[SCA-Dance] Re: [Y:SCA-Dance] Digest Number 957
Caralyn Andersen
caralynl at interchange.ubc.ca
Mon May 1 20:20:44 EDT 2006
Hmm, for an out door maypole. Try a long piece of dead wood, dig a hole and
once the pole is in secure it with rocks. (No I don't live in the country
but 'natural' camp sites usually have these around if you're willing to hunt
through the woods) We make ribbons out of colourful fabric scraps attached
to a fabric covered wireframe. This works for up to 2 dozen dancers.
Afterwards the wood is returned to where it came from and the ribbons are
saved for next year. Cost $ 0 and some pactience and time untangling
ribbons.
Delgrade
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> 1. Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
> From: Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com>
> 2. Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
> From: Philip Edward Lewis <flip+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
> 3. Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
> From: Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com>
> 4. Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
> From: Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com>
> 5. [SCA-Dance] An inexpensive Maypole--Lady Jayne
> From: "Barbara Krege" <KREGE at aps.edu>
> 6. [SCA-Dance] ADMIN: Reply to the list (was Maypole)
> From: Philip Edward Lewis <flip+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
> 7. Re: [SCA-Dance] ADMIN: Reply to the list (was Maypole)
> From: Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:07:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
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> I'll believe that when I see it. The price of ribbon alone would be well
> over $100, and that wouldn't even be very sturdy. Building an
> indoor/outdoor base would be pricey, too. Thanks for trying to make me
> feel bad for sharing, though.
>
> Duriel
>
> Huette von Ahrens <huette_aliza at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have made maypoles for half that price and still had
> some money left over! I usually have about 18 ribbon
> lengths [about 24' long] for 36 dancers...
>
> Huette
> Caid
>
> --- Tom Vincent wrote:
>
>>
>> If anyone's looking to buy a Maypole, I found a good
>> one online for $100.
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.shop.com/op/~BLUE_SPORT_Maypole_Set-prod-24586255
>>
>>
>
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> Date: 28 Apr 2006 09:02:28 -0400
> From: Philip Edward Lewis <flip+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
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> Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com> writes:
>>I'll believe that when I see it.
> do note-- the "set" you posted is for a ring and 12 1"x12'(I assume
> the " is a misprint on the site) ribbons only. It is "For use with BLUE
> SPORT
> Poles and Bases". The vollyball base with 10' pole is another 60. (on
> that site) Total cost $144.
>
>>Building an indoor/outdoor base would be pricey, too.
> Pole could be a piece of PVC, or better--wooden closet rod.
> PVC is dirt cheap, and closet rod isn't that expensive. Perhaps $1/ft?
>
> Indoor/outdoor base would be the price of a bag of concrete mix. <$10?
> Mix full bag of concrete, pour into box lined with a garbage bag,
> insert and plumb the pole (greased or bagged if you want to remove it)
> and brace till set. can't think of a cheap "ring" offhand, perhaps a
> large screw eye or a wreath of grapevines/supple branches.
> (Forsythia should work)
>
>>The price of ribbon alone would be well over $100,
>>and that wouldn't even be very sturdy.
> I have no idea what 144' of 1" wide ribbon costs. that's 48
> yards... so even at $1/yard (I have this vague recollection that cheap
> trim costs about that) that's $50.
>
> http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=nylon+ribbon
> has a first hit for 1.5" ribbon@ .69/yard.
> I have no idea how sturdy it is. ;)
>
> Just some thoughts.
> I don't think anyone is trying to make you feel bad.
> Go outside and get some fresh almost may air, you sound stressed.
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
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> Thanks for pointing that out! As it turns out, that price was just for
> the ring & ribbons, as you said.
>
> I found the FULL set, with base & poles for $125.
>
>
> http://www.palossports.com/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/4117/CategoryID/25081/SubCatID/3007/file.htm
>
> Maypole/Base Set
> Bring back a traditional game to your class! Set includes: steel crown,
> ribbon snap clips and
> 12-1"W x 12'L colored ribbons. Bases are made from
> a durable resin, fill the bases with sand (80 lbs.) or water (50lbs.) for
> ballast and measures 20"W x 30"L x 41/2"H.The two piece (11/2" x 13/4")8'
> Pole adjusts in 4" increments from 52" to 98".
