[SCA-Dance] Misc. questions from KWDS

[David Learmonth]

Hi.  I've just got a second with email right this moment, but I just wanted
to say that I put a lot of effort into getting the current edition of the
Terp book up to date with the entire Bransles section, if that helps.

http://www.cynnabar.org/eurodance

Link to the PDF file of edition 21 at the bottom of the page.

Of course this is as best I could within the cheat note format of the terp
book.  But I think it is a pretty good representation.

The youtube channel is mine.  I plan to eventually make recordings of all
of the bransles.  :)

Darius




On 26 April 2015 at 02:40, <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> I have some questions from KWDS, and realized I could ask the list.
> (And thereby ask Perronnelle, whom I was originally going to bother.)
>
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>
> Countess Judith de Northumbria (Rachel Lorenz)
> Reconsidering the lilly: Gelosia, Amoroso and Belfiore
>
> She cited Smith, A. William, _15th Century Dance and Music_, as the
> source for the Amoroso version she taught.  She called that version
> the "New York Public Library" version.  Is there any more information
> on that particular source, or is it just a weird catalog number?
> I'm idly curious about this bit.
>
> As best I wrote it, the manuscript says that the piva is "a double
> that is altered and accelerated by the music that stimulates the
> dancer to it".  Is this the only definition of piva, or are there
> similar ones from other sources?
>
> Is Amoroso's tempo quaternaria?
>
> Do I remember right, that she said that the manuals talk about one
> person "leading", and there are pictures of people approximately in
> file?  Is side-by-side also attested in pictures?
>
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>
> Bransles
>
> I'm guessing that the versions I saw there are pretty much the
> originals, and I've been dancing SCA alterations that make them
> non-period (perhaps far from it)?
>
> ---
>
> Pease Bransle: about the only version I've seen is as in
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Pease_Bransle.html
> "In the SCA, this dance is often danced as a partner-switching dance,
> with the women going past their partners in measures 15-16 to the next
> man in the circle. Arbeau mentions nothing of this practice."
>
> ---
>
> Horse's Bransle:
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Horses_Bransle.html describes what
> I've danced: line of men facing line of women, men progess one place.
> He says "As usual, Arbeau says nothing about switching partners.  In
> fact, the instructions for this dance are very hard to interpret;
> there are other interpretations which are actually radically different
> from this one.  They generally start by having the couples standing
> beside each other, with both hands joined in promenade hold.  The
> couple doubles to their left and right four times, and then the men
> paw and move off to the left, followed by the women.  The only
> difference is the starting position, but the dance ends up being quite
> different.  I believe this is the only dance in Arbeau which has the
> couples holding both hands."
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~grayn1/Horses.html
> says Arbeau says "... the young man held the damsel by both hands.".
>
> But I think the version I saw at KWDS was a ring dance, all facing in?
>
> (I did run across the remarkably silly "Australian rules"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu0OQ3MXzsg .  Hi, Elaine!
> And Jamie?  Check out the end, when they went into cascarde moves.)
>
> ---
>
> Hay Bransle: I'm going to be handicapped by never having danced this
>
> YouTube videos showed two different tempos, but
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/dance/Bransle_Hay.html says 8 "sets" for
> the A and B section, where a "set" is single-single-double.  (When
> calling, I tend to call "pavane" for that sequence to save time,
> regardless of how fast it is.  Would "corante" be a better term?)
>
> http://ieee.uwaterloo.ca/praetzel/mp3-cd/cecil_2/hay_br.mp3 is off
> Saint Cecilia 2.  How many people does the hay section accomodate in
> this rendition?  I count 24 beats.
>
> Denyel de Lyncoln
> --
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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