From judithsca at aol.com  Tue Jan  7 10:30:19 2014
From: judithsca at aol.com (Rachel/Judith)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:30:19 -0500 (EST)
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Salvete!
    Since the questions have been coming in, I thought I would inform the community that my bid for Known World Dance 2015 is underway and undergoing the various chains of approval - as soon as I receive the Official BoD stamp, I will let you all know. The date is tentatively set for April 15-19th, 2015. As soon as I have confirmation, I will begin soliciting ideas, suggestions and volunteers!

Judith

From tmcd at panix.com  Tue Jan  7 11:52:26 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:52:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance]
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On Tue, 7 Jan 2014, Rachel/Judith <judithsca at aol.com> wrote:
> The date is tentatively
> set for April 15-19th, 2015. As soon as I have confirmation, I will
> begin soliciting ideas, suggestions and volunteers!

Is there a general notion of a location?

Daniel Lindonium
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From immartens at gmail.com  Wed Jan  8 11:59:04 2014
From: immartens at gmail.com (Ian Martens)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 10:59:04 -0600
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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Hello all,

I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I
could attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific
event please let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to
get involved in the dance community all over the knowne world.

Ozzy
Castel Rouge

From tmcd at panix.com  Wed Jan  8 14:02:33 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:02:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, Ian Martens <immartens at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I
> could attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific
> event please let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to
> get involved in the dance community all over the knowne world.

Well, it's a one-time thing, but
http://bryn-gwlad.ansteorra.org/events/danceAndMusic2014/index.php
Saturday, February 22, 2014
Austin, Texas

Danielis de Lindocollino
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From ianthe at gmail.com  Wed Jan  8 14:12:45 2014
From: ianthe at gmail.com (Nadine)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:12:45 -0600
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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Well, hopefully Ansteorra Kingdom dance happens every two years.

Lowrie.


On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, Ian Martens <immartens at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I
> > could attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific
> > event please let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to
> > get involved in the dance community all over the knowne world.
>
> Well, it's a one-time thing, but
> http://bryn-gwlad.ansteorra.org/events/danceAndMusic2014/index.php
> Saturday, February 22, 2014
> Austin, Texas
>
> Danielis de Lindocollino
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From jducoeur at gmail.com  Wed Jan  8 14:15:43 2014
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 14:15:43 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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The East has several.  In this neck of the woods, the ancient and
traditional one is the Black Rose
Ball<http://www.eastkingdom.org/EventDetails.html?eid=2573>in the
Barony of the Bridge (Rhode Island), which wasn't new when I
started, 30 years ago...


On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Ian Martens <immartens at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I
> could attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific
> event please let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to
> get involved in the dance community all over the knowne world.
>
> Ozzy
> Castel Rouge
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From ss0700 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  8 23:39:40 2014
From: ss0700 at yahoo.com (Sheldon the Just)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 20:39:40 -0800 (PST)
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Greetings

As
 was mentioned previously, the East Kingdom has quite a few annual dance
 events.? In the Central Region of the East Kingdom, the annual ones 
that are currently on the calendar are :

February 8 , 2014 - Dancing Fox ( Nordenhal ) http://www.eastkingdom.org/EventDetails.html?eid=2527
March 1, 2014 - Black Rose Ball ( Bridge ) http://www.eastkingdom.org/EventDetails.html?eid=2573
April 26, 2014 - Anglespur Dinner Dance ( Anglespur ) http://www.eastkingdom.org/EventDetails.html?eid=2567
And a new one for this year :
May 2-4, 2014 - Walpurgisnacht at Stonebridge Gambol House ( Bridge ) http://www.eastkingdom.org/EventDetails.html?eid=2529

Regards
Sheldon the Just

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 00:31:20 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 00:31:20 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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Come to Canada (near Toronto) in February!  (we only promise an ice storm /
blizzard 2 out of 3 years for our event.  But this year is already looking
promising!)  :P

Feb 1st, 2014  Step Spritely
http://steps.gyges.org/

It tends to be sometime in early Feb, though normally a week later, but it
is early this year.

Out of towners are welcome to crash at our house, if you don't mind floor
space.  We slept around 15 or so people last year, and had extra fun with
Dance and Games at our house, and also a Sunday Afternoon session at a
rented Dance Studio just down the street from us, where we do some awesome
stuff for the dance geeks that are still here.  (last year Rosina ran an
advanced workshop, followed by some crazy dancing ECD creations from Jamie).

Darius
P.S.  We can't guarantee our extra time around the event, however people
often show up to our house as early as Thursday, and stay until Monday or
Tuesday.  You are welcome to as well, especially if it makes the weather
travelling better.
P.P.S.  I just checked your barony, and didn't realize that Ontario is
probably actually WARMER than Manitoba right now, so feel free to pack your
summer clothes.  :)

From sismith42 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  9 02:09:51 2014
From: sismith42 at yahoo.com (Stephanie Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 23:09:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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Hello,
There are several in Drachenwald!
Harplestane (Edinburgh, Scotland) has Dance Moot at the end of January (traditionally the weekend closest to 20 January, making it my birthday event!, but it has been known to drift into Feb).
The Barony of Knights Crossing (Mistress Judith's home in Germany, best airport usually Frankfort Main) has Acadamia della Dansa, generally in March.
Yule Ball is in Flintheath (near Norwich, England) the first weekend of December every year.
I believe that Polderslot (Netherlands) and one of the shires in Sweden also have traditional dance events, but I can't put my finger on when/where.

Cheers,
Estevana



On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:16 PM, Ian Martens <immartens at gmail.com> wrote:
 
Hello all,

I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I
could attend annually.? If your kingdom or area has a dance specific
event please let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to
get involved in the dance community all over the knowne world.

Ozzy
Castel Rouge
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From ben at houseofpung.net  Thu Jan  9 06:58:47 2014
From: ben at houseofpung.net (Benjamin Pung)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 06:58:47 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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Meridies hosts the Saltare Dance Collegium every year (http://saltare.meridies.org/events/). It is generally in mid-June, and the location varies from year to year throughout the kingdom. There should be a post on this list when the 2014 Collegium is announced.

?Lorenzo

On Jan 8, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Ian Martens <immartens at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I
> could attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific
> event please let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to
> get involved in the dance community all over the knowne world.
> 
> Ozzy
> Castel Rouge
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From mrio at umich.edu  Thu Jan  9 08:44:42 2014
From: mrio at umich.edu (Monique Rio)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 08:44:42 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Annual Dance Events List
Message-ID: <CAPY5N8X=tS9Grc1cHgbwHjPZA-te4oxzKm_4qMFOubmmH60=0A@mail.gmail.com>

Since no one has mentioned the Middle Kingdom's events, I might as well do
that.

There are two dance events that happen annually.

Terpsichore at the Tower in the Barony of Cynnabar. (Saline, MI) (Usually
happens around the end of March or beginning of April) This year it's
happening on March 29 http://cynnabar.org/terpsichore/

Crystal Ball in the Barony of Shattered Crystal (Near St. Louis, MO)
(Usually in November) I don't believe it has a date for 2014 yet.

-Jadzia

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Benjamin Pung <ben at houseofpung.net> wrote:

> Meridies hosts the Saltare Dance Collegium every year (
> http://saltare.meridies.org/events/). It is generally in mid-June, and
> the location varies from year to year throughout the kingdom. There should
> be a post on this list when the 2014 Collegium is announced.
>
> ?Lorenzo
>
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Ian Martens <immartens at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I
> > could attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific
> > event please let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to
> > get involved in the dance community all over the knowne world.
> >
> > Ozzy
> > Castel Rouge
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From elainecohen11 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 10:57:21 2014
From: elainecohen11 at gmail.com (Elaine Cohen)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
Message-ID: <CANQ+Tz2jLR5WmNZepWu62X5phVitfP4-H1=0bAO9+TqpJrS4nQ@mail.gmail.com>

In the Midrealm, Crystal Ball (in the Barony of Shattered Crystal, near
Saint Louis, MO), is held in November. Crystal Ball 31 will be on November
8, 2014.  Last year's event information is still up on their web site, if
you want to see what it's like -
http://www.shatteredcrystal.org/crystalball30/

My local barony hosts Terpsichore at the Tower, which is an annual Spring
event (late March or April), in Saline Michigan.  Terpsichore 20 will be on
March 29, 2014.  http://www.cynnabar.org/terpsichore/

(I get this list in digest form, so my apologies for duplicate posting if
someone has already mentioned these - I haven't seen it yet)

Yay, dance events!
Alina

From joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au  Wed Jan 15 15:30:20 2014
From: joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au (Joanna and Murray)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:30:20 +1100
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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Lochac has 2 other annual dance events that I know of  - the Flame Tree Ball
in May in the Shire of Adora  and the Bal d'Argent, which is held be a
different group each year. Other events, such as Rowany Festival (Barony of
Rowany at Easter) and Canterbury Faire (Barony of Southron Gaard in January)
incorporate one or more balls.

Joanna of the Beechwoods

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Behalf Of Ian Martens
Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 3:59 AM
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Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List

Hello all,

I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I could
attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific event please
let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to get involved in
the dance community all over the knowne world.

Ozzy
Castel Rouge
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From joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au  Wed Jan 15 15:30:20 2014
From: joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au (Joanna and Murray)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:30:20 +1100
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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St Vitas' Dance and Music Weekend is an annual event here in the Barony of
Politarchopolis, Kingdom of Lochac. 
13th and 14th of September this year.

Joanna of the Beechwoods

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Behalf Of Ian Martens
Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 3:59 AM
To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List

Hello all,

I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I could
attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific event please
let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to get involved in
the dance community all over the knowne world.

Ozzy
Castel Rouge
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From donnghaile at gmail.com  Wed Jan 15 15:38:13 2014
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:38:13 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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Well, local to me is this little thing called Pennsic, in Western
Pennsylvania, which I hope stays in August.

