From adair42 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 23:19:29 2008
From: adair42 at gmail.com (Phillip Eck)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:19:29 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Helms
Message-ID: <f1c2d2b60806012019n5141fb3dje5ede5da83aed183@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I'm looking to buy a used helm.  I don't need anything fancy, just
something to protect my head.  If anyone has one that they would be willing
to sell please send me a message.

Thank you
Phillip Eck
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From kaoz at zoominternet.net  Tue Jun  3 07:18:53 2008
From: kaoz at zoominternet.net (Joyce and Jeff)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:18:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Invitation
Message-ID: <282C3BBFF8C048DEBAF50170F1071C0A@comp1>





June Steak Meeting



Please join The Canton of Steltonwald for their June Canton Meeting at Brady's 
Run Park at Shelter 7 on Wednesday June 18, 2008 from 5:00 pm.



As tradition dictates this is our Steak Picnic Meeting.  The Canton 
generously provides large grilled steaks for each attendee that RSVP's 
before June 16.  Please RSVP with total number of steaks needed for your 
party to Aoibheil/Joyce @ kaoz at zoominternet.net or 724-846-6415.



We will provide hot dogs & the fixings for children & adults who would not 
wish a giant, juicy, grilled steak. We will have plates and plastic ware.



Bring a covered dish to share and your own beverages. It does not need to be 
period just good.  This is our business meeting so mundane clothing is 
acceptable.



The shelter is in a wooded area with a nearby stream.  Dry clothes and 
towels will be needed if any child or adult should be tempted to "wade". 
Mosquito repellant is suggested. A comfortable chair is not a bad idea.



The site is discreetly damp and pets on leashes are permitted.



The Shelter is available all day but I will get there with the stuff at 5:00 
PM.  Steaks will be cooking for 6:00 PM and the Canton Meeting will begin at 
the usual time of 7:00 PM.



AOIBHEIL


From kvs at pobox.com  Tue Jun  3 10:07:33 2008
From: kvs at pobox.com (Kathryn Van Stone)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:07:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Heraldic Commenting Meeting - Wednesday, June 4
Message-ID: <547CA49C-00F4-4707-AABC-F242380CD54A@pobox.com>


My apologies for the late notice.

The June heraldic commenting and consulting meeting will be held  
tomorrow, June 4, starting at 7 pm, at my house in Mount Lebanon:  
1194 Firwood Drive.  Please feel free to come if you are interested  
in learning about heraldry or if you want help on a name or device.  
As I serve some munchies, I would appreciate notice if you are coming.

Thanks,

Elsbeth


From elsbeth at pobox.com  Tue Jun  3 09:55:17 2008
From: elsbeth at pobox.com (Kathryn Van Stone)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:55:17 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Heraldic Commenting Meeting - Wednesday, June 4
Message-ID: <40A45A95-7E6E-4DFA-B9D2-3FFFE58A7EA6@pobox.com>


My apologies for the late notice.

The June heraldic commenting and consulting meeting will be held  
tomorrow, June 4, starting at 7 pm, at my house in Mount Lebanon:  
1194 Firwood Drive.  Please feel free to come if you are interested  
in learning about heraldry or if you want help on a name or device.  
As I serve some munchies, I would appreciate notice if you are coming.

Thanks,

Elsbeth


From alaric at pobox.com  Tue Jun  3 12:40:29 2008
From: alaric at pobox.com (Robert Smith)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:40:29 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Heraldic Commenting Meeting - Wednesday, June 4
In-Reply-To: <40A45A95-7E6E-4DFA-B9D2-3FFFE58A7EA6@pobox.com>
References: <40A45A95-7E6E-4DFA-B9D2-3FFFE58A7EA6@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <op.ub6lxrt2mpjym5@teffa.home>

And for those who nead a break (or would like to show up) the Pens game
will be playing upstairs :)

Alaric

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:55:17 -0400, Kathryn Van Stone <elsbeth at pobox.com>  
wrote:

>
> My apologies for the late notice.
>
> The June heraldic commenting and consulting meeting will be held
> tomorrow, June 4, starting at 7 pm, at my house in Mount Lebanon:
> 1194 Firwood Drive.  Please feel free to come if you are interested
> in learning about heraldry or if you want help on a name or device.
> As I serve some munchies, I would appreciate notice if you are coming.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elsbeth
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sca-bmdl mailing list
> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>



-- 
 


From scalongbow at windstream.net  Tue Jun  3 14:50:21 2008
From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:50:21 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] SCRIBAL, SCRIBAL, SCRIBAL
Message-ID: <4845926D.3000704@windstream.net>



Gryffyn's Keep Scribal, Once again into the fray.............!

On Sunday June 8th, at Gwilym's..

Anywhere from noonish on.

All are welcome even those who have no or little interest in artsy stuff.
We always need those with tall tales and the like.
If you need directions call 724 327 3622, someone will answer.

Gwilym


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From scalongbow at windstream.net  Tue Jun  3 14:59:56 2008
From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:59:56 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] SCRIBAL, SCRIBAL, SCRIBAL
Message-ID: <484594AC.30800@windstream.net>



Gryffyn's Keep Scribal, Once again into the fray........

On Sunday June 8th, at Gwilym's..

Anywhere from noonish on.

All are welcome even those who have no or little interest in artsy stuff.
We always need those with tall tales and the like.
If you need directions call 724 327 3622, someone will answer.

Gwilym

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From muirgens at aol.com  Tue Jun  3 16:55:12 2008
From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:55:12 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT - wagon wanted-to-buy
Message-ID: <8CA93D340209C18-BD4-A2B@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com>

Hi, all:

I've been looking online for a wooden wagon for kid-hauling at Pennsic.? They seem to be a vanishing breed, so I thought I'd see if anyone around here has one they are interested in selling to us.? Ideally, I'd like the Radio-flyer (or equivalent) with a wood base and stake sides (not the steel wagon with wood stakes) and the big inflatable "all-terrain" tires.? 

