From bwebb at inf.ed.ac.uk  Wed Aug  5 09:45:15 2015
From: bwebb at inf.ed.ac.uk (Barbara Webb)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:45:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] New book on Brussels manuscript
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.10.1508051425550.9553@windgassen.inf.ed.ac.uk>


I think someone here asked whether anyone had seen the new book: "The 
Brussels Basse Danse Book: A Critical Edition" (2015) by Robert Mullally.

I've got a copy and have been reading it with interest, but a number of 
issues. Specifically, Mullally argues that each 'breve' in the 
manuscript should be taken to be four beats (with further subdivision into 
3s; essentially the way Arbeau presents his basse danse 'Jouyassance').
Whereas my working assumption (which I think is fairly widespread) is that 
a basse danse breve is 2 beats of 3, i.e., a bar of 6/4. Mullally 
would have his 4/4 interpretation apply to Danse de Cleves and Roti boully
as well, which I think starts to put him on very thin ground.

I've discussed this at greater length in some posts at my blog:
http://medievalmusician.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/timing.html
http://medievalmusician.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/how-slow-for-danse-de-cleves.html
http://medievalmusician.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/roast-and-boiled.html

I'd be very happy to hear any other view points on these issues 
(discussion either on this list or in blog comments welcome).

cheers

Caitlin


-- 
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.


From mrailing2 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 25 22:02:10 2015
From: mrailing2 at yahoo.com (Mary Railing)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:02:10 -0700
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Dance at the SCA 50 Celebration
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There will be time for over a week of classes, but what would people like to see other than classes?

	Historical format balls, such as a Caroso Ball or Ulm Ball? In the afternoon or in the evening?

	Games/competitions, such as Name that (Dance) Tune or a galliard challenge?

	Rehearsing and staging a dance masque or spectacle of some sort?

	SCA historical dance, featuring dances from the early days of the Society?

	Ball featuring certain styles of dance?

	Ball hosted by a particular kingdom?

	Something else?

--Urraca Yriarte de Gamboa

From kwdsviii at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 12:19:55 2015
From: kwdsviii at gmail.com (Urraca Yriarte)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:19:55 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Year Celebration
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There will be time for over a week of classes, but what would people
like to see other than classes?

    Historical format balls, such as a Caroso Ball or Ulm Ball? In the
afternoon or in the evening?

    Games/competitions, such as Name that (Dance) Tune or a galliard challenge?

    Rehearsing and staging a dance masque or spectacle of some sort?

    SCA historical dance, featuring dances from the early days of the Society?

    Ball featuring certain styles of dance?

    Ball hosted by a particular kingdom?

    Something else?

--Urraca Yriarte de Gamboa

From ginevra.boscoli at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 13:15:54 2015
From: ginevra.boscoli at yahoo.com (Ginevra Boscoli)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:15:54 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Year Celebration
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A reprise of the Masque at Coleorton!

Ginevra

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> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Urraca Yriarte <kwdsviii at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There will be time for over a week of classes, but what would people
> like to see other than classes?
> 
>    Historical format balls, such as a Caroso Ball or Ulm Ball? In the
> afternoon or in the evening?
> 
>    Games/competitions, such as Name that (Dance) Tune or a galliard challenge?
> 
>    Rehearsing and staging a dance masque or spectacle of some sort?
> 
>    SCA historical dance, featuring dances from the early days of the Society?
> 
>    Ball featuring certain styles of dance?
> 
>    Ball hosted by a particular kingdom?
> 
>    Something else?
> 
> --Urraca Yriarte de Gamboa
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From lindahl at pbm.com  Wed Aug 26 15:10:59 2015
From: lindahl at pbm.com (Greg Lindahl)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:10:59 -0700
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Year Celebration
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:19:55PM -0400, Urraca Yriarte wrote:

>     Games/competitions, such as Name that (Dance) Tune or a galliard challenge?

I had fun with a "dance with people from the most kingdoms"
competition once. Handed out pencils and index cards for scorekeeping.

