[SCA-Dance] Not a Known World Dance Seminar?

Craig Shupee' philipwhite at hotmail.com
Wed Jun 24 21:07:40 EDT 2009

Howdy All,
I showed up in IL wanting to do the next KWDMS and started talking to people about hosting it. At the same time folks from Boston were also talking about doing it.
They proposed combining it with the Early Music Festival and had a more focused plan so I deferred to them.
So, at Boston I showed up wanting to the next KWDMS and talked to more people. And everyone said go for it. So we did it in Texas two years later. I think even at that time Del was talking about holding it in Australia. 
It'll be fun in Canada to see who wants to do it next time. Just who ever wants to do it needs to get an "official" bid in asap.

> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:31:42 -0400
> From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com
> To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Not a Known World Dance Seminar?
> I do otherwise have my doubts that SCA Inc would turn down a completed KW
> event proposal, as long as it is a Long ways ahead of time, and if the
> budget seems solid.
> In our case, things were running late, and part of that was just at the
> Kingdom politics level.
> Although there is always the fear that we might get turned down for the
> nature of the event, because I found that I did have to do some convincing
> for people to believe that our proposal was reasonable.  (especially when
> you can potentially do Pennsic for a similar price.  But KWDS just doesn't
> tend to be a Camping event).
> I think our current arrangement of trying to make an internal decision first
> is good, so we don't lose lots of time on competing bids, and then beyond
> that we just have to get it passed really early, and I would hope that there
> wouldn't be any further problems.  (not that I am opposed to some sort of
> reforms to the system potentially, but I do believe that we can work within
> it alright if we must).  (Oh, and as long as our internal system doesn't
> break down.  That could be quite a mess.)  :)
> You just have to hope that you don't have too many setbacks, because when we
> were too late, they were basically saying "you can run it in 2010/2011",
> which at that point really wasn't an option.  (they didn't understand that
> we had to do it, otherwise it wasn't going to happen.  And also that another
> group would be wanting to run it in 2011, and that this was our only
> chance).
> By the way, just to bring it up here briefly, in regards to the "Galliard
> competition", which I am pretty sure was solely invented to embarrass me,
> and just looking at our system in general for the few KWDSes beforehand,  I
> just figured that I should explicitly state that it seems that more likely
> people in the SCA Dance community had just put for a reasonable desire to
> want to run KWDS, and we all agreed to it.
> This is as opposed to it being purely a show of skill of dance.  (not that
> this isn't a fun tradition, and one we are planning to keep for the Sunday
> Ball at our event!)
> I believe that Philip White,  and Del, both basically just expressed that
> they wanted to run the event,  and thus everyone agreed.
> When it came to Trahaearn, and our team, although we did have a competition
> (which he was likely to win regardless),  I also had somewhat made a
> judgement call at that point that it seemed that Trahaearn had a bit better
> support for the bid in his area, and that it would make sense for his group
> to run it.  In retrospect, some aspects might have worked better the other
> way, but those were things we couldn't predict for 4 years ago.
> So I just wanted to put that out there, to state that it is somewhat of an
> informal system, but a reasonable one.  I'm not certain that this will
> exactly be what it will be this year  (maybe it will be based purely on
> Galliard or other dance skill), but if we can all cooperate, then things
> should work out.
> Oh, and I suppose that this is another reason for having a "learned council
> of dancers" or something like this, just to assist a bit / guide a group in
> running this event.
> Ok, you've probably heard too much from me.  Can you tell that I'm eager to
> even help the Next KWDS, after everything I learned at this one?  :)  Maybe
> I'm a glutton for punishment.  I just love what our community achieves, and
> want to see it succeed.
> Darius
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