If you happen to have something like this sitting in your basement/garage/storage that you are willing to part with, let me know!? I'm happy to pay a reasonable price for such a thing in good condition, but I'd like to see it before committing. My contact info is in the Dark Pages and the Aestel or send e-mail. 

Thanks, 

Morgen (and Christopher and Josie)
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From grm at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Jun  4 14:23:37 2008
From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:23:37 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] ROOM CONFIRMATION*** General Membership Meeting ***
	(fwd)
Message-ID: <A51D48715D5D73F026435DD6@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>



------------ Forwarded Message ------------
Date: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:00 PM -0400
From: esrooms <esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu>
To: grm at andrew.cmu.edu
Cc: esrooms <esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ROOM CONFIRMATION***  General Membership Meeting  ***

The following event has been confirmed.

Event Name:  ES MEETING
Event Type:  Meeting
Reference:  2008-AAMRBT

From:  07:30 PM Wed Jun 11 2008  to 10:00 PM Wed Jun 11 2008
Space:  HH  B131
Primary Organization:  SOCIETY OF CREATIVE ANACHRONISM (SCA)
Requestor:  Beck, Gretchen

CLASSROOM RESERVATION RESPONSIBILITIES

1.Bring this confirmation with you during your scheduled
event. This confirmation verifies that your event was
officially scheduled in this classroom.

2.Furniture must remain in the classroom. You are welcome
to re-arrange desks for your event. However, return the
desks to the normal classroom set-up when your event ends.

3.Dispose of all signs, papers, and waste from your event.

4.We suggest arriving 20 minutes before your event to
ensure the classroom is unlocked. If the room inadvertently
became locked, contact Security x82323 to open the room.

**5.If you have questions regarding classroom media or
ordering media equipment, contact Instructional Technology x82430
or 'itorders at andrew.cmu.edu'. **

6.Report classroom damage to 'esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu'.


To CANCEL this event, reply to 'esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu'.
Include this confirmation in your reply.


Thank you and enjoy your event!

Debra
r25webapp at andrew.cmu.edu wrote:
> THIS IS A REQUEST ONLY!  SPACE WILL NOT BE HELD AUTOMATICALLY!
> An authorized scheduler will contact you soon in relation to your request.
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> Event Name:     General Membership Meeting
>
> Event Date(s):  Jun 11,2008 (Wednesday)
>
> Event Time:     07:30pm  -  10:00pm
>
> Space(s):       Hamerschlag Hall B131 (Auditorium Style)
>
> Total Head Ct:  40
>
> Total Capacity: 96
>
> Notes:
>
> Name:           Gretchen Beck
>
> Contact Email:  grm at andrew.cmu.edu
>
> Phone Number:   x85205
>
> Fax Number:
>
> Dept/Org:       SOCIETY OF CREATIVE ANACHRONISM (SCA)
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> For any changes to or cancellation of this request, please send email to:
> esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu
>
>
>
>



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From grm at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Jun  4 14:23:48 2008
From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:23:48 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] ROOM CONFIRMATION*** General Membership Meeting ***
	(fwd)
Message-ID: <3630DEEB2548598ACFA9D650@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>



------------ Forwarded Message ------------
Date: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:04 PM -0400
From: esrooms <esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu>
To: grm at andrew.cmu.edu
Cc: esrooms <esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:ROOM CONFIRMATION***  General Membership Meeting  ***

The following event has been confirmed.

Event Name:  ES MEETING
Event Type:  Meeting
Reference:  2008-AAMRBU

From:  07:30 PM Wed Jul 09 2008  to 10:00 PM Wed Jul 09 2008
Space:  HH  B131
Primary Organization:  SOCIETY OF CREATIVE ANACHRONISM (SCA)
Requestor:  Beck, Gretchen

CLASSROOM RESERVATION RESPONSIBILITIES

1.Bring this confirmation with you during your scheduled
event. This confirmation verifies that your event was
officially scheduled in this classroom.

2.Furniture must remain in the classroom. You are welcome
to re-arrange desks for your event. However, return the
desks to the normal classroom set-up when your event ends.

3.Dispose of all signs, papers, and waste from your event.

4.We suggest arriving 20 minutes before your event to
ensure the classroom is unlocked. If the room inadvertently
became locked, contact Security x82323 to open the room.

**5.If you have questions regarding classroom media or
ordering media equipment, contact Instructional Technology x82430
or 'itorders at andrew.cmu.edu'. **

6.Report classroom damage to 'esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu'.


To CANCEL this event, reply to 'esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu'.
Include this confirmation in your reply.


Thank you and enjoy your event!

Debra
r25webapp at andrew.cmu.edu wrote:
> THIS IS A REQUEST ONLY!  SPACE WILL NOT BE HELD AUTOMATICALLY!
> An authorized scheduler will contact you soon in relation to your request.
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> Event Name:     General Membership Meeting
>
> Event Date(s):  Jul 9,2008 (Wednesday)
>
> Event Time:     07:30pm  -  10:00pm
>
> Space(s):       Hamerschlag Hall B131 (Auditorium Style)
>
> Total Head Ct:  40
>
> Total Capacity: 96
>
> Notes:
>
> Name:           Gretchen Beck
>
> Contact Email:  grm at andrew.cmu.edu
>
> Phone Number:   x85205
>
> Fax Number:
>
> Dept/Org:       SOCIETY OF CREATIVE ANACHRONISM (SCA)
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> For any changes to or cancellation of this request, please send email to:
> esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu
>
>
>
>



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From chatelaine2 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 22:00:02 2008
From: chatelaine2 at yahoo.com (Alfonsina Svoboda)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT:Looking for some help
Message-ID: <755000.95654.qm@web52811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi there everyone. Some of you may know that I am a member of the great commedia troupe, I Genesii. It is on the troupe's behalf that I am writing today. We are looking for someone to help us with makeup. The two women in the troupe need full makeup, our young male ingenue needs full facial makeup, and several of the men need just lip liner. If there is anyone that can help us at our final dress rehearsal right before Pennsic and the day of our performance at Pennsic(which incidentally is Thursday of War Week at 9pm. You  should all come, it will be very entertaining.), that would be great. If there is such a person, please contact me off list at chatelaine2 at yahoo.com.

