[SCA-Dance] Not a Known World Dance Seminar?

David Learmonth david.a.learmonth at gmail.com
Tue Jun 23 17:28:49 EDT 2009

Oh, and just to clarify on the "posing" issue:  (long winding explanation,

Basically, due to various reasons, we were running a bit late on the
finalized bid  (back around October 2008).  (there was a chance that either
privy, or society, wouldn't have sufficient time to accept the bid).
Admittedly, like I say, I now understand that no matter what kingdom rules
and issues you have to deal with, you just have to take a date and a site,
and get the bid approved much earlier, to have time to do everything you
need to.

Anyways, so to continue, at the time we were concerned about whether we
would actually get the full KW level bid passed.

That was when we started looking at other possibilities, because as many
here have echoed, we didn't see that there would be much difference versus
running the event locally.  No matter what, we were determined to still have
the event.  (in fact, I was going to try to run it even if it was no longer
SCA approved at all, because obviously the dance community was expecting it,
and wouldn't have had time to try to run another one.  It just would have
cut down on the attendance a bit, and would have meant we would have needed
separate insurance, and couldn't advertise as easily in the SCA directly.
So I am really happy that it all got accepted in the end.).

Ok, so that was when the word came down that basically, IF our bid was
Denied, then if we were to run an event and basically still frame it as
KWDS, then we would get in trouble for it.  Because the official decision
would have already been rendered.  And in fact, we potentially could have
been Sued over it, or I guess kicked out of the SCA, or something like that
(I think Sued was mentioned).

HOWEVER, this did not specifically say anything about running the event in a
different mode from the start.  So I don't know whether you would encounter
the same issues.  But I had just wanted to put the warning out there.  And
that in fact, people may want to try to get the SCA Inc Laws changed, if the
dance community is going to pursue some of these options.

Sorry, I hope that clarifies things a bit.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM, <billqs at aol.com> wrote:
> Known World Dance Symposium wasn't coined in order to "pose being a KW
> event"- I don't know if that really was said by someone at the corporate
> level, but I find that extremely offensive. It's like a slap in the face to
> every dancer who has come from all the four corners of the earth to each of
> the KWDS's, has worked themselves silly to host the event, to line up
> instructors, to teach classes, to offer a live band to dance to, to sit up
> all night putting dance books together... basically to all the work each of
> us in the dance community have done to have this event.  Besides the SCA
> insurance policy (which I admit is important from a liability standpoint) I
> don't know what else they have offered us.  They may have encouraged other
> groups and kingdoms to publish flyers, but we already did that and probably
> had about the same success rate.

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