But the Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands hosts a biannual Music and
Dance event in February in Pittsburgh, PA.  This year is the off year for
it.

Brandubh


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Joanna and Murray <
joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au> wrote:

> St Vitas' Dance and Music Weekend is an annual event here in the Barony of
> Politarchopolis, Kingdom of Lochac.
> 13th and 14th of September this year.
>
> Joanna of the Beechwoods
>
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> [mailto:sca-dance-bounces+joannaandmurray=homemail.com.au at sca-dance.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Ian Martens
> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 3:59 AM
> To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
> Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
>
> Hello all,
>
> I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I could
> attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific event please
> let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to get involved in
> the dance community all over the knowne world.
>
> Ozzy
> Castel Rouge
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From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Thu Jan 16 08:09:25 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:09:25 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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Good point!  If you are looking for a LOT of dancing, you can't beat
Pennsic.  Classes all day, dancing ALL night.  You can easily do 15+ hours
a day, for nearly the whole 2 weeks.  (at least once the floor is up, or
even a portion of it!)

Darius


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Ben Cogan <donnghaile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, local to me is this little thing called Pennsic, in Western
> Pennsylvania, which I hope stays in August.
>
> But the Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands hosts a biannual Music and
> Dance event in February in Pittsburgh, PA.  This year is the off year for
> it.
>
> Brandubh
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Joanna and Murray <
> joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > St Vitas' Dance and Music Weekend is an annual event here in the Barony
> of
> > Politarchopolis, Kingdom of Lochac.
> > 13th and 14th of September this year.
> >
> > Joanna of the Beechwoods
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sca-dance-bounces+joannaandmurray=homemail.com.au at sca-dance.org
> > [mailto:sca-dance-bounces+joannaandmurray=homemail.com.au at sca-dance.org]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Ian Martens
> > Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 3:59 AM
> > To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
> > Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I could
> > attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific event
> please
> > let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to get involved in
> > the dance community all over the knowne world.
> >
> > Ozzy
> > Castel Rouge
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From tmcd at panix.com  Thu Jan 16 18:22:37 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:22:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Dafydd Cyhoeddwr?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401161721220.3030@panix1.panix.com>

If anyone has contact information for Dafydd Cyhoeddwr, would you
please let him know that the "The Picking of Stickes" link on
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~white/dlovelace.html is a broken link,
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~white/PLD/PickingofStickes.html ?

Danel de Lincoln
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From tmcd at panix.com  Thu Jan 16 19:27:18 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:27:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  MS Lansdowne 1115?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401161812490.12272@panix1.panix.com>

I just found (refound?) about MS Lansdowne 1115, which apparently has
four English country dances.  There's a message about it in
http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/sca-dance/2010-February/001350.html

"MS Lansdowne 1115 is transcribed in Cunningham, James P., "Dancing in
the Inns of Court", London, Jordan & Sons, 1965. (Appendix VIII,
p. 42-44). The transcription is included in the online paper "English
Country Dancing Before Playford - Dances from the Lansdowne
Manuscript" by Christopher Darras at
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/sca/lansdowne.html , which also
includes reconstructions."

Does anyone have the full transcription of the source to hand?  The
praetzel link covers only two.  Anyone look at them, have an opinion
of them?

(Well, Dafydd Cyhoeddwr looked at them.  He has four reconstructions
under http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~white/dlansdowne.html :
     Dance 1: Hunsdon House
     Dance 2: Spring Garden
     Dance 3: "Moot Square"
     Dance 4: "Lansdowne Lane"
I think his dance titles in quotation marks are his invented names for
the dances.  The praetzel source above says that there were indeed
four dances.)

Daniel de Lindocollino
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From upelluri at gmail.com  Thu Jan 16 20:16:10 2014
From: upelluri at gmail.com (Aaron Macks)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:16:10 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] MS Lansdowne 1115?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401161812490.12272@panix1.panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401161812490.12272@panix1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <52D8845A.1050303@gmail.com>

A couple of notes on Landsdowne:
1.  None of the dances there have names in the MS, all names are
reconstructed from cognate dances in playford or others.  I think
Cunningham was the first to do this
2.  Cunningham's transcriptions are not without error, and omit an
information about pagination.  I don't have any reason to expect errors
in this one, but they are known to be imperfect.
3.  There's a complete transcription including the diagrams in Ian
Payne's _The Almain in Britain_, it's the appendix.  This one includes
page info and notes about editorial choices.  All around a better one
then Cunningham, and comes in a useful, if dense, book

GunDormr

On 1/16/14 7:27 PM, Tim McDaniel wrote:
> I just found (refound?) about MS Lansdowne 1115, which apparently has
> four English country dances.  There's a message about it in
> http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/sca-dance/2010-February/001350.html
> 
> "MS Lansdowne 1115 is transcribed in Cunningham, James P., "Dancing in
> the Inns of Court", London, Jordan & Sons, 1965. (Appendix VIII,
> p. 42-44). The transcription is included in the online paper "English
> Country Dancing Before Playford - Dances from the Lansdowne
> Manuscript" by Christopher Darras at
> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/sca/lansdowne.html , which also
> includes reconstructions."
> 
> Does anyone have the full transcription of the source to hand?  The
> praetzel link covers only two.  Anyone look at them, have an opinion
> of them?
> 
> (Well, Dafydd Cyhoeddwr looked at them.  He has four reconstructions
> under http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~white/dlansdowne.html :
>      Dance 1: Hunsdon House
>      Dance 2: Spring Garden
>      Dance 3: "Moot Square"
>      Dance 4: "Lansdowne Lane"
> I think his dance titles in quotation marks are his invented names for
> the dances.  The praetzel source above says that there were indeed
> four dances.)
> 
> Daniel de Lindocollino
> 

-- 
_______________________________________________________
Aaron Macks(aaronm at wiglaf.org) [http://www.wiglaf.org/~aaronm ]
My sheep has seven gall bladders, that makes me the King of the Universe!

From john.white at drexel.edu  Thu Jan 16 23:49:55 2014
From: john.white at drexel.edu (White,John)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:49:55 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Dance] MS Lansdowne 1115?
In-Reply-To: <52D8845A.1050303@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401161812490.12272@panix1.panix.com>,
	<52D8845A.1050303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212599A4@MB4.drexel.edu>


________________________________________
From:  Aaron Macks [upelluri at gmail.com]

A couple of notes on Landsdowne:
1.  None of the dances there have names in the MS, all names are
reconstructed from cognate dances in playford or others.  I think
Cunningham was the first to do this
2.  Cunningham's transcriptions are not without error, and omit an
information about pagination.  I don't have any reason to expect errors
in this one, but they are known to be imperfect.
3.  There's a complete transcription including the diagrams in Ian
Payne's _The Almain in Britain_, it's the appendix.  This one includes
page info and notes about editorial choices.  All around a better one
then Cunningham, and comes in a useful, if dense, book

GunDormr

---------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, my transcriptions are from Payne's book - there *are* errors in Cunningham that
Payne fixes.

My thoughts:  The dance Cunningham equates to Lull Me Beyond Thee is nothing like
that dance except for the arrangement of the couples.  The first dance in Cunningham
is *exactly* like a Playford dance from the 1670 (I think) edition - not just the words, 
but the layout too, which in Playford makes sense but in the reproductions in both
Payne and Cunningham does not.  Since the tentative dating for Lansdowne 1115
is approx. 1648 (a year before Lovelace/Church at 1649), this is really troubling.

I taught a class on Lansdowne at (I think) the Indiana KWDS, where we actually
danced one of the dances (I wanted to do two, but we didn't complete them both).
The write-up of that class should be in the notes, and details some of these findings.

        \\Dayfdd Cyhoeddwr

From tmcd at panix.com  Fri Jan 17 00:18:39 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:18:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] MS Lansdowne 1115?
In-Reply-To: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212599A4@MB4.drexel.edu>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401161812490.12272@panix1.panix.com>,
	<52D8845A.1050303@gmail.com>
	<6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212599A4@MB4.drexel.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401162300200.6856@panix2.panix.com>

http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/sca/lansdowne.html

On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, White,John <john.white at drexel.edu> wrote:
> My thoughts: The dance Cunningham equates to Lull Me Beyond Thee is
> nothing like that dance except for the arrangement of the couples.

I've spent a few minutes looking at "[Lansdowne]" in that page.

The first verse has lines abreast sideways (perpendicular to the
original lines) going down and up.

The second verse has lines going to the walls, the ends curving in,
and sideways lines going up and down.

The third verse includes the ends going outside and meeting in the
middle.

That has enough likeness to certain major features of Lull Me Beyond
Me to make me want to look at [Lansdowne] more, and perhaps experience
with Lull Me Beyond Thee would help me interpret it.


My group finally nailed Argeers, and later did Cuckolds All a Row, and
everyone said something like "Hey, that's the training wheels for
Argeers!  We should have learned that one first!".

Daniel de Lincolia
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From upelluri at gmail.com  Sun Jan 19 14:02:21 2014
From: upelluri at gmail.com (Aaron Macks)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 14:02:21 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Robert Copelands' Dance book?
Message-ID: <52DC213D.9090000@gmail.com>

Does anyone have a PDF of the Basse Danse appendix to Alexander
Barclay/Robert Copeland's _Here begynneth the introductory to wryte, and
to pronounce frenche_?  I think it is called "Here foloweth the maner of
dauncynge of bace da?ces after the vse of Fraunce & other places
translated out of Frenche in Englysshe"

There's a scan in EEBO, but they're busted at the moment and there's
only a transcription in the archives of the LOD.

GunDormr

-- 
_______________________________________________________
Aaron Macks(aaronm at wiglaf.org) [http://www.wiglaf.org/~aaronm ]
My sheep has seven gall bladders, that makes me the King of the Universe!

