alice-teacher Alice 2 or 3?

Tue Aug 21 09:36:30 EDT 2012

This seems like a great start, Don. I don't have any thoughts for additions at the moment. Thank you very much! I am creating materials for middle school students and will stay with 2.x for now. Though later I will probably need to create a follow-up course for high school and will use 3.x as we will segue into most of the Java concepts for AP. 

Yes, Don, your help has been amazing and we all appreciate it. And this is for open source software...if only I could get such timely and detailed responses for applications I have paid for! You're the best! 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Slater" <dslater at andrew.cmu.edu> 
To: "Alice educators" <alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:13:18 AM 
Subject: Re: alice-teacher Alice 2 or 3? 

Let me share with everyone a document I am working on to be posted on the web, an Alice Suite "Decision Tree", an attempt to help people decide which tool in the Alice Suite they should use in their course. Take a look at it, and let me know what questions you might have, and what suggestions you might make so that the document is more helpful. 

All the best, 
Don Slater 

On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Laurie Solomon Cohen < lscohen613 at aol.com > wrote: 

Thanks Lance. I was thinking the same thing, as my upcoming 12th grade class is probably more at 8 or 9 level. I want them to have success with whatever we do. The objectives you list are the same--very basic problem solving, analytical thinking and basic syntax. Then we move onto another program. I've had very good experience with Alice 2.2, but we still couldn't get it to export as a video or webpage, so it was impossible for the students to share their projects with non-Alice viewers. They created a basic HTML webpage/portfolio as their end-of-semester project to showcase all their work, and couldn't include their Alice projects ! Any suggestions? 

Laurie Cohen 
Technology Coordinator/Business Instructor 
Yeshiva of Greater Washington 
Silver Spring, Maryland LCohen at yeshiva.edu 
LSCohen613 at aol.com 
240-793-1269 cell 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lance Allen < lanceallen.allen at gmail.com > 
To: Alice educators < alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > 
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:13 am 
Subject: Re: alice-teacher Alice 2 or 3? 

Laurie, 
I use Alice v2.2 for my 9th graders at Beth Tfiloh. I do this because the majoriity of the students have never been exposed to 'programming'. I use v2.2 to teach/demonstrate sound practices in structure, style, fundamental syntax, debugging, and problem solving skills. I have had great success with v2.2 and 97% of the students continue with Computer Science into the 10th grade Advanced Placement (AP) course. 

Alice v3.0 is a great program. I have been playing with it for almost 2 years now as it was being developed. I personally like that you can begin an animation using Alice and mid-way into the program you can export everything to Java. (Although it is a one-way street - you can not convert your Java back into Alice.) The reason I am not currently contemplating incorporating it into the curriculumn is because I do not believe my 9s would be successful with it and I do not have time to include Java Swing syntax in their lessons. 

I hope this helps and have a G-R-E-A-T school year. 
Lance Allen 

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Laurie Solomon Cohen < lscohen613 at aol.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>
I have a similar question, but almost in reverse. We are using the original textbook that goes with Alice 2. We have already set up our computer labs for the upcoming school year (starting in 2 weeks) with Alice 2.2. 
Although we did have some troubles with Alice 2.2 last year, I had planned to continue with it for me upcoming students are low high school students, who have never done any programming, and I wanted to just introduce them to programming and do some very basic projects. 
Do you think it is OK for me to continue with 2.2 and the textbooks, or should I really switch to 3 and use on-line lessons and assignments instead of using the textbook? 
Suggestions and recommendations are appreciated! 

Laurie Cohen 
Technology Coordinator/Business Instructor 
Yeshiva of Greater Washington 
Silver Spring, Maryland LCohen at yeshiva.edu 
LSCohen613 at aol.com 
240-793-1269 cell 

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