Thanks for the bandwith.

Lady Catriona McKinnon
on behalf of I Genesii

"Old Age and treachery  triumph over youth and skill"--- John Kasper, and others

"Loyalty  above all else, except Honor." -- movie


      

From delacroi29 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 09:16:16 2008
From: delacroi29 at yahoo.com (m.allen)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] scribal this evening
In-Reply-To: <755000.95654.qm@web52811.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <601930.26419.qm@web36108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Regretably, I must cancel Scribal tonight, we will resume next Thursday evening.
My apologies for the short notice.

Adieu,
Antoinette

"Be the change you want to see in the world."
-Gandhi



      

From kcanne at comcast.net  Thu Jun  5 12:30:59 2008
From: kcanne at comcast.net (kcanne at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:30:59 +0000
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Ride to AEcademy
Message-ID: <060520081630.12612.484814C30009D4890000314422058863600A02020E0C05@comcast.net>

Greetings,

I am hoping to find a ride/carpool to AEcademy since I do not want to drive the whole way by myself.  

- Fredeburg

From donald_firesmith at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 16:57:45 2008
From: donald_firesmith at hotmail.com (Donald Firesmith)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:57:45 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Looking for gauntlets and body armor for sale
In-Reply-To: <282C3BBFF8C048DEBAF50170F1071C0A@comp1>
References: <282C3BBFF8C048DEBAF50170F1071C0A@comp1>
Message-ID: <BLU122-W50BE5C9C78B042E6C73AB2EFB70@phx.gbl>


My Lords and Ladies,
Greetings from Wulf Feuerschmied and his son, Isaac. He is looking to purchase used gauntlets and body armor. We will be at the fighter practice Sunday or will be happy to drive anywhere local to pick some up. Although he would prefer anything Japanese, he will be happy for anything that he can have to be legal at Pennsic.

Wulf


Donald Firesmith 
http://www.donald-firesmith.com



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From rojosephine at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  8 03:27:47 2008
From: rojosephine at yahoo.com (Roseanna Di Tommaso)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 00:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Thrown Weapons Practice 06/08
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1212854403.28129.sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <298752.95529.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I will be on site for practice later on this morning,
Sunday, June 8th.  We get to drill new targets to fit
the stand and maybe fit in a Royal Round.  Come on
down.

Porfinna


      

From a1onzio at bellatlantic.net  Sun Jun  8 21:03:36 2008
From: a1onzio at bellatlantic.net (Gordon Tujague)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:03:36 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Northen Oaken War Manuevers
In-Reply-To: <282C3BBFF8C048DEBAF50170F1071C0A@comp1>
Message-ID: <BHEOKGEBAOALAFLEFPMOAEDMCDAA.a1onzio@bellatlantic.net>

Greatness of the Barony Marche

Their Excellencies went to Northern Oaken War Manuevers and visited our
friends in the Cleftlands.  a day of fighting that only should two losses on
the melee field...

Vevot to their greatness, skills, and inspiring the rest of us to victory
after victory, after victory

Baron Sir Alonzio

hope to see more next year


From kaoz at zoominternet.net  Mon Jun  9 20:54:51 2008
From: kaoz at zoominternet.net (Joyce and Jeff)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:54:51 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] June Steak Meeting
Message-ID: <FC6D75FC9AAC4C1E8FB946C247037AB9@comp1>

I just want to remind everyone to RSVP if they have not done so already for 
the Steltonwald June Steak Meeting on Wednesday June 18 at Brady's Run Park.
Please RSVP before June 16.  If you need more details just call or email.

details:

June Steak Meeting



Please join The Canton of Steltonwald for their June Canton Meeting at 
Brady's
Run Park at Shelter 7 on Wednesday June 18, 2008 from 5:00 pm.



As tradition dictates this is our Steak Picnic Meeting.  The Canton
generously provides large grilled steaks for each attendee that RSVP's
before June 16.  Please RSVP with total number of steaks needed for your
party to Aoibheil/Joyce @ kaoz at zoominternet.net or 724-846-6415.



We will provide hot dogs & the fixings for children & adults who would not
wish a giant, juicy, grilled steak. We will have plates and plastic ware.



Bring a covered dish to share and your own beverages. It does not need to be
period just good.  This is our business meeting so mundane clothing is
acceptable.



The shelter is in a wooded area with a nearby stream.  Dry clothes and
towels will be needed if any child or adult should be tempted to "wade".
Mosquito repellant is suggested. A comfortable chair is not a bad idea.



The site is discreetly damp and pets on leashes are permitted.



The Shelter is available all day but I will get there with the stuff at 5:00
PM.  Steaks will be cooking for 6:00 PM and the Canton Meeting will begin at
the usual time of 7:00 PM.



AOIBHEIL

_______________________________________________ 


From donnghaile at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 08:33:10 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:33:10 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting Tomorrow
Message-ID: <29c224fe0806100533n67a57169u7b7977818e74c5ec@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

Barony meeting will be held tomorrow night Wednesday June 11 at 8:00
in Hammersdchlag Hall B131, which has been the site for the the past
several meetings.  As usual you may email me with agenda items to be
announced.