From lord_oswald at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 17 12:50:31 2014
From: lord_oswald at hotmail.com (Ian Martens)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:50:31 -0600
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sca-dance Digest, Vol 98, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.783.1389891663.2052.sca-dance@sca-dance.org>
References: <mailman.783.1389891663.2052.sca-dance@sca-dance.org>
Message-ID: <CAN2Ozh6oENeC_eEWR9Y1w_R6n5okeQ7T6LYVqBQTATremW_D1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all,

Keep them coming.

Oz


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> From: "Joanna and Murray" <joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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> Lochac has 2 other annual dance events that I know of  - the Flame Tree
> Ball
> in May in the Shire of Adora  and the Bal d'Argent, which is held be a
> different group each year. Other events, such as Rowany Festival (Barony of
> Rowany at Easter) and Canterbury Faire (Barony of Southron Gaard in
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> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 3:59 AM
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> Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
>
> Hello all,
>
> I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I could
> attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific event please
> let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to get involved in
> the dance community all over the knowne world.
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> Ozzy
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> St Vitas' Dance and Music Weekend is an annual event here in the Barony of
> Politarchopolis, Kingdom of Lochac.
> 13th and 14th of September this year.
>
> Joanna of the Beechwoods
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
>
> Hello all,
>
> I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I could
> attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific event please
> let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to get involved in
> the dance community all over the knowne world.
>
> Ozzy
> Castel Rouge
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> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:38:13 -0500
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> Well, local to me is this little thing called Pennsic, in Western
> Pennsylvania, which I hope stays in August.
>
> But the Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands hosts a biannual Music and
> Dance event in February in Pittsburgh, PA.  This year is the off year for
> it.
>
> Brandubh
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Joanna and Murray <
> joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > St Vitas' Dance and Music Weekend is an annual event here in the Barony
> of
> > Politarchopolis, Kingdom of Lochac.
> > 13th and 14th of September this year.
> >
> > Joanna of the Beechwoods
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sca-dance-bounces+joannaandmurray=homemail.com.au at sca-dance.org
> > [mailto:sca-dance-bounces+joannaandmurray=homemail.com.au at sca-dance.org]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Ian Martens
> > Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 3:59 AM
> > To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
> > Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I could
> > attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific event
> please
> > let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to get involved in
> > the dance community all over the knowne world.
> >
> > Ozzy
> > Castel Rouge
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:09:25 -0500
> From: David Learmonth <david.a.learmonth at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
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> Good point!  If you are looking for a LOT of dancing, you can't beat
> Pennsic.  Classes all day, dancing ALL night.  You can easily do 15+ hours
> a day, for nearly the whole 2 weeks.  (at least once the floor is up, or
> even a portion of it!)
>
> Darius
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Ben Cogan <donnghaile at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, local to me is this little thing called Pennsic, in Western
> > Pennsylvania, which I hope stays in August.
> >
> > But the Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands hosts a biannual Music and
> > Dance event in February in Pittsburgh, PA.  This year is the off year for
> > it.
> >
> > Brandubh
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Joanna and Murray <
> > joannaandmurray at homemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > St Vitas' Dance and Music Weekend is an annual event here in the Barony
> > of
> > > Politarchopolis, Kingdom of Lochac.
> > > 13th and 14th of September this year.
> > >
> > > Joanna of the Beechwoods
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sca-dance-bounces+joannaandmurray=homemail.com.au at sca-dance.org
> > > [mailto:sca-dance-bounces+joannaandmurray=
> homemail.com.au at sca-dance.org]
> > > On
> > > Behalf Of Ian Martens
> > > Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 3:59 AM
> > > To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
> > > Subject: [SCA-Dance] Annual Dance Events List
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I would like to put together a list of regular dance events that I
> could
> > > attend annually.  If your kingdom or area has a dance specific event
> > please
> > > let me know as I do not mind travelling and would like to get involved
> in
> > > the dance community all over the knowne world.
> > >
> > > Ozzy
> > > Castel Rouge
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From hollyharpist at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 19 00:33:14 2014
From: hollyharpist at yahoo.com (Janet Scheltema)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:33:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] SCA Dance History Ball
Message-ID: <1390109594.69481.YahooMailNeo@web125906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

SCA Dance History
Ball
?
Please join us at Pennsic for the First, hopefully
annual, ?SCA Dance History Ball!? 
It is scheduled for Friday, August 1, from 8 to 10 in the Dance Tent.
Is there a dance that you loved but it isn?t danced? 
This ball will have dances that have been popular during
the 40 years of the SCA. 
Relive the old dance days and learn some new ones that
have some of the same elements.
Yay dancing!
Gwenllyen the Minstrel and Maximilian der Zauberer
Baroness and Baron of North Woods
Middle Kingdom
baronandbaroness at scanorthwoods.org
?
?
Please answer the following questions.? We will use the answers to create the ball
list!? Thank you!

DANCE SURVEY
?
Your name: 
?
How long have you been in the SCA?
?
What is your favorite dance and when do you remember
dancing it first?
?
?
What is the first dance you learned in the SCA? When and
where did you learn it?
?
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What dances do you think we should include in this ball
and why?
?
?

What is your favorite dance story?

From tmcd at panix.com  Mon Jan 20 13:55:59 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:55:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] SCA Dance History Ball
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2014, Janet Scheltema <hollyharpist at yahoo.com> wrote:
> This ball will have dances that have been popular during
> the 40 years of the SCA.

I was astonished to learn yesterday that I'd pretty much forgotten
Duchess Rondalynn's Pavane, and the dance mistress here didn't even
have it on tape, much less CD or iPad.  (I happen to have Mannheim
Steamrooler's CD _Fresh Aire II_.  The tune is track 12, "Toota
Lute".)  We had to dig instructions out of the 1990 (I think)
Ansteorran Dance Symposium Proceedings; I couldn't find them on a
quick Google search.

The theme/time period for Bryn Glwad's Candlemas event is,
paraphrasing, when you joined the SCA.  We've been thinking of doing
Duchess Rondalynn's Pavane as an A&S demo entry (with tongue-in-cheek
so far in that it's practically a piercing), but we'll have to
actually *work* at it!

Danyll "I'd forgotten the Vogue-ing at the end" Lincoln
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From tmcd at panix.com  Mon Jan 20 16:32:29 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:32:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Sources for music for "zombie dances"?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401201522190.28871@panix1.panix.com>

So, at our Candlemas event, there are going to be more dead dances
lurching from unquiet graves.

We found the woo-woo music for John Tallow's Canon.  We knew it was
from the soundtrack to _Legend_.  Specifically, it's by Tangerine
Dream: the woo-woo itself is the start of "Opening", but the dance
proper is "Cottage".

Anyone have sources, ideally already digital, for
- Trenchmore
- Nika Nika
- Salterello II (is it maybe Corvus Corax?  Not the live version,
   though that would make it a very sprightly dance.  Or Dead Can
   Dance?  How appropriate)
- Korobushka
- Scotland the Brave
?  Some we have on tape, but getting it digitized is a bit of a
bother; sources for digital versions that sound like your favorite
version on Nth generation bootleg tapes (except better sound quality)?

Danyell de Lyncoln
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From upelluri at gmail.com  Mon Jan 20 16:37:32 2014
From: upelluri at gmail.com (Aaron Macks)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:37:32 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sources for music for "zombie dances"?
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For Saltarello II:
* There's a reasonably usable copy on the Tape of Dance 2:
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/TOD_2/
* There's an excellent, though fast, recording by John Renbourn, the
track is called "Circle Dance" and I bought it either on iTunes or Amazon

GunDormr

On 1/20/14 4:32 PM, Tim McDaniel wrote:
> So, at our Candlemas event, there are going to be more dead dances
> lurching from unquiet graves.
> 
> We found the woo-woo music for John Tallow's Canon.  We knew it was
> from the soundtrack to _Legend_.  Specifically, it's by Tangerine
> Dream: the woo-woo itself is the start of "Opening", but the dance
> proper is "Cottage".
> 
> Anyone have sources, ideally already digital, for
> - Trenchmore
> - Nika Nika
> - Salterello II (is it maybe Corvus Corax?  Not the live version,
>    though that would make it a very sprightly dance.  Or Dead Can
>    Dance?  How appropriate)
> - Korobushka
> - Scotland the Brave
> ?  Some we have on tape, but getting it digitized is a bit of a
> bother; sources for digital versions that sound like your favorite
> version on Nth generation bootleg tapes (except better sound quality)?
> 
> Danyell de Lyncoln
> 

-- 
_______________________________________________________
Aaron Macks(aaronm at wiglaf.org) [http://www.wiglaf.org/~aaronm ]
My sheep has seven gall bladders, that makes me the King of the Universe!

From tmcd at panix.com  Mon Jan 20 21:04:59 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 20:04:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sources for music for "zombie dances"?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401201954120.23801@panix2.panix.com>

Results so far, for the list archives:

- Salterello II
GunDormr wrote:

     * There's a reasonably usable copy on the Tape of Dance 2:
     http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/TOD_2/

     * There's an excellent, though fast, recording by John Renbourn,
     the track is called "Circle Dance" and I bought it either on
     iTunes or Amazon

N.B. That is "Saltarello La Regina", a different tune than
= Corvus Corax's "Saltarello"
= Dead Can Dance, _Aion_, "Saltarello"

- Nika Nika
Perronnelle tells me
     The proper title for the tune is: Noun pourri{e'} ana plus mau
     Artist: Les Musiciens de Provence
     Album: Medieval & Renaissance Music: Antique Instruments

- Korobushka
Someone whom, from mercy, I will leave nameless mentioned
"My Sharona".

- Trenchmore
- Scotland the Brave

Danyll de Linccolne
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From greenguy at peculiarity.net  Mon Jan 20 23:58:18 2014
From: greenguy at peculiarity.net (Jeremy H. Kessler)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:58:18 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sources for music for "zombie dances"?
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Tim McDaniel wrote, On 1/20/2014 4:32 PM:
> Anyone have sources, ideally already digital, for
> - Trenchmore
> - Nika Nika
> - Salterello II (is it maybe Corvus Corax?  Not the live version,
>     though that would make it a very sprightly dance.  Or Dead Can
>     Dance?  How appropriate)
> - Korobushka
> - Scotland the Brave

The recording we used for Korobushka way back when came from a Theodore 
Bikel album called "Songs of a Russian Gypsy.  The dance is spelled 
"Karobushka" on the album.

