[SCA-Dance] Early tudor dance

Peter Durham (Trahaearn ap Ieuan) trahaearn at live.com
Sun Apr 27 20:00:32 EDT 2008


Janelyn and I came across this while writing our Old Measures pamphlet, but did not explore putting together a reconstruction at the time (and then we forgot to go back later and look closer!). Here's what we said in our endnote 1:

There is one additional source that should be mentioned, although we do not discuss it in detail here. The Lincoln’s Inn Moot Book, Cambridge University Library MS Ll.1.11, c. 1485-1547 contains this description: "The howe of the howse. [a 17th century hand adds the note: "or the old meas[ure]"] Fyrst half turn and undo yt agayn, flower, iij forth, the fyrst man and the second folowe, flower and roll into other placys, hole turn, flower, and then roll into other placys." (Transcribed in J.H. Baker, The Legal Profession and the Common Law, 1986.) This dance has some similarities to those found in MS Derbyshire Record Office, D77 box 38, pp. 51-79. (transcribed in Fallows, David, "The Gresley Dance Collection, c. 1500." Research Chronicle, 29, 1996. Pages 1-20.)

For folks interested in pursuing the immediate references further, note that both citations are from J.H.Baker, but from two different works (one from 1986, the other from 1996). Doing a quick search in our local library catalogs finds the following:


1986 book, "The Legal Profession and the Common Law"

The legal profession and the common law : historical essays
by John Hamilton Baker
Type:  Book; English 
Publisher: London : Hambledon, 1986. 
Editions: 2 Editions  
ISBN: 0907628621 ; 9780907628620 
OCLC: 185802539 
Related Subjects: Law -- History and criticism -- England. | law. | Rättshistoria. England.  

This book is in a couple of law school libraries in Seattle, and five other partner libraries in the Northwest, and 308 libraries in Worldcat.

1996 book, "A catalogue of English Legal Manuscripts in Cambridge University library"
A catalogue of English legal manuscripts in Cambridge University Library
by John Hamilton Baker;  J S Ringrose;  Cambridge University Library.
Type:  Book; English 
Publisher: Woodbridge, Suffolk ; Rochester, NY : Boydell Press, 1996. 
Editions: 2 Editions  
ISBN: 0851153763 9780851153766 
OCLC: 31434264 
Related Subjects: Law -- England -- Sources -- Bibliography -- Catalogs. | Law -- England -- Manuscripts -- Catalogs. | Cambridge University Library -- Catalogs. | More Subjects ...  

This book is in the UW general library in Seattle, and 103 other libraries in Worldcat.

Caitlin, looks like the University of Edinburgh library doesn’t have a copy of the 1996 book, but they do have a copy of the 1986 book but it is checked out (due back in on May 13 - is this you?)
BTW, while searching for other citations, I just discovered that someone has translated our Old Measures pamphlet into Russian: http://historicaldance.spb.ru/index/articles/general/aid/40 which is pretty cool!

- Trahaearn

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Subject: [SCA-Dance] Early tudor dance

Anyone else come across this? Not obvious how to reconstruct it but 
fascinating resemblance to the Gresley descriptions.

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