Cheers,
Brandubh

From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Wed Jun 11 09:41:13 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:41:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Sad news
Message-ID: <51998.209.195.147.252.1213191673.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
For those who have not yet heard, Michelina's sister Bernie died early
yesterday morning.  She had the same degenerative nerve disease as
Michelina's sister Patty.
I have not yet heard any details about funeral arrangements, but will post
them immediately when and if I do.
Please keep Michelina in your thoughts.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net


From pmb_pa at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 16:21:52 2008
From: pmb_pa at yahoo.com (Pam Bolkovac)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:21:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT:  Canvas Sale
Message-ID: <747280.19323.qm@web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,

If anyone is planning on buying canvas to make a
pavilion this summer, now is the time to call ITEX. 
They are having a sale on their Sunforger, Marine
Treated Canvas.  $2.69/yd (normally $3.99).  Minimum
order is 1 bolt, which is about 100 yds.   If anyone
is interested, contact me off-list and I'll give you
the info for the sales rep that deals with the SCA.  

Cassandra

From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Wed Jun 11 22:59:10 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:59:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] sad news
Message-ID: <53026.209.195.147.252.1213239550.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
Here is more info about Michelina's sister.
Viewings for Bernadette Farbacher are Thursday 2-4 pm and 7-9 pm, at the
Wm. F. Gross Funeral Home, 11735 Frankstown Road (at Rodi Road), Penn
Hills, PA.  Funeral prayers Friday 9:30 am, with a funeral mass at 10 am
at St. Gerard Majella, 121 Dawn Drive, Verona, PA.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net



From delacroi29 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 12 07:15:11 2008
From: delacroi29 at yahoo.com (m.allen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] scribal
In-Reply-To: <53026.209.195.147.252.1213239550.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>
Message-ID: <948551.13520.qm@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Regrettably, I must cancel Scribal this evening, out of town visiting relatives.....


Antoinette
"Be the change you want to see in the world."
-Gandhi




      

From niallsmagickiss at comcast.net  Thu Jun 12 11:49:39 2008
From: niallsmagickiss at comcast.net (niallsmagickiss at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:49:39 +0000
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] request for garb help
Message-ID: <061220081549.9234.4851459300019ECA0000241222165384969C9C07050C07090E039C04040E0702@comcast.net>

I was wondering if there's someone here who could give me some help with garb?  I would like to make a couple of front lacing, 15th century Flemish dresses.  I've done it before by modifying modern  costume patterns and had pretty good results,  unfortunately,  I've lost my mock ups and patterns.  I'm hoping that there's someone here who could help me come up with new patterns.   Thanks in advance.

Ilene

From rojosephine at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 12 14:00:53 2008
From: rojosephine at yahoo.com (Roseanna Di Tommaso)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:00:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Thrown Weapons Practice 06/15/08
In-Reply-To: <mailman.63.1213286403.7378.sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <230981.61185.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Greetings,

Our last TW practice was a success!  Thank you to our
Baron and Baroness for delivering a new target. 
Special thanks to Hilda Hugelmann for her assistance
in securing it to the stand.  

Another Royal Round was held and Hilda threw our
highest score yet:  30!  If Hilda can achieve an
average of at least 25, then she reaches the Verfur
level for thrown weapons.  Vivat!  Scores can be
viewed at:

http://twscores.aethelmearc.net/index.php

The last TW Practice for June will be this Sunday,
June 15th.  I will be out of town for the remainder of
the month.  See you on Sunday!

Porfinna


      

From kethry at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 12 16:06:47 2008
From: kethry at hotmail.com (April Mc.)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:06:47 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT-Combining a canvas order?
Message-ID: <BAY131-W34F9FCEAD383C5F913D001D6AD0@phx.gbl>


(I hope I'm posting this right, I've never done it before!)
 
Greetings!
I was interested in ordering some of the recently mentioned canvas, but I only need 40 yards of it.  If you're interested in combining orders, please email me ASAP!
kethry at hotmail.com
 
-Sarab bint Alima
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From lefkowitzga at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 12 19:17:46 2008
From: lefkowitzga at earthlink.net (Gail Lefkowitz)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:17:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] request for garb help
Message-ID: <11524371.1213312666357.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

<<I was wondering if there's someone here who could give me some help with garb?  I would like to make a couple of front lacing, 15th century Flemish dresses.  I've done it before by modifying modern  costume patterns and had pretty good results,  unfortunately,  I've lost my mock ups and patterns.  I'm hoping that there's someone here who could help me come up with new patterns.   Thanks in advance.>>

My name is Ts'vee'a, and I host a sewing circle on the Fourth Wednesday of each month at my home in Stanton Heights.  Wednesday, June 25 is the next scheduled date for a sewing circle.  I would be happy to help you adapt a new pattern, but if you could bring a modern pattern that fits you well, it would greatly expedite the drafting.  I have the Flemish costume book to use as a guide.

All are welcome to the sewing circle.  Since there is already a request for patterning help, this month I can't help with more patterning, but people can come and sew, get fitting assistance, design new outfits for Pennsic, and look through lots of research materials.

The location is 5167 Rosecrest Drive in Stanton Heights (close to North Negley and East Liberty Blvd, to name the nearest really big intersection.  I will post directions closer to the date.

Ts'vee'a bas Tseepora Levi, OP, OL

From delacroi29 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 08:45:34 2008
From: delacroi29 at yahoo.com (m.allen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:45:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Wars
In-Reply-To: <BAY131-W34F9FCEAD383C5F913D001D6AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <402622.31557.qm@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is anyone in the Barony headed out to Barony Wars this weekend?