And, as long as you're digging up Russian dances done eons ago in the 
Midrealm...

- Moonshine was danced to track 5 ("Svyetit Myesats") off of that same 
Bikel album.

- Troika was danced, to track 8 ("Street Music") off of the David Munrow 
album, "Henry VIII and His Six Wives:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/david-munrow-henry-viii-and-his-six-wives-mw0001382560#no-js

- Kohanoshka and Karapyet were never AFAIK danced as widely as were the 
others, but their music came from old international folk dance records 
of mine.


Phelan


From charlene281 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 00:35:53 2014
From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene C)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:35:53 -0600
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sources for music for "zombie dances"?
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> - Nika Nika
> Perronnelle tells me
>      The proper title for the tune is: Noun pourri{e'} ana plus mau
>      Artist: Les Musiciens de Provence
>      Album: Medieval & Renaissance Music: Antique Instruments

This weekend Avatar asked me for the original music source for Nika
Nika. That sent me down the rabbit hole tonight. I still don't have
all the pieces, but I'm close.

The modernized title on the recording we usually use is: Noun pourri?
ana plus mau. The original is from ~1550 (it's been erroneously listed
as 15th *C* in lots of places). The original title is: Non podrio anar
plus mau.

I have an mp3 that I made from an original Les Musiciens de Provence
LP. Searching for both titles turns up several recordings. One of them
is quite brisk!

A transcription of the lyrics (no music) was printed in 1844 & 1872.
The original music seems to be lost. It seems what we've been calling
"Nika nika" is actually "Nyga nyga". :-)

--Perronnelle

From tmcd at panix.com  Tue Jan 21 00:57:50 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:57:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sources for music for "zombie dances"?
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On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Jeremy H. Kessler <greenguy at peculiarity.net> wrote:
> The recording we used for Korobushka way back when came from a
> Theodore Bikel album called "Songs of a Russian Gypsy.  The dance is
> spelled "Karobushka" on the album.

That's it, down to the occasional "hey!"s!  Amazon has it for just
0.89.

> - Troika was danced, to track 8 ("Street Music") off of the David Munrow
> album, "Henry VIII and His Six Wives:
> http://www.allmusic.com/album/david-munrow-henry-viii-and-his-six-wives-mw0001382560#no-js

I've heard of Troika but never danced it.  I'll look into it.

I hadn't heard of the others.

Thank you for the pointers.

Dannet de Linccolne
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From marianne at historiaviva.org  Tue Jan 21 04:42:06 2014
From: marianne at historiaviva.org (Marianne Perdomo)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:42:06 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Dance] history of Canario
Message-ID: <CAMMYS2HziTGzSnag0DMUavNUNu=rrH9fvT6AWwa=8P=ZMhmtYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

Anyone looked into the history of the Canario, or clues about it beyond
steps and choreographies?

Thanks!


Marianne / Leonor

From patches023 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 20 17:34:09 2014
From: patches023 at verizon.net (Sonya)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:34:09 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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Greetings,

I would love to get a discussion going about dancing at non-dance themed
events (i.e. 12th nights, local baronial events, etc.).  Maybe my experience
is not the norm.  However, when I have attended an event that is not dance
focused, such as the ones listed above, the dancing is usually scheduled for
right after the feast and it only happens 20 percent of the time.  What
usually happens is that court runs long or the feast runs long or both run
long and then everyone wants to pack up and go home or people need to help
clean up in the kitchen (which IS a very worthwhile thing to do) and dancing
is dropped. 

Is this something that just happens in Atlantia (I admit that I do not
travel outside of Atlantia for non-dance events)?  Have others found this?
How can we as a dance community address this?  I suspect this issue is why
there are many dance themed events. At dance themed events, the ball happens
because that is the focus of the event.

Any ideas would be appreciated.  

YIS,
Lady Patches

PS. I hope this doesn't come off as a slam or insult to non-dance events or
stewards of those events. I know that everyone works very hard to put on the
best event they can and something has to give. I am wondering how the thing
that gives can stop being dancing.



From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 08:20:11 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:20:11 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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Hi Patches!

It definitely happens in a lot of places.  Ealdormere used to have dance at
events, when I joined the SCA in 1996.  I started trying to keep it alive
when I had enough knowledge / confidence by around 1999 / 2000, but it
slowly declined regardless.

We do have dance at events, sometimes, though it is often the core ringers,
plus a few extra people.  12th nights have the best potential.

It often helps to have something booked in the afternoon, as you've seen
the issues that happen after feasts.

We're trying to reinvigorate it by bringing in a standard set of dances
again that everyone should know, hoping that will help participation.

I think that there are Many potential reasons why we've seen this happening
in general.  I don't know which are most critical, but here are a few I've
considered:
- longer, more impressive feasts
- an older SCA crowd:
  - more children to get home earlier
  - fewer people looking for dates perhaps?  :)
- less alcohol at events?
- fewer post-revs, so more people rushing home instead of staying near by
- event sites closing earlier
- a general view in some areas that "fighters don't dance", or something
like this.  (I have heard this expressed in some places, even though it
completely is NOT the truth of what would have been in Period!)
- we did move away from doing the GOOP dances, which it is funny, but they
did have a certain cache it seems.  (but this isn't all of it, as I've
tried using them in my selection as well, but it doesn't seem sufficient).

I'm trying to remember which other factors I've considered.  I've given it
a decent amount of thought over the years.  It is also possible that Dance,
has become like any other A&S activity, where some people dabble, but
mostly you get a small percentage of the SCA who really focus on it, and
that is it?

Actually, so regarding the prevalence of Dance-themed events, many of these
have been around for quite a few years now.  (Terp XX this year).  So I'm
not certain if they are a response to a lack of dancing at general events.
 I'd say that they are more filling a Need for all us dance geeks, who
desire to learn more and take things to the next level.  Certainly I find
it awesome that people travel from such great distances for a good dance
event.  Great way to share knowledge, and wonderful source of enjoyment.  :)


When we had KWDS up here, I was pleased with how it ran, but disappointed
that we were unable to get more drop-in traffic from local SCA groups.  I
feel that, being such a Grand Event, it is one that can be a catalyst for
local dancing at non-dance events.  Because so often now, our events have
not been in the most spectacularly Period of spaces, and while Camping
events are great for Atmosphere, there is nothing to compare with having a
Grand Ball, with wonderful dancers decked out in their finery, Musicians
from around the known world, and likely a grand ballroom.  I think it is a
piece of the dream that we are looking for, and that it could have been
effective to inspire local SCAdians to the fun and beauty of Dance again.
 Perhaps creating the right atmosphere at local events could help in this
goal?

But yes, otherwise, I'm still thinking that bringing in more young people
 (we need a Major recruiting drive at universities and colleges), might be
the best route to go, if possible.  I've run Dance at an Anime convention
in Toronto for the past 6 years, and I get around 400 very willing
participants, many coming back year after year, and ALL joining in!  It is
insane, and the kids LOVE it!

Maybe some kind of cross-pollination would help, I don't know?

Personally, if I had the time, I'd really like to start a local chapter
where I am now, and perhaps lay a foundation from the start that includes
dance and music.  Seems that we have to change the SCA Culture back to that
sort of thing, to be effective at this.  I'm wondering if the impact of
North American culture may also play a role.  Folk Dance seems bigger in
Greece and other places as more acceptable than here.

I know that Judith definitely had more success in Europe with getting
everyone dancing, even the fighters!

But then, some places that have had more success, also seem to have more of
a Period focus.  Might be another influence.


Sorry to ramble on.  If you figure out a solution, let me know!  I
definitely think your Ball at Pennsic helps!

Darius
P.S.  I've felt guilty before for running dance at the end of an event,
while others are cleaning up.  Not sure what to do about that issue.  But I
am providing a service there as well.  Perhaps events are too short staffed?
P.P.S.  Oh yeah, just remembered that, I think there used to be a LOT more
dance back when each local group had their own Dance Teacher.  Lately, at
least around here, we have a handful of us scattered around, but not a
local one for each particular event, and not a local practice in each area,
just a few in our kingdom total.




On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Sonya <patches023 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I would love to get a discussion going about dancing at non-dance themed
> events (i.e. 12th nights, local baronial events, etc.).  Maybe my
> experience
> is not the norm.  However, when I have attended an event that is not dance
> focused, such as the ones listed above, the dancing is usually scheduled
> for
> right after the feast and it only happens 20 percent of the time.  What
> usually happens is that court runs long or the feast runs long or both run
> long and then everyone wants to pack up and go home or people need to help
> clean up in the kitchen (which IS a very worthwhile thing to do) and
> dancing
> is dropped.
>
> Is this something that just happens in Atlantia (I admit that I do not
> travel outside of Atlantia for non-dance events)?  Have others found this?
> How can we as a dance community address this?  I suspect this issue is why
> there are many dance themed events. At dance themed events, the ball
> happens
> because that is the focus of the event.
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> YIS,
> Lady Patches
>
> PS. I hope this doesn't come off as a slam or insult to non-dance events or
> stewards of those events. I know that everyone works very hard to put on
> the
> best event they can and something has to give. I am wondering how the thing
> that gives can stop being dancing.
>
>
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From jducoeur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 08:35:14 2014
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:35:14 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sources for music for "zombie dances"?
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Having published the original article of the invention of Saltarello La
Regina (both the author and I were young in the art at the time), I'm
bemused at it being lumped in with the "ancient inventions".  But:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> N.B. That is "Saltarello La Regina", a different tune than
> = Corvus Corax's "Saltarello"
> = Dead Can Dance, _Aion_, "Saltarello"


 Yes, folks should note that La Regina is specifically choreographed for
Saltarello II, which is only one of several period saltarelli.  There are a
number of decent recordings out there, but also many saltarelli that are
completely different tunes...

