From vanderhyde at sxu.edu  Fri Nov  1 09:43:44 2024
From: vanderhyde at sxu.edu (Vanderhyde, James)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:43:44 +0000
Subject: alice-teacher Deriving classes?
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Phil, welcome to the group. The problem you describe really threw me for a loop when I started using Alice 3.

I think the video you watched might have been for Alice 2, or maybe the person who made it was still thinking in Alice 2 terms. Try this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITzfZkpxR8

There is actually no way to create your own class in Alice 3. It?s not object oriented in that sense. What you can do is create methods for one of the existing classes, export the methods, and import them into the same class in a different project, like Don does in the video.

If you want to see what Alice is doing with the classes and objects, I recommend exporting the Alice 3 project to NetBeans, and then opening it in NetBeans. You?ll see that the project has injected classes into the hierarchy. Alice 3 allows you to modify those injected classes with new methods, but you can?t inject your own classes.

You can do whatever you want in Java in NetBeans, but you can?t bring it back into Alice.

James
?
James Vanderhyde
Associate Professor
Computer Science
Saint Xavier University
3700 W. 103rd St.
Chicago, IL 60655
773-298-3454
vanderhyde at sxu.edu
sxu.edu

On Oct 31, 2024, at 9:25?AM, Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings, all!

This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of homeschooling my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer, mostly C++ these days.

I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object, *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?

Thanks,
Phil
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From aziccardi at opschools.org  Fri Nov  1 07:26:02 2024
From: aziccardi at opschools.org (Ziccardi, Adam)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2024 07:26:02 -0400
Subject: alice-teacher Deriving classes?
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Hi Phil,
Welcome aboard and Alice 3 is a great choice. I would like to see the
tutorial you are using as I am unfamiliar with an 'Export' option for a
class.
I used Save to Class File extensively when we enhanced classes' properties,
functions, and procedures which has a naming allowance for the new class.
Also, are you making brand new classes or modifying existing?
Thanks
Adam Z

On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 5:42?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings, all!
>
> This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked
> through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
> I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of homeschooling
> my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer, mostly C++
> these days.
>
> I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would
> be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to
> do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object,
> *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export
> dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
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> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
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From Gloria.Barron at montgomerycollege.edu  Fri Nov  1 12:39:16 2024
From: Gloria.Barron at montgomerycollege.edu (Barron, Gloria E)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2024 16:39:16 +0000
Subject: alice-teacher Deriving classes?
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Phil, welcome to the group. The problem you describe really threw me for a loop when I started using Alice 3.

I think the video you watched might have been for Alice 2, or maybe the person who made it was still thinking in Alice 2 terms. Try this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITzfZkpxR8

There is actually no way to create your own class in Alice 3. It?s not object oriented in that sense. What you can do is create methods for one of the existing classes, export the methods, and import them into the same class in a different project, like Don does in the video.

If you want to see what Alice is doing with the classes and objects, I recommend exporting the Alice 3 project to NetBeans, and then opening it in NetBeans. You?ll see that the project has injected classes into the hierarchy. Alice 3 allows you to modify those injected classes with new methods, but you can?t inject your own classes.

You can do whatever you want in Java in NetBeans, but you can?t bring it back into Alice.

James
?
James Vanderhyde
Associate Professor
Computer Science
Saint Xavier University
3700 W. 103rd St.
Chicago, IL 60655
773-298-3454
vanderhyde at sxu.edu
sxu.edu

On Oct 31, 2024, at 9:25?AM, Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings, all!

This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of homeschooling my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer, mostly C++ these days.

I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object, *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?

Thanks,
Phil
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From ptessier1958 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 15:31:09 2024
From: ptessier1958 at gmail.com (Phil Tessier)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 14:31:09 -0500
Subject: alice-teacher Deriving classes?
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Thank you for your responses.
I should have included the link to the tutorial in my previous email. Here
it is now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITzfZkpxR8
Adam, I misspoke when I said that I'm using "Export"; I'm using "Save to
Class File" (screenshot attached, if the mailing list let's it in). For me,
though, it doesn't provide me with an option to name the class.
James,
The link in this message is to the tutorial I originally watched. It
certainly _seems_ to apply to Alice 3.(If I'm reading his title bar
correctly, it identifies itself as Alice 3.1.
All,
Could this option have existed in early versions of Alice 3, and been
removed?
Thanks,
Phil

On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 11:06?AM Ziccardi, Adam <aziccardi at opschools.org>
wrote:

> Hi Phil,
> Welcome aboard and Alice 3 is a great choice. I would like to see the
> tutorial you are using as I am unfamiliar with an 'Export' option for a
> class.
> I used Save to Class File extensively when we enhanced classes'
> properties, functions, and procedures which has a naming allowance for the
> new class.
> Also, are you making brand new classes or modifying existing?
> Thanks
> Adam Z
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 5:42?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings, all!
>>
>> This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked
>> through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
>> I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of
>> homeschooling my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer,
>> mostly C++ these days.
>>
>> I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would
>> be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to
>> do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object,
>> *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export
>> dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> _______________________________________________
>> alice-teachers mailing list
>> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
>> To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers
>
>
>
> --
> Adam Ziccardi
> OPTA Flex coordinator
> OPTA NYSTRS delegate
> NYS Master Teacher <https://www.suny.edu/masterteacher/cohort/western/#z>
> Teacher Webpage <https://www.opschools.org/Domain/2958>
> (716) 209-6482
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From ptessier1958 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 17:16:26 2024
From: ptessier1958 at gmail.com (Phil Tessier)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 16:16:26 -0500
Subject: alice-teacher Deriving classes?
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OK, I see it now... that video shows moving procedures from one project
into another. He says "into a class that may or may not already exist" (in
the importing project). But, so far, I haven't seen a way to make a new
class, so this technique doesn't _create_ classes (as I had expected).
That said, *is there* a way to make my own classes?

Thanks again,
Phil

On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 2:31?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for your responses.
> I should have included the link to the tutorial in my previous email. Here
> it is now:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITzfZkpxR8
> Adam, I misspoke when I said that I'm using "Export"; I'm using "Save to
> Class File" (screenshot attached, if the mailing list let's it in). For me,
> though, it doesn't provide me with an option to name the class.
> James,
> The link in this message is to the tutorial I originally watched. It
> certainly _seems_ to apply to Alice 3.(If I'm reading his title bar
> correctly, it identifies itself as Alice 3.1.
> All,
> Could this option have existed in early versions of Alice 3, and been
> removed?
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 11:06?AM Ziccardi, Adam <aziccardi at opschools.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Phil,
>> Welcome aboard and Alice 3 is a great choice. I would like to see the
>> tutorial you are using as I am unfamiliar with an 'Export' option for a
>> class.
>> I used Save to Class File extensively when we enhanced classes'
>> properties, functions, and procedures which has a naming allowance for the
>> new class.
>> Also, are you making brand new classes or modifying existing?
>> Thanks
>> Adam Z
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 5:42?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings, all!
>>>
>>> This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked
>>> through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
>>> I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of
>>> homeschooling my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer,
>>> mostly C++ these days.
>>>
>>> I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would
>>> be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to
>>> do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object,
>>> *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export
>>> dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> alice-teachers mailing list
>>> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
>>> To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
>>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Adam Ziccardi
>> OPTA Flex coordinator
>> OPTA NYSTRS delegate
>> NYS Master Teacher <https://www.suny.edu/masterteacher/cohort/western/#z>
>> Teacher Webpage <https://www.opschools.org/Domain/2958>
>> (716) 209-6482
>> _______________________________________________
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From pleasantphrases at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 18:38:31 2024
From: pleasantphrases at gmail.com (Sara Masters)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 18:38:31 -0400
Subject: alice-teacher Please change my email (for list)
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Hi,

Could you please change my email to
*pleasantphrases at gmail.com <pleasantphrases at gmail.com>*

