<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Greetings from Myfanwy!<div class="">I’m in complete agreement with Her Excellency Gwendolyn. </div><div class="">Remember — the SCA does not register full achievements of arms, mottoes, and the like. I’m perfectly good with our Baroness suggesting a motto and letting it be up to the populace to use it or not. For anyone to suggest otherwise is discourteous, and completely against everything that the SCA strives for as an ideal. </div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 15, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Gwenly Grace <<a href="mailto:gwenlygrace@gmail.com" class="">gwenlygrace@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Greetings,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I categorically disagree that the announcement represented a policy decision. Furthermore, the announcement was clearly invitational in terminology: "we hope you will join us," etc. To suggest that it was imperious is, to put it mildly, unkind. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As a corollary, I don't recall anyone in the populace being consulted or asked to vote about "Ad gloriam AEthelmearc" (or the original and incorrect "In Glorias" version)--it was decided by a sitting royal and it was the task of that royalty to exhort the populace to follow. We did in fact force a modification, but we could, collectively, have decided "Nope, not doing that."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Similarly, if someone writes a song for the barony or the kingdom, it's not a requirement that the populace adopt it. To me a motto falls in the same category, and is well within the purview of the Baron and Baroness.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have no objection to soliciting suggestions, or asking for a vote, but I believe the original motto is fitting, and was chosen with only good intention. But vote or no vote, let's be clear that nothing about this appears to be a violation of policy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ever in service,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Gwendolyn the Graceful, Brehyres, OL</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:29 PM Shawn MacIntyre <<a href="mailto:medicmacintyre@gmail.com" class="">medicmacintyre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">However, you seem to have already made a decision on your own without discussing it at a meeting, your "announcement" was making a policy without discussion. It was not pointed out as "Optional" until someone questioned the announcement.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Baronial Policy Section I Subsection B,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> B. Baronial policies may be created or changed by the Officers. Proposed additions or
changes to Baronial policies must appear on the agenda of the Officers' meeting at
which they are ratified. In this circumstance the proposed changes shall be and the
agenda shall be announced to the populace on the Baronial email list at least 48 hours
before the meeting. </div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:23 PM Krista Cogan <<a href="mailto:krista.cogan@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">krista.cogan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">What an excellent idea! See what we can accomplish together? I wish I would have thought of it myself! Thank you!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">See, here is the beauty of game side stuff - it's flexy!<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">~Bns. Hilda</div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:00 PM Shawn MacIntyre <<a href="mailto:medicmacintyre@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">medicmacintyre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">While the idea of a "Motto" for the Barony may be a great idea, I have an issue with this not being brought up for public discussion and chosen by the few, Who had input in the process? I have attended all the business meetings because they are held at my church. I think a better idea would be to get input from all the members of the barony, perhaps have a contest to choose a motto rather than singularly making a decision on behalf of the populace. While there is a "Game Side" and a" Business Side" to the SCA, a motto is something that the populace as a whole should decide. While you point out that the motto is about Love and Acceptance, it lacks the input of the many, which is the opposite of acceptance. The Hael and Thescorre's motto have meaning to the populace because they represent something special that the populace can get behind. Picking a motto is more like making a campaign saying, while your backers may get behind it, without a reason to stand by it, it is a saying, not a motto.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maighstir Liam</div><div class="">7th Baron of the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands (Retired)</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 4:35 PM Stórfréttir Updates <<a href="mailto:admin@debatablelands.org" target="_blank" class="">admin@debatablelands.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There is new Baronial News at the Stórfréttir!<br class=""><br class="">Salve Accolens! A Motto for the Debatable Lands<br class="">Posted by: Hilderun Hugelman<br class=""><br class="">
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On this, the eve of our third Debatable Lands Equestrian Championship (details, and schedule), we'd like to introduce to you our new Baronial motto!
SALVE ACCOLENS!
What does it mean?
HELLO NEIGHBORS!
It is the week of World Kindness Day, embodied by the greatest modern champion of kindness and courtesy, especially toward oneself and their neighbors: Mr. Fred Rogers. The Debatable Lands is his home Barony, and we hope that all our people will strive toward these ideals: kindness, courtesy, generous and open hearts, mindfulness to feelings, and to be helping and loving and welcoming. All these, we feel, are encompassed by "Hello Neighbors" - "Salve Accolens".
We hope to enact these these ideals in word and deed, and hope you all will join us. We are ALL each others' neighbors.
SALVE ACCOLENS!
Please use this new Baronial motto with gusto and verity.
(Also, it's Latin, so you can say it the other way: ACCOLENS SALVE!)
See you at Baronial Equestrian Champs tomorrow!
In Levitate et Caritate, and Cheers,Baron Brandubh and Baroness Hilda
"Listening is where love begins: listening to ourselves and then to our neighbors." -Fred Rogers
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