From jducoeur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 08:55:05 2014
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:55:05 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Sonya <patches023 at verizon.net> wrote:

> However, when I have attended an event that is not dance
> focused, such as the ones listed above, the dancing is usually scheduled
> for
> right after the feast and it only happens 20 percent of the time.  What
> usually happens is that court runs long or the feast runs long or both run
> long and then everyone wants to pack up and go home or people need to help
> clean up in the kitchen (which IS a very worthwhile thing to do) and
> dancing
> is dropped.


Yep, very common pattern.  Around here (Carolingia, East), Gundormr and I
have evolved a fairly hard-and-fast rule that we do not *allow* dancing to
be scheduled if we believe it's going to fail.

Frankly, I think there's a nasty downward spiral that develops quite
easily: dancing gets scheduled late, so a lot of people leave before it, so
you wind up with relatively few dancers, so it comes across as kind of sad
and pathetic, so even fewer people stay for it next time.  So to combat
that, our rule has become that we will only run dancing if we think it
stands a good chance of being *fun*, to create the reverse spiral instead
-- we have a good time, folks *see* that the dancing is fun, so more are
inclined to join in next time.  It's not a panacea, but it helps.

In general, this has led to us largely abandoning the old tradition of
dancing after feasts: as others have observed, we've collectively gotten
older, and folks are on average less interested in starting to dance at
8-8:30pm.  (And, sadly, fewer are staying for feast nowadays.)  So we've
tended to instead schedule the dancing in the afternoon lately, at events
where that makes sense.  We tend not to try when the event has a core
"showcase" that everyone is paying attention to at that time, but at a
typical everything-to-everybody event it often works well to stick an hour
or two of dancing in the main hall in the afternoon.

I'll also agree with Darius that running dancing at cons can be
surprisingly successful.  Arisia is the big convention in these parts (3500
people or so), and I ran the ball there this past weekend.  I'd say we had
about 75 people dancing: not exactly the Pennsic Ball, but plenty enough to
make for a really fun, full dance floor, and a pretty good turnout for 3pm
on a Sunday.  That's becoming one of our more significant recruiting
opportunities each year...

From tmcd at panix.com  Tue Jan 21 10:14:14 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:14:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Sonya <patches023 at verizon.net> wrote:
> However, when I have attended an event that is not dance
> focused, such as the ones listed above, the dancing is usually scheduled for
> right after the feast and it only happens 20 percent of the time.  What
> usually happens is that court runs long or the feast runs long or both run
> long and then everyone wants to pack up and go home or people need to help
> clean up in the kitchen (which IS a very worthwhile thing to do) and dancing
> is dropped.
>
> Is this something that just happens in Atlantia

This is a tale I heard of a Dancers' Revolt event around Detroit.
Dancing all day, but they announced that combat would be held after
the feast and the ball.  So all the dancing wrapped up, and two
gentlemen fully armed and armored stepped onto the floor ... only to
be told that, gee, the feast ran long and the ball ran long and we
have to get out of the hall before 11 PM, so, um, sorry, but we've had
to cancel the tourney.  (One of the fighters may have been Midair,
from Cynnabar; he's been prominent as the M.C. at the ball at
Terpsichore at the Tower.)

If it was enough of a cliche to be the basis of a joke in another
kingdom at least a decade ago, it's probably pretty universal.

Daniel Delicious
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From john.white at drexel.edu  Tue Jan 21 10:15:16 2014
From: john.white at drexel.edu (White,John)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:15:16 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sources for music for "zombie dances"?
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> From: Jeremy H. Kessler
> 
> Tim McDaniel wrote, On 1/20/2014 4:32 PM:
> > Anyone have sources, ideally already digital, for
> > - Korobushka
> 
> The recording we used for Korobushka way back when came from a
> Theodore Bikel album called "Songs of a Russian Gypsy.  The dance is spelled
> "Karobushka" on the album.
> 
I remember looking far and wide for this album, finding it, and introducing it
to our then-dance teacher as the "correct" music for the dance.  I still shudder
at her response - she liked the recorder version off of Rose and Nefr better!

She did, however, get a kick out of how well the dance fits to My Sharona.


> And, as long as you're digging up Russian dances done eons ago in the
> Midrealm...
> 
> - Moonshine was danced to track 5 ("Svyetit Myesats") off of that same Bikel
> album.
> 
This was once my favorite SCA dance - back when I was a dance heretic, before
I became a converted dance purist (and you all know that the converted are the
most fanatical!).  I haven't been able to find any information anywhere about
the actual origins, steps, etc for the dance however (you know, to take it to one
of the several local folk dance organizations in the area).  You can find a dozen or
more videos of Korobushka (in at least six variations, none of which are *quite*
what we do in the SCA), and write-ups about its origins in 1920s Ukranian
communities and all, but nothing about Moonshine.

                \\Dafydd C


From jducoeur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 10:44:11 2014
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 10:44:11 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:15 AM, <patches023 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the validation about dancing after feast.  It seems like the
> consensus is that dancing after feast is not a recipe for success.  Can we
> turn the discussion to how to get the event stewards on board with doing
> the dancing earlier?  Usually dance is competing with other activities for
> space, how do people get the event stewards to give up some large space for
> dancing?  Or maybe my expectations need to be lowered.  When people have
> done dancing earlier in the day, has it been a big ball?
>

I recommend being realistic.  While we often get a decent turnout in the
afternoon, it's rare to get a *lot* of people dancing at a
non-dance-centric event nowadays.  I usually count it as fully successful
if we get 25 or so up, and am thrilled to get 40.  (And try not to be too
disappointed when we get only a dozen.)  Sadly, with a older club that is
not, by and large, as full of people who are focused on finding ways to
flirt with the opposite sex, it's a lot harder to get half the event up and
dancing...

From donnghaile at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 11:01:04 2014
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:01:04 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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Agreed, it is a prevailing trend all around, in Aethelmearc dancing has
become quite rare as well.

We used to have it after feast, but gradual attrition took over and now we
don't any more.  My extra comment comes that it coincides with another
phenom, and that's the earlier and earlier end times of events.  Back when
dancing actually happened after feast, the event closed at 11 or 12, and we
were still there washing dishes until 1 or 2 in the morning.  Now we're
closing the sites at 9 or 10 with the full intent off lights off everyone
out by 10 or 11.  Now I don't miss the days of washing dishes until it's
tomorrow, but closing events earlier has become our norm, and
the dancing has suffered.

When I started dancing in the 90s we regularly had 40-50 people attend our
weekly practices.  We'd have to yell at the gamers in the corner when they
were too loud, but we'd have 4 sets of heralds in love going at once, now
we have monthly dance practices, and wait to see how many people show up to
see if we can have any dances for 8.  It used to be one the major social
events, but now barely used.  I go less often myself now that I have kids,
but it seems that we're not really getting new blood in.

Anecdotal, to be sure, but yes, your frustrations are felt,

Cheers,
Brandubh


On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Sonya <patches023 at verizon.net> wrote:
> > However, when I have attended an event that is not dance
> > focused, such as the ones listed above, the dancing is usually scheduled
> for
> > right after the feast and it only happens 20 percent of the time.  What
> > usually happens is that court runs long or the feast runs long or both
> run
> > long and then everyone wants to pack up and go home or people need to
> help
> > clean up in the kitchen (which IS a very worthwhile thing to do) and
> dancing
> > is dropped.
> >
> > Is this something that just happens in Atlantia
>
> This is a tale I heard of a Dancers' Revolt event around Detroit.
> Dancing all day, but they announced that combat would be held after
> the feast and the ball.  So all the dancing wrapped up, and two
> gentlemen fully armed and armored stepped onto the floor ... only to
> be told that, gee, the feast ran long and the ball ran long and we
> have to get out of the hall before 11 PM, so, um, sorry, but we've had
> to cancel the tourney.  (One of the fighters may have been Midair,
> from Cynnabar; he's been prominent as the M.C. at the ball at
> Terpsichore at the Tower.)
>
> If it was enough of a cliche to be the basis of a joke in another
> kingdom at least a decade ago, it's probably pretty universal.
>
> Daniel Delicious
> --
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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From ianthe at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 11:03:04 2014
From: ianthe at gmail.com (Nadine)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 10:03:04 -0600
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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Is the population of the SCA aging?

I would love to see actual statistics.