Antoinette
"Be the change you want to see in the world."
-Gandhi




      

From donnghaile at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 08:50:20 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:50:20 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
In-Reply-To: <8CA9B5F5D72BA9D-1B54-3F7@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA9B5F5D72BA9D-1B54-3F7@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <29c224fe0806130550o380d1cdcoff60b9d712f0f56c@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: judithsca at aol.com <judithsca at aol.com>
Date: Jun 13, 2008 7:25 AM
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org, dance at atlantia.sca.org,
sca-dance at sca-dance.org, KnightsCrossing at yahoogroups.com,
DW-L at drachenwald.sca.org, meadowmarsh at yahoogroups.com


Salvete!
??? I am hereby announcing that the next Academia della Danza, to be
held in the 15th c. Pfaelzer Schloss, will take place from March 15th
to March 13th.? Mark your calendars now for another magical, fire-lit
weekend in another time.

Judith


The right noble lord Baron of the Ancient lands of Knights Crossing has
declared that his subjects, noble in their demeanour, should learn the
ancient art of dance, that they may better grace his court with knowledge of
this gentler art.  To this effect, he has hired sundry dance masters from
lands far and wide to come and provide instruction.  For one weekend, his
holding, the Pfaelzer Schloss, shall play host to a school of dance, known
in the tongue of more refined courts as an academia della danza.  In
addition to learning, there shall be terpsichorean revels and a ball as no
one has seen in many years.  The lord baron bids one and all to come and
partake!



Site information: Pfaelzer Schloss, Pfaelzergasse, Gross Umstadt, Germany.

Site opens at 1500 on Friday, March 13, and closes on Sunday, March 15 at
1500 (we must be cleaned up and out of the Hall by this point).  Site is wet
(which could significantly aid the rhythmically challenged in the pursuit of
happiness..); there are no showers on site.  Site is limited to 110,



Classes:  Classes will begin at 19:00.  The last class will finish at 1300 on
Sunday, March 15.  There will be two tracks of classes, to suit all tastes:
a beginner track, and an intermediate/advanced track.



Ball:  There will be a formal ball on Saturday evening following feast,
which will be a reconstruction of a ball chronicled in Ulm in 1503.  After
this, there will be an open revel; dancers may then "pay" the
musicians for their dances of choice with eggs
(to be purchased on site, all proceeds go directly to the musicians).



Food: There will be a hearty stew provided Friday evening, breakfast, lunch
and feast on Saturday, and breakfast on Sunday (with leftovers from feast
serving as lunch).



Sleeping arrangements:  There is crash space  (no bedding) in the two halls
on site in the castle (one of which is not heated), but you must have your
bedding packed up and stored away out of sight during the day as these are
the same two halls in which we will be dancing.  Otherwise, Gross Umstadt is
a charming little medieval town with numerous reasonably priced inns
(reasonable = 50-90 EUR for a double room per night), one of which sits
directly across the street from the castle, the Hotel Hax.



Cost: Total cost for the weekend will be 30 EUR per person over 12.
Children 7-12 10 EUR for the weekend.  Children under 7 are free.  There
will be a family cap of 60 EUR for the weekend.


Travel: For those who are travelling from afar, crash space can be
arranged in the
days before and after the event--- turn it in to a central European
vacation!  The nearest airport is Frankfurt International (not
frankfurt Hahn, which is 250 km from the site). We will attempt to
arrange
transport as much as possible.


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From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 12:28:24 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0806130550o380d1cdcoff60b9d712f0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <955671.2265.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Right!  Who wants to day trip?


--- On Fri, 6/13/08, Ben Cogan <donnghaile at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Ben Cogan <donnghaile at gmail.com>
> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
> To: "AEthelmearc" <Discussion at aethelmearc.org>, "BMDL" <Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>, "dance" <bmdl-dance at eclecsia.org>
> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 8:50 AM
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: judithsca at aol.com <judithsca at aol.com>
> Date: Jun 13, 2008 7:25 AM
> Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org, dance at atlantia.sca.org,
> sca-dance at sca-dance.org, KnightsCrossing at yahoogroups.com,
> DW-L at drachenwald.sca.org, meadowmarsh at yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Salvete!
> ??? I am hereby announcing that the next Academia della
> Danza, to be
> held in the 15th c. Pfaelzer Schloss, will take place from
> March 15th
> to March 13th.? Mark your calendars now for another
> magical, fire-lit
> weekend in another time.
> 
> Judith
> 
> 
> The right noble lord Baron of the Ancient lands of Knights
> Crossing has
> declared that his subjects, noble in their demeanour,
> should learn the
> ancient art of dance, that they may better grace his court
> with knowledge of
> this gentler art.  To this effect, he has hired sundry
> dance masters from
> lands far and wide to come and provide instruction.  For
> one weekend, his
> holding, the Pfaelzer Schloss, shall play host to a school
> of dance, known
> in the tongue of more refined courts as an academia della
> danza.  In
> addition to learning, there shall be terpsichorean revels
> and a ball as no
> one has seen in many years.  The lord baron bids one and
> all to come and
> partake!
> 
> 
> 
> Site information: Pfaelzer Schloss, Pfaelzergasse, Gross
> Umstadt, Germany.
> 
> Site opens at 1500 on Friday, March 13, and closes on
> Sunday, March 15 at
> 1500 (we must be cleaned up and out of the Hall by this
> point).  Site is wet
> (which could significantly aid the rhythmically challenged
> in the pursuit of
> happiness..); there are no showers on site.  Site is
> limited to 110,
> 
> 
> 
> Classes:  Classes will begin at 19:00.  The last class will
> finish at 1300 on
> Sunday, March 15.  There will be two tracks of classes, to
> suit all tastes:
> a beginner track, and an intermediate/advanced track.
> 
> 
> 
> Ball:  There will be a formal ball on Saturday evening
> following feast,
> which will be a reconstruction of a ball chronicled in Ulm
> in 1503.  After
> this, there will be an open revel; dancers may then
> "pay" the
> musicians for their dances of choice with eggs
> (to be purchased on site, all proceeds go directly to the
> musicians).
> 
> 
> 
> Food: There will be a hearty stew provided Friday evening,
> breakfast, lunch
> and feast on Saturday, and breakfast on Sunday (with
> leftovers from feast
> serving as lunch).
> 
> 
> 
> Sleeping arrangements:  There is crash space  (no bedding)
> in the two halls
> on site in the castle (one of which is not heated), but you
> must have your
> bedding packed up and stored away out of sight during the
> day as these are
> the same two halls in which we will be dancing.  Otherwise,
> Gross Umstadt is
> a charming little medieval town with numerous reasonably
> priced inns
> (reasonable = 50-90 EUR for a double room per night), one
> of which sits
> directly across the street from the castle, the Hotel Hax.
> 
> 
> 
> Cost: Total cost for the weekend will be 30 EUR per person
> over 12.
> Children 7-12 10 EUR for the weekend.  Children under 7 are
> free.  There
> will be a family cap of 60 EUR for the weekend.
> 
> 
> Travel: For those who are travelling from afar, crash space
> can be
> arranged in the
> days before and after the event--- turn it in to a central
> European
> vacation!  The nearest airport is Frankfurt International
> (not
> frankfurt Hahn, which is 250 km from the site). We will
> attempt to
> arrange
> transport as much as possible.
> 
> 
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> sca-dance at sca-dance.org is listed
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From donnghaile at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 12:41:06 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:41:06 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
In-Reply-To: <955671.2265.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <29c224fe0806130550o380d1cdcoff60b9d712f0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
	<955671.2265.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29c224fe0806130941o4c083b8aqaaf057369fbc53ce@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/13/08, Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Right!  Who wants to day trip?

