<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(28,30,33);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(242,243,245)"> </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(28,30,33);font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(242,243,245)"><span class="gmail-_3l3x" style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit">As was conveyed to Hilda and Bradubh via private email: It was not my intent to make you or Brandubh look like horrible people for not seeking further input beyond the August meeting. The way I read your announcement seemed that an idea was being thrust upon without the populace having input. My intent was simply to give others opinions and a chance to submit ideas. The way I read your original post, I read it as you were making this policy and felt that proper channels should be gone through.</span></span></span> <div><br></div><div>That is all, I wasn't raising a ruckus just to do so, my allegiance is with the populace, as it was when I served the populace.</div><div><br></div><div>In service,</div><div>Liam <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:45 PM Krista Cogan <<a href="mailto:krista.cogan@gmail.com">krista.cogan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Master Liam, I am very sorry to have offended you and any others that may feel the same. Your wife, Her Excellency Constance, pointed out to me on Facebook that my post was not crystal clear that such things are optional. In re-reading my blog post from a different point of view, I could absolutely see her point, particularly as regards newer people who aren't as familiar with the ins and outs of SCA workings. I attempted to correct that both here on the email list and Facebook. You then suggested it should have been put before the populace more publicly that a discussion at a Business meeting (August). That had not been suggested previously to me that I can recall, and I hadn't thought of it, but it's a good idea. I moved to do just that, tonight.<div><br></div><div>Since we are doing this publicly, I would say a personal tenet of mine publicly: that when
someone tells you they are hurt.
we do not get to decide that they were not hurt. I apologize for hurting you, and others who share your thoughts. If there's anything further I can do to rectify, beyond taking your and Her Excellency Constance's suggestions, please do let me know.</div><div><br></div><div>I thank all who have posted some clarifications here on the deeper aspects of how we work. They are very much appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>And remember - Mottos are fun! Let's make some fun!</div><div><br></div><div>~Hilda</div><div><br></div>“Listening is where love begins: listening to ourselves and then to our neighbors.” -Fred Rogers </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:16 PM Shawn MacIntyre <<a href="mailto:medicmacintyre@gmail.com" target="_blank">medicmacintyre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Personally, I find it discourteous to not bring the idea to the full populace prior to making an announcement. The idea of not allowing the populace to have input prior to making an announcement goes against the proposed motto itself.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:09 PM Ruth Morrisson via Sca-bmdl <<a href="mailto:sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu" target="_blank">sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Greetings from Myfanwy!<div>I’m in complete agreement with Her Excellency Gwendolyn. </div><div>Remember — the SCA does not register full achievements of arms, mottoes, and the like. I’m perfectly good with our Baroness suggesting a motto and letting it be up to the populace to use it or not. For anyone to suggest otherwise is discourteous, and completely against everything that the SCA strives for as an ideal. </div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 15, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Gwenly Grace <<a href="mailto:gwenlygrace@gmail.com" target="_blank">gwenlygrace@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Greetings,<div><br></div><div>I categorically disagree that the announcement represented a policy decision. Furthermore, the announcement was clearly invitational in terminology: "we hope you will join us," etc. To suggest that it was imperious is, to put it mildly, unkind. </div><div><br></div><div>As a corollary, I don't recall anyone in the populace being consulted or asked to vote about "Ad gloriam AEthelmearc" (or the original and incorrect "In Glorias" version)--it was decided by a sitting royal and it was the task of that royalty to exhort the populace to follow. We did in fact force a modification, but we could, collectively, have decided "Nope, not doing that."</div><div><br></div><div>Similarly, if someone writes a song for the barony or the kingdom, it's not a requirement that the populace adopt it. To me a motto falls in the same category, and is well within the purview of the Baron and Baroness.