[SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns

Thu Jun 19 15:24:12 EDT 2008

I have x-stitch patterns for the comet as well as the
populace badge, in various sizes.  Please e-mail
off-list and we can discuss what will work for you.

Also, regarding the bag, at one point (under Len and
Anne),  comets sewn on black bags were used to
symbolize having received that color comet (i,e my bag
has a Gold and Silver Comets on it because I received
both). A black comet on a gold background would not
conflict with this, but I would suggest staying away
from the reverse unless you have a Gold Comet.

Cassandra
--- Elss_of_Augsburg <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> My goodness! What a wealth of information I have
> received! 
>  
> Thank you to all who have replied, both about arms,
> badges, and the proper use thereof, and also about
> patterns for stitching said arms,
> badges, etc....... Everything I have read was
> interesting and informative, and very useful.
>  
> What I am looking for is a pattern for the comet,
> which as I understand it can be sewn in black onto
> my garb to identify me as belonging to BMDL. My
> first item will probably be a small bag to hang from
> my belt, probably yellow, with black comet.
>  
> I would also like a pattern for the complete
> populace badge -- the white comet on yellow block
> field with a black background. I would like to make
> a larger bag and sew the complete badge onto that.
>  
> Other than a bag, what (small!) items could I make
> that could have a badge on it?
>  
> Any and all advice or ideas will be warmly received,
> I welcome historic information as well as practical,
> SCA-related guidance.
>  
> Again, many thanks to all who responded, and thanks
> in advance for any help to come...
>  
> Elss
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, muirgens at aol.com
> <muirgens at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: muirgens at aol.com <muirgens at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> To: pmb_pa at yahoo.com, sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 4:43 PM
> 
> 
> My understanding is what Hrefna said.  
> 
> The Laurel Wreath implies that you ARE the arms
> depicted (eg that you are the
> baron/baroness/King/Queen, etc.) or that here is
> where you can find the barony/kingdom, etc. (as in a
> field banner or camp banner on the baronial
> encampment).  
> When you take a position such as Baron, Baroness,
> Prince, Princess, King, Queen, you stop using your
> personal arms and take on the arms of the location
> that you now represent.  Once you step down,
> you revert to your personal arms.  Just as one would
> not paint the kingdom arms on their shield or put it
> on their garb unless they were on the throne,
> baronial arms (with Laurel wreath) are reserved for
> the sitting baron and baroness and the barony itself
> as an entity (not the individuals in it). Just think
> "L'etat c'est moi" in this case ("I am the state"). 
> Remember that in period, landed nobility were often
> referred to as the name of the land they were in
> charge of (such as "Exeter" or "Northumberland" --
> see Henry V).  
> 
> Populace badges, such as the plain comet (no wreath)
> as Hrefna described or the white escarbuncle at the
> kingdom level, are free to be used by anyone who
> wants to identify themselves as part of that group. 
> So by wearing a badge or putting it on your clothes
> you are saying "I belong to this place"..  It's like
> painting your face with the team colors for the game
> (except WAY cooler in my opinion).
> 
> So the right thing to do if a person is interested
> in identifying with the barony by putting a symbol
> on his or her clothing is to use the populace badge
> (no wreath), not the full baronial arms (yes
> wreath).  One might also make a banner with the
> populace badge (no wreath) to say "we belong to this
> place".  That could go in thier personal camp or
> they could carry it with them to march with the
> barony etc. and it would remain their personal
> property.
> 
> If you want to identify the barony (as one does with
> a banner), use the full arms (yes wreath).  Keep in
> mind that that banner, once given to the baron and
> baroness, then becomes property of the barony and
> will pass to the next baron and baroness as baronial
> regalia (ie stuff that the barony owns)..  
> 
> Does that help?
> 
> Morgen,
> Princess of Æthelmearc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Bolkovac <pmb_pa at yahoo.com>
> To: BMDL SCA <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Sent: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> 
> 
> I replied off list asking for more info, so I know
> which pattern to give her.  But I have a question
> regarding what can be put on garb for members of the
> barony.  Should it include the wreath or not?  My
> gut
> says it shouldn't.  This drives what the available
> patterns are (I have at least 10 versions of this in
> various sizes, shapes, etc.)
> 
> Cassandra
> --- myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote:
> 
> > Greetings from Myfanwy!
> > Hrefna's correct about the arms vs. the populace
> > badge.  However, it isn't
> > clear whether Elss needs to know what stuff looks
> > like, or have an actual
> > chart/design to work from.
> > I know that Cassandra charted the comet part
> awhile
> > back to do order
> > badges in cross stitch.  I'm not sure where mine
> is
> > at the moment, but I'm
> > pretty sure that Cassandra or someone will have a
> > copy and can get you
> > one.
> > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
> > Ruth Morrisson
> > myfanwy at nauticom.net
> > 
> > > Hi Elss,
> > >
> > > If the banner is for your own personal use, you
> > want to use what is called
> > > the populace badge,  which is a white comet with
> > its head on your left
> > > inside of a yellow block border on a black
> > background.  In heraldic
> > > speech, the badge is "Sable, a comet fesswise
> > argent, a bordure embattled
> > > Or."
> > >
> > > If you are making the banner for the barony to
> use
> > or for the baron or
> > > baroness, then you want to use the group's arms.
> 
> > There is a picture in
> > > the upper left corner of this web page:
> > http://debatablelands.org/.
> > >
> > > Visiually, the difference between the two is the
> > laurel wreath but the
> > > meaning is much more. The badge says "I belong
> to
> > or am a member of the
> > > Barony-Marche".  The arms declare "I am the
> > Barony-Marche" or "I am the
> > > baroness\baron of the Debatable Lands."
> > >
> > > Your banner can be any shape: round, square,
> > rectangular, or heater (i.e.
> > > shield shaped.)  Just make the border fit the
> > shape of the banner.
> > >
> > > Raven
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
----------------------------------------------------------
> > > And this above all to thine own self be true.
> > >                                 - Shakespeare,
> > "Hamlet"
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Elss_of_Augsburg
> > <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: Elss_of_Augsburg
> > <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
> > >> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> > >> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> > >> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:14 AM
> > >> Greetings!
> > >>  
> > >> Does any good gentile out there have a pattern
> > for the BMDL
> 
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