[SCA-Dance] pennsicdance: Payments - another quick followup

Troy Daniels xcvii at alum.mit.edu
Fri May 15 16:29:02 EDT 2009 

Also, Kunegunde just tried to actually go to a post office, and they would
only give her a money order in US dollars.

Udalrich

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Troy Daniels <xcvii at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Interational money orders won't work.  If you look at
> http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/immc3_024.htm#ep240954 (one link away form the
> usps link below), you find this text, which states that they'll only issue a
> money order in US currency. Well, possibly they'll issue it in Canadian
> dollars if it's payable in Mexico, but that's not going to help.
> Udalrich
> (Sorry about the bold text.  Gmail won't let me unbold it.  I'm not trying
> to shout.)
>
> 371.4 Processing Requirements 371.41 Form Required — International Postal
> Money Order (Form MP1)
>
> Use the pink International Postal Money Order (Form MP1) for money orders payable
> to the countries listed in Exhibit 371.2<http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/immc3_024.htm#ep290080>.
> Follow the issuance procedures in DMM 503.14.
>
> Note: For money orders payable in Canada the amount of the money order
> must be expressed in U.S. currency only. Issuing clerks must use the money
> order imprinter in the usual manner printing the amount received in U.S.
> currency.
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:50 PM, David Learmonth <
> david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi.  Just something someone mentioned to me just now, so just in case,
>> here
>> is some more info on requirements from the Canadian side for the US money
>> orders:
>>
>> "I am not sure if you are aware, but there are two variations of  USPS
>> (United States Postal Service) Money orders..
>>
>> There is the standard domestic order (green) and the international order
>> (pink).. you'll need people to send you the pink kind, otherwise you will
>> be
>> unable to cash them. My store sold a lot of stuff on ebay, even when you
>> specify this people still get the domestic..."
>>
>>
>> Geez.  Who knew there would be so many complications.
>>
>> Otherwise, please let me know if you want to come, but are expecting
>> issues
>> trying to pay due to these factors, and we'll see what we can do.  Oh, and
>> alternatively, if you are near the Canadian border, you could drive across
>> to a post office, and buy a Canadian money order here.  It isn't
>> expensive.
>> Here is a link:
>>
>> http://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/personal/ratesprices/shop/moneyorders.jsf
>>
>>
>> Darius
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:25 PM, David Learmonth <
>> david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > I appreciate the many many responses I've received recommending that we
>> set
>> > up a Paypal account for this purpose.
>> >
>> > However, unfortunately, it would seem that SCA rules do not allow the
>> use
>> > of Paypal.
>> >
>> > Although I expect I could have tried to set one up personally, and then
>> I
>> > could have written cheques myself on the Canadian side,  I know that
>> both
>> > this is ill advised (as it still isn't really proper), AND additionally
>> then
>> > I might potentially be bearing risks of losing money if there are
>> problems.
>> >
>> > Now, for interest sake, there is a system that we found out about, but
>> it
>> > was a bit late for us to get set up on it.  The SCA has set up a system
>> > called ACCEPS.  However, besides us not having the time to pursue it, it
>> > also had the problem that it would still provide a US funds Cheque I
>> believe
>> > at the end of the day, which was the main problematic point for us.
>> > However, for future KWDSes, they may wish to consider it.
>> >
>> > So thanks again for the suggestions everyone!  But no, unfortunately it
>> > seems we were not allowed to use this method.
>> >
>> > Darius
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:39 AM, David Learmonth <
>> > david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello to our American friends!
>> >>
>> >> There have been some concerns raised over wording on the website we
>> sent
>> >> regarding being unable to get a Canadian funds money order from USPS.
>>  (for
>> >> pre-registration at KWDS, which closes after tomorrow!)
>> >>
>> >> So, let me first say that a US funds money order should be fine.  Our
>> main
>> >> concern was just not to get a US funds Cheque, because a Cheque would
>> take
>> >> too long to clear between banks / countries, so we wouldn't have the
>> money
>> >> handy for the required deposits for our site that are coming due
>> shortly.
>> >>
>> >> However, since a Canadian funds money order is better for you based on
>> the
>> >> exchange rates  (since we can't offer better than 1:1 for the moment
>> >> ourselves), I'd recommend still trying for it with USPS or your bank.
>>  Here
>> >> is some info from our followups with USPS:
>> >>
>> >> "I just telephoned the US postal service and the woman confirmed that
>> yes
>> >> they will issue an international money order in Canadian Funds for the
>> >> exchange rate + $3.85. I asked her twice to confirm.
>> >>
>> >>     I hope this is true and you can go back and ask again (I got
>> nowhere
>> >> with my other inquiries at banks and visa wrt visa cheques). The number
>> I
>> >> phoned was (1-800-275-8777) if you want to make an independent
>> inquiry."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So, if someone out there does manage to get a Canadian funds money
>> order
>> >> via this method, could you please let us know?  I just want to confirm
>> that
>> >> it is possible on your end, since that seems to be the information
>> we've
>> >> been finding.  (despite conflicting info on the website!)  Otherwise,
>> if you
>> >> still have problems, you could also let us know.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks everyone!!
>> >>
>> >> Darius
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:32 AM, David Learmonth <
>> >> david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hello again.  Quick public service announcement.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1.  Paying for pre-registration at KWDS:  Although USD cheques are a
>> >>> possibility, we are unable to offer an exchange rate (just 1:1), and
>> so
>> >>> we've been suggesting potentially to get Canadian Dollar money orders.
>> >>> Gregory was kind enough to send me a web link that might be useful in
>> this
>> >>> regard:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.usps.com/money/sendingmoney/sendmoneyinternationally.htm
>> >>>
>> >>> "At $3.85, it's much cheaper than paying US$ at par, and last time I
>> >>> checked my bank will charge me some huge fee for checks cashed in
>> >>> Canada."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2.  Passports:  As of June 1st 2009, the rules will come into effect
>> that
>> >>> you will need a passport to cross the border between Canada and the
>> US, even
>> >>> by land.  However, it sounds like there may actually be a few options
>> >>> available  (such as Nexus card, or perhaps a special driver's
>> license).  I'm
>> >>> not certain which options are feasible in the 2 months left before the
>> >>> event, but here are some web links that hopefully should help.  (I'm
>> not a
>> >>> US citizen, so hopefully I've got the correct ones):
>> >>>
>> >>> US Links:
>> >>>
>> >>> Land Travel:
>> >>>
>> http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/ready_set_go/land_travel/faqs_lp.xml
>> >>>
>> >>> Travel in general: http://www.dhs.gov/xtrvlsec/crossingborders/
>> >>>
>> >>> US Passports:  http://travel.state.gov/
>> >>>
>> >>> Nexus Program  (not sure how long this takes):
>> >>> http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted_traveler/nexus_prog/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Canadian links:
>> >>> http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/noncan-eng.html
>> >>> http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/contact/bis-sif-eng.html
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh, and always remember:  When travelling with SCAdians across
>> >>> International Borders, Learn their REAL NAMES before you get to the
>> border!
>> >>> It looks really suspicious if you don't know the first name of people
>> you
>> >>> are travelling with!  :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope this helps!  See you at the event!
>> >>> Darius
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
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