alice-teacher Alice 2 or 3?

[Rikki Fletcher]

I feel that what is important is your goal.
I teach a course to college freshmen using 2.2
My goal is for students to learn all the programming concepts without any
syntax.  Secondarily, I want an engaging class where everyone can succeed.
Some students do go on to take "real" programming courses - but that is a
bonus for me.
  If your goal is java programming, then ver 3 might be the better choice.

my 2 cents.

> I have a similar question, but almost in reverse. We are using the
> original textbook that goes with Alice 2. We have already set up our
> computer labs for the upcoming school year (starting in 2 weeks) with
> Alice 2.2.
> Although we did have some troubles with Alice 2.2 last year, I had planned
> to continue with it for me upcoming students are low high school students,
> who have never done any programming, and I wanted to just introduce them
> to programming and do some very basic projects.
> Do you think it is OK for me to continue with 2.2 and the textbooks, or
> should I really switch to 3 and use on-line lessons and assignments
> instead of using the textbook?
> Suggestions and recommendations are appreciated!
>
>
>
> Laurie Cohen
> Technology Coordinator/Business Instructor
> Yeshiva of Greater Washington
> Silver Spring, Maryland LCohen at yeshiva.edu
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frederick, Kevin <K.Frederick at ais.at>
> To: alice-teachers <alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 2:32 pm
> Subject: alice-teacher Alice 2 or 3?
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> Relative newbie to Alice here. My question is: how different is Alice 2
> from Alice 3, on the surface, for the beginning student? Would Alice 3 be
> okay to start with, especially for new students in conjunction with the
> Dann/Cooper/Pausch text?
>
> Setting: I am teaching an intro to java programming course in high school.
> Most students have done no substantive programming. Some have played with
> flash. They are expecting to get into Java by the end of the course, and
> the course can be open-ended. My current idea is Alice -> Greenfoot ->
> wherever the individual students/groups want to go.
>
> To restate my question: Given my setting, should I start with Alice 2 or
> Alice 3 or maybe Alice 2 then Alice 3?
>
> All feedback, thoughts, and redirections are appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Frederick
> High School Mathematics
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