>
> Duriel
>
>
> Wulfric <wulfric at manor.wolvesbanedesigns.com> wrote:
> Not trying to add hard feelings, but I would contact the company before
> ordering one. If I'm reading it correctly, that price is not for the
> everything pictured. It states "For use with BLUE SPORT Poles and Bases.",
> which implies that all you get for $84.95 is the top ring and the ribbons.
>
> On a separate note, the information is much appreciated and it might just
> spark up a bit of conversation. Anyone planning on setting up a maypole?.
>
> Wulfric
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
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>> I'll believe that when I see it. The price of ribbon alone would be well
> over $100, and that wouldn't even be very sturdy. Building an
> indoor/outdoor base would be pricey, too. Thanks for trying to make me
> feel
> bad for sharing, though.
>>
>> Duriel
>>
>> Huette von Ahrens wrote:
>> I have made maypoles for half that price and still had
>> some money left over! I usually have about 18 ribbon
>> lengths [about 24' long] for 36 dancers...
>>
>> Huette
>> Caid
>>
>> --- Tom Vincent wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > If anyone's looking to buy a Maypole, I found a good
>> > one online for $100.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.shop.com/op/~BLUE_SPORT_Maypole_Set-prod-24586255
>> >
>> >
>>
>> "While I dance I cannot judge,
>> I cannot hate,
>> I cannot seperate myself from life.
>> I can only be joyful and whole.
>> That is why I dance."
>> --Hans Bos
>>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:28:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Maypole
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> (dammit, I hate the reply-to setup on this list!)
>
> One inch wide ribbon would not be sturdy enough or wide enough for use on
> a Maypole. You'd want at least 2-3 inches wide and thick enough not to
> tear apart on the first use.
>
> As I mentioned, I found the whole set for $125, so that's not much of a
> price difference, thankfully!
>
> I'd price PVC, if I were you. It's more than that. I was concerned
> about the sturdiness of a thin wooden pole (plus the necessary
> connectors). Some connector problem with PVC. Having a designed system
> that can be adjusted for kids and adults is very handy. Avoids
> construction hassles, too.
>
> I'm not about to ask people to lug around a concrete block! Having a
> base that can be filled -- and, more importantly, emptied -- with sand or
> water is infinitely more practical and mobile.
>
> I'm fine, thanks. Just get a bit tired of sharing information only to
> have someone else either see it as an opportunity for 'oneupsmanship' or
> bitch about it without providing a better solution. Not the first time
> I've seen it. Sometimes it seems like the simple courtesy of a thank you
> is too much to ask for.
>
> Duriel
>
>
>
>
> Philip Edward Lewis <flip+ at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
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> Tom Vincent writes:
>>I'll believe that when I see it.
> do note-- the "set" you posted is for a ring and 12 1"x12'(I assume
> the " is a misprint on the site) ribbons only. It is "For use with BLUE
> SPORT
> Poles and Bases". The vollyball base with 10' pole is another 60. (on
> that site) Total cost $144.
>
>>Building an indoor/outdoor base would be pricey, too.
> Pole could be a piece of PVC, or better--wooden closet rod.
> PVC is dirt cheap, and closet rod isn't that expensive. Perhaps $1/ft?
>
> Indoor/outdoor base would be the price of a bag of concrete mix. <$10?
> Mix full bag of concrete, pour into box lined with a garbage bag,
> insert and plumb the pole (greased or bagged if you want to remove it)
> and brace till set. can't think of a cheap "ring" offhand, perhaps a
> large screw eye or a wreath of grapevines/supple branches.
> (Forsythia should work)
>
>>The price of ribbon alone would be well over $100,
>>and that wouldn't even be very sturdy.
> I have no idea what 144' of 1" wide ribbon costs. that's 48
> yards... so even at $1/yard (I have this vague recollection that cheap
> trim costs about that) that's $50.
