[SCA-Dance] Misc. questions from KWDS

[David Learmonth]

Oh, and for the Terp Book, I didn't update it to say "Line or Circle"
everywhere for the branles.  While aiming to get the steps and timing
correct (within limits of the short notes of the book), we also had some
objective when it came to how SCA commonly danced them.  But yes, I believe
most of them are good in a circle or line.

And I don't think any of them discuss partner switching (well, Hay branle
changes line order, as does Montarde, but that is different).  I've
personally only seen it in Horse's, and Official, I think.  (I don't have
arbeau and my notes in front of me right now to review.  I know it is
online, but I can't look right now.)

Words are great though to sing to yourself.  Arbeau discusses how they are
a memory exercise.

Darius



On 26 April 2015 at 17:04, Beth <bgdeonna at hotmail.com> wrote:

> As one of those that taught branles at KWDMS  I specifically taught the
> from the  Arbeau and, while I mentioned that there were some regional
> variations I did not teach them.  We did not change partners and I
> mentioned that Arbeau says the  branles can be done as open lines or closed
> circles.
>
> I also have mentioned that learning the words helps a lot.
> YIS
> Deonna
>
>
>
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> I have some questions from KWDS, and realized I could ask the list.
> (And thereby ask Perronnelle, whom I was originally going to bother.)
>
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>
> Countess Judith de Northumbria (Rachel Lorenz)
> Reconsidering the lilly: Gelosia, Amoroso and Belfiore
>
> She cited Smith, A. William, _15th Century Dance and Music_, as the
> source for the Amoroso version she taught.  She called that version
> the "New York Public Library" version.  Is there any more information
> on that particular source, or is it just a weird catalog number?
> I'm idly curious about this bit.
>
> As best I wrote it, the manuscript says that the piva is "a double
> that is altered and accelerated by the music that stimulates the
> dancer to it".  Is this the only definition of piva, or are there
> similar ones from other sources?
>
> Is Amoroso's tempo quaternaria?
>
> Do I remember right, that she said that the manuals talk about one
> person "leading", and there are pictures of people approximately in
> file?  Is side-by-side also attested in pictures?
>
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>
> Bransles
>
> I'm guessing that the versions I saw there are pretty much the
> originals, and I've been dancing SCA alterations that make them
> non-period (perhaps far from it)?
>
> ---
>
> Pease Bransle: about the only version I've seen is as in
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Pease_Bransle.html
> "In the SCA, this dance is often danced as a partner-switching dance,
> with the women going past their partners in measures 15-16 to the next
> man in the circle. Arbeau mentions nothing of this practice."
>
> ---
>
> Horse's Bransle:
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Horses_Bransle.html describes what
> I've danced: line of men facing line of women, men progess one place.
> He says "As usual, Arbeau says nothing about switching partners.  In
> fact, the instructions for this dance are very hard to interpret;
> there are other interpretations which are actually radically different
> from this one.  They generally start by having the couples standing
> beside each other, with both hands joined in promenade hold.  The
> couple doubles to their left and right four times, and then the men
> paw and move off to the left, followed by the women.  The only
> difference is the starting position, but the dance ends up being quite
> different.  I believe this is the only dance in Arbeau which has the
> couples holding both hands."
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~grayn1/Horses.html
> says Arbeau says "... the young man held the damsel by both hands.".
>
> But I think the version I saw at KWDS was a ring dance, all facing in?
>
> (I did run across the remarkably silly "Australian rules"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu0OQ3MXzsg .  Hi, Elaine!
> And Jamie?  Check out the end, when they went into cascarde moves.)
>
> ---
>
> Hay Bransle: I'm going to be handicapped by never having danced this
>
> YouTube videos showed two different tempos, but
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Bransle_Hay.html says 8 "sets" for
> the A and B section, where a "set" is single-single-double.  (When
> calling, I tend to call "pavane" for that sequence to save time,
> regardless of how fast it is.  Would "corante" be a better term?)
>
> http://ieee.uwaterloo.ca/praetzel/mp3-cd/cecil_2/hay_br.mp3 is off
> Saint Cecilia 2.  How many people does the hay section accomodate in
> this rendition?  I count 24 beats.
>
> Denyel de Lyncoln
> --
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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