Lowrie 

Sent from my iPhone
http://nadinestudio.com

> On Jan 21, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Ben Cogan <donnghaile at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, it is a prevailing trend all around, in Aethelmearc dancing has
> become quite rare as well.
> 
> We used to have it after feast, but gradual attrition took over and now we
> don't any more.  My extra comment comes that it coincides with another
> phenom, and that's the earlier and earlier end times of events.  Back when
> dancing actually happened after feast, the event closed at 11 or 12, and we
> were still there washing dishes until 1 or 2 in the morning.  Now we're
> closing the sites at 9 or 10 with the full intent off lights off everyone
> out by 10 or 11.  Now I don't miss the days of washing dishes until it's
> tomorrow, but closing events earlier has become our norm, and
> the dancing has suffered.
> 
> When I started dancing in the 90s we regularly had 40-50 people attend our
> weekly practices.  We'd have to yell at the gamers in the corner when they
> were too loud, but we'd have 4 sets of heralds in love going at once, now
> we have monthly dance practices, and wait to see how many people show up to
> see if we can have any dances for 8.  It used to be one the major social
> events, but now barely used.  I go less often myself now that I have kids,
> but it seems that we're not really getting new blood in.
> 
> Anecdotal, to be sure, but yes, your frustrations are felt,
> 
> Cheers,
> Brandubh
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Sonya <patches023 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> However, when I have attended an event that is not dance
>>> focused, such as the ones listed above, the dancing is usually scheduled
>> for
>>> right after the feast and it only happens 20 percent of the time.  What
>>> usually happens is that court runs long or the feast runs long or both
>> run
>>> long and then everyone wants to pack up and go home or people need to
>> help
>>> clean up in the kitchen (which IS a very worthwhile thing to do) and
>> dancing
>>> is dropped.
>>> 
>>> Is this something that just happens in Atlantia
>> 
>> This is a tale I heard of a Dancers' Revolt event around Detroit.
>> Dancing all day, but they announced that combat would be held after
>> the feast and the ball.  So all the dancing wrapped up, and two
>> gentlemen fully armed and armored stepped onto the floor ... only to
>> be told that, gee, the feast ran long and the ball ran long and we
>> have to get out of the hall before 11 PM, so, um, sorry, but we've had
>> to cancel the tourney.  (One of the fighters may have been Midair,
>> from Cynnabar; he's been prominent as the M.C. at the ball at
>> Terpsichore at the Tower.)
>> 
>> If it was enough of a cliche to be the basis of a joke in another
>> kingdom at least a decade ago, it's probably pretty universal.
>> 
>> Daniel Delicious
>> --
>> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 11:09:34 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:09:34 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:04 AM, David Learmonth <
david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good point Justin about the "spiral".  I've also tried to focus my
> energies more-so on events where we looked like we would have some more
> success, because even just on us dance teachers, it can be really
> frustrating / disheartening to put in the efforts and get no one.  (and
> hey, I enjoy going to events without the expectation of dance as well.)
>
> As for getting the space / time at an event, in Ealdormere we do have a
> lot of autocrats who would like to see dance happening, and so for the
> afternoon at least (for an hour or so before court / feast), that aspect
> hasn't been too much of an issue.
>
> Part of the trick to consider is to get space where you are visible enough
> to add to the atmosphere, and get people's attention.  Not all sites have
> this available.  Though these spaces can have noise issues if they are near
> heavy fighting.
>
> I guess just to mention, that if you're going for daytime dancing, try to
> make sure that:
> 1.  It gets Advertised on the schedule / on the website early!
> 2.  It gets Heralded really well, so people know that it really is
> happening.
> 3.  Try to have a few people guaranteed to be there (ringers, or just
> students who are interested), because you may need "critical mass" to be
> able to get things going.  This is another reason that we've been focusing
> our energies, so that All the dancers don't have to try to make it to All
> the events.
>
>
> Oh, and now Ealdormere isn't a big kingdom, so our bar for success has
> been set a bit lower than that of Justin.  I'm fairly happy if I can get a
> set of 6 people together, and if they have fun dancing.  (6 people
> including myself.  But hopefully those 6 people will include some new
> people, or those who can't make it to dance very often).  10-12 people
> would be awesome!
>
> Darius
>
>

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 11:09:55 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:09:55 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, David Learmonth <
david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't have statistics, just what I see around Ealdormere at least.
>
> I know that I was "the youngen" when I joined in 1996, and in general, it
> is the same people who still run most things in our kingdom.
>
> Basically when I joined, it was just after Ealdormere had finished being
> an enormous University driven group.  Most people who run Ealdormere are
> 5-10 years older than me, and I'm no spring chicken myself anymore.  :P
>
> I'm trying to recruit at my dance practice at the university, but even for
> me it is a bit awkward that I am now twice the age of the first year
> students.  I think that a lack of serious recruiting for several years in
> there has compounded the recruitment problem for younger people.  :(
>
> Darius
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Nadine <ianthe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is the population of the SCA aging?
>>
>> I would love to see actual statistics.
>>
>> Lowrie
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> http://nadinestudio.com
>>
>>

From jducoeur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 11:13:05 2014
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:13:05 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Fwd:  Dancing at non-dance events
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[Also resending a bounce.  (I think the bounceometer is calibrated a bit
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Well, I don't have hard numbers, but anecdotally, heck yes.  Around here,
the average age has gone up at *least* ten years since I started 30 years
ago.  It's not as dramatic as it is in Freemasonry (another of my clubs,
where the age-increase has been arrested by the fact that so many members
are dying off), but it's quite serious.

On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Nadine <ianthe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the population of the SCA aging?
>
> I would love to see actual statistics.
>
> Lowrie

From jducoeur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 11:13:45 2014
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:13:45 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Fwd:  Dancing at non-dance events
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[And another resend]

On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:04 AM, David Learmonth <
david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:

> As for getting the space / time at an event, in Ealdormere we do have a
> lot of autocrats who would like to see dance happening, and so for the
> afternoon at least (for an hour or so before court / feast), that aspect
> hasn't been too much of an issue.
>

Yeah, ditto.  We've more often had to take the weird position where an
autocrat has put dance onto the schedule, and I've had to say, "Seriously
-- I've looked at your schedule, and I think dance is going to suck.  Can
we take it off?"  That's hard, but I think that being picky about it, and
only running dance at the events where it seems realistic, has generally
helped things a bit.

(This may be a regional thing.  I suspect that northern/indoor Kingdoms
have more of a tradition of dance as an assumption than southern/outdoor
ones...)

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 11:18:57 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:18:57 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Fwd: Dancing at non-dance events
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I've been in that position too.  We've been trying to put some of the
responsibility back on the Autocrats, by asking what they expect of the
dancing, what they are hoping for, and what they can do to help encourage
it at the event (before and during the event)?

We had an event here recently where the autocrat advertised that there
would be Dancing at the event, and put it on the schedule.  But the funny
thing was, that all us dance teachers were asking each other "are you going
to that event?  who is running the dancing?".  The autocrat didn't actually
ask anyone, she just assumed it would happen if it was on the schedule.
 Oops!

So with that in mind, and with the idea of coordinating and focusing
efforts, a few of us in our area have made certain that people know to
contact us if they want to discuss dance plans, and we also take an active
effort to contact events ahead of time, to make sure we know if dance is in
the plans.  (well, at least if they've published it, asked for it, or if we
think it would be a good event for it).

Darius




On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin du coeur <jducoeur at gmail.com>wrote:

> [And another resend]
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:04 AM, David Learmonth <
> david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As for getting the space / time at an event, in Ealdormere we do have a
> > lot of autocrats who would like to see dance happening, and so for the
> > afternoon at least (for an hour or so before court / feast), that aspect
> > hasn't been too much of an issue.
> >
>
> Yeah, ditto.  We've more often had to take the weird position where an
> autocrat has put dance onto the schedule, and I've had to say, "Seriously
> -- I've looked at your schedule, and I think dance is going to suck.  Can
> we take it off?"  That's hard, but I think that being picky about it, and
> only running dance at the events where it seems realistic, has generally
> helped things a bit.
>
> (This may be a regional thing.  I suspect that northern/indoor Kingdoms
> have more of a tradition of dance as an assumption than southern/outdoor
> ones...)
>

From jducoeur at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 11:49:41 2014
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:49:41 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Fwd: Dancing at non-dance events
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:18 AM, David Learmonth <
david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:

> We had an event here recently where the autocrat advertised that there
> would be Dancing at the event, and put it on the schedule.  But the funny
> thing was, that all us dance teachers were asking each other "are you going
> to that event?  who is running the dancing?".  The autocrat didn't actually
> ask anyone, she just assumed it would happen if it was on the schedule.
>  Oops!


Yeah, that's a common rookie autocratting mistake.  We've actually had it
happen more often to the fighters than dance, I think, where the autocrat
didn't bother to check whether the Knight Marshal could be there before
scheduling fighting.

But the one we get hit by *all* the time is the musicians -- even when the
autocrat thinks to talk to the dancemaster, they frequently forget to check
whether the *band* can make it.  That's caused serious heartburn and
resentment more than once...

From yves.de.fortanier at comcast.net  Tue Jan 21 12:17:32 2014
From: yves.de.fortanier at comcast.net (Yves)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:17:32 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Fwd: Dancing at non-dance events
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A success story for you. Stewards for a shire event wanted dancing and contacted me. I ended up doing a three-hour afternoon class indoors and a three-hour revel outdoors (in a pleasant spring evening) and peaked at about two dozen dancers for both and did about twenty dances during each. 

I think this was and is very atypical for Meridies for any event besides Saltare...

Surely it was easier to make this happen at a non-Progress, non-collegium event.

Yves

From patches023 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 21 14:43:13 2014
From: patches023 at verizon.net (Sonya)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:43:13 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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This bounced. Sorry.

 

  _____  

From: patches023 at verizon.net [mailto:patches023 at verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:15 AM
To: jducoeur at gmail.com; patches023 at verizon.net
Cc: sca-dance at sca-dance.org
Subject: Re: Re: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events

 

About recruiting, I also do a dance at Balticon a medium science fiction con
in Baltimore. We do get some folks from it but not a lot. There are a couple
of other science fiction/animae cons in the DC area that maybe I could check
out.  

 

Thanks for the validation about dancing after feast.  It seems like the
consensus is that dancing after feast is not a recipe for success.  Can we
turn the discussion to how to get the event stewards on board with doing the
dancing earlier?  Usually dance is competing with other activities for
space, how do people get the event stewards to give up some large space for
dancing?  Or maybe my expectations need to be lowered.  When people have
done dancing earlier in the day, has it been a big ball?  

 

I like the solution of interspersing dancing and fighting (or whatever the
other main activity is).  

 

Thanks again for the great suggestions and brain storming.

Patches

 

On 01/21/14, Justin du coeur<jducoeur at gmail.com> wrote:

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Sonya <patches023@
<mailto:patches023 at verizon.net> verizon.net> wrote:

However, when I have attended an event that is not dance
focused, such as the ones listed above, the dancing is usually scheduled for
right after the feast and it only happens 20 percent of the time.  What
usually happens is that court runs long or the feast runs long or both run
long and then everyone wants to pack up and go home or people need to help
clean up in the kitchen (which IS a very worthwhile thing to do) and dancing
is dropped.

 

Yep, very common pattern.  Around here (Carolingia, East), Gundormr and I
have evolved a fairly hard-and-fast rule that we do not *allow* dancing to
be scheduled if we believe it's going to fail.

