[SCA-Dance] SCA Created Dances

[Monica Hultin]

I think you may be right on that.  I believe the Hole in the Wall is meant
to be danced with a Baroque Minuet step, which doesn't travel as much as the
travelling waltz step commonly used in ECD.  Since most people don't know
the minuet step in either SCA or ECD, (besides being hard on our unpractised
calves) this leads to covering ground too quickly.  So being creative,
dancers have come up with their own logical and lovely ways of filling in
the time.

My experience also is that the palming is an SCA thing, our ECD group comes
face to face with corner then backs into the opposites place.

Monika



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My own theory on the bowing and scraping in Hole in the Wall as was danced
in the SCA: I think it was incorporated to use up time in the music. We
sometimes dance it in our non-SCA English Country group (with Regency
leanings :)  ) and people seem to have a lot of trouble keeping the dance
under control. They either want to dance it in 4, or they dance it in 6 but
are ahead.

Peregrine

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From: Mary Railing <mrailing2 at yahoo.com>
To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] SCA Created Dances
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:45:58 -0700 (PDT)
....

I get the impression that the bowing and scraping in Hole in the Wall is
actually the fault of Regency fandom.  The palming appears to be an SCA
thing.  I can remember when we didn't do it in this dance.  Try asking old
Carolingians.  I suspect it is due to Patri that Hole in the Wall is an SCA
tradition.

--Urraca



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From: Michael Bergman <eclectic at mit.edu>
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Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 11:14:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] SCA Created Dances

I haven't seen anyone mention Hole in the Wall.  The SCA choreography
is actually a bit different than modern ECD, with the excessive bowing
and scraping, palming, early 17th century steps, and if you add in
sharking (or kidnapping, as it was called when I learned it), it all
adds up to a related, but different, dance than the one modern ECD
folks do.

Also, Troika, which I don't believe has any folk dance roots.  I think
it was just made up from period iconography mixed with sheer
ignorance.

I don't know if it was performed more than once, but there's the
Guillaume Jehan Pavanne, which a bunch of Marklanders inflicted on
innocent SCAdians at Pennsic some 20+ years ago.

Similarly, but more recently, the Brandle de Poule
(http://www.kickery.com/2010/04/branle-de-la-poule.html).

--Harald Longfellow
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