From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 00:35:15 2014 From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 00:35:15 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Gwommy, Alina, and Felice - Court ceremony during the Ball at Terp XX! Message-ID: Youtube is finally finished processing the video! Great thanks to Gwommy's friend Patrick Finkbeiner for filming the ceremony! http://youtu.be/-QRTr0FmCTQ And feel free to check out the rest of my videos, which include some of the dance performances from Terp and a few before that, plus a few Complete Classes from Terpsichore at the Tower XX! And thank you to Felice, Maurin, and Gwommy, and all innocent bystanders in the videos, for allowing me to film the classes and post them! https://www.youtube.com/user/LordDariustheDancer/videos Darius From tmcd at panix.com Thu Apr 10 16:17:57 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:17:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] KWDS 11 has been approved Message-ID: I just checked and I found an update at http://kwds.org/ (It's only about an hour from my niece!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KWDS 11 Altes Rathaus (City Hall) Altes Rathaus, Hauptstrasse 137 63897 Miltenberg Germany Good news - the Board of Directors has approved Mistress Judith's bid for the next Known World Dance Symposium. The official dates are April 15-19, 2015, in the 14th century city hall of Miltenberg am Main (the very place where the good citizens used to host their balls in the late Middle Ages). Dance classes will be held on 2 floors of the site and in 2 rooms in the youth hostel. Another smaller room on the 2nd floor of the site can be used for music or theory classes. All together, up to 5 tracks per day. More details to follow! From tmcd at panix.com Sat Apr 12 02:44:17 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (tmcd at panix.com) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 01:44:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? Message-ID: I'm going thru my notes from Terpsichore. What are good sources for music for - Petite Rose - The Health - Glory of the West Country Capers has a version of Glory of the West, and if I put it thru Audacity to slow it down 50% or so, it might be danceable. Denyel de Lincoln -- Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com From sismith42 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 02:48:25 2014 From: sismith42 at yahoo.com (sismith42 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 23:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1397285305.52573.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web164505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Music for Petit Rose was composed by Chris Elmes of Gaita; I'm not sure if they've recorded it yet. He can be contacted by Chris at gaita. Co.uk Sorry I can't help with the others. Estevana Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From mrailing2 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 05:57:41 2014 From: mrailing2 at yahoo.com (Mary Railing) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 05:57:41 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D217046-3A77-4AEA-BB09-BBD556C75836@yahoo.com> The music for Petit Rose was composed by Chris Elmes of Gaita. It can be found on their album Trobyll Me the Bourdon. I don't know of any recording of Glory of the West that can be used without having to be altered. I like the Broadside Band version from John Playford: Popular Tunes in 17th Century England. It is a good tempo, but the wrong length. --Urraca On Apr 12, 2014, at 2:44 AM, tmcd at panix.com wrote: > I'm going thru my notes from Terpsichore. What are good sources for > music for > - Petite Rose > - The Health > - Glory of the West > > Country Capers has a version of Glory of the West, and if I put it > thru Audacity to slow it down 50% or so, it might be danceable. > > Denyel de Lincoln > -- > Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com > ________________________________________________________________ > To send mail to the entire list, be sure sca-dance at sca-dance.org is listed > in the To line of any response. > > To Unsubscribe send mail to: sca-dance-request at sca-dance.org > > Posting guidlines on the list info page: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-dance > ________________________________________________________________ From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 06:10:28 2014 From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 06:10:28 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <4D217046-3A77-4AEA-BB09-BBD556C75836@yahoo.com> References: <4D217046-3A77-4AEA-BB09-BBD556C75836@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe that Jamie did alter Glory of the West to fit the required speed and repeat structure. Perhaps he can advise on this. Otherwise, I know that some requests have been put in to get some nice recordings done of these, so Aaron and Jadzia may work on them at some point. Darius On 12 April 2014 05:57, Mary Railing wrote: > The music for Petit Rose was composed by Chris Elmes of Gaita. It can be > found on their album Trobyll Me the Bourdon. > > I don't know of any recording of Glory of the West that can be used > without having to be altered. I like the Broadside Band version from John > Playford: Popular Tunes in 17th Century England. It is a good tempo, but > the wrong length. > > --Urraca > > > > On Apr 12, 2014, at 2:44 AM, tmcd at panix.com wrote: > > > I'm going thru my notes from Terpsichore. What are good sources for > > music for > > - Petite Rose > > - The Health > > - Glory of the West > > > > Country Capers has a version of Glory of the West, and if I put it > > thru Audacity to slow it down 50% or so, it might be danceable. > > > > Denyel de Lincoln > > -- > > Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com > > ________________________________________________________________ > > To send mail to the entire list, be sure sca-dance at sca-dance.org is > listed > > in the To line of any response. > > > > To Unsubscribe send mail to: sca-dance-request at sca-dance.org > > > > Posting guidlines on the list info page: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-dance > > ________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________ > To send mail to the entire list, be sure sca-dance at sca-dance.org is listed > in the To line of any response. > > To Unsubscribe send mail to: sca-dance-request at sca-dance.org > > Posting guidlines on the list info page: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-dance > ________________________________________________________________ > From john.white at drexel.edu Sat Apr 12 12:44:03 2014 From: john.white at drexel.edu (White,John) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 16:44:03 +0000 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> >I'm going thru my notes from Terpsichore. What are good sources for >music for >- Petite Rose I really need one too, since the one I got from DHDS isn't long enough by a single measure, which boggles my mind since they composed their piece specifically for their reconstruction (which I did not get from them), and I just don't see how they could have reconstructed it wrong. >- The Health I have two sources for this. The first is a great two volume set called The English Dancing Master, by Orange and Blue, and the Ranchers. The instrumentation is somewhat modern (i.e an accordion features prominently), but the arrangements are done for dancing so the speed and repeats are good. I don't offhand recall having to doctor up any of their tracks. Plus, they've got a lot of 1st Edition pieces among the 54 tracks on the two volumes. The double-CD album is available, but mostly from the UK, so it isn't cheap. However, I would say that it is worth the price. The second source may be impossible to find. It comes from a cassette tape transferred to CD, which I don't think is available any more. It is The companions of St Cecilia volume 1. I don't know the pieces well enough to rate them - which is better, etc - but I know that the EDM piece is good to listen to and good to dance to, as well as being available. >- Glory of the West > >Country Capers has a version of Glory of the West, and if I put it >thru Audacity to slow it down 50% or so, it might be danceable. I use either this version, with the repeat of the B music removed, of course, or a patched together version that uses the June Tabor version (extracted from track 11 of Aleyn - June Tabor loves her ECD, and mixed pieces in with other pieces quite a bit, so she's a good source of tracks if you have the ability to piece things together, with, say, Audacity). Popular Tunes in 17th Century England (Broadside Band, of course) has a good-tempo version, though again, it needs to have the repeat of the B music extracted. Another source (which cannot be used without patching, both for repeats *and* because no one believes that the B music can/should be unrepeated) include: Apollo's Banquet by Douglas, O'Dette, and Lawrence-King. > >Denyel de Lincoln \\Dayfdd C From dani at pobox.com Sat Apr 12 12:55:18 2014 From: dani at pobox.com (Dani Zweig) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 12:55:18 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> Message-ID: > It is The companions of St Cecilia volume 1. http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/Cecilia_1/ On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM, White,John wrote: > >I'm going thru my notes from Terpsichore. What are good sources for > >music for > >- Petite Rose > > I really need one too, since the one I got from DHDS isn't long enough by > a single measure, which > boggles my mind since they composed their piece specifically for their > reconstruction (which I did > not get from them), and I just don't see how they could have reconstructed > it wrong. > > >- The Health > > I have two sources for this. The first is a great two volume set called > The English Dancing Master, by > Orange and Blue, and the Ranchers. The instrumentation is somewhat modern > (i.e an accordion features > prominently), but the arrangements are done for dancing so the speed and > repeats are good. I don't > offhand recall having to doctor up any of their tracks. Plus, they've got > a lot of 1st Edition pieces among > the 54 tracks on the two volumes. The double-CD album is available, but > mostly from the UK, so it isn't > cheap. However, I would say that it is worth the price. > > The second source may be impossible to find. It comes from a cassette > tape transferred to CD, which > I don't think is available any more. It is The companions of St Cecilia > volume 1. > > I don't know the pieces well enough to rate them - which is better, etc - > but I know that the EDM piece > is good to listen to and good to dance to, as well as being available. > > > >- Glory of the West > > > >Country Capers has a version of Glory of the West, and if I put it > >thru Audacity to slow it down 50% or so, it might be danceable. > > I use either this version, with the repeat of the B music removed, of > course, or a patched together > version that uses the June Tabor version (extracted from