thread=refs

Gabriele Bulfon gbulfon at sonicle.com
Tue Jul 19 02:58:38 EDT 2016


Wow! This is really interesting!
What minimum version of cyrus sources can I use for these changes?
At the moment I'm running servers with 2.4.12, on our illumos based distro XStreamOS.
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Re: thread=refs
I went ahead and committed an implementation of THREAD-REFS:
https://github.com/cyrusimap/cyrus-imapd/commit/16747e608f32f9dd9348988d3f83cb8f1b037ff6
Per the draft, grouping by subject is skipped and threads (toplevel    messages) are sorted by INTERNALDATE, while the messages within the    threads are still sorted by SENTDATE.
I confirmed that THREAD=REFERENCES is still correct, but I have    nothing to compare THREAD=REFS results to.  The current threading in    Thunderbird is close, but it might be using INTERNALDATE throughout.
On 07/12/2016 04:44 PM, Ken Murchison      via Info-cyrus wrote:
Gabriele,
The attached patch is what I was thinking in terms of      implementation.  It skips the grouping by subject for REFS, but I      didn't do the REFS-specific date handling.  Contrary to what the      THREAD=REFS draft says, I'm not sure if the special date handling      should be done in step 4 or 6.  I would have to did deeper into      the code to see where is belongs.
On 07/08/2016 11:36 AM, Gabriele        Bulfon via Info-cyrus wrote:
Mainly web          clients, installed clients usually implements threading          internally to overcome problems with the original references          algorithm that is often confusing.
The problem with          references is that it includes subject grouping, that is an          old netscape model of the 90s: today, we just need references          within the headers ids, or we may take a wrong message in the          thread just because it has a similar subject (for example          automatic mails with same subjects would be treated as a          thread, which is wrong).
Now, we're          staring to implement threading view on our web collaboration          software, running on cyrus.
So we are          investigating how RoundCube is doing threading on a dovecot          installation, and we found it to be the same as the client          algrithm of Thunderbird, which is fine. Looking at the          protocol, it uses REFS first, probably because it has no          subject grouping by definition, and it should have a better          date sorting. Should, because I found that Dovecot does not          sort it reversed...
Maybe I will ask          Dovecot guys why they choose to keep sort same as references:          I suspect that claim to support refs, but actually the do the          same references functions, but never do subject grouping.
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Re: thread=refs
On 07/08/2016 11:08 AM,              Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
Ok, sure,                but still two issues remain other than the draft:
- we need                to get rid of subject grouping in REFS, it only brings                disorder, merging stuff that is not related
I believe that the parameterization of the core functions            should be able to handle this.
- I would                try to guess why dovecot does not change sorting in                REFS, keeping it same as REFERENCES
I would contact that Dovecot authors and find out which            version of the THREAD=REFS draft they based their work on.
BTW, which clients use THREAD=REFS?
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8 luglio 2016 16.39.17 CEST
Oggetto:
Re: thread=refs
Is there an actual RFC? All I find is                    draft-ietf-morg-inthread-01. Looking at that draft,                    the only difference between REFS ad REFERENCES is                    this:
THREAD=REFS sorts threads by the most recent INTERNALDATE in each    thread, replacing THREAD=REFERENCES step (4). This means that when a    new message arrives, its thread becomes the latest thread. (Note    that while threads are sorted by arrival date, messages within a    thread are sorted by sent date, just as for THREAD=REFERENCES.)
This being the case, I don't think we need two copies                  of the threading functions. I'd modify the exiting                  functions to take an additional parameter to specify                  whether we're doing REFS or REFERENCES and then have 2                  wrapper functions which call the main function with                  the parameter set appropriately for the given                  algorithm.
On 07/08/2016 10:03 AM,                    Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
Ok,                      it works :) but checking against dovecot                      implementation, it looks like they have refs order                      same as references, but without subject grouping.                      AFAIK the RFC on refs says ordering of dates                      within the group should be reversed. Am I wrong?
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8 luglio 2016 15.22.56 CEST
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Re: thread=refs
Testing                          ;) and checking against a dovecot machine with                          refs and same messages.
Will                          let you know
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Re: thread=refs
On 07/07/2016                              02:03 PM, Gabriele Bulfon via Info-cyrus                              wrote:
I can finally get back to this                                after so many months!
I checked the sources, and I                                actually see it doesn't look very hard.
Looks like:
- renaming all functions like                                "index_thread_ref" into                                "index_thread_references"
- duplicate them as                                "index_thread_refs"
- let "references" alg call the                                "references" funcs
- add support for "refs" in                                thread_algs and let them call the "refs"                                funcs
Makes sense.
then:
- completely remove the call to                                "ref_group_subjects", we don't want it                                at all in refs
- change the sortcrit to use the                                SORT_REVERSE modifier
As long as you mean making these changes for                            just the "refs" variant and not both.
what do you think? may be fine?
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Oggetto:
Re: thread=refs
As far as I can                                  tell, the last specification for                                  thread=refs was here:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-inthread-01
To implement this you want to look at                                  index.c in the Cyrus source and add                                  another entry to the thread_algs[]                                  array. I'm guessing that you can reuse                                  a lot of the existing                                  index_thread_ref() code (which is                                  probably needs to be renamed to                                  index_thread_references()).
On                                    10/05/2015 06:07 AM, Gabriele Bulfon                                    wrote:
Great, Ken.                                        Can you give me some advice /                                        pointer to the sources I should                                        look at?
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2 ottobre 2015                                        19.08.04 CEST
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Re: thread=refs
On                                          10/02/2015 10:53 AM, Gabriele                                          Bulfon wrote:
Nice,                                              it's not a big deal for us                                              to upgrade to new                                              versions, surely easier                                              than porting to Dovecot!                                              ;)
So, maybe we can help with                                              the implementation.
In my                                              mind, it's almost about                                              changing the                                              "thread=reference" and let                                              it omit the subject                                              matching, change sorting
and...maybe                                              just this? How much hard                                              do you think it is?
That sounds about right from                                        what I remember of                                        THREAD=REFERENCES (which I                                        co-authored and implemented) and                                        THREAD=REFS (which I think was                                        last documented in 2010).
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2 ottobre                                              2015 12.59.08 CEST
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Re:                                              thread=refs
No, there isn't. The                                                conversations work in                                                3.0 beta contains a lot                                                of what would be                                                required to efficiently                                                implement THREAD=REFS,                                                but nobody has done the                                                work to implement it.
It certainly will                                                never be backported to                                                the 2.4 series, which is                                                only getting security                                                updates and fixes for                                                major bugs now.
Regards,
Bron.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015,                                                at 18:40, Gabriele                                                Bulfon wrote:
Hi,
we have systems                                                  running cyrus 2.4.12,                                                  where thread                                                  algorithms are only                                                  references and                                                  orderedsubject.
Is there support                                                  for the thread=refs                                                  algorithm?
Thanks
Gabriele
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