From rosina at pathcom.com  Thu May  1 14:49:33 2014
From: rosina at pathcom.com (rosina at pathcom.com)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 14:49:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] 1500 rip rip trab trab?
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Mercanzia + Sobria, a matched pair of dances by Domenico, both have the 
men in the back separate with riprese on one foot, all done to the same 
side. There was also a lot of improvisation done with these steps, that 
is usually not described. (See Sparti's article on Rostiboli Fiorito 
for more info, and the explanatory notes att he beginning of various 
manuals.) Adding one or, if good, two extra ornamental movements on the 
end of a step would be done - so doing 2 riprese on one foot, and then 
throwing in 2 quick little trabs, sounds to me like a perfectly 
15th-century thing to do. Except all that would be done in the time one 
would normally do one (or maybe two) riprese. No extra time for the 
trabs.

Rosina

----- Message from tmcd at panix.com ---------

> I don't suppose there's evidence in Italian dance in 1500 or before of
> little sideways steps repeated in the same direction?  I looked
> briefly in the Terp booklet at Domenico dances, but the glance
> suggested that they appeared in pairs right and left.
>
> It's just me worrying at Gresley dances _again_.  I happened to think
> of the 16th C ripresa ripresa trabuchetto trabuchetto and realized
> that the movement would look like a rake.
>
> Danett de Linccolne

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From marianne at historiaviva.org  Thu May  1 16:54:50 2014
From: marianne at historiaviva.org (Marianne Perdomo)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 21:54:50 +0100
Subject: [SCA-Dance] 1500 rip rip trab trab?
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Very interesting!  Thank you!
I've long wondered what could be the connection to the reprisa minuta. Any
ideas?

Marianne / Leonor
?

From charlene281 at gmail.com  Thu May  1 21:37:54 2014
From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene C)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 20:37:54 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Article for Dance Musicians
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Margaret Roe <mlysett at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly (I'm at work, so I can't go check), there is a lovely version for this dance on In Timely Measure Move: http://www.amazon.com/Timely-Measure-Queens-HaPenny-Consort/dp/B00G5X6XUM .  Some of their other pieces are really hit or miss to how well they actually work (the group does "modified" versions of some of these dances), but I think this piece was right.
>

I'm guessing you're referring to their Contrapasso. It's a little
brisk for beginners, but danceable. Unfortunately, the sound clip
isn't long enough to know if the repeats are correct.

They have two CDs, each with a version of Bella Gioiosa. That's
another song I've been looking for. I'm not thrilled with either of
the two versions I have. I may have to spend a couple of bucks to
check these out.

Thanks,
--Perronnelle

From charlene281 at gmail.com  Thu May  1 21:49:26 2014
From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene C)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 20:49:26 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Need assistance, please
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On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Kathleen - Yahoo
<rignachargyll at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> 1) Can someone email me the pattern of the steps to Graca Amoroso along with
> the name or a link to the music. I may have the piece on a recording here
> somewhere. I have danced this in the past for demos, so I can dust off the
> skills with a bit of a prompt.

Google "Gracca Amorosa" (note the spelling) and you will get several
links to SCA-created videos and class handouts.


> For her dance to teach:
> 2) Can someone recommend a simple-to-teach (she has to teach it) dance that
> an Italian Courtesan would have known, along with music links, or name of
> the piece. I think her persona is pretty late period 1550-1600ish.

I find Villanella is an easy dance for beginning 16th C dancers. It's
in Il Ballarino.


--Perronnelle

From charlene281 at gmail.com  Thu May  1 21:50:18 2014
From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene C)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 20:50:18 -0500
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Well, pooh. Thanks for letting me know before I spent the money.

--Perronnelle

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Margaret Roe <mlysett at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Perronnelle,
>
> Their Bella Gioiosa has a significantly truncated repeat structure.  The
> group for which this music was recorded does a version of the Bella Gioiosa
> that cuts off the last 4 verses.  The same can be said about their
> Spagnoletta recording, but I'm not sure about the other dances off the top
> of my head, except that the Castellana recording is pretty good.
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:37 PM, Charlene C <charlene281 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm guessing you're referring to their Contrapasso. It's a little
> brisk for beginners, but danceable. Unfortunately, the sound clip
> isn't long enough to know if the repeats are correct.
>
> They have two CDs, each with a version of Bella Gioiosa. That's
> another song I've been looking for. I'm not thrilled with either of
> the two versions I have. I may have to spend a couple of bucks to
> check these out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Perronnelle
>
>

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Fri May  2 03:18:06 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 03:18:06 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Need assistance, please
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Wow.  Strange delay in receiving list messages.  I just got your email a
few hours ago  (when it appears to have been sent a Month ago?).

I just wanted to say something, so that you know that we weren't trying to
ignore you!

I'm actually travelling to an event in a few hours (long ways away), but in
case people haven't gotten back to you by Monday, assuming it is still
useful to you, let me know and I'll try to find some info.

