From nique.rio at gmail.com  Tue Mar  5 10:51:00 2013
From: nique.rio at gmail.com (Monique Rio)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:51:00 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Teaching and Performing at St. Cecilia at the Tower
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Greetings!

St. Cecilia at the Tower, The Barony of Cynnabar?s Period Music Event,
is fast approaching, and we are looking for people to share their
research, knowledge, and talents at the event.

Date: May 18, 2013
Location: St. Paul?s UCC in Saline, MI
Website: http://www.cynnabar.org/cecilia

If you?d like to teach we are looking for teachers. The class must be
period music related and/or performance related. For example, a class
on how to be a better performer would be perfectly fine. A class on
filking modern tunes would be rejected. If you have any questions
about the rules, please ask. We?re also looking for a couple people to
lead some sight-reading sessions during the day.

There is a concert in the evening. If you or your ensemble would like
to perform a few pieces, let me know.

Yay Music!
-Jadzia
Event Steward for St. Cecilia at the Tower

P.S. I realize this is a dance list, but dance music is -- generally--
period, and I know there are other musicians on this list. :P

From tmcd at panix.com  Wed Mar  6 12:34:31 2013
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:34:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Sloane 3858, an ECD source
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http://www.peterdur.com/dance/sloane3858.htm is Peter Durham's
transcription of MS Sloane 3858, an undated manuscript of 10 English
country dances.  He described it as

"British Museum Library MS Sloane 3858. 17th or 18th c."

The British MUSEUM replied to me suggesting that I check with the
British LIBRARY.  "Our original library collections, the departments
of books and manuscripts of the British Museum, became part of the
British Library in 1973.  Our current libraries are mainly specialist
collections reflecting the object collections in the British Museum.
The material you seek would now be at the British Library in St
Pancras."

I did a search on the British LIBRARY Web site under Archives and
Manuscripts and immediately got a hit.

I don't suppose anyone on this list is in easy striking distance of
London?  ("... starting off dispiritedly. 'Num...?' -a particle which
notoriously 'expects the answer No.'" -- DOrothy Sayers, _Gaudy Night_)

Danihel Lindocolina
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From charlene281 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 01:12:18 2013
From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:12:18 -0500
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Italian dance workshop suggestions
Message-ID: <CAHUFDpMt0xfkD=u_NQVSU0E_Kvv+3bxmVNbn84aGvksVZ3Ckeg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be
your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some
ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.

--Perronnelle

From annikki1973 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 06:09:00 2013
From: annikki1973 at gmail.com (Annikki Raiford)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 06:09:00 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
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On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Charlene Charette
<charlene281 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be
> your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some
> ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
> do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.
>
> --Perronnelle

15th: Petit Riens, Rostiboli, and Anello
16th: Ballo del Fiore, La Castellana, and Contrapasso en Due

You might want to tailor that to what's popular around you, so that
attendees are more likely to be able to take what they learn and use
it at other events.  You could also replace one of those and do some
good How-to-Improv-a-Piva/Saltarello/Pavanne?

Adele Desfontaines

From mrailing2 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 13 07:14:40 2013
From: mrailing2 at yahoo.com (Mary Railing)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 04:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
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On the assumption that what you want to teach is the dances most likely to be encountered at a ball, rather than the ones I think are the prettiest or the easiest, my list (based on Middle Kingdom events) would be:

Rostiboli
Petit Riens
Gelosia

Gracca Amorosa
Contrapasso in due
Bizzaria d'Amore

--Urraca


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 From: Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>
To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:12 AM
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Italian dance workshop suggestions
 
I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be
your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some
ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.

--Perronnelle
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From jducoeur at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 08:27:02 2013
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:27:02 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
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On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be
> your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some
> ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
> do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.


Assuming no prior knowledge (and thus, skewing easy), I'd probably do:

15th: Amoroso, Petit Riens, Anello
16th: Villanella, Alta Regina.  Not sure of the third offhand -- maybe
Ballo del Fiore?