Thanks,
Sara

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> Phil, welcome to the group. The problem you describe really threw me for a
> loop when I started using Alice 3.
>
> I think the video you watched might have been for Alice 2, or maybe the
> person who made it was still thinking in Alice 2 terms. Try this video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITzfZkpxR8
>
> There is actually no way to create your own class in Alice 3. It?s not
> object oriented in that sense. What you can do is create methods for one of
> the existing classes, export the methods, and import them into the same
> class in a different project, like Don does in the video.
>
> If you want to see what Alice is doing with the classes and objects, I
> recommend exporting the Alice 3 project to NetBeans, and then opening it in
> NetBeans. You?ll see that the project has injected classes into the
> hierarchy. Alice 3 allows you to modify those injected classes with new
> methods, but you can?t inject your own classes.
>
> You can do whatever you want in Java in NetBeans, but you can?t bring it
> back into Alice.
>
> James
> ?
> James Vanderhyde
> Associate Professor
> Computer Science
> Saint Xavier University
> 3700 W. 103rd St.
> Chicago, IL 60655
> 773-298-3454
> vanderhyde at sxu.edu
> sxu.edu
>
> On Oct 31, 2024, at 9:25?AM, Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings, all!
>
> This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked
> through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
> I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of homeschooling
> my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer, mostly C++
> these days.
>
> I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would
> be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to
> do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object,
> *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export
> dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
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> Hi Phil,
> Welcome aboard and Alice 3 is a great choice. I would like to see the
> tutorial you are using as I am unfamiliar with an 'Export' option for a
> class.
> I used Save to Class File extensively when we enhanced classes' properties,
> functions, and procedures which has a naming allowance for the new class.
> Also, are you making brand new classes or modifying existing?
> Thanks
> Adam Z
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 5:42?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Greetings, all!
> >
> > This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked
> > through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
> > I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of
> homeschooling
> > my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer, mostly C++
> > these days.
> >
> > I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would
> > be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports
> to
> > do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my
> object,
> > *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export
> > dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> > _______________________________________________
> > alice-teachers mailing list
> > alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> > To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
> > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers
>
>
>
> --
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> OPTA Flex coordinator
> OPTA NYSTRS delegate
> NYS Master Teacher <https://www.suny.edu/masterteacher/cohort/western/#z>
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From ptessier1958 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 19:49:58 2024
From: ptessier1958 at gmail.com (Phil Tessier)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 18:49:58 -0500
Subject: alice-teacher Please change my email (for list)
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Sara,
Not to speak for the administrators, but I think you can do that at:
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 6:46?PM Sara Masters <pleasantphrases at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Could you please change my email to
> *pleasantphrases at gmail.com <pleasantphrases at gmail.com>*
>
> Thanks,
> Sara
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>> From: "Vanderhyde, James" <vanderhyde at sxu.edu>
>> To: Alice educators <alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
>> Subject: Re: alice-teacher Deriving classes?
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>> Phil, welcome to the group. The problem you describe really threw me for
>> a loop when I started using Alice 3.
>>
>> I think the video you watched might have been for Alice 2, or maybe the
>> person who made it was still thinking in Alice 2 terms. Try this video:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITzfZkpxR8
>>
>> There is actually no way to create your own class in Alice 3. It?s not
>> object oriented in that sense. What you can do is create methods for one of
>> the existing classes, export the methods, and import them into the same
>> class in a different project, like Don does in the video.
>>
>> If you want to see what Alice is doing with the classes and objects, I
>> recommend exporting the Alice 3 project to NetBeans, and then opening it in
>> NetBeans. You?ll see that the project has injected classes into the
>> hierarchy. Alice 3 allows you to modify those injected classes with new
>> methods, but you can?t inject your own classes.
>>
>> You can do whatever you want in Java in NetBeans, but you can?t bring it
>> back into Alice.
>>
>> James
>> ?
>> James Vanderhyde
>> Associate Professor
>> Computer Science
>> Saint Xavier University
>> 3700 W. 103rd St.
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>> 773-298-3454
>> vanderhyde at sxu.edu
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>> On Oct 31, 2024, at 9:25?AM, Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings, all!
>>
>> This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked
>> through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
>> I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of
>> homeschooling my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer,
>> mostly C++ these days.
>>
>> I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would
>> be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to
>> do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object,
>> *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export
>> dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
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>> From: "Ziccardi, Adam" <aziccardi at opschools.org>
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>> Hi Phil,
>> Welcome aboard and Alice 3 is a great choice. I would like to see the
>> tutorial you are using as I am unfamiliar with an 'Export' option for a
>> class.
>> I used Save to Class File extensively when we enhanced classes'
>> properties,
>> functions, and procedures which has a naming allowance for the new class.
>> Also, are you making brand new classes or modifying existing?
>> Thanks
>> Adam Z
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 5:42?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings, all!
>> >
>> > This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked
>> > through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
>> > I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of
>> homeschooling
>> > my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer, mostly C++
>> > these days.
>> >
>> > I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would
>> > be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which
>> purports to
>> > do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my
>> object,
>> > *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export
>> > dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Phil
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From Gloria.Barron at montgomerycollege.edu  Sun Nov  3 20:10:56 2024
From: Gloria.Barron at montgomerycollege.edu (Barron, Gloria E)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 01:10:56 +0000
Subject: alice-teacher Deriving classes?
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What he means is that the procedure belongs to a class.
A biped class.

Gloria Barron, M.Ed.
Instructional Designer
Office of e-Learning, Innovation, and Teaching Excellence
Montgomery College, MD
240-567-6974
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From: alice-teachers <alice-teachers-bounces+gloria.barron=montgomerycollege.edu at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> on behalf of Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2024 5:16:26 PM
To: Alice educators <alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: alice-teacher Deriving classes?

OK, I see it now... that video shows moving procedures from one project into another. He says "into a class that may or may not already exist" (in the importing project). But, so far, I haven't seen a way to make a new class, so this technique doesn't _create_ classes (as I had expected).
That said, *is there* a way to make my own classes?