 

Frankly, I think there's a nasty downward spiral that develops quite easily:
dancing gets scheduled late, so a lot of people leave before it, so you wind
up with relatively few dancers, so it comes across as kind of sad and
pathetic, so even fewer people stay for it next time.  So to combat that,
our rule has become that we will only run dancing if we think it stands a
good chance of being *fun*, to create the reverse spiral instead -- we have
a good time, folks *see* that the dancing is fun, so more are inclined to
join in next time.  It's not a panacea, but it helps.

 

In general, this has led to us largely abandoning the old tradition of
dancing after feasts: as others have observed, we've collectively gotten
older, and folks are on average less interested in starting to dance at
8-8:30pm.  (And, sadly, fewer are staying for feast nowadays.)  So we've
tended to instead schedule the dancing in the afternoon lately, at events
where that makes sense.  We tend not to try when the event has a core
"showcase" that everyone is paying attention to at that time, but at a
typical everything-to-everybody event it often works well to stick an hour
or two of dancing in the main hall in the afternoon.

 

I'll also agree with Darius that running dancing at cons can be surprisingly
successful.  Arisia is the big convention in these parts (3500 people or
so), and I ran the ball there this past weekend.  I'd say we had about 75
people dancing: not exactly the Pennsic Ball, but plenty enough to make for
a really fun, full dance floor, and a pretty good turnout for 3pm on a
Sunday.  That's becoming one of our more significant recruiting
opportunities each year...


From tmcd at panix.com  Tue Jan 21 14:45:46 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:45:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, Sonya <patches023 at verizon.net> wrote:
> I like the solution of interspersing dancing and fighting (or whatever the
> other main activity is).

At Candlemas, we intersperse the feast and the dancing.  Three
courses, three sets.  Dance still gives way, but it tends to be that
we can't go on to the 5th and last dance of the set because the
kitchen is ready to serve the crottled greeps now.

Danett de Linccolne
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From john.white at drexel.edu  Tue Jan 21 15:55:29 2014
From: john.white at drexel.edu (White,John)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 20:55:29 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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I think that one of the keys to success is to have an event steward who actively *wants* dance
to happen.

For example, at our local Yule, the event steward really wanted dance to happen.  He scheduled
the day so that there were three hours open at the end for dancing, which was fortunate since
the all-day feast started at least 1.5 hours late.  It was, however, at the end of a long day during
which it snowed, so we only ended up dancing for about an hour, with at max, maybe 10 people?
Still, it was the first time in years that Yule had dance at all, or where we weren't dodging the
clean-up crew.

Still, it really does take the event steward to enable dance to happen.  Both this Yule and last
year's Yule had the main hall set up for feast from the very beginning of the day.  Last year's
Yule put me in a side room for dancing.  The good side of that is that the room was mine, with 
plenty of space, and no interruptions - nor did I disturb anyone else.  The bad side was that it
was a side room, not completely isolated as there were merchants outside, and a display room
on the other side of the hallway, but still a side room, rather than being out and visible and
able to draw people in who only had a slight bit of interest.  There was no dance scheduled
for after the feast.

So, both Yules had no space in the main gathering hall.  This year's Yule really had no side
rooms available for dancing, so last year's solution wouldn't/couldn't have worked this year.
Fortunately, this year there was plenty of time scheduled for late dancing.

So, you not only need people to lead and play for dancing, but you need space pre-court and
feast to hold dancing if you want to move it out of the end-of-day frame (and I think that would
be a fairly good idea in general).  Ideally, a central space.  At the least, a space that is visible
yet not disruptive to those who have some other interest.  Unfortunately, that's not always
possible.  

          \\Dafydd C
________________________________________
From:  Tim McDaniel [tmcd at panix.com]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, Sonya <patches023 at verizon.net> wrote:
> I like the solution of interspersing dancing and fighting (or whatever the
> other main activity is).

At Candlemas, we intersperse the feast and the dancing.  Three
courses, three sets.  Dance still gives way, but it tends to be that
we can't go on to the 5th and last dance of the set because the
kitchen is ready to serve the crottled greeps now.

Danett de Linccolne
________________________________________________________________

From lindahl at pbm.com  Tue Jan 21 16:10:24 2014
From: lindahl at pbm.com (Greg Lindahl)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:10:24 -0800
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 01:45:46PM -0600, Tim McDaniel wrote:

> At Candlemas, we intersperse the feast and the dancing.

This is my favorite solution - most feasts have quite a bit of dead
time that can be filled, and dance is a nicely-flexible filler.

-- Gregory



From charlene281 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 17:35:20 2014
From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene C)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:35:20 -0600
Subject: [SCA-Dance] [SCA-dance] Gresley music
Message-ID: <CAHUFDpNOK1H6kQYFcNLeHO7dGEFhfLFTF=Xv89LbPN8GxMJ5NA@mail.gmail.com>

I was looking at the DHDS site today and noticed they have a new
recording of Gresley dances. I don't have this CD nor have I listened
to the samples, but thought the folks doing Gresley dances might want
to check it out.

http://www.dhds.org.uk/publications/bookcontents.html

--Perronnelle

From matildalucet at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 23 20:35:53 2014
From: matildalucet at earthlink.net (Ginger Fitzsimmons)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:35:53 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events
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On Jan 21, 2014, Tim McDaniel wrote:

> At Candlemas, we intersperse the feast and the dancing.  Three
> courses, three sets.  Dance still gives way, but it tends to be that
> we can't go on to the 5th and last dance of the set because the
> kitchen is ready to serve the crottled greeps now.

Speaking for my local musicians, at least half of them hate this format. We don't get fed beforehand, we're smack against cleanup if we're to be fed afterwards, and it is not always easy to grab food and clean up hands and mouths before taking up instruments again, repeatedly. For myself, I tend to assume that I'm going to get to snack at best and take care of my own food needs. Fortunately, we don't get asked to do this often so I don't have to listen to griping about it much. I can see its appeal to dancers and feasters, though.

-Matilda
current Captain of the Waytes of Carolingia

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Mon Jan 27 13:53:24 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:53:24 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Step Spritely This Saturday! (Feb 1st, Ontario, Canada)
Message-ID: <CADxf9vLGHhjTtuwKYLoq0X1CcBAn1EKFNrJUG_6nLhaOTLtx5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yay Dancing!  Everything is coming together!  Final Schedule is being
approved right now, and will be published shortly!  So warm up your feet,
and we'll see you Saturday!

http://steps.gyges.org/

Here's just a few Class Highlights:
Alina - Contrapasso in Due, Fedelta, and  the Chigi version of Contrapasso
Maurin - Giove
Roselyne and Daniele - Il Papa
Daniele - Buffens
Rosina - Balli + Country Dance: A look at what happens when balli are
converted to ECD, and ECD to balli.

Plus Music Classes!

Lady Yvette will be providing a tasty Lunch on-site for a very reasonable
price.  Yvette also has plans to provide Dinner similarly, or additionally
there are many places to eat right near by.

Also, remember we're having a Potluck Desert and Munchies Revel during the
Ball, if you're feeling inclined to bring something! (food not required to
be in-period, just delicious!)

Darius
P.S.  If you're needing Crash Space, the party is at our house!  Just let
Lynnette and I know!

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Mon Jan 27 13:34:07 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:34:07 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Step Spritely This Saturday! (Feb 1st, Ontario, Canada)
Message-ID: <CADxf9vLy0H58enZFvmJh1r_D5Rx4+PXsQbRH9O9u+w6+xDfx1A@mail.gmail.com>

Yay Dancing!  Everything is coming together!  Final Schedule is being
approved right now, and will be published shortly!  So warm up your feet,
and we'll see you Saturday!

http://steps.gyges.org/

Here's just a few Class Highlights:
Alina - Contrapasso in Due, Fedelta, and  the Chigi version of Contrapasso
Maurin - Giove
Roselyne and Daniele - Il Papa
Daniele - Buffens
Rosina - Balli + Country Dance: A look at what happens when balli are
converted to ECD, and ECD to balli.

Plus Music Classes!

Also, remember we're having a Potluck Desert and Munchies Revel during the
Ball, if you're feeling inclined to bring something! (food not required to
be in-period, just delicious!)

Darius
P.S.  If you're needing Crash Space, the party is at our house!  Just let
Lynnette and I know!

From marianne at historiaviva.org  Sat Jan 25 05:50:38 2014
From: marianne at historiaviva.org (Marianne Perdomo)
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:50:38 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Dance] history of Canario
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Hello!

Thanks to all who have written privately. I must say I know Del's text
well, as it's *the* start. But I would really like to know his source for
his "Spanish explorers" sentence, as reading the original could add
details. This is it:
"The Spanish explorers thought that the native dance looked like a canary
hopping on its perch, hence they named the dance the "Canary", and
subsequently named the islands the "Canary Islands"."

The problem here is that the islands were named after dogs (Latin can-) and
the birds (and presumably the dance) after the islands. So it's all very
intriguing :) Specially if you were born and live there ;)

Cheers!


Marianne


2014/1/21 Marianne Perdomo <marianne at historiaviva.org>

> Hello!
>
> Anyone looked into the history of the Canario, or clues about it beyond
> steps and choreographies?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Marianne / Leonor
>

From tmcd at panix.com  Mon Jan 27 15:09:35 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:09:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Step Spritely This Saturday! (Feb 1st, Ontario,
 Canada)
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2014, David Learmonth <david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rosina - Balli + Country Dance: A look at what happens when balli
> are converted to ECD, and ECD to balli.

But ... how ... what?