track 11 of Aleyn > - June Tabor loves her > ECD, and mixed pieces in with other pieces quite a bit, so she's a good > source of tracks if you have > the ability to piece things together, with, say, Audacity). Popular Tunes > in 17th Century England > (Broadside Band, of course) has a good-tempo version, though again, it > needs to have the repeat > of the B music extracted. > > Another source (which cannot be used without patching, both for repeats > *and* because > no one believes that the B music can/should be unrepeated) include: > Apollo's Banquet by > Douglas, O'Dette, and Lawrence-King. > > > > >Denyel de Lincoln > > > \\Dayfdd C > ________________________________________________________________ > To send mail to the entire list, be sure sca-dance at sca-dance.org is listed > in the To line of any response. > > To Unsubscribe send mail to: sca-dance-request at sca-dance.org > > Posting guidlines on the list info page: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-dance > ________________________________________________________________ > From tmcd at panix.com Sat Apr 12 14:32:52 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:32:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Apr 2014, White,John wrote: >> - The Health > > The second source may be impossible to find. It comes from a > cassette tape transferred to CD, which I don't think is available > any more. It is The companions of St Cecilia volume 1. Thank you, Google. http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/Cecilia_1/ Daniel Delindquist -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From jducoeur at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 19:19:11 2014 From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:19:11 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM, White,John wrote: > I have two sources for this. The first is a great two volume set called > The English Dancing Master, by > Orange and Blue, and the Ranchers. The instrumentation is somewhat modern > (i.e an accordion features > prominently), but the arrangements are done for dancing so the speed and > repeats are good. I don't > offhand recall having to doctor up any of their tracks. Plus, they've got > a lot of 1st Edition pieces among > the 54 tracks on the two volumes. The double-CD album is available, but > mostly from the UK, so it isn't > cheap. However, I would say that it is worth the price. > Don't know the Health specifically, but seconded in general. This album has been Carolingia's go-to for ECD for over 30 years. We had a cassette copy for so long that we actually didn't know what it was any more until Gundormr found the CDs and updated us to those. As Dafydd says, it's distinctly modern, but it is one of the most consistently *usable* collections of ECD I know anywhere -- most of the recordings work for the common-use reconstructions, and it's generally pleasant and upbeat. From tmcd at panix.com Sat Apr 12 23:08:20 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 22:08:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <4D217046-3A77-4AEA-BB09-BBD556C75836@yahoo.com> References: <4D217046-3A77-4AEA-BB09-BBD556C75836@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Apr 2014, Mary Railing wrote: > The music for Petit Rose was composed by Chris Elmes of Gaita. It > can be found on their album Trobyll Me the Bourdon. 'Your search - "Trobyll Me the Bourdon" - did not match any documents.' http://www.gaita.co.uk/CD_Trobyll.html Trobyll me the bordon Dances from the 15th Century Danielis de Lindicolino -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From tmcd at panix.com Sun Apr 13 00:27:50 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 23:27:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> Message-ID: > Country Capers has a version of Glory of the West, and if I put it > thru Audacity to slow it down 50% or so, it might be danceable. So I tried it. My apologies if I get the terminology wrong, because I am no kind of sound engineer, especially with the bizarre technology that is Audacity. Dear Lord. I first tried the two stretch-type effects I could see -- make it longer without altering the pitch. To get a good tempo, I had to take it to half speed. But then it sounded choppy and unpleasant. So I tried it just changing speed, which I think drops it an octave. It managed to sound mournful and sound too slow, even though it was actually a good speed. Also, it is very quiet. They bring in enough instruments on the third verse that there's not much room to amplify it without chopping, which sounded bad, but it still sounded softer than I wanted. The English Dancing Master: The glory of the west The Broadside Band & Jeremy Barlow John Playford: Popular Tunes in 17th Century England it is, then. Amazon's preview sounds like a decent tempo, though not as nice-sounding as I'd like. Danett de Lincoln -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From upelluri at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 13:17:37 2014 From: upelluri at gmail.com (Aaron Macks) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 13:17:37 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> Message-ID: <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> "The Glory of the West" - There's also a copy on "John Playford, the english dancing master" by John Wright, et al. I don't know any source for this recording except this: http://time-has-told-me.blogspot.com/2009/12/va-john-playford.html of possibly dubious legality GunDormr On 4/13/14 12:27 AM, Tim McDaniel wrote: >> Country Capers has a version of Glory of the West, and if I put it >> thru Audacity to slow it down 50% or so, it might be danceable. > > So I tried it. My apologies if I get the terminology wrong, because I > am no kind of sound engineer, especially with the bizarre technology > that is Audacity. > > > Dear Lord. > > I first tried the two stretch-type effects I could see -- make it > longer without altering the pitch. To get a good tempo, I had to take > it to half speed. But then it sounded choppy and unpleasant. > > So I tried it just changing speed, which I think drops it an octave. > It managed to sound mournful and sound too slow, even though it was > actually a good speed. > > Also, it is very quiet. They bring in enough instruments on the third > verse that there's not much room to amplify it without chopping, which > sounded bad, but it still sounded softer than I wanted. > > The English Dancing Master: The glory of the west > The Broadside Band & Jeremy Barlow > John Playford: Popular Tunes in 17th Century England > > it is, then. Amazon's preview sounds like a decent tempo, though > not as nice-sounding as I'd like. > > Danett de Lincoln > -- _______________________________________________________ Aaron Macks(aaronm at wiglaf.org) [http://www.wiglaf.org/~aaronm ] My sheep has seven gall bladders, that makes me the King of the Universe! From charlene281 at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 14:44:46 2014 From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene C) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 13:44:46 -0500 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was just about to re-post this link. Their version is slower than Country Capers (1:52 vs 1:26 in length). It's a French LP from 1978. I can't find where it was ever released on CD, but the keywords are so common searching is difficult. --Perronnelle On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Aaron Macks wrote: > "The Glory of the West" - > There's also a copy on "John Playford, the english dancing master" by > John Wright, et al. I don't know any source for this recording except > this: http://time-has-told-me.blogspot.com/2009/12/va-john-playford.html > of possibly dubious legality > > GunDormr > > On 4/13/14 12:27 AM, Tim McDaniel wrote: >>> Country Capers has a version of Glory of the West, and if I put it >>> thru Audacity to slow it down 50% or so, it might be danceable. >> >> So I tried it. My apologies if I get the terminology wrong, because I >> am no kind of sound engineer, especially with the bizarre technology >> that is Audacity. >> >> >> Dear Lord. >> >> I first tried the two stretch-type effects I could see -- make it >> longer without altering the pitch. To get a good tempo, I had to take >> it to half speed. But then it sounded choppy and unpleasant. >> >> So I tried it just changing speed, which I think drops it an octave. >> It managed to sound mournful and sound too slow, even though it was >> actually a good speed. >> >> Also, it is very quiet. They bring in enough instruments on the third >> verse that there's not much room to amplify it without chopping, which >> sounded bad, but it still sounded softer than I wanted. >> >> The English Dancing Master: The glory of the west >> The Broadside Band & Jeremy Barlow >> John Playford: Popular Tunes in 17th Century England >> >> it is, then. Amazon's preview sounds like a decent tempo, though >> not as nice-sounding as I'd like. >> >> Danett de Lincoln >> > > -- > _______________________________________________________ > Aaron Macks(aaronm at wiglaf.org) [http://www.wiglaf.org/~aaronm ] > My sheep has seven gall bladders, that makes me the King of the Universe! > ________________________________________________________________ > To send mail to the entire list, be sure sca-dance at sca-dance.org is listed > in the To line of any response. > > To Unsubscribe send mail to: sca-dance-request at sca-dance.org > > Posting guidlines on the list info page: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-dance > ________________________________________________________________ From charlene281 at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 14:54:36 2014 From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene C) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 13:54:36 -0500 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> Message-ID: This 2-CD set was originally published as four LPs in the 1975-1980; there are two bands, Orange & Blue and The Ranchers. The Whirligig [Woodicock] version I hear most often in the SCA is from this collection. The Barony has two of the LPs and I had converted them to mp3s. I was SO thrilled when I found the CDs. It's for sale here: http://folkshop.efdss.org/CDs/English+Dancing+Master+CD.html ?16 / US$26 + shipping http://www.aads.be/order.php?id=EFDSS%209 EURO 19 / US$26 + shipping If several people want a copy, you can probably save on shipping by doing a group order. I've done that with SCA friends ordering books and CDs. Sometimes you can even get a volume discount price. I once got a dozen books at $75/ea that were selling in the US for $100/ea. --Perronnelle On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Justin du coeur wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM, White,John wrote: > >> I have two sources for this. The first is a great two volume set called >> The English Dancing Master, by >> Orange and Blue, and the Ranchers. The instrumentation is somewhat modern >> (i.e an accordion features >> prominently), but the arrangements are done for dancing so the speed and >> repeats are good. I don't >> offhand recall having to doctor up any of their tracks. Plus, they've