[SCA-BMDL] Salve Accolens! A Motto for the Debatable Lands

Fri Nov 15 23:39:43 EST 2019

My intent was to point out that this is a decision that should have been
made with input of the populace being involved. It upsets me that somehow
my comments were a personal attack against someone instead of the actual
intent, to get input from the populace.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ruth Morrisson via Sca-bmdl <
sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Greetings again!
> Not being particularly fluent in anything but the vulgar tongue, I turned
> to the next best thing: Google Translate. ;-). It didn’t particularly like
> “salve accolens” but did show “accolens” as a Latin form of “neighbors.”
>  It did seem to like “adcolens”, however.  And when I swapped directions
> for the translation, it gave, as the Latin for “Hello neighbors” as “salve
> finitimi”.
>
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2019, at 11:07 PM, Ruth Morrisson via Sca-bmdl <
> sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
> Greetings from Myfanwy!
> I’m in complete agreement with Her Excellency Gwendolyn.
> Remember — the SCA does not register full achievements of arms, mottoes,
> and the like.  I’m perfectly good with our Baroness suggesting a motto and
> letting it be up to the populace to use it or not.  For anyone to suggest
> otherwise is discourteous, and completely against everything that the SCA
> strives for as an ideal.
>
> On Nov 15, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Gwenly Grace <gwenlygrace at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I categorically disagree that the announcement represented a policy
> decision. Furthermore, the announcement was clearly invitational in
> terminology: "we hope you will join us," etc. To suggest that it was
> imperious is, to put it mildly, unkind.
>
> As a corollary, I don't recall anyone in the populace being consulted or
> asked to vote about "Ad gloriam AEthelmearc" (or the original and incorrect
> "In Glorias" version)--it was decided by a sitting royal and it was the
> task of that royalty to exhort the populace to follow. We did in fact force
> a modification, but we could, collectively, have decided "Nope, not doing
> that."
>
> Similarly, if someone writes a song for the barony or the kingdom, it's
> not a requirement that the populace adopt it. To me a motto falls in the
> same category, and is well within the purview of the Baron and Baroness.
>
> I have no objection to soliciting suggestions, or asking for a vote, but I
> believe the original motto is fitting, and was chosen with only good
> intention. But vote or no vote, let's be clear that nothing about this
> appears to be a violation of policy.
>
> Ever in service,
>
> Gwendolyn the Graceful, Brehyres, OL
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:29 PM Shawn MacIntyre <medicmacintyre at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> However, you seem to have already made a decision on your own without
>> discussing it at a meeting, your "announcement" was making a policy without
>> discussion. It was not pointed out as "Optional" until someone questioned
>> the announcement.
>>
>> Baronial Policy Section I Subsection B,
>>
>>   B. Baronial policies may be created or changed by the Officers.
>> Proposed additions or changes to Baronial policies must appear on the
>> agenda of the Officers' meeting at which they are ratified. In this
>> circumstance the proposed changes shall be and the agenda shall be
>> announced to the populace on the Baronial email list at least 48 hours
>> before the meeting.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:23 PM Krista Cogan <krista.cogan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What an excellent idea! See what we can accomplish together? I wish I
>>> would have thought of it myself! Thank you!
>>>
>>> See, here is the beauty of game side stuff - it's flexy!
>>>
>>> ~Bns. Hilda
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:00 PM Shawn MacIntyre <
>>> medicmacintyre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While the idea of a "Motto" for the Barony may be a great idea, I have
>>>> an issue with this not being brought up for public discussion and chosen by
>>>> the few, Who had input in the process? I have attended all the business
>>>> meetings because they are held at my church. I think a better idea would be
>>>> to get input from all the members of the barony, perhaps have a contest to
>>>> choose a motto rather than singularly making a decision on behalf of the
>>>> populace. While there is a "Game Side" and a" Business Side" to the SCA, a
>>>> motto is something that the populace as a whole should decide. While you
>>>> point out that the motto is about Love and Acceptance, it lacks the input
>>>> of the many, which is the opposite of acceptance. The Hael and Thescorre's
>>>> motto have meaning to the populace because they represent something special
>>>> that the populace can get behind. Picking a motto is more like making a
>>>> campaign saying, while your backers may get behind it, without a reason to
>>>> stand by it, it is a saying, not a motto.
>>>>
>>>> Maighstir Liam
>>>> 7th Baron of the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands (Retired)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 4:35 PM Stórfréttir Updates <
>>>> admin at debatablelands.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is new Baronial News at the Stórfréttir!
>>>>>
>>>>> Salve Accolens! A Motto for the Debatable Lands
>>>>> Posted by: Hilderun Hugelman
>>>>>
>>>>> Note to those reading from the email list, click on the link below to
>>>>> see a formatted version with live links at the blog website. On this, the
>>>>> eve of our third Debatable Lands Equestrian Championship (details, and
>>>>> schedule), we'd like to introduce to you our new Baronial motto! SALVE
>>>>> ACCOLENS! What does it mean? HELLO NEIGHBORS! It is the week of World
>>>>> Kindness Day, embodied by the greatest modern champion of kindness and
>>>>> courtesy, especially toward oneself and their neighbors: Mr. Fred Rogers.
>>>>> The Debatable Lands is his home Barony, and we hope that all our people
>>>>> will strive toward these ideals: kindness, courtesy, generous and open
>>>>> hearts, mindfulness to feelings, and to be helping and loving and
>>>>> welcoming. All these, we feel, are encompassed by "Hello Neighbors" -
>>>>> "Salve Accolens". We hope to enact these these ideals in word and deed, and
>>>>> hope you all will join us. We are ALL each others' neighbors. SALVE
>>>>> ACCOLENS! Please use this new Baronial motto with gusto and verity. (Also,
>>>>> it's Latin, so you can say it the other way: ACCOLENS SALVE!) See you at
>>>>> Baronial Equestrian Champs tomorrow! In Levitate et Caritate, and
>>>>> Cheers,Baron Brandubh and Baroness Hilda "Listening is where love begins:
>>>>> listening to ourselves and then to our neighbors." -Fred Rogers
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>>
>>>>> To see or comment on this post on the Stórfréttir, click here:
>>>>> http://debatablelands.org/blog/?p=4056.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Sca-bmdl mailing list
>>>>> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
>>>>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Shawn MacIntyre
>>>> EMT/ FFII/ FI-I
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sca-bmdl mailing list
>>>> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
>>>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sca-bmdl mailing list
>>> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
>>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shawn MacIntyre
>> EMT/ FFII/ FI-I
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sca-bmdl mailing list
>> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sca-bmdl mailing list
> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>
>
>
>
> Maistres Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
> Ruth Morrisson
> MaistresMyfanwy at icloud.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sca-bmdl mailing list
> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>
>
>
>
> Maistres Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
> Ruth Morrisson
> MaistresMyfanwy at icloud.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sca-bmdl mailing list
> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>

-- 
Shawn MacIntyre
EMT/ FFII/ FI-I
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/sca-bmdl/attachments/20191115/06931a16/attachment.html>