[SCA-Dance] Misc. questions from KWDS

David Learmonth david.a.learmonth at gmail.com
Sun Apr 26 09:46:30 EDT 2015

Hi.  I've just got a second with email right this moment, but I just wanted
to say that I put a lot of effort into getting the current edition of the
Terp book up to date with the entire Bransles section, if that helps.


Link to the PDF file of edition 21 at the bottom of the page.

Of course this is as best I could within the cheat note format of the terp
book.  But I think it is a pretty good representation.

The youtube channel is mine.  I plan to eventually make recordings of all
of the bransles.  :)


On 26 April 2015 at 02:40, <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> I have some questions from KWDS, and realized I could ask the list.
> (And thereby ask Perronnelle, whom I was originally going to bother.)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Countess Judith de Northumbria (Rachel Lorenz)
> Reconsidering the lilly: Gelosia, Amoroso and Belfiore
> She cited Smith, A. William, _15th Century Dance and Music_, as the
> source for the Amoroso version she taught.  She called that version
> the "New York Public Library" version.  Is there any more information
> on that particular source, or is it just a weird catalog number?
> I'm idly curious about this bit.
> As best I wrote it, the manuscript says that the piva is "a double
> that is altered and accelerated by the music that stimulates the
> dancer to it".  Is this the only definition of piva, or are there
> similar ones from other sources?
> Is Amoroso's tempo quaternaria?
> Do I remember right, that she said that the manuals talk about one
> person "leading", and there are pictures of people approximately in
> file?  Is side-by-side also attested in pictures?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Bransles
> I'm guessing that the versions I saw there are pretty much the
> originals, and I've been dancing SCA alterations that make them
> non-period (perhaps far from it)?
> ---
> Pease Bransle: about the only version I've seen is as in
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Pease_Bransle.html
> "In the SCA, this dance is often danced as a partner-switching dance,
> with the women going past their partners in measures 15-16 to the next
> man in the circle. Arbeau mentions nothing of this practice."
> ---
> Horse's Bransle:
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Horses_Bransle.html describes what
> I've danced: line of men facing line of women, men progess one place.
> He says "As usual, Arbeau says nothing about switching partners.  In
> fact, the instructions for this dance are very hard to interpret;
> there are other interpretations which are actually radically different
> from this one.  They generally start by having the couples standing
> beside each other, with both hands joined in promenade hold.  The
> couple doubles to their left and right four times, and then the men
> paw and move off to the left, followed by the women.  The only
> difference is the starting position, but the dance ends up being quite
> different.  I believe this is the only dance in Arbeau which has the
> couples holding both hands."
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~grayn1/Horses.html
> says Arbeau says "... the young man held the damsel by both hands.".
> But I think the version I saw at KWDS was a ring dance, all facing in?
> (I did run across the remarkably silly "Australian rules"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu0OQ3MXzsg .  Hi, Elaine!
> And Jamie?  Check out the end, when they went into cascarde moves.)
> ---
> Hay Bransle: I'm going to be handicapped by never having danced this
> YouTube videos showed two different tempos, but
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Bransle_Hay.html says 8 "sets" for
> the A and B section, where a "set" is single-single-double.  (When
> calling, I tend to call "pavane" for that sequence to save time,
> regardless of how fast it is.  Would "corante" be a better term?)
> http://ieee.uwaterloo.ca/praetzel/mp3-cd/cecil_2/hay_br.mp3 is off
> Saint Cecilia 2.  How many people does the hay section accomodate in
> this rendition?  I count 24 beats.
> Denyel de Lyncoln
> --
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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