Daniel (you just divided my brain by zero) de Lyncoln
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Tue Jan 28 00:09:12 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:09:12 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Step Spritely This Saturday! (Feb 1st, Ontario,
	Canada)
Message-ID: <CADxf9vKUXqnLxkdMKkspwoTYkytkA1Nzmy_DK6==1WSmC_rcQA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't ask me.  I just do what Rosina tells me to do.  :)


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014, David Learmonth <david.a.learmonth at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Rosina - Balli + Country Dance: A look at what happens when balli
> > are converted to ECD, and ECD to balli.
>
> But ... how ... what?
>
> Daniel (you just divided my brain by zero) de Lyncoln
> --
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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From tmcd at panix.com  Tue Jan 28 00:53:03 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:53:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Trenchmore music?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1401272340400.26319@panix3.panix.com>

Trenchmore is one of the dances for the ball this weekend at Candlemas
in Bryn Gwlad.  Anyone have music, or pointer to music, that is used
for it?

I don't get to wars and such.  How popular _is_ Trenchmore now?

Danielis de Lindo Colonia
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Tue Jan 28 09:30:14 2014
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:30:14 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Step Spritely Ball List - Feb 1, 2014 - Ontario, Canada
Message-ID: <CADxf9v+qoWx-r0MdBjkzYszc8XZsLndfX6n5MhUxbmETmouZEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Further info of interest.  :)


---------- Forwarded message ----------



*Step Spritely Ball List*



7:30pm Opening:

             Inns of Court Revels -8 traditional dances (no stopping few
repeats)



Court (Potentially)



Revel I

            New Year (Baroness's Choice)

            Petit Vrien

            Contapasso in due

            Horses Bransle

            Jenny Pluck Pears

            Pizocara

     Popular Choice

            Fedelta

            Black Nag



Interlude I - Bouffons and Maybe Morris Dance



Revel II

            Giove (Maurin)

            Sellanger's round

            Bransle suite

            Lucricia

            Ly Bens

            Darius's choice

     Popular choice

            Aras

            Pavan and Galliard



Interlude II - relax



Revel III

            Ballo di Fiore

            Gathering Peascods

            Gracca Amoroso

            Armyn

            Rostiboli Gioso
            Washerwoman's Bransle

            Dance de Cleves

            Quen Quer Que*

*(this could be inserted as the " last dance" earlier if the larger group
is flagging[image: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif])



On Site Post Revel - Dance until you drop (if there is still time)

 -  Musicians stay by choice

     -- if needed/wanted we could switch to a recording for a song or two


-- 
Sarah Scroggie,
Mother and Theatre technician/ set designer

From tmcd at panix.com  Tue Jan 28 10:49:47 2014
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:49:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Trenchmore music?
In-Reply-To: <002801cf1c2b$4722ace0$d56806a0$@verizon.net>
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2014, Sandra Unger <sandraunger at verizon.net> wrote:
> Trenchmore is one of the favorite dances of a former Baroness of
> Settmour Swamp.  It is silly and fun.  For new dancers, I sometimes
> teach only the silliest parts of the dance and leave out the bowing
> up and down the line.

Bowing in Trenchmore?  OK, we definitely have regional variation.  I
think I saw bowing in the Lovelace version.  The version I know is in
the Terp booklet, along the lines of
- double up and back x 2
- cast to bottom and back to top
- unders-and-overs
- reel

Danyll de Lincoln
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From charlene281 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 28 13:25:56 2014
From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene C)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:25:56 -0600
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Trenchmore music?
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> Bowing in Trenchmore?  OK, we definitely have regional variation.  I
> think I saw bowing in the Lovelace version.  The version I know is in
> the Terp booklet, along the lines of
> - double up and back x 2
> - cast to bottom and back to top
> - unders-and-overs
> - reel
>

"Trenchmore" appears to be a type of dance (like waltz, polka) rather
than a particular dance. The version in the Terp book is the one I've
seen most often in the SCA. We danced it at Shadowlands' event a
couple weeks ago.

When we have a live band, they usually play "Tomorrow the Fox will
Come to Town." I'm not sure which version of Playford first used this
tune for the dance. In Ansteorra, when using a recording, this is the
one we use (Shazam identified it as The Crickard Brothers):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2mtfnwhtZo

Since you aren't dancing to the phrase anyway, the music really
doesn't matter much for this dance.

--Perronnelle

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From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:55:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Trenchmore music?
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2014, Charlene C <charlene281 at gmail.com> wrote:
> "Trenchmore" appears to be a type of dance (like waltz, polka) rather
> than a particular dance.

I think I came across an article to that effect, like Trenchmore might
be a class of dances from Ireland.  I think I also once heard of an
account of a court event of Elizabeth I where there was money paid to
the three who danced Trenchmore.

> The version in the Terp book is the one I've seen most often in the
> SCA.

That's the one we're planning for the Candlemas event this weekend
(hope you can make it).  But I'm still curious if there are other
versions being danced in the SCA.

> Since you aren't dancing to the phrase anyway, the music really
> doesn't matter much for this dance.

Yeah, you just need a nice beat.  I think I was at a dance where we
used Female Sailor faute de mieux.

Danihel Lindum Colonia
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From hakon.sca at gmail.com  Tue Jan 28 09:01:32 2014
From: hakon.sca at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E1kon_Hrafnsson?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:01:32 -0500
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Trenchmore is our shire's favorite dance. Whenever there's an event with
any dancing, Trenchmore is expected. I've tried to figure out what the
music is that we dance it to, but haven't yet. When I've searched online,
it seems there are many tunes that are used for dancing Trenchmore,
depending on where you are.

H?kon Hrafnsson
Shire of Rivenvale
Midrealm


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> Trenchmore is one of the dances for the ball this weekend at Candlemas
> in Bryn Gwlad.  Anyone have music, or pointer to music, that is used
> for it?
>
> I don't get to wars and such.  How popular _is_ Trenchmore now?
>
> Danielis de Lindo Colonia
> --
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From sandraunger at verizon.net  Tue Jan 28 08:17:20 2014
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:17:20 -0500
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Trenchmore is one of the favorite dances of a former Baroness of Settmour
Swamp.  It is silly and fun.  For new dancers, I sometimes teach only the
silliest parts of the dance and leave out the bowing up and down the line.
Depends on the skill level of the dancers.
I will privately send you the dance music that I use via DropBox.  I may
need to convert it to MP3 format.
Ursula

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Trenchmore is one of the dances for the ball this weekend at Candlemas in
Bryn Gwlad.  Anyone have music, or pointer to music, that is used for it?

I don't get to wars and such.  How popular _is_ Trenchmore now?

Danielis de Lindo Colonia
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:55:24PM -0600, Tim McDaniel wrote:

> I think I came across an article to that effect, like Trenchmore might
> be a class of dances from Ireland.  I think I also once heard of an
> account of a court event of Elizabeth I where there was money paid to
> the three who danced Trenchmore.

http://www.setdance.com/archive/trenchmore.html

BTW I'm planning on teaching a class at next Pennsic that will feature
Trenchmore and the sciolta from Chiaranzana... they're quite similar.

-- Gregory


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From: ssunger at ix.netcom.com (Sandra Unger)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:14:53 -0500
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Hi Tim,
On UTube, search for trenchmore.  The second video has music very similar to
the music that I use.

I looked at the videos and like the arming MUCH better than the bowing
sequence that I learned.  I think I will use the arming from now on.  The
bowing sequence just confused everyone and turned a fun dance into an
annoyance (which is why I often left out this bit).
Thanks,
Ursula

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On Tue, 28 Jan 2014, Sandra Unger <sandraunger at verizon.net> wrote:
> Trenchmore is one of the favorite dances of a former Baroness of 
> Settmour Swamp.  It is silly and fun.  For new dancers, I sometimes 
> teach only the silliest parts of the dance and leave out the bowing up 
> and down the line.

Bowing in Trenchmore?  OK, we definitely have regional variation.  I think I
saw bowing in the Lovelace version.  The version I know is in the Terp
booklet, along the lines of
- double up and back x 2
- cast to bottom and back to top
- unders-and-overs
- reel

Danyll de Lincoln
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From pennsic.eurodance at gmail.com  Fri Jan 31 18:31:47 2014
From: pennsic.eurodance at gmail.com (European Dance Pennsic War)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:31:47 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Pennsic Grand Ball
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Greetings unto the dncers of the Known World from Lady Margherita
Battistina, Dean of the Pennsic School of European Dance!

The magnificent and longstanding Pennsic Grand Ball will be changing this
year, based upon your input and votes from last fall's survey.  Therefore,
to give everyone fair opportunity to practice their dancing and prepare
their clothing, we are announcing these changes early and widespread.  I
apologize to all who will see many duplicates of this message.

First, be it known that the Grand Ball of Pennsic 43 will be a masked ball.
 Don your finest clothing and a lovely mask and join us for a night of
decadence, disguise and dancing (masks not required).  To top it all off,
there will be a prize for the attendee who best displays kingdom heraldry
in your clothing.

Second, be it known that the Grand Ball is moving... in day and in
location.  Based on your votes, the Grand Ball will be on the second Monday
of war, this year the fourth day of August.  In addition, the Grand Ball
will be held in our Dance Pavilion, within the University complex (no more
concrete floor!).

Third, be it known that the set list has been decreed as follows:
Set 1:  Gathering Peascods, Montarde Branle, Bizzaria d'Amore, Petit
Vriens, Hide Park, Petit Rose, Official Branle, Contrapasso, a Pavan &
Galliard
Set 2:  Black Alman, Villanella, Hearts Ease, Rufty Tufty, Gelosia, Pease
Branle, Chirantana, Goddesses, Piva
Set 3:  Ly Bens, Gracca Amorosa, Horses' Branle, Rostiboli, Parsons
Farewell, Madam Cecilia Alman, Amoroso, Whirligig, Cassandra Branle,
Charlotte Branle
Set 4:  New Boe Peep, La Castellana, Jenny Pluck Pears, Anello, Lorayne
Alman, Upon a Summer's Day, Washerwomans Branle, Saltarello

Finally, don't forget to like our Facebook page (
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updates on this and all of our activities in Pennsic School of European
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May you find joy in every step!
Margherita


THL Margherita Battistina (Margaret Roe)
Dean of the School of European Dance, Pennsic 42 & 43