I do I do!

Brandubh

From dzweig at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 13:34:54 2008
From: dzweig at gmail.com (Dani Zweig)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:34:54 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
In-Reply-To: <955671.2265.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <29c224fe0806130550o380d1cdcoff60b9d712f0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
	<955671.2265.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d06d05730806131034x347abd2en7b997e014aabf2d0@mail.gmail.com>

> Right!  Who wants to day trip?

That should work if we can find a functional Concorde that'll get us
there in four hours.
Well, okay, 1 hour to the airport,  4-hour flight.  3 hours to get
through security.  2 hours waiting on the runway.  2 hours to find
lost luggage.  Repeat on return trip.

From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Fri Jun 13 13:56:32 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:56:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
In-Reply-To: <d06d05730806131034x347abd2en7b997e014aabf2d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29c224fe0806130550o380d1cdcoff60b9d712f0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
	<955671.2265.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<d06d05730806131034x347abd2en7b997e014aabf2d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54841.209.195.147.252.1213379792.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
Ah, but that four hours is with a tail wind.  On the trip home it will be
a longer flight, due to a head wind.
And of course you're forgetting the 8-24 hour delay when you take off late
and miss your connecting flight.... :-)
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net

>> Right!  Who wants to day trip?
>
> That should work if we can find a functional Concorde that'll get us
> there in four hours.
> Well, okay, 1 hour to the airport,  4-hour flight.  3 hours to get
> through security.  2 hours waiting on the runway.  2 hours to find
> lost luggage.  Repeat on return trip.
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>



From aij+nospam at andrew.cmu.edu  Fri Jun 13 14:10:34 2008
From: aij+nospam at andrew.cmu.edu (Ivan Jager)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:10:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: [SCA-Dance] Dancing in a 15th c. castle, again!
In-Reply-To: <d06d05730806131034x347abd2en7b997e014aabf2d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29c224fe0806130550o380d1cdcoff60b9d712f0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
	<955671.2265.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<d06d05730806131034x347abd2en7b997e014aabf2d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64-044.0806131357570.4908@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu>

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Dani Zweig wrote:
>> Right!  Who wants to day trip?
>
> That should work if we can find a functional Concorde that'll get us
> there in four hours.

I didn't know a Concorde was a time machine. Sure, if you fly west,
you can land earlier than you left, but that stops working when you
cross the international date line. No matter how far west you fly, you
can't fly all the way back to March. You need a real time machine for
that. :)

If you'll note, the email did say it would be "from March 15th to
March 13th," so they obviously do expect some sort of time travel. (At
least, you should be traveling backwards through time for the duration
of the event.)

Ivan :)

PS: I would guess it was actually supposed to be from the 13th to the
15th, since the same email says that later on, and they probably meant
in 2009, but who knows.

From scalongbow at windstream.net  Mon Jun 16 21:07:33 2008
From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:07:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] An Event for July
Message-ID: <48570E55.8070804@windstream.net>


  Scribes, Fighters and Fencers


    An event in Gryffyn's Keep

<> Event date, July 12, 2008


      Union Presbyterian Church

<> Oh My. What a combo. Scribes come and work on your current projects 
or learn from some of the Kingdom's finest scribes. In attendance will 
be Mistress Antoinette de la Croix, Mistress Kris Gilibari, THL Gianna 
di Auriolo to name a few.  For the Fighters and Fencers we have some fun 
things planned. New fighters and fencers this is the last scheduled 
event where you can authorize for Pennsic. We will have the marshals 
available and the appropriate paperwork. <> 

A light lunch is planned by Lady Freya Ramsey (Heather Pollins) assisted 
by Lord Derek the Archer. For any dietary concerns contact Thomas 
Lestrange at 412-398-3808. <> This will be held on July 12, 2008 at the 
Union Presbyterian Church, 656 Rt 380, Murrysville, Pa. 15668 in the 
Shire of Gryffyn's Keep. The site will open at 9:00AM and close at 
4:30PM, entrance is at the back of the church and the church sanctuary 
is strictly off limits. This is a dry site.