got >> a lot of 1st Edition pieces among >> the 54 tracks on the two volumes. The double-CD album is available, but >> mostly from the UK, so it isn't >> cheap. However, I would say that it is worth the price. >> > > Don't know the Health specifically, but seconded in general. This album > has been Carolingia's go-to for ECD for over 30 years. We had a cassette > copy for so long that we actually didn't know what it was any more until > Gundormr found the CDs and updated us to those. As Dafydd says, it's > distinctly modern, but it is one of the most consistently *usable* > collections of ECD I know anywhere -- most of the recordings work for the > common-use reconstructions, and it's generally pleasant and upbeat. > ________________________________________________________________ > To send mail to the entire list, be sure sca-dance at sca-dance.org is listed > in the To line of any response. > > To Unsubscribe send mail to: sca-dance-request at sca-dance.org > > Posting guidlines on the list info page: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-dance > ________________________________________________________________ From tmcd at panix.com Sun Apr 13 15:03:58 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 14:03:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014, Aaron Macks wrote: > "The Glory of the West" - > There's also a copy on "John Playford, the english dancing master" by > John Wright, et al. I don't know any source for this recording except > this: http://time-has-told-me.blogspot.com/2009/12/va-john-playford.html > of possibly dubious legality Oh, I had that! A bit brisk for dancers unfamiliar with it, but not *too* bad. But it too repeats the chorus. I bought Glory_of_the_West__Broadside_Band__John_Playford__Popular_Tunes_in_17th_Century_England off Amazon. It's a bit slower ... but also repeats the chorus. And I hope nobody here worked on the user interface for Audacity, because, due to that user interface, that is by far the most hideously frustrating program I have ever tried to use. I have three copies of the Gaita CD on order, for Petite Rose. And I'd forgotten they did Gresly dances -- woot. Dankyn de Lyncoln -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 15:18:26 2014 From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 15:18:26 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just as a caution, as with many dance reconstructions, you may see some variations on some of the Gresley that Gaita have recorded, versus some of the versions we do around here / as have been entered into the Terp book. Emma and Martin have done a lot of work going through all the Gresley, and so they are one source, but I've seen variations vs Gaita's work. But typically they are quite lovely, and even with the occasional varying structure, you can still make the dance work with only slight modification. (I was dancing Grene Gynger the other day at my practice, and it was really strange, that either I'm missing something in the instructions I had, or their reconstruction is just slightly different, because for each repeat of the dance I had exactly 8 leftover beats to fill. I decided to add a set and turn, based on absolutely no information, and I'm sure it is wrong, but it filled the time for me and looked nice. And thus a new (incorrect) dance variation was born!) :) Darius On 13 April 2014 15:03, Tim McDaniel wrote: > On Sun, 13 Apr 2014, Aaron Macks wrote: > > "The Glory of the West" - > > There's also a copy on "John Playford, the english dancing master" by > > John Wright, et al. I don't know any source for this recording except > > this: http://time-has-told-me.blogspot.com/2009/12/va-john-playford.html > > of possibly dubious legality > > Oh, I had that! A bit brisk for dancers unfamiliar with it, but not > *too* bad. But it too repeats the chorus. > > I bought > > Glory_of_the_West__Broadside_Band__John_Playford__Popular_Tunes_in_17th_Century_England > off Amazon. It's a bit slower ... but also repeats the chorus. > > And I hope nobody here worked on the user interface for Audacity, > because, due to that user interface, that is by far the most > hideously frustrating program I have ever tried to use. > > > I have three copies of the Gaita CD on order, for Petite Rose. And > I'd forgotten they did Gresly dances -- woot. > > Dankyn de Lyncoln > -- > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > ________________________________________________________________ > To send mail to the entire list, be sure sca-dance at sca-dance.org is listed > in the To line of any response. > > To Unsubscribe send mail to: sca-dance-request at sca-dance.org > > Posting guidlines on the list info page: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-dance > ________________________________________________________________ > From tmcd at panix.com Sun Apr 13 16:35:24 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 15:35:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014, David Learmonth wrote: > (I was dancing Grene Gynger the other day at my practice, and it was > really strange, that either I'm missing something in the instructions I > had, or their reconstruction is just slightly different, because for each > repeat of the dance I had exactly 8 leftover beats to fill. I decided to > add a set and turn Trett retrett and turn, surely? Danielis de Lindo -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 17:01:35 2014 From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 17:01:35 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, yes, of course! :) On 13 April 2014 16:35, Tim McDaniel wrote: > On Sun, 