Thanks again,
Phil

On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 2:31?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com<mailto:ptessier1958 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank you for your responses.
I should have included the link to the tutorial in my previous email. Here it is now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITzfZkpxR8
Adam, I misspoke when I said that I'm using "Export"; I'm using "Save to Class File" (screenshot attached, if the mailing list let's it in). For me, though, it doesn't provide me with an option to name the class.
James,
The link in this message is to the tutorial I originally watched. It certainly _seems_ to apply to Alice 3.(If I'm reading his title bar correctly, it identifies itself as Alice 3.1.
All,
Could this option have existed in early versions of Alice 3, and been removed?
Thanks,
Phil

On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 11:06?AM Ziccardi, Adam <aziccardi at opschools.org<mailto:aziccardi at opschools.org>> wrote:
Hi Phil,
Welcome aboard and Alice 3 is a great choice. I would like to see the tutorial you are using as I am unfamiliar with an 'Export' option for a class.
I used Save to Class File extensively when we enhanced classes' properties, functions, and procedures which has a naming allowance for the new class.
Also, are you making brand new classes or modifying existing?
Thanks
Adam Z

On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 5:42?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com<mailto:ptessier1958 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Greetings, all!

This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of homeschooling my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer, mostly C++ these days.

I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object, *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?

Thanks,
Phil
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From Gloria.Barron at montgomerycollege.edu  Mon Nov  4 09:50:45 2024
From: Gloria.Barron at montgomerycollege.edu (Barron, Gloria E)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 14:50:45 +0000
Subject: alice-teacher Deriving classes?
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Try using constructors.
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From: Barron, Gloria E <Gloria.Barron at montgomerycollege.edu>
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2024 8:10 PM
To: Alice educators <alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: alice-teacher Deriving classes?

What he means is that the procedure belongs to a class.
A biped class.

Gloria Barron, M.Ed.
Instructional Designer
Office of e-Learning, Innovation, and Teaching Excellence
Montgomery College, MD
240-567-6974
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From: alice-teachers <alice-teachers-bounces+gloria.barron=montgomerycollege.edu at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> on behalf of Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2024 5:16:26 PM
To: Alice educators <alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: alice-teacher Deriving classes?

OK, I see it now... that video shows moving procedures from one project into another. He says "into a class that may or may not already exist" (in the importing project). But, so far, I haven't seen a way to make a new class, so this technique doesn't _create_ classes (as I had expected).
That said, *is there* a way to make my own classes?

Thanks again,
Phil

On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 2:31?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com<mailto:ptessier1958 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank you for your responses.
I should have included the link to the tutorial in my previous email. Here it is now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITzfZkpxR8
Adam, I misspoke when I said that I'm using "Export"; I'm using "Save to Class File" (screenshot attached, if the mailing list let's it in). For me, though, it doesn't provide me with an option to name the class.
James,
The link in this message is to the tutorial I originally watched. It certainly _seems_ to apply to Alice 3.(If I'm reading his title bar correctly, it identifies itself as Alice 3.1.
All,
Could this option have existed in early versions of Alice 3, and been removed?
Thanks,
Phil

On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 11:06?AM Ziccardi, Adam <aziccardi at opschools.org<mailto:aziccardi at opschools.org>> wrote:
Hi Phil,
Welcome aboard and Alice 3 is a great choice. I would like to see the tutorial you are using as I am unfamiliar with an 'Export' option for a class.
I used Save to Class File extensively when we enhanced classes' properties, functions, and procedures which has a naming allowance for the new class.
Also, are you making brand new classes or modifying existing?
Thanks
Adam Z

On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 5:42?PM Phil Tessier <ptessier1958 at gmail.com<mailto:ptessier1958 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Greetings, all!

This is my first post, having just joined the mailing list. I looked through the archives, but didn't find anything related to my question.
I'm new to Alice3, having started with it for the purpose of homeschooling my girls in programming. I'm an experienced OOP programmer, mostly C++ these days.

I want to create my own class, the properties and methods of which would be available to other classes. I found a tutorial online, which purports to do this. One of the important steps of that method is to Export my object, *with a new name*. But, while I'm able to export my object, the Export dialog doesn't provide a "rename" option. What am I missing?

Thanks,
Phil
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From djslater107 at mac.com  Fri Nov 22 21:40:37 2024
From: djslater107 at mac.com (Donald Slater)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 21:40:37 -0500
Subject: alice-teacher Changing Ground Textures in Alice 3
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Attachment available until Dec 22, 2024
Tiffany,
I have attached a short video that demonstrates how to start in a grass world scene and change to an a=ocean scene, and then back again in Alice 3. Please let me know if you have any trouble with the attachment, or any further questions.

Click to Download
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If you do have problems with the attachment, you might try this link:

	https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhfwj1f93cb737w/ChangingScene.mp4?dl=0


All the best,

Don Slater
For the Alice Project



> On Nov 21, 2024, at 9:59?AM, noreply at cmu.edu wrote:
> 
> First Name
>  	Tiffany
> Last Name
>  	Abner
> Email
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> Reason For Contacting Us
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> Comment
>  	I am trying to learn how to switch worlds in one Alice project. For example start in the grass world then go to a ocean world. Is that possible?
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