Then again, I come from a relatively rare kingdom!

-- Gregory


From tmcd at panix.com  Wed Aug 26 20:10:49 2015
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:10:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Celebration
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Has anyone ever done a contest where a bunch of dancers are strewn
about the floor, music starts playing, and they have to, on their own,
recognize the dance, form sets, and start dancing?

Danielis Lindonium
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com



From tmcd at panix.com  Wed Aug 26 20:14:29 2015
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:14:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Celebration
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
> Has anyone ever done a contest where a bunch of dancers are strewn
> about the floor, music starts playing, and they have to, on their own,
> recognize the dance, form sets, and start dancing?

Maybe that's what "Name that (Dance) Tune" means?  If so, I guess I
just failed at "Name that 'Name that (Dance) Tune'".

Danihel de Lindecolina
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 21:21:52 2015
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 21:21:52 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Celebration
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Yup, something like it has been done.

At KWDS in Seattle I believe, the musicians did it as a dancer challenge.
But they did have us form up into 2 couple sets, for one of the "suites".

The funny thing was that they played one tune, that in their region was
used for a 2 couple dance, but in my region, it had its own dance that
required 3 couples.  No one knew the 2 couple version, so I ran and grabbed
a couple from another set, and started dancing the real dance (the one with
the same name as the tune).  I think the musicians were rather confused.  :)

I've also run my Hour of Dance, which is an hour of dancing, with just the
pauses between tracks on an mp3 player.  But for that, I do tend to tell
people which formation to switch to in those few seconds.

I've been finding that, while in theory you could just put on music and let
people either figure out the dance, or improvise another one, you either
need them to be well known enough, or to have the same formation, or
another option would be if messing up dances on purpose (like Rufty Tufty
to Washerwoman's Bransle, for example), if you give just a few minutes to
plan before the music starts, the dancers can come up with some neat
variations.  (I've been wanting to run a dance class / fun hour session of
that).

Oh, and one other example, is Margaret Raynsford once did a class where she
spliced together the verses and choruses of 9 ECDs, so we danced 1 ECD
dance for about 30 minutes, with 27 verses and choruses.  :)  That was fun!

Darius



On 26 August 2015 at 20:14, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
> > Has anyone ever done a contest where a bunch of dancers are strewn
> > about the floor, music starts playing, and they have to, on their own,
> > recognize the dance, form sets, and start dancing?
>
> Maybe that's what "Name that (Dance) Tune" means?  If so, I guess I
> just failed at "Name that 'Name that (Dance) Tune'".
>
> Danihel de Lindecolina
> --
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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From mrailing2 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 21:32:08 2015
From: mrailing2 at yahoo.com (Mary Railing)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:32:08 -0700
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Year Celebration
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That would be a good challenge at 50 Year.

--Urraca
--------------------------------------------
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 Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Year Celebration
 To: "Urraca Yriarte" <kwdsviii at gmail.com>
 Cc: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
 Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 3:10 PM
 
 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at
 12:19:55PM -0400, Urraca Yriarte wrote:
 
 >? ???Games/competitions, such
 as Name that (Dance) Tune or a galliard challenge?
 
 I had fun with a "dance
 with people from the most kingdoms"
 competition once. Handed out pencils and index
 cards for scorekeeping.
 
 Then again, I come from a relatively rare
 kingdom!
 
 -- Gregory
 
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From gwommy at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 22:41:08 2015
From: gwommy at gmail.com (Gwommy)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 22:41:08 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Celebration
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The only thing that I can add to Darius' post is that at late night Pennsic dancing, I've replaced the musician's sheet music with different tunes for each repeat of the music and the 3 couples dancing had to do the verse and chorus for that tune. 

For example, I'd have the musician play one repeat of the music for Black Nag, Stingo and Scotch Cap. The dancers would do doubles and the first chorus for Black Nag, siding and 2nd chorus for Stingo, and Arming and 3rd chorus for Scotch Cap. If continuing for a 4th tune, they'd start back at doubles and the first chorus of the new tune, etc. 