13 Apr 2014, David Learmonth wrote: > > (I was dancing Grene Gynger the other day at my practice, and it was > > really strange, that either I'm missing something in the instructions I > > had, or their reconstruction is just slightly different, because for each > > repeat of the dance I had exactly 8 leftover beats to fill. I decided to > > add a set and turn > > Trett retrett and turn, surely? > > Danielis de Lindo > -- > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > ________________________________________________________________ > To send mail to the entire list, be sure sca-dance at sca-dance.org is listed > in the To line of any response. > > To Unsubscribe send mail to: sca-dance-request at sca-dance.org > > Posting guidlines on the list info page: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-dance > ________________________________________________________________ > From tmcd at panix.com Mon Apr 14 01:25:33 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (tmcd at panix.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:25:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] Notes on "The Health" Message-ID: I want to bring several dances back from Terpsichore at the Tower to the local dance group. One is "The Health", Playford 1651, taught by James. http://www.rendancedb.org/dance_detail.php?id=215 (Looking at the facsimile just now: James taught the first chorus as each middle person casting off a full circle, thereby returning to their new place. Is Playford's wording consistent with casting halfway each time, so at the halfway mark everyone is exchanged with an adjacent person, with everyone only getting home at the end of the entire chorus? In support, Playford doesn't say that everyone gets back to their places halfway thru chorus 1, unlike what he clearly writes for choruses 2 and 3. It's not consistent with choruses 2 and 3, which has everyone back to their new place at the halfway point, but it's therefore much more interesting.) The circling in verse 2: James taught it as circling clockwise halfway, set, continue circling clockwise to get home, set. We couldn't make it in time, and Playford ends "That back againe _:_". So we did clockwise, set, counter-clockwise, set, and all was well. As for circling back to back: that gave us fits. We are mostly older folks. One dancer can't easily do slipping sideways. Various dancers have problems with joints. We tried a few things: not holding hands but just pressing arms against others' arms; locking elbows; tightening the circle. Those could help a bit but still felt awkward, and we still couldn't get around in the time allotted. We considered just not turning around and doing the circle face to face, but Playford wrote "backward" twice, and this notion wouldn't help the person who has trouble slipping. After our last dance, someone came up with "walk like an Egyptian", or like the old barrel of monkeys toy. One person notably took it further: like the position of a courtesy turn in contradance, her right hand was forward but her left hand was in the small of her back. She said that she found it more comfortable than extending her left arm backwards. With this arm position, we were all walking forward, and it's also a tighter circle than just plain back to back. We tried this only in a walkthru and haven't danced it yet, but we did get a circle of 4 back to place in plenty of time, so we expect it to work. Playford wrote "Hands all backward": this is more "hands all, with one hand backward each". But we need to adapt the dance or drop it. Danielis de Lindocolina -- Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com From tmcd at panix.com Tue Apr 29 12:23:19 2014 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:23:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-Dance] 1500 rip rip trab trab? Message-ID: I don't suppose there's evidence in Italian dance in 1500 or before of little sideways steps repeated in the same direction? I looked briefly in the Terp booklet at Domenico dances, but the glance suggested that they appeared in pairs right and left. It's just me worrying at Gresley dances _again_. I happened to think of the 16th C ripresa ripresa trabuchetto trabuchetto and realized that the movement would look like a rake. Danett de Linccolne -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From patches023 at verizon.net Tue Apr 29 22:43:50 2014 From: patches023 at verizon.net (Sonya) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:43:50 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings, I would like to resurrect this topic with an update, not a good one I am afraid. A recent Atlantian event was short staffed a dance master (the original dance master had a family crisis) so I went up to lead the dancing. I thought, surely this time there will be dancing after the feast. Surely! Because: 1) the feast was starting at 5-5:30, which is nice and early and 2) the King is a big fan of dancing (at a recent fighting event he taught a dance class for fighters). Well, the site had such severe electrical problems that the kitchen (which was primitive to begin with) was using generators and the local electrical company sent out not vans but two big trucks with cherry-pickers. So (say it with me) the feast started late and ran long****. After feast everyone packed up to go home. No one was interested in dancing. The thing is that on the surface it seems that non-dancers want dance at events. It was on the schedule. The autocrat went out of her way to recruit me. They saved a feast spot for me and a friend. The autocrat came up and apologized afterwards, which