[SCA-Dance] SCAd-Dance Delving into the Trihory

[Alexander Clark]

But there are examples of dances whose steps are taken from one rhythm
into another. In period we have things like the saltarello to
quadernaria music, and in more recent dances (with more detailed
information) we have, for example, the valse a deux temps (two-step)
in even time, and the tango waltz in 3/4. So I can't see Arbeau's
uneven rhythm as an impediment to a relationship between these dances.

-- 
Henry/Alex

On 2/14/13, Josef Berger <harpolekare at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, that's true. Guilcher did not even discuss this discrepancy, he simply
> added an eighth beat to the triory to make it fit his theory.
>
> The seven beats in Arbeau's tune notation versus the eight beats in Breton
> folk gavottes might indeed bring Guilcher's theory to fall.
>
> But it is an interesting comparison, worth to think of.
>
> BTW, I remember even some Breton dance teacher who counted to seven, not to
> eight, when teaching the Breton gavotte, because the left foot rests in the
> air on the eighth beat, as a prolongation of the seventh, preparing for the
> first beat again. In fact he was counting the steps, not the beats.
>
> J.
>
> 2013/2/14 Mikuláš <migulas at gmail.com>
>
>> Although that's a tempting theory, I always had a feeling that Triory
>> is in seven beats, not in eight, as all the breton gavottes.
>> Any thoughts on that?
>>
>> Mikuláš
>>
>> On 13 February 2013 18:09, harpeur <harpolekare at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Jean-Michel Guilcher compared the Trihory with a lot of Breton folk
>> dances and came to the conclusion that it is very closely related to the
>> Dañs tro".
>> >
>> > Reference:
>> > Jean-Michel Guilcher (1963): La tradition populaire de danse en
>> Basse-Bretagne, Paris, École pratique des Hautes Études [latest edition:
>> Spézet, Coop Breiz, 2007], page 291 f.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, the original Breton name "Dañs tro" has been largely
>> replaced during 20th century by the French name "gavotte" which was
>> subsequently bretonised into "gavotenn".
>> > Don't confuse it with the renaissance gavotte in Arbeau which is a
>> different dance.
>> > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%C3%B1s_tro
>> >
>> >
>> > Guilcher's theory goes as follows:
>> > The Trihori de Bretagne has three movements with heel in the air (hausse
>> talon) with R-L-R on beats 6-and-7:
>> >
>> > 1 2 3 4  5  6&7 8
>> > L R L R L+R RLR__
>> >
>> > the Breton "Dañs tro" collected in Calanhel has three movements with
>> heel in the air on beats 5-and-6:
>> >
>> > 1 2 3 4 5&6 7 8
>> > L R L R LRL R__
>> >
>> > the Breton "Dañs tro" collected in Maël-Carhaix has three movements with
>> heel in the air on beats 4-and-5:
>> >
>> > 1 2 3 4&5 6 7 8
>> > L R L RLR L R__
>> >
>> > the Breton "Dañs tro" collected at Quimper has three movements with heel
>> in the air on beats 3-and-4:
>> >
>> > 1 2 3et4 5 6 7 8
>> > L R LRL  R L R__
>> > and you will find this same step sequence in the "Dañs tro" from the
>> mountains, which has conquered all festoù-noz (Breton folk dance nights)
>> by
>> the name "gavotte de montagne" during the 20th century and is nowadays
>> known even outside Brittany.
>> >
>> > J.
>> >
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