>
> http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=nylon+ribbon
> has a first hit for 1.5" ribbon@ .69/yard.
> I have no idea how sturdy it is. ;)
>
> Just some thoughts.
> I don't think anyone is trying to make you feel bad.
> Go outside and get some fresh almost may air, you sound stressed.
>
> --
> May no harm befall you,
> flip
> Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:54:07 -0600
> From: "Barbara Krege" <KREGE at aps.edu>
> Subject: [SCA-Dance] An inexpensive Maypole--Lady Jayne
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> Greetings to this list. I am Lady Jayne Barber from the Barony of
> al-Barran, Kingdom of the Outlands and I have been teaching court dancing
> twice a month (or more) in al-Barran for 8 1/2 years.
>
> I too have a maypole--actually 2 maypoles. And I was lucky in the
> generosity of others in gathering the pieces: poles, ribbons, carrying
> bag, portable hole and a 2nd freestanding base.
>
> Poles--Someone had bought prefabed, light weight but very sturdy, hollow,
> stacking (top of some poles fit inside the hollow bottom of other poles)
> ~3" diameter (cane?) poles at a surplus store. My guess is the poles
> were "tent" poles. There were 3 types of poles.
>
> Some had a solid bottom, with a hollow top, which I used for the base
> pole. Some were hollow on the bottom, but had a solid wood top about 3 to
> 4" long--the diameter of which, was less than the hollow inside of the
> bottom of other poles--which I used for the center poles. Some had a
> hollow bottom but a thick pointed metal needle at the top (~1/4" thick)
> which I used for the top of my maypole.
>
> Each of the poles was 4 foot long. I use 3 pieces for a 12' tall maypole.
> I use the solid bottom/hollow top pole on the bottom. Then in the middle
> I use a hollow bottom/solid wood "nesting" top. And on the top, I use a
> hollow bottom with a needle on the top. They paid $1 per pole and they
> sold them to me for $1 a pole. I have enough for two maypoles and 4 extra
> poles.
>
> Carrying Bags--A friend for whom I had helped sew in his business, made
> for free two ~5 foot sturdy bags (for the ribbons and poles) with carrying
> straps.
>
> Ribbons--I wanted sturdy "ribbons" and finally decided to use trigger
> cloth in primary colors. That way we could wash them and they would hold
> up thru the pulling on the ribbons by the maypole dancers. I was able
> to get red, purple, green, gold and blue.
>
> The same friend cut 1" strips of cloth the length of the trigger, which I
> think was 120" (10'). We put two strips together on the ends and sewed
> both sides, folding under the sides (like a skirt hem?). At one end of
> each 20' "Ribbon", we put a very large grommet (big enough in the hole of
> the grommet to slip over the "needle/spike" on the top pole. That size
> grommet is hard to find, and costs about $4 for about 20 pieces. The
> spike will hold about 16 ribbons (make sure that you nest the grommets)
> and then I put a heavy rubber band on the top of the spike and ribbons to
> be sure they don't come off--however the downward pull of the ribbons by
> the dancers usually keeps the ribbons on. With 16 ribbons, there is not
> much room for a topper--which I still haven't made--but plan on some kind
> of garland, probably on a wooden circle (with hole in center) slipped on
> top of all the ribbons.
>
> Portable Holes (outdoor, with pointed end)--Since these poles have no base
> to them, two individuals from my barony made and donated two "portable
> holes" made out of bedframes, with a pointed end--to pound into the ground
> and two 1' wide metal circle bands welded on each pole--the inside
> diameter of the rings custom fitted to the outside diameter of the poles.
> They wouldn't take payment for them. And they work beautifully. One
> portable hole is for each maypole.
>
> A 3rd Stand for indoor use--We were going to do a Ren. Faire and perform
> on a stage in an arena--so the question arose, how could we keep the
> maypole upright on a wooden stage. A 3rd friend, designed, built and
> donated a 4 piece take apart metal stand. The center section was about 2
> feet tall, hollow inside, custom fitted to the outside diameter of the
> wooden pole. At the base of this center metal tube was welded on 3 metal
> square-shaped hollow sections (each about 12" long) in a tripod fashion.