Autocrat is Lady Aileen ingen Proinnsias(Diane Leary, 4756B Rt  66, 
Apollo, Pa. 15613, 724-910-3883, <ailleann1949 at yahoo.com> Fees for the 
day: Adults $8 includes lunch, Children 6-12 $4 and children 5 and under 
are free. The $3 NMS charge will be collected at the door from those 18 
and over without proof of membership. Pre-registrations may be sent to 
Master Gwilym o'r Afonydd Tair (Bill Weichler), 145 Shelby Lane, 
Apollo,Pa.15613). Make checks payable to
SCA, Inc.-Shire of Gryffyn's Keep.

Directions: From South and Pittsburgh area,

Take your best route to I-376East(Parkway)to the end and bear left on 
Rt22E towards Murrysville         .**      Go thru 3 red lights and bear 
right onto Rt 286E, Golden Mile Highway. Proceed thru 8 red lights and 
after the last one at the Dairy Queen go straight under the underpass on 
Rt 380 E. From here the church is approximately 2 miles on your 
right(Union Presbyterian church).

<>From the North I-79 to Pa Turnpike East to the Monroeville-Pittsburgh 
exit, after toll booth bear right onto Rt22E towards Murrysville. Follow 
directions from **.

 From the East take either Rt22 or Rt 30 W to Rt 66N thru Delmont, go 
approximately 7 miles to a flashing yellow light and turn left onto Rt 
366 W towards New Kensington. Go approximately 4 miles to interchange 
with 380, Turn left thru medial and bear right onto Rt380 E., church 
will be approximately 1.5 mi on your right.



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From donnghaile at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 08:53:14 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:53:14 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT - sales
Message-ID: <29c224fe0806180553l73288e2bi26167a3bf578f80@mail.gmail.com>

So, Hilda and I were out shopping last night and happened to notice
the signs on Fashion Bug in McIntyre Square on McNight Road, so we
went in.  Turns out they're closing and liquidating everything in the
store.  All the clothes are super cheap but I thought there might be
interest here for the clothing racks.  They're selling off clothing
racks to hang items on hangers with wheeled bases for only $15 fully
height adjustable, and they've got a good number of them.

Just thought that some one here might have use for them, Bored
Housewife, Timeless Textiles, or anyone who needs a little extra
hanging storage.

Brandubh

From elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 09:14:51 2008
From: elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com (Elss_of_Augsburg)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:14:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
Message-ID: <143056.13106.qm@web46216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>




Greetings!
?
Does any good gentile out there have a pattern for the BMDL device (banner?/ logo / whatchamacallit)? I am looking for needlepoint or embroidery so I can add to my garb, and I am also looking for something large so I can make a banner.
?
I would also be very glad of any advice or assistance from anyone with experience in these endeavors, so that I use durable materials and colors that don't fade, and don't make more work for myself than necessary.
?
My thanks to all in advance --
?
Elss of Augsburg


      
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From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 10:08:16 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <143056.13106.qm@web46216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <550556.13152.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Elss,

If the banner is for your own personal use, you want to use what is called the populace badge,  which is a white comet with its head on your left inside of a yellow block border on a black background.  In heraldic speech, the badge is "Sable, a comet fesswise argent, a bordure embattled Or."

If you are making the banner for the barony to use or for the baron or baroness, then you want to use the group's arms.  There is a picture in the upper left corner of this web page: http://debatablelands.org/.

Visiually, the difference between the two is the laurel wreath but the meaning is much more. The badge says "I belong to or am a member of the Barony-Marche".  The arms declare "I am the Barony-Marche" or "I am the baroness\baron of the Debatable Lands."  

Your banner can be any shape: round, square, rectangular, or heater (i.e. shield shaped.)  Just make the border fit the shape of the banner.

Raven




----------------------------------------------------------
And this above all to thine own self be true.
                                - Shakespeare, "Hamlet"


--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Elss_of_Augsburg <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Elss_of_Augsburg <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:14 AM
> Greetings!
> ?
> Does any good gentile out there have a pattern for the BMDL
> device (banner?/ logo / whatchamacallit)? I am looking for
> needlepoint or embroidery so I can add to my garb, and I am
> also looking for something large so I can make a banner.
> ?
> I would also be very glad of any advice or assistance from
> anyone with experience in these endeavors, so that I use
> durable materials and colors that don't fade, and
> don't make more work for myself than necessary.
> ?
> My thanks to all in advance --
> ?
> Elss of
> Augsburg_______________________________________________
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> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
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From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Wed Jun 18 11:04:35 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:04:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <550556.13152.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <550556.13152.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59747.209.195.147.252.1213801475.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
Hrefna's correct about the arms vs. the populace badge.  However, it isn't
clear whether Elss needs to know what stuff looks like, or have an actual
chart/design to work from.
I know that Cassandra charted the comet part awhile back to do order
badges in cross stitch.  I'm not sure where mine is at the moment, but I'm
pretty sure that Cassandra or someone will have a copy and can get you
one.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net

> Hi Elss,
>
> If the banner is for your own personal use, you want to use what is called
> the populace badge,  which is a white comet with its head on your left
> inside of a yellow block border on a black background.  In heraldic
> speech, the badge is "Sable, a comet fesswise argent, a bordure embattled
> Or."
>
> If you are making the banner for the barony to use or for the baron or
> baroness, then you want to use the group's arms.  There is a picture in
> the upper left corner of this web page: http://debatablelands.org/.
>
> Visiually, the difference between the two is the laurel wreath but the
> meaning is much more. The badge says "I belong to or am a member of the
> Barony-Marche".  The arms declare "I am the Barony-Marche" or "I am the
> baroness\baron of the Debatable Lands."
>
> Your banner can be any shape: round, square, rectangular, or heater (i.e.
> shield shaped.)  Just make the border fit the shape of the banner.
>
> Raven
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> And this above all to thine own self be true.
>                                 - Shakespeare, "Hamlet"
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Elss_of_Augsburg <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Elss_of_Augsburg <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
>> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:14 AM
>> Greetings!
>> ?
>> Does any good gentile out there have a pattern for the BMDL
>> device (banner?/ logo / whatchamacallit)? I am looking for
>> needlepoint or embroidery so I can add to my garb, and I am
>> also looking for something large so I can make a banner.
>> ?
>> I would also be very glad of any advice or assistance from
>> anyone with experience in these endeavors, so that I use
>> durable materials and colors that don't fade, and
>> don't make more work for myself than necessary.
>> ?
>> My thanks to all in advance --
>> ?
>> Elss of
>> Augsburg_______________________________________________
>> Sca-bmdl mailing list
>> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pmb_pa at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 12:16:40 2008
From: pmb_pa at yahoo.com (Pam Bolkovac)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:16:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <59747.209.195.147.252.1213801475.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>
Message-ID: <799815.88977.qm@web84006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I replied off list asking for more info, so I know
which pattern to give her.  But I have a question
regarding what can be put on garb for members of the
barony.  Should it include the wreath or not?  My gut
says it shouldn't.  This drives what the available
patterns are (I have at least 10 versions of this in
various sizes, shapes, etc.)