In a pinch, I would recommend:
https://www.youtube.com/user/mrailing2/videos

Urraca has an instructional video for Gracca.


And for other dances to teach, I think you might try Contrapasso.  In
particular, the Chigi manuscript version is really nice.  Here it is on my
channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piBz-SRrwII


At the bottom of this page is the Terpsichore XX Booklet, if you need a
Cheat Sheet for Gracca and Contrapasso  (may be a different version of
Contrapasso, but it is similar.  The one in the video is actually a bit
simpler than the current Terp version.  Margaret Roe did the reconstruction
I believe.)

http://cynnabar.org/eurodance


Darius




On 3 April 2014 10:19, Kathleen - Yahoo <rignachargyll at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello Dance Masters,
>
> I need some desperate help please. I need to help my Candidate for the
> Madrone Sergeantry learn to Dance! This sounds pretty extreme, but she can
> dance (line dancing) and I have some Dance Awards from back in the days of
> the West. So :
>
> For her demo:
> 1) Can someone email me the pattern of the steps to Graca Amoroso along
> with
> the name or a link to the music. I may have the piece on a recording here
> somewhere. I have danced this in the past for demos, so I can dust off the
> skills with a bit of a prompt.
>
> For her dance to teach:
> 2) Can someone recommend a simple-to-teach (she has to teach it) dance that
> an Italian Courtesan would have known, along with music links, or name of
> the piece. I think her persona is pretty late period 1550-1600ish.
>
> We have four and a half months to learn the music and steps, so no time to
> waste.
>
>
>
> Lady Rignach of Argyll
> Lancer of Madrone
>
>
>
>
>
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From jducoeur at gmail.com  Fri May  2 08:16:16 2014
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 08:16:16 -0400
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On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Kathleen - Yahoo <rignachargyll at yahoo.co.uk
> wrote:

> For her dance to teach:
> 2) Can someone recommend a simple-to-teach (she has to teach it) dance that
> an Italian Courtesan would have known, along with music links, or name of
> the piece. I think her persona is pretty late period 1550-1600ish.


My usual pick for easy late-period Italian is Alta
Regina<http://jducoeur.org/IlBallarino/Book2/Alta%20Regina.html>.
 While there's a fair amount of text there, it's basically six easy verses,
and a dead-simple chorus...

From mrailing2 at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 13:06:23 2014
From: mrailing2 at yahoo.com (Mary Railing)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 10:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Need assistance, please
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The difficulty with teaching 16th century Italian dances lies in finding recorded music. Almost all the easier ones that I teach use music that is no longer available or which was never available online. The only easy one I could think of that is readily available is Fedelta, which is a country-dance-like circle for as many as will. The music track can be downloaded from CD Baby (Artist: Musica Subterranea, album: Cornucopia). Instructions here:
http://www.rendancedb.org/dance_detail.php?id=181

Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wpGQF_TGgY

--Urraca
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On Thu, 4/3/14, Kathleen - Yahoo <rignachargyll at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Need assistance, please
 To: "'SCA Dance'" <sca-dance at sca-dance.org>, trahaearn at live.com
 Date: Thursday, April 3, 2014, 10:19 AM
 
 Hello Dance Masters,
 
 I need some desperate help please. I need to help my
 Candidate for the
 Madrone Sergeantry learn to Dance! This sounds pretty
 extreme, but she can
 dance (line dancing) and I have some Dance Awards from back
 in the days of
 the West. So :
 
 For her demo:
 1) Can someone email me the pattern of the steps to Graca
 Amoroso along with
 the name or a link to the music. I may have the piece on a
 recording here
 somewhere. I have danced this in the past for demos, so I
 can dust off the
 skills with a bit of a prompt.
 
 For her dance to teach:
 2) Can someone recommend a simple-to-teach (she has to teach
 it) dance that
 an Italian Courtesan would have known, along with music
 links, or name of
 the piece. I think her persona is pretty late period
 1550-1600ish.
 
 We have four and a half months to learn the music and steps,
 so no time to
 waste. 
 
 
 
 Lady Rignach of Argyll
 Lancer of Madrone
 
 
 
 
 
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From mlysett at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 21:48:08 2014
From: mlysett at yahoo.com (Margaret Roe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 18:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Article for Dance Musicians
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Perronnelle,


Their Bella Gioiosa has a significantly truncated repeat structure. ?The group for which this music was recorded does a version of the Bella?Gioiosa?that cuts off the last 4 verses. ?The same can be said about their Spagnoletta recording, but I'm not sure about the other dances off the top of my head, except that the Castellana recording is pretty good.

Margaret
?

On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:37 PM, Charlene C <charlene281 at gmail.com> wrote:
 

I'm guessing you're referring to their Contrapasso. It's a little
brisk for beginners, but danceable. Unfortunately, the sound clip
isn't long enough to know if the repeats are correct.

They have two CDs, each with a version of Bella Gioiosa. That's
another song I've been looking for. I'm not thrilled with either of
the two versions I have. I may have to spend a couple of bucks to
check these out.

Thanks,

--Perronnelle