From mrailing2 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 13 09:00:55 2013
From: mrailing2 at yahoo.com (Mary Railing)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
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The problem with Alta Regina and Petit Rose is that there is no available recording of the music, so unless you have a live band you can't dance them.

--Urraca


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To: Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com> 
Cc: SCA Dance <sca-dance at sca-dance.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
 
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be
> your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some
> ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
> do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.


Assuming no prior knowledge (and thus, skewing easy), I'd probably do:

15th: Amoroso, Petit Riens, Anello
16th: Villanella, Alta Regina.? Not sure of the third offhand -- maybe
Ballo del Fiore?
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From kngarner at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 13 09:13:57 2013
From: kngarner at sbcglobal.net (Kirsten Garner)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 06:13:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
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Petit Rose can be found on the DHDS CD "To Celebrate a Prince". 

Alta Regina is on "Selva Amorosa" by Scaramella, "Celeste Giglio" by the Lacrimae Emsemble, and "Revels for 1588" by the Broadside Band.

Of course, it may depend on how the dance has been reconstructed. :) 

Julian

--- On Wed, 3/13/13, Mary Railing <mrailing2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mary Railing <mrailing2 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
> To: "sca-dance at sca-dance.org" <sca-dance at sca-dance.org>
> Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 8:00 AM

> The problem with Alta Regina and
> Petit Rose is that there is no available recording of the
> music, so unless you have a live band you can't dance them.
> 
> --Urraca


From jducoeur at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 09:19:12 2013
From: jducoeur at gmail.com (Justin du coeur)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:19:12 -0400
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On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Mary Railing <mrailing2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The problem with Alta Regina and Petit Rose is that there is no available
> recording of the music, so unless you have a live band you can't dance them.


Actually, there *is* a recording of Alta Regina, just not a great one.
 When Clara did her pamphlet on Caroso dances (around 8 years ago?), I did
synth recordings of the dances therein, four or five of them.

It's by no means a pretty recording -- it's distinctly synthesized -- but
by the standards of synth it's adequate.  We can dig it out for folks if
there's demand for it -- it's what we use to teach Alta Regina, and it
functions reasonably well...

From mrailing2 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 13 09:28:31 2013
From: mrailing2 at yahoo.com (Mary Railing)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
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It would certainly be helpful if you would make your synth recording available somewhere that people can download it. None of the commercial recordings of Alta Regina work with your reconstruction. They are all arranged for the version in Nobilta di Dame, which has a different repeat structure.

--Urraca


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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
 

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Mary Railing <mrailing2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

The problem with Alta Regina and Petit Rose is that there is no available recording of the music, so unless you have a live band you can't dance them.

Actually, there *is* a recording of Alta Regina, just not a great one. ?When Clara did her pamphlet on Caroso dances (around 8 years ago?), I did synth recordings of the dances therein, four or five of them.

It's by no means a pretty recording -- it's distinctly synthesized -- but by the standards of synth it's adequate. ?We can dig it out for folks if there's demand for it -- it's what we use to teach Alta Regina, and it functions reasonably well...

From dpeters at panix.com  Wed Mar 13 10:09:58 2013
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:09:58 -0400 (EDT)
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Mary Railing wrote:

> The problem with Alta Regina and Petit Rose is that there is no 
> available recording of the music, so unless you have a live band you 
> can't dance them.

I thought Justin said "Petit Riens," of which there are many danceable 
recorded versions.