> The sections were hollow and had a screw in the top of each of the 3
> sections (used to "stop" the inserted pieces). Then there were 3 smaller
> hollow heavy metal square-shaped "rods" that were then inserted inside
> the welded on 3 "legs" as extensions for added support (these 3 are
> inserted to the placed screw) and another screw is used on each leg to
> screw down just a little to put added pressure from the top of the welded
> leg on the inserted extension pieces -- to help hold the!
> extension legs in place. This stand was designed this way (able to take
> apart) for portability and transportation. My request to the person who
> designed it and ultimately built it, was that this 60 year old, 135 lb.
> woman, could pick it up and transport it in the trunk of a car. He would
> not take payment either for building it or for the materials. That is the
> SCA.
>
> I hope my information (above) is clear.
>
> For me the cost was very little and as I type this, the love for these
> gentlemen for their generosity continues.
>
> If you want more information, please contact me off-line.
>
> Yours in service,
> Lady Jayne Barber
> (aka Lady Barbara)
> al-Barran
> Outlands
> krege at aps.edu
>
>
>
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> Date: 28 Apr 2006 11:28:32 -0400
> From: Philip Edward Lewis <flip+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
> Subject: [SCA-Dance] ADMIN: Reply to the list (was Maypole)
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> Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com> writes:
>>(dammit, I hate the reply-to setup on this list!)
>
> Hint: look for the reply to all feature of your mail program.
>
> The change was made because the last time the list was polled, the
> "not breaking the official rules for good message processing behavior"
> crowd (of which i am in favor of) crowd one. Perhaps this was because of
> apathy, but that's not in question here.
>
> There *is* a reminder at the top of each post. ;) (which is annoying,
> I realize, but will stay there for a while, since there was such a
> long time with it set up the other way.)
>
> I know that we are an intelligent crowd, and all of us know how to
> read a "To:" header... it really shouldn't be to big issue.
> (nor should the other way, but that setup *did* delete data that the
> poster might have explicitly set and wished to preserve)
>
> --
> May no harm befall you,
> flip
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>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tom Vincent <tomrvincent at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] ADMIN: Reply to the list (was Maypole)
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> I know, but it's still a pain in the arse. I have to do a 'reply all' and
> then remove the individual. It's completely counter-intuitive.
>
> This is the way I see it: An e-mail list mimicks a conversation between
> a group of people at a gathering.
>
> So, a reply is made in earshot of everyone there, not just to one person.
> The way *this* list is set up, the analogy would be that a person in the
> gathering makes a comment and you take them into another room in order to
> make your (private) reply rather than in front of the group, which is the
> normal way the group conversation dynamics would operate.
>
> Doing a 'reply all' would be like taking the person into a separate room
> for a conversation and then leading the person back to the group and then
> saying exactly the same thing to the person in front of the group!
>
> So, common sense would dictate that replies to an group e-mail would go
> to the *group*, not JUST to the person who made the comment. If you want
> a private conversation, have one, but that's not the purpose of a group
> e-mail or a group e-list, by definition.
>
>
> Duriel
>
> Philip Edward Lewis <flip+ at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
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> Tom Vincent writes:
>>(dammit, I hate the reply-to setup on this list!)
>
> Hint: look for the reply to all feature of your mail program.
>
> The change was made because the last time the list was polled, the
> "not breaking the official rules for good message processing behavior"
> crowd (of which i am in favor of) crowd one. Perhaps this was because of
> apathy, but that's not in question here.
>
> There *is* a reminder at the top of each post. ;) (which is annoying,
> I realize, but will stay there for a while, since there was such a
> long time with it set up the other way.)
>
> I know that we are an intelligent crowd, and all of us know how to
> read a "To:" header... it really shouldn't be to big issue.
> (nor should the other way, but that setup *did* delete data that the
> poster might have explicitly set and wished to preserve)
>
> --
> May no harm befall you,
> flip
> Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
>
>
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