[SCA-Dance] Sca-dance Digest, Vol 28, Issue 11
Niki
janeeve2001 at yahoo.com
Sun Feb 10 13:09:16 EST 2008
> While some of the dances are out of period I enjoy doing them anyway.
> Isn't that why we play this game? To have fun.
I enjoy waltzing. Shouldn't we waltz in the SCA? We would have fun.
I enjoy riding my Segway around town. Shouldn't we ride Segways
in the SCA? It would be fun!
I enjoy eating waffles...
While not all of the ECD OOP dances we do in the SCA are perfectly true to period, several of them have roots in the 16th century. For example: Sellengers Round, Hearts Ease, and Trenchmore to name a few. If they can be traced back, I don't see why they shouldn't be done.
I also agree with the sentiment that the SCA is the only place we can dance those dances with those particular people. So, maybe the answer isn't to cut them out all together, but to have a specific time/place for them. A strictly period Elizabethan event, for example, wouldn't be the place for Hole in the Wall. However, perhaps Trenchmore would be an acceptable replacement.
Lady Jane Milford
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Today's Topics:
1. Playing in the SCA is fun! (Renee)
2. Re: Sca-dance Digest, Vol 28, Issue 7 (Michael Bergman)
3. Re: Playing in the SCA is fun! (Renee)
4. Re: Sca-dance Digest, Vol 28, Issue 7 (Michael Bergman)
5. Re: Somethign to pass on to SCAdance (flip+ at andrew.cmu.edu)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:02:44 -0800
From: Renee
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Playing in the SCA is fun!
To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
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> While some of the dances are out of period I enjoy doing them anyway.
> Isn't that why we play this game? To have fun.
I enjoy waltzing. Shouldn't we waltz in the SCA? We would have fun.
I enjoy riding my Segway around town. Shouldn't we ride Segways
in the SCA? It would be fun!
I enjoy eating waffles...
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Dance like it hurts,
Love like you need money,
Work when people are watching.
- Scott Adams
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 14:17:31 -0500
From: Michael Bergman
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Sca-dance Digest, Vol 28, Issue 7
To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
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I think the issue isn't "Why do we play this game?" but "_HOW_ do we
play this game?" What are the rules of the game; how do we
distinguish this game from everything else we do?
One of the sources of problems is that some of the folks who play
this game don't do any other dancing or any other re-enacting. So,
once they have been introduced to a fun, relatively modern, dance,
they want to hold onto it, since they can't do that dance anywhere
else.
Another aspect is that they have friends in this game, and can't do
that dance WITH THESE FRIENDS anywhere else. I suffer from that a
bit myself; I can dance Hole in the Wall at modern ECD dances, but a)
I would have to suffer through a lot of MORE modern dances that I
DON'T like, and b) "they don't do it the same way..."
Nonetheless, as I have learned more about dance history, I have
learned to eschew (ooh! Got to use that in a sentence!) the dances
that I was originally taught in the SCA in favor of more appropriate
dances.
Them are my two cents.
--Harald Longfellow
At 10:35 PM -0600 2/8/08, John-Michael Robinson wrote:
>While some of the dances are out of period I enjoy doing them anyway. Isn't
>that why we play this game? To have fun.
>Mychael le Renard
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:15:54 -0800
From: Renee
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Playing in the SCA is fun!
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> > While some of the dances are out of period I enjoy doing them anyway.
> > Isn't that why we play this game? To have fun.
>
On Saturday, Feb 09, Renee declaimed:
>
> I enjoy eating waffles...
>
/ Sarcasm is the first refuge of the inarticulate. /
I have been dancing for only 2 years, therefore I have not faced the
loss of a favorite SCA dance. But I do empathize. Our teacher
recently taught (Lauro?) with different step reconstructions. This
did not feel right! I had invested so much time learning the other
steps! I am good at them! I felt a loss. A loss on my investment.
It was hard to dance differently. It was, initially, less fun.
I can understand not wanting to give up dances you already know.
Dance choreographies don't come easily to me. It takes time to
learn them. And they're fun.
Over the years, many people have expended much effort to reconstruct
steps, dances, and music. We now have a large collection of dances
that are their best approximations of actual period dances. And
every time we dance a GOOP, we don't dance one of these wonderful
reconstructions, on which our friends worked so hard.
It's hard to sacrifice an investment.
But if we dance OOP dances, we sacrifice THEIR investment.
Awww.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:43:32 -0500
From: Michael Bergman
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Sca-dance Digest, Vol 28, Issue 7
To: "John-Michael Robinson"
Cc: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
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I think the issue isn't "Why do we play this game?" but "_HOW_ do we
play this game?" What are the rules of the game; how do we
distinguish this game from everything else we do?
One of the sources of problems is that some of the folks who play
this game don't do any other dancing or any other re-enacting. So,
once they have been introduced to a fun, relatively modern, dance,
they want to hold onto it, since they can't do that dance anywhere
else.
Another aspect is that they have friends in this game, and can't do
that dance WITH THESE FRIENDS anywhere else. I suffer from that a
bit myself; I can dance Hole in the Wall at modern ECD dances, but a)
I would have to suffer through a lot of MORE modern dances that I
DON'T like, and b) "they don't do it the same way..."
Nonetheless, as I have learned more about dance history, I have
learned to eschew (ooh! Got to use that in a sentence!) the dances
that I was originally taught in the SCA in favor of more appropriate
dances.
Them are my two cents.
--Harald Longfellow
At 10:35 PM -0600 2/8/08, John-Michael Robinson wrote:
>While some of the dances are out of period I enjoy doing them anyway. Isn't
>that why we play this game? To have fun.
>Mychael le Renard
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:56:03 -0500
From: flip+ at andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Somethign to pass on to SCAdance
To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
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Hi folks!
Great news from the mid passed on at Sion's request:
>Could you please let people know that this evening Their
>Mediterranean Majesties set Alina of Foxwood to sit her vigil
>persuant to her elevation to the Order of the Laurel.
Woo!
--
Filip
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