Rufina/DP
(who just worked out an alternate tune for Petit Rose based on an 
early-fifteenth-century chanson--but that's another story)

> ________________________________
> From: Justin du coeur <jducoeur at gmail.com>
> To: Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>
> Cc: SCA Dance <sca-dance at sca-dance.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be
>> your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some
>> ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
>> do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.
>
>
> Assuming no prior knowledge (and thus, skewing easy), I'd probably do:
>
> 15th: Amoroso, Petit Riens, Anello
> 16th: Villanella, Alta Regina.? Not sure of the third offhand -- maybe
> Ballo del Fiore?
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"Some musicians really fall in love with an instrument and want to live in
the sound of it, but I am more the kind of musician who loves a type of
music and will shamelessly bang away on whatever will get me to that kind
of music...."
      --Shira Kammen

From pub at andrew.draskoy.net  Wed Mar 13 10:33:48 2013
From: pub at andrew.draskoy.net (Andrew Draskoy)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:03:48 -0230
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Most beautiful 16c Italian dances
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The previous thread made me wonder which dances experienced dancers
consider the best-crafted, most artistic dances.  Which dances should
we aspire to learn?

Miklos

From mrailing2 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 13 12:19:47 2013
From: mrailing2 at yahoo.com (Mary Railing)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:19:47 -0700 (PDT)
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No, the other dance mentioned was Petit *Rose*, which someone said was on a Dolmetsch Historical Dance Society recording. That may be true, but I don't consider those "available", since they have to be ordered by mail from the UK in?? sterling. Bank fees and postage make that impractical for a single item. (Now, if someone were traveling abroad, who could bring some home . . . I just remembered that a certain music Laurel just got a grant to study in the UK...hmm?)

--Urraca


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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
 
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Mary Railing wrote:

> The problem with Alta Regina and Petit Rose is that there is no 
> available recording of the music, so unless you have a live band you 
> can't dance them.

I thought Justin said "Petit Riens," of which there are many danceable 
recorded versions.

Rufina/DP
(who just worked out an alternate tune for Petit Rose based on an 
early-fifteenth-century chanson--but that's another story)

> ________________________________
> From: Justin du coeur <jducoeur at gmail.com>
> To: Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>
> Cc: SCA Dance <sca-dance at sca-dance.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be
>> your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some
>> ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
>> do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.
>
>
> Assuming no prior knowledge (and thus, skewing easy), I'd probably do:
>
> 15th: Amoroso, Petit Riens, Anello
> 16th: Villanella, Alta Regina.? Not sure of the third offhand -- maybe
> Ballo del Fiore?
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? ? ? --Shira Kammen

From annikki1973 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 12:23:20 2013
From: annikki1973 at gmail.com (Annikki Raiford)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:23:20 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Most beautiful 16c Italian dances
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I'm partial to So Ben Mi, C'ha Bon Tempo.  Not that anyone does it --
I knew the tune, knew it was a dance, and stumbled across it on
Youtube and went, GOSH, I wish there were someone nearby who actually
wanted to tackle that with me.  It could be that they're completely
off, too.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P1x_bJ3V4w

Adele

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Andrew Draskoy <pub at andrew.draskoy.net> wrote:
> The previous thread made me wonder which dances experienced dancers
> consider the best-crafted, most artistic dances.  Which dances should
> we aspire to learn?
>
> Miklos
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From upelluri at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 13:04:27 2013
From: upelluri at gmail.com (Aaron Macks)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:04:27 -0400
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Does anyone have a copy of this Dolmetsch recording and could verify
that it matches the current reconstruction(I think by Chris Elmes of
Gaita)?  I'd be willing to pay for a copy, but only if it's useful

thanks
GunDormr

On 3/13/13 12:19 PM, Mary Railing wrote:
> No, the other dance mentioned was Petit *Rose*, which someone said was on a Dolmetsch Historical Dance Society recording. That may be true, but I don't consider those "available", since they have to be ordered by mail from the UK in ? sterling. Bank fees and postage make that impractical for a single item. (Now, if someone were traveling abroad, who could bring some home . . . I just remembered that a certain music Laurel just got a grant to study in the UK...hmm?)
> 
> --Urraca
> 
> 
<snip>

From mlysett at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 13 14:28:06 2013
From: mlysett at yahoo.com (Margaret Roe)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:28:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
Message-ID: <1363199286.70941.YahooMailNeo@web162506.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Perronnelle,


There are many people on this list that have better knowledge of 15th century Italian than I, so I won't add my two cents to that list. ?But my top choices for teaching dancers new to late-Italian are:

1. Ballo del Fiore - if the dancers are comfortable with dancing sections alone, otherwise,
Gracca Amorosa - because its done everywhere, so it gives the dancers something they can travel with

2. La Castellana - one I've done forever, so I can break it down well

3. Contra Passo (from the Chigi ms.) - Contrapasso in Due is a lovely dance and fairly well known, but the Chigi manuscript version is far more simple, using regular spatial patterns and only four steps in all. ?It does require 8 dancers, or else your dancers need to be okay with switching partners at the end of the hey. ?You can find the reconstruction of this dance in last quarter's La Mezavolta at http://dance.atlantia.sca.org/mezavolta/index.php , or on my website at http://www.ageofthegalliard.com/chigi.html . ?It works to Caroso's music except that it requires only two repeats of the A section at the beginning - I usually use that one extra repeat in recorded music to count the dancers in.

Happy teaching!
Margaret


THL Margherita Battistina (Margaret Roe)


Dean of the School of European Dance, Pennsic 42
Chronicler and Web Minister, L'Academie Atlantienne de la Danse
Deputy Chatelaine for the Shire of Spiaggia Levantina

From sismith42 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 14 07:50:52 2013
From: sismith42 at yahoo.com (Stephanie Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
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I read Petit Riens as well.?
As for your comaplaints regarding availability, that just shows that you live on the wrong continent ;-)?


Estevana, who is fortunate to live in the same city as Gaita, who composed lovely music for Petit Rose a few years back?


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 From: Mary Railing <mrailing2 at yahoo.com>
To: "sca-dance at sca-dance.org" <sca-dance at sca-dance.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
 
No, the other dance mentioned was Petit *Rose*, which someone said was on a Dolmetsch Historical Dance Society recording. That may be true, but I don't consider those "available", since they have to be ordered by mail from the UK in?? sterling. Bank fees and postage make that impractical for a single item. (Now, if someone were traveling abroad, who could bring some home . . . I just remembered that a certain music Laurel just got a grant to study in the UK...hmm?)

--Urraca

From john.white at drexel.edu  Thu Mar 14 10:01:48 2013
From: john.white at drexel.edu (White,John)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:01:48 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Dance]   Italian dance workshop suggestions
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________________________________________
From:  Charlene Charette 

I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.

--Perronnelle
________________________________________________________________

15th:

Amoroso - easy, great flirting dance, and an easy way to introduce the "women go on the left for the even repeats"
with the return-to-your-partner bit of the last solo.

Rostiboli Gioioso - different kind of leave and return pattern, more steps, some play-acting available (in the "argument'
section)

Gelosia - a dance for more than one couple, more play-acting/flirting, a few more new steps.

16th:

Contrapasso en Due - a really easy introduction to the style, with easily remembered bits (and some really fun bits, too).

Bizzaria d'Amore - multi-couple dance, a few more steps, verse-chorus pattern makes memorization easier, and the chorus is really fun (the hopping and the Charleston footwork).

Gracca Amoroso - reasonable example of the two-person style, verse-chorus pattern, solos, introduces a bunch more steps.

         \\Dafydd

From john.white at drexel.edu  Thu Mar 14 10:02:14 2013
From: john.white at drexel.edu (White,John)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:02:14 +0000
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Italian dance workshop suggestions
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________________________________________
From:  Kirsten Garner 

Petit Rose can be found on the DHDS CD "To Celebrate a Prince".

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Of course, it may depend on how the dance has been reconstructed. :)

Julian
________________________________________________________________

The DHDS-created Petit Rose is one measure too short for the basic reconstruction of the dance.  I've found that this is not the only one of their compositions that doesn't fit the most basic reconstruction of the dance - somehow, their versions don't seem to work out the same as everyone else's version.  But you still have the bulk of the dance to practice to recorded music.

