[SCA-BMDL] Salve Accolens! A Motto for the Debatable Lands

Fri Nov 15 23:19:04 EST 2019

It was brought up at a meeting in August. It has been in the record since
then. The populace has had loads of time to comment on the whim of the
Baroness... that said, it is a WHIM, which is not in any way a "decision
for the populace."

However, your suggestion is being adopted and the matter is being referred
according to your wishes. I'm not sure why you're still complaining.

Gwen

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:15 PM Shawn MacIntyre <medicmacintyre at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Personally, I find it discourteous to not bring the idea to the full
> populace prior to making an announcement. The idea of not allowing the
> populace to have input prior to making an announcement goes against the
> proposed motto itself.
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:09 PM Ruth Morrisson via Sca-bmdl <
> sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Greetings from Myfanwy!
>> I’m in complete agreement with Her Excellency Gwendolyn.
>> Remember — the SCA does not register full achievements of arms, mottoes,
>> and the like.  I’m perfectly good with our Baroness suggesting a motto and
>> letting it be up to the populace to use it or not.  For anyone to suggest
>> otherwise is discourteous, and completely against everything that the SCA
>> strives for as an ideal.
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Gwenly Grace <gwenlygrace at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I categorically disagree that the announcement represented a policy
>> decision. Furthermore, the announcement was clearly invitational in
>> terminology: "we hope you will join us," etc. To suggest that it was
>> imperious is, to put it mildly, unkind.
>>
>> As a corollary, I don't recall anyone in the populace being consulted or
>> asked to vote about "Ad gloriam AEthelmearc" (or the original and incorrect
>> "In Glorias" version)--it was decided by a sitting royal and it was the
>> task of that royalty to exhort the populace to follow. We did in fact force
>> a modification, but we could, collectively, have decided "Nope, not doing
>> that."
>>
>> Similarly, if someone writes a song for the barony or the kingdom, it's
>> not a requirement that the populace adopt it. To me a motto falls in the
>> same category, and is well within the purview of the Baron and Baroness.
>>
>> I have no objection to soliciting suggestions, or asking for a vote, but
>> I believe the original motto is fitting, and was chosen with only good
>> intention. But vote or no vote, let's be clear that nothing about this
>> appears to be a violation of policy.
>>
>> Ever in service,
>>
>> Gwendolyn the Graceful, Brehyres, OL
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:29 PM Shawn MacIntyre <
>> medicmacintyre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> However, you seem to have already made a decision on your own without
>>> discussing it at a meeting, your "announcement" was making a policy without
>>> discussion. It was not pointed out as "Optional" until someone questioned
>>> the announcement.
>>>
>>> Baronial Policy Section I Subsection B,
>>>
>>>   B. Baronial policies may be created or changed by the Officers.
>>> Proposed additions or changes to Baronial policies must appear on the
>>> agenda of the Officers' meeting at which they are ratified. In this
>>> circumstance the proposed changes shall be and the agenda shall be
>>> announced to the populace on the Baronial email list at least 48 hours
>>> before the meeting.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:23 PM Krista Cogan <krista.cogan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What an excellent idea! See what we can accomplish together? I wish I
>>>> would have thought of it myself! Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> See, here is the beauty of game side stuff - it's flexy!
>>>>
>>>> ~Bns. Hilda
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:00 PM Shawn MacIntyre <
>>>> medicmacintyre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While the idea of a "Motto" for the Barony may be a great idea, I have
>>>>> an issue with this not being brought up for public discussion and chosen by
>>>>> the few, Who had input in the process? I have attended all the business
>>>>> meetings because they are held at my church. I think a better idea would be
>>>>> to get input from all the members of the barony, perhaps have a contest to
>>>>> choose a motto rather than singularly making a decision on behalf of the
>>>>> populace. While there is a "Game Side" and a" Business Side" to the SCA, a
>>>>> motto is something that the populace as a whole should decide. While you
>>>>> point out that the motto is about Love and Acceptance, it lacks the input
>>>>> of the many, which is the opposite of acceptance. The Hael and Thescorre's
>>>>> motto have meaning to the populace because they represent something special
>>>>> that the populace can get behind. Picking a motto is more like making a
>>>>> campaign saying, while your backers may get behind it, without a reason to
>>>>> stand by it, it is a saying, not a motto.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maighstir Liam
>>>>> 7th Baron of the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands (Retired)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 4:35 PM Stórfréttir Updates <
>>>>> admin at debatablelands.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is new Baronial News at the Stórfréttir!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Salve Accolens! A Motto for the Debatable Lands
>>>>>> Posted by: Hilderun Hugelman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note to those reading from the email list, click on the link below to
>>>>>> see a formatted version with live links at the blog website. On this, the
>>>>>> eve of our third Debatable Lands Equestrian Championship (details, and
>>>>>> schedule), we'd like to introduce to you our new Baronial motto! SALVE
>>>>>> ACCOLENS! What does it mean? HELLO NEIGHBORS! It is the week of World
>>>>>> Kindness Day, embodied by the greatest modern champion of kindness and
>>>>>> courtesy, especially toward oneself and their neighbors: Mr. Fred Rogers.
>>>>>> The Debatable Lands is his home Barony, and we hope that all our people
>>>>>> will strive toward these ideals: kindness, courtesy, generous and open
>>>>>> hearts, mindfulness to feelings, and to be helping and loving and
>>>>>> welcoming. All these, we feel, are encompassed by "Hello Neighbors" -
>>>>>> "Salve Accolens". We hope to enact these these ideals in word and deed, and
>>>>>> hope you all will join us. We are ALL each others' neighbors. SALVE
>>>>>> ACCOLENS! Please use this new Baronial motto with gusto and verity. (Also,
>>>>>> it's Latin, so you can say it the other way: ACCOLENS SALVE!) See you at
>>>>>> Baronial Equestrian Champs tomorrow! In Levitate et Caritate, and
>>>>>> Cheers,Baron Brandubh and Baroness Hilda "Listening is where love begins:
>>>>>> listening to ourselves and then to our neighbors." -Fred Rogers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To see or comment on this post on the Stórfréttir, click here:
>>>>>> http://debatablelands.org/blog/?p=4056.
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