--Gwommy
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2015, at 9:21 PM, David Learmonth <david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup, something like it has been done.
> 
> At KWDS in Seattle I believe, the musicians did it as a dancer challenge.
> But they did have us form up into 2 couple sets, for one of the "suites".
> 
> The funny thing was that they played one tune, that in their region was
> used for a 2 couple dance, but in my region, it had its own dance that
> required 3 couples.  No one knew the 2 couple version, so I ran and grabbed
> a couple from another set, and started dancing the real dance (the one with
> the same name as the tune).  I think the musicians were rather confused.  :)
> 
> I've also run my Hour of Dance, which is an hour of dancing, with just the
> pauses between tracks on an mp3 player.  But for that, I do tend to tell
> people which formation to switch to in those few seconds.
> 
> I've been finding that, while in theory you could just put on music and let
> people either figure out the dance, or improvise another one, you either
> need them to be well known enough, or to have the same formation, or
> another option would be if messing up dances on purpose (like Rufty Tufty
> to Washerwoman's Bransle, for example), if you give just a few minutes to
> plan before the music starts, the dancers can come up with some neat
> variations.  (I've been wanting to run a dance class / fun hour session of
> that).
> 
> Oh, and one other example, is Margaret Raynsford once did a class where she
> spliced together the verses and choruses of 9 ECDs, so we danced 1 ECD
> dance for about 30 minutes, with 27 verses and choruses.  :)  That was fun!
> 
> Darius
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 August 2015 at 20:14, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
>>> Has anyone ever done a contest where a bunch of dancers are strewn
>>> about the floor, music starts playing, and they have to, on their own,
>>> recognize the dance, form sets, and start dancing?
>> 
>> Maybe that's what "Name that (Dance) Tune" means?  If so, I guess I
>> just failed at "Name that 'Name that (Dance) Tune'".
>> 
>> Danihel de Lindecolina
>> --
>> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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From rosina at pathcom.com  Fri Aug 28 10:35:45 2015
From: rosina at pathcom.com (rosina at pathcom.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:35:45 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Celebration
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In the early 90s we used to do it in Il Pomo Verde, an Italian  
Renaissance dance troupe I was a member of.  But it wasn't a contest,  
just an exercise in class.

Balliamo,
Rosina

Quoting Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>:

> Has anyone ever done a contest where a bunch of dancers are strewn
> about the floor, music starts playing, and they have to, on their own,
> recognize the dance, form sets, and start dancing?
>
> Danielis Lindonium
> --
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
>
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From kwdsviii at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 11:02:48 2015
From: kwdsviii at gmail.com (Urraca Yriarte)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:02:48 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Celebration
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It could be done as a game, rather than a contest with a "winner".
Would people come to something that was a game, rather than a class?

--Urraca

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:35 AM,  <rosina at pathcom.com> wrote:
> In the early 90s we used to do it in Il Pomo Verde, an Italian
> Renaissance dance troupe I was a member of.  But it wasn't a contest,
> just an exercise in class.
>
> Balliamo,
> Rosina
>
> Quoting Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>:
>
>> Has anyone ever done a contest where a bunch of dancers are strewn
>> about the floor, music starts playing, and they have to, on their own,
>> recognize the dance, form sets, and start dancing?
>>
>> Danielis Lindonium
>> --
>> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
>>
>>
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From tmcd at panix.com  Mon Aug 31 11:41:22 2015
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
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Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance at the SCA 50 Celebration
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Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>:
> Has anyone ever done a contest where a bunch of dancers are strewn
> about the floor, music starts playing, and they have to, on their own,
> recognize the dance, form sets, and start dancing?

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015, Urraca Yriarte <kwdsviii at gmail.com> wrote:
> It could be done as a game, rather than a contest with a "winner".
> Would people come to something that was a game, rather than a class?

"Contest" was a bad choice: personally, I don't like the stress of
competition.  "Game" makes me think of competition.  I like the
suggestion of "exercise" or even just "class" or whatever.
With explanation, of course.

Danihel Lindum Colonia
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com