         \\Dafydd


From john.white at drexel.edu  Thu Mar 14 10:12:24 2013
From: john.white at drexel.edu (White,John)
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> From: Aaron Macks
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of this Dolmetsch recording and could verify that it
> matches the current reconstruction(I think by Chris Elmes of Gaita)?  I'd be
> willing to pay for a copy, but only if it's useful
> 
> thanks
> GunDormr
> 
To confirm what I thought I sent yesterday (and resent today), the DHDS recording
of their composition for Petit Rose is one measure short somehow.  I have copies of
most (all?) of their CDs that contain 15th century Italian music, and it is worth getting
them even though there are other mismatches between their compositions and my
reconstructions - without those CDs and a few others scattered around, I wouldn't
have reconstructed the 40 15th C Italian dances that I did.

                \\Dafydd

From david.a.learmonth at gmail.com  Mon Mar 25 04:43:06 2013
From: david.a.learmonth at gmail.com (David Learmonth)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 04:43:06 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  KWDMS X - Music Class Information
Message-ID: <CADxf9vK6xBZPQZJG4mXrr_SxmD+j4CYOndpQ73FqMDy+a-1Bng@mail.gmail.com>

Forwarded from Facebook post.  Please feel free to pass along to your local
Kingdom Lists / Musician Lists.

See below for details about some of the upcoming classes!

June 20, 2013 to June 23, 2013
www.kwdms.org / www.kwds.org
http://www.facebook.com/events/130325270463009/
http://www.facebook.com/groups/465482060147640/


Maria Daggett Eskinazi:
Hi!! Final boarding call for teaching music classes and Non-European dance
classes at KWDMS.

Details:

Known World Dance and Music Symposium

June 20th - 23rd
Universal Preservation Hall
25 Washington St
Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 USA

Saratoga Springs has a small airport. Closest major airport is in Albany,
NY.
New York City is located approximately 3 hours away.

Housing:
Saratoga Downtowner a small motel.
St. Francis takes reservations only by phone #518-584-2050
St. Charles takes reservations only by phone #518-584-2050
Hampton Inn, Marriot and holiday Inn are within 1-2 miles and a Best
Western is about 5 miles.
There's also a Roosevelt Inn and Suites with rooms starting around $99.00.
Whatever choice you make, let them know that you're with KWDMS for a good
rate.

http://www.kwds.org/ is the website and you can find us on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/465482060147640/

There are some classes that have been proposed and/or are looking for
teachers:

"History of Playford from the players point of view"

"Calculating the correct tempo from original manuscripts"

"Switching recorders the c-f dilema"

"Reading white notation beginner"

"Reading white notation advanced"

"playing and singing from white notation all levels"

"Master class with John Tysen and Renaissonics" (see note about his
appearance at KWDMS)

"Known World Choir - sing the top 10 and take them back to your group"

We have a great schedule planned with activities all day and into the
night.

Music classes do NOT have to be dance related... any and all manner of
class is welcome.

Please submit a brief class proposal to Erlan at KWDSMusic at gmail.com....
include the length of the class and a brief bio of yourself in the SCA.

Dance classes that are NOT European in nature (middle east, turkish,
Japanese, Chinese, Indian, etc) may also be submitted to Erlan at
KWDSMusic at gmail.com. In your proposal please indicate the time period and
supply some brief historical support for it's connection to Western Music
and Dance.... .

We are So lucky this year to have John Tysen from the New England
Conservatory along with the group Renaissonics with us at KWDS this year.
While we haven't firmed up what classes they will be doing, in the works is
a Master Class session and a wonderful session on adding keyboard to the
dance band. The harpsichord will be located in one of the rooms at the
Preservation Hall. Plans are in the words for a lot of recorder action at
KWDS this year.

http://renaissonics.weebly.com/about.html

please visit Renaissonics' website and hear some of their latest CD.

One more project in the works is having the Dance Music - SHEET MUSIC there
and ready to be printed. We're looking for a few instructors that will run
some playing sessions for dance bands. Each evening's ball will have it's
music made available for easy printing right at the event.