I appreciated. YIS a rather dejected, Patches **** As I said in the original email on this subject, I know that it is difficult to do a feast and that everyone is doing their best. I know that for this feast the cook staff was working very hard and trying to overcome many obstacles. I hope this post is not taken as a slam on the cooks or autocrats. From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 22:27:53 2014 From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:27:53 -0400 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing at non-dance events In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Patches, Locally, we've basically decided not to try to do dance after feasts. It seems that between feasts running long, and sites closing earlier, or just general cleanup, or families heading home, it just doesn't tend to happen any more. But we've had some success with dance in the Afternoons at events, even though it is up against a lot of other activities usually. As a cheerful note, we did a few hours of dancing (with some pauses in there) just this past weekend at Ealdormere Coronation. Yay! :) I'd say that it seems like our best shot lately, other than dance-specific events (which draw all of us out anyways, and varying numbers of local SCAdians), and dance practices (at which I'm ecstatic to be getting 6 people on average lately, no sarcasm here, I have a lot of fun and do a lot of dances). Darius On 29 April 2014 22:43, Sonya wrote: > Greetings, > > I would like to resurrect this topic with an update, not a good one I am > afraid. From aylwengg at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 20:46:27 2014 From: aylwengg at gmail.com (Aylwen Gardiner-Garden) Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 10:46:27 +1000 Subject: [SCA-Dance] 1500 rip rip trab trab? Message-ID: What a good question and a good reason for asking. Here's some thoughts wending towards an answer... In the 15th century manuscripts the Italian term ripresa (plural riprese) is often used like French a form of honouring or as punctuation between sections of a dance. Where, however, the latter is a step done backwards, the former seems usually a step to the side or backwards only in the sense that it might wheel the dancer a ? or ? about. Unlike the late 16th century Italian ripresa, the late 15th century Italian ripresa usually covers more ground and takes longer than a continenza. In the late 15th century it would usually take a whole measure-which in quadernaria timing is 4 counts and in bassadanza timing 6 counts (there don't seem to be any instances of this step in either piva or saltarello timing), but occasionally we have texts call for riprese for which they allocate only half that amount (e.g. Mercantia, Petit Rinensis and Spero). The later the text the more likely it seems that a shorter timing is implied. For your purposes, however, more important that the time allocated to the 'term' is whether a ripresa was a simple step (such as a slow single) or a compound step (like a side-ways or retiring double). Speaking infavour of interpreting the word as denoting a single step might be the fact that it is unambiguously so used a hundred years later. Speaking in favour of interpreting the word as denoting a compound step might be both the fact that more than one of these later riprese can fit in the time of one of these early ones, and the fact that in the Cevera manuscript the notion for a reprise is a squiggle that looks a little like a 3 and this might represent two movements. I myself do not consistently interpret them as a single or double step, but let myself be led by the musical, dance and social context. It is sometimes useful to have a slow single riprese offer some contrast in the middle of an otherwise busy passage, but sometimes useful to make the riprese a double step when you need to use it to turn about. Coming now to your search for early indications of a 'rip rip trab trab' formula, we might then have the 'rip rip' hidden in the simple term 'ripresa', but we don't get a clear 'trab trab' following it. We do, however, sometimes have the word ripresa or riprese qualified by another word or expression, and invariably the meaning is not entirely clear. We have two riprese larghe to turn about in Ingrata but it is not clear from the context why they are 'slow/wide/broad'. We also have several types of riprese which in context seem to go on diagonals. We have una ripresa sul gallone in Corona, as well as in 'Damnes'). We find riprese portoghalese in Spero and Venus, as well as in 'Caterva', 'Damnes', and 'Principessa'-most commonly but not always in groups of three and occasional larghe. Most interesting of all for your puruposes, we read of riprese galopade in Chastellana, as well as in 'Fortunosa'. The term 'galoppo' seems to denote a sprung step that occurs in sets of two or three. As manuscripts sometimes substitute a sempio or piva for a galoppo (or vice-versa) it is possible that a galoppo is either a sempio beginning or ending with a hop or some form of piva that is different from the usual. As it is hard to conceive of the later, I have often opted for the former interpretation. The step is also called for in the Siena (Sc) manuscript of Gelosia, Ingrata and Malgratiosa at points were they would seem to take the same time as an unhurried single and where they may well be steps with a hop. Could it, however, be a more divided measure still? I have interpreted the riprese galopati (in Chastelana) as a brisk 'Irish 7's' like stepping to the side with 11 weight changes inside the 6 counts of the bassedance measure. Could