</div><div><br></div><div>I have no objection to soliciting suggestions, or asking for a vote, but I believe the original motto is fitting, and was chosen with only good intention. But vote or no vote, let's be clear that nothing about this appears to be a violation of policy.</div><div><br></div><div>Ever in service,</div><div><br></div><div>Gwendolyn the Graceful, Brehyres, OL</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:29 PM Shawn MacIntyre <<a href="mailto:medicmacintyre@gmail.com" target="_blank">medicmacintyre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">However, you seem to have already made a decision on your own without discussing it at a meeting, your "announcement" was making a policy without discussion. It was not pointed out as "Optional" until someone questioned the announcement.<div><br></div><div>Baronial Policy Section I Subsection B,</div><div><br></div><div> B. Baronial policies may be created or changed by the Officers. Proposed additions or
changes to Baronial policies must appear on the agenda of the Officers' meeting at
which they are ratified. In this circumstance the proposed changes shall be and the
agenda shall be announced to the populace on the Baronial email list at least 48 hours
before the meeting. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:23 PM Krista Cogan <<a href="mailto:krista.cogan@gmail.com" target="_blank">krista.cogan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">What an excellent idea! See what we can accomplish together? I wish I would have thought of it myself! Thank you!<div><br></div><div>See, here is the beauty of game side stuff - it's flexy!<br><div><br></div><div>~Bns. Hilda</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:00 PM Shawn MacIntyre <<a href="mailto:medicmacintyre@gmail.com" target="_blank">medicmacintyre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">While the idea of a "Motto" for the Barony may be a great idea, I have an issue with this not being brought up for public discussion and chosen by the few, Who had input in the process? I have attended all the business meetings because they are held at my church. I think a better idea would be to get input from all the members of the barony, perhaps have a contest to choose a motto rather than singularly making a decision on behalf of the populace. While there is a "Game Side" and a" Business Side" to the SCA, a motto is something that the populace as a whole should decide. While you point out that the motto is about Love and Acceptance, it lacks the input of the many, which is the opposite of acceptance. The Hael and Thescorre's motto have meaning to the populace because they represent something special that the populace can get behind. Picking a motto is more like making a campaign saying, while your backers may get behind it, without a reason to stand by it, it is a saying, not a motto.<div><br></div><div>Maighstir Liam</div><div>7th Baron of the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands (Retired)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 4:35 PM Stórfréttir Updates <<a href="mailto:admin@debatablelands.org" target="_blank">admin@debatablelands.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There is new Baronial News at the Stórfréttir!<br><br>Salve Accolens! A Motto for the Debatable Lands<br>Posted by: Hilderun Hugelman<br><br>
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On this, the eve of our third Debatable Lands Equestrian Championship (details, and schedule), we'd like to introduce to you our new Baronial motto!
SALVE ACCOLENS!
What does it mean?
HELLO NEIGHBORS!
It is the week of World Kindness Day, embodied by the greatest modern champion of kindness and courtesy, especially toward oneself and their neighbors: Mr. Fred Rogers. The Debatable Lands is his home Barony, and we hope that all our people will strive toward these ideals: kindness, courtesy, generous and open hearts, mindfulness to feelings, and to be helping and loving and welcoming. All these, we feel, are encompassed by "Hello Neighbors" - "Salve Accolens".
We hope to enact these these ideals in word and deed, and hope you all will join us. We are ALL each others' neighbors.
SALVE ACCOLENS!
Please use this new Baronial motto with gusto and verity.
(Also, it's Latin, so you can say it the other way: ACCOLENS SALVE!)
See you at Baronial Equestrian Champs tomorrow!
In Levitate et Caritate, and Cheers,Baron Brandubh and Baroness Hilda
"Listening is where love begins: listening to ourselves and then to our neighbors." -Fred Rogers
<br><br>-----<br><br>To see or comment on this post on the Stórfréttir, click here: <a href="http://debatablelands.org/blog/?p=4056" target="_blank">http://debatablelands.org/blog/?p=4056</a>.<br><img src="http://debatablelands.org/blog/?elp=viewstatus&delvid=6178" width="1" height="1">
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