Do you have a local dance band? Perhaps a group of you get together to play
but aren't really "official"... well, this is a great opportunity to
register for a Master Class teaching session with John Tysen and
Renaissonics... please let me know if a group will be in attendance. We'll
make arrangements for you to have a class session a long with other groups.
This is a KWDS first and it's all for you!!

Making all types of music an integral part of this event is important to
us. Any suggestions or ideas please contact me at

KWDSMusic at gmail.com

Deadline for class proposals has been extended to March 28th.

Thank you

Erlan Nordenskald, East Kingdom.
Shire of Norden Fjord

From wrborn at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 21 21:46:53 2013
From: wrborn at hotmail.com (William Bornander)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:46:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-Dance] KWDS X - Dance teachers
Message-ID: <BAY167-W236658BBA2931F75D9713EDBD40@phx.gbl>

Greetings,
I would thank those of you who have responded to the calls to teach dance at the upcoming kwds in June. For the curious please see those teachers and classes that are already available http://kwds.org/classes.php?kwds=10 
For those who wish to add to this gathering selection of scholars there is still much room on the schedule...  As I have said and written before,  if you are unsure what class to offer, chose to offer your favorite, newest, least common dance or topic. If anyone has questions needing answering feel free to reply or contact me. If you are ready to submit a class now please go to kwds.org and select "submit a class" on the left.(Much thanks to Gwommy for the site setup making this possible.)
WilhelmEuropean dance class coordinator KWDS X 		 	   		  

From tmcd at panix.com  Mon Mar 25 17:33:08 2013
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:33:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  Beggar Boy for 8
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1303251616430.499@panix1.panix.com>

The local dance dom introduced Beggar Boy to us yesterday.  We liked
it.  There's some meat to it, but it's not the howling insanity of
Argeers or speedy complexity of Parson's Farewell.

It was graceful, especially since we used Country Capers, which was
slower than the other one we listened to (that French CD "John
Playford"?).

Playford says "Longways for six" on p. 5.  I noticed Chorus 2, "First
foure hands and goe round, while the other set and turn S."  I
commented that this chorus looks like, as with many dances, Playford
specified for 6 only when Pattricke and Sloane say 6 or 8 or more.

So I suggested we try it again but for 8.  There are at least two ways
to adapt it.  The dance leader suggested odds and evens -- new couple 4
does like couple 2.  A couple of us lobbied for ends v. middles -- new
couple 3 does like couple 2, and new couple 4 is like old couple 3.
We did the latter only.

That chorus we did like The Boone Companion (Sloane): the top 4
circled while the bottom 4 circled.  Several people liked it more.
There's still meat to it: I suspect that like with Lull Me Beyond
Thee, you learn a middle role or else you learn an end role but then
have problems switching.  But without Playford's circling while
set-and-turn, there's more symmetry.  Otherwise, it's a
straightforward adaptation.  Even with more couples, we had plenty of
time (although, as I mentioned, it was Country Capers' slower
version).

Danyell de Linccolne
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From tmcd at panix.com  Tue Mar 26 00:47:14 2013
From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:47:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SCA-Dance]  The Boone Companion
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1303252344080.18682@panix3.panix.com>

http://www.panix.com/~tmcd/dance/The_Boone_Companion.html
is my version of The Boone Companion from the Pattricke and Sloane
3858 manuscripts (but it's not in Playford).

Danielis Lindonium
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

From charlene281 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 17:41:18 2013
From: charlene281 at gmail.com (Charlene Charette)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:41:18 -0000
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Italian dance workshop suggestions
Message-ID: <CAHUFDpOuYVv1xS-wHxWisQtu-C5K6BQCXpsaON_H_G-HBntNPw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm planning an SCA Italian dance workshop. Out of curiosity, what would be
your top three 15th C. and top three 16th C. Italian dances? (I have some
ideas what I want to teach, but I'm interested in hearing what others would
do.) Assume no prior Italian dance knowledge.

--Perronnelle