riprese galopati when done on an angle in double time be the Gresley rak? The term rak in the Gresley manuscript, as you and all who venture into that material are aware, would seem to have some connotation of dragging across the ground and/or of going at an angle to a perpendicular or the grain. The ending of the Gresley dance Talbott (Then togeder 2 doblis, 2 rakis, and a turne) thus seems a little like the ending of Petit Riense where dancers meet a double, do a ripresa each way and then turn single. (other suggest the 3 Rakkys and a stop in the Gresley dance 'Hawthorne' (no. 21) might be like the '3 singles to the right' (iii s a destre) in the Nancy dance Basse Dance de Bourbon). Does this mean, however, the whole sequence is in the one direction-as in the 3 part French demanche /reprise, or is it more like the contemporary continenza or later trango/trangato and more likely to involve and alternation of direction? Is it possible that when there are 3 they are all on an angle back to the right, but when there are 2, they are angled back to one side then the other like a pair of trangati in a Caroso cascade or simply to the directly to one side then the other like a pair of continenze? Is it possible that in some contexts they are like an English country dance setting step each way?- and thus the combination we find in Prense on Gre rak both togeder and torne, which in my reconstruction of that dance I interpreted as set and turn. All the best with your pondering! In the absence of a consistently satisfying solution, I myself have been happy satisfy 'rak' slightly differently in different Gresley dances/contexts. For 700 plus pages devoted to 1450-1550 dance, dance evolution, dance sources, steps, figures, dance reconstructions etc (reconstructions of the dance and music for Eglamowr, Esperans, Libeaus Disconus, Northumberland, Prenes a gard. 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Billets are possible for early out-of-town bookers. It's not an SCA event but SCAers are very welcome and will be amazed to discover the scene and standard we have. Warmest regards, Dr John Gardiner-Garden garden at earthlydelights.com.au *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy * On 30 April 2014 02:23, Tim McDaniel wrote: > I don't suppose there's evidence in Italian dance in 1500 or before of > little sideways steps repeated in the same direction? I looked > briefly in the Terp booklet at Domenico dances, but the glance > suggested that they appeared in pairs right and left. > > It's just me worrying at Gresley dances _again_. I happened to think > of the 16th C ripresa ripresa trabuchetto trabuchetto and realized > that the movement would look like a rake. > > Danett de Linccolne > -- > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From judithsca at aol.com Mon Apr 7 18:58:45 2014 From: judithsca at aol.com (Rachel/Judith) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:58:45 -0000 Subject: [SCA-Dance] KWDS 2015! Message-ID: <8D120CC0E0E9C02-2080-350F3@webmail-vm057.sysops.aol.com> Salvete! The BoD has officially approved my bid for KWDS 2015, so we are go! The dates are April 15-19, 2015, location Miltenberg am Main, Germany, in the 14th cenutry city hall. Best airport is Frankfurt International (FRA). More details to follow in a couple of weeks when I return from vacation! Judith From johnbobmead at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 13:38:37 2014 From: johnbobmead at gmail.com (John Mead) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 17:38:37 -0000 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Music for Petite Rose, The Health, Glory of the West? In-Reply-To: <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> References: <6CEF9498CE7F2A4AB4B8F0CD27CB36D2212AE54B@MB4.drexel.edu> <534AC6B1.3090204@gmail.com> Message-ID: The blog's link is for Megaupload, which was shut down several years ago for copyright violation. So while the blog posting is good for knowing the LP exists, it no longer leads to a downloadable file. Ian Jameson On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Aaron Macks wrote: > "The Glory of the West" - > There's also a copy on "John Playford, the english dancing master" by > John Wright, et al. I don't know any source for this recording except > this: http://time-has-told-me.blogspot.com/2009/12/va-john-playford.html > of possibly dubious legality > > GunDormr > > From rignachargyll at yahoo.co.uk Thu Apr 3 10:19:26 2014 From: rignachargyll at yahoo.co.uk (Kathleen - Yahoo) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:19:26 -0000 Subject: [SCA-Dance] Need assistance, please Message-ID: <002901cf4f47$b792d780$26b88680$@yahoo.co.uk> Hello Dance Masters, I need some desperate help please. I need to help my Candidate for the Madrone Sergeantry learn to Dance! This sounds pretty extreme, but she can dance (line dancing) and I have some Dance Awards from back in the days of the West. So : For her demo: 1) Can someone email me the pattern of the steps to Graca Amoroso along with the name or a link to the music. I may have the piece on a recording here somewhere. I have danced this in the past for demos, so I can dust off the skills with a bit of a prompt. For her dance to teach: 2) Can someone recommend a simple-to-teach (she has to teach it) dance that an Italian Courtesan would have known, along with music links, or name of the piece. I think her persona is pretty late period 1550-1600ish. We have four and a half months to learn the music and steps, so no time to waste. Lady Rignach of Argyll Lancer of Madrone --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com