Cassandra
--- myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote:

> Greetings from Myfanwy!
> Hrefna's correct about the arms vs. the populace
> badge.  However, it isn't
> clear whether Elss needs to know what stuff looks
> like, or have an actual
> chart/design to work from.
> I know that Cassandra charted the comet part awhile
> back to do order
> badges in cross stitch.  I'm not sure where mine is
> at the moment, but I'm
> pretty sure that Cassandra or someone will have a
> copy and can get you
> one.
> Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
> Ruth Morrisson
> myfanwy at nauticom.net
> 
> > Hi Elss,
> >
> > If the banner is for your own personal use, you
> want to use what is called
> > the populace badge,  which is a white comet with
> its head on your left
> > inside of a yellow block border on a black
> background.  In heraldic
> > speech, the badge is "Sable, a comet fesswise
> argent, a bordure embattled
> > Or."
> >
> > If you are making the banner for the barony to use
> or for the baron or
> > baroness, then you want to use the group's arms. 
> There is a picture in
> > the upper left corner of this web page:
> http://debatablelands.org/.
> >
> > Visiually, the difference between the two is the
> laurel wreath but the
> > meaning is much more. The badge says "I belong to
> or am a member of the
> > Barony-Marche".  The arms declare "I am the
> Barony-Marche" or "I am the
> > baroness\baron of the Debatable Lands."
> >
> > Your banner can be any shape: round, square,
> rectangular, or heater (i.e.
> > shield shaped.)  Just make the border fit the
> shape of the banner.
> >
> > Raven
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
----------------------------------------------------------
> > And this above all to thine own self be true.
> >                                 - Shakespeare,
> "Hamlet"
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Elss_of_Augsburg
> <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Elss_of_Augsburg
> <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> >> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> >> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:14 AM
> >> Greetings!
> >>  
> >> Does any good gentile out there have a pattern
> for the BMDL
> >> device (banner / logo / whatchamacallit)? I am
> looking for
> >> needlepoint or embroidery so I can add to my
> garb, and I am
> >> also looking for something large so I can make a
> banner.
> >>  
> >> I would also be very glad of any advice or
> assistance from
> >> anyone with experience in these endeavors, so
> that I use
> >> durable materials and colors that don't fade, and
> >> don't make more work for myself than necessary.
> >>  
> >> My thanks to all in advance --
> >>  
> >> Elss of
> >>
>
Augsburg_______________________________________________
> >> Sca-bmdl mailing list
> >> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> >>
>
https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sca-bmdl mailing list
> > Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> >
>
https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>
https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
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From hildasca at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 18 12:37:02 2008
From: hildasca at hotmail.com (Krista Traini)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:37:02 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <799815.88977.qm@web84006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <59747.209.195.147.252.1213801475.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>
	<799815.88977.qm@web84006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W2B3B7AD8219D10FC25D9FD6AB0@phx.gbl>


Nope, no wreaths for the general populace on clothing. Only the Baron and Baroness should wear the full arms including the wreath. Also the Herald on a tabard during court or when he/she is acting as the "voice" of the Baron and Baroness. 
 
The populace badge is the the arms without the wreath, and we also have a populace badge that anyone can wear that is simply a black comet, preferably the Bayeux Tapestry Comet, but that's a matter of personal preference, really.> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:16:40 -0700> From: pmb_pa at yahoo.com> To: sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns> > I replied off list asking for more info, so I know> which pattern to give her. But I have a question> regarding what can be put on garb for members of the> barony. Should it include the wreath or not? My gut> says it shouldn't. This drives what the available> patterns are (I have at least 10 versions of this in> various sizes, shapes, etc.)> > Cassandra> --- myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote:> > > Greetings from Myfanwy!> > Hrefna's correct about the arms vs. the populace> > badge. However, it isn't> > clear whether Elss needs to know what stuff looks> > like, or have an actual> > chart/design to work from.> > I know that Cassandra charted the comet part awhile> > back to do order> > badges in cross stitch. I'm not sure where mine is> > at the moment, but I'm> > pretty sure that Cassandra or someone will have a> > copy and can get you> > one.> > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon> > Ruth Morrisson> > myfanwy at nauticom.net> > > > > Hi Elss,> > >> > > If the banner is for your own personal use, you> > want to use what is called> > > the populace badge, which is a white comet with> > its head on your left> > > inside of a yellow block border on a black> > background. In heraldic> > > speech, the badge is "Sable, a comet fesswise> > argent, a bordure embattled> > > Or."> > >> > > If you are making the banner for the barony to use> > or for the baron or> > > baroness, then you want to use the group's arms. > > There is a picture in> > > the upper left corner of this web page:> > http://debatablelands.org/.> > >> > > Visiually, the difference between the two is the> > laurel wreath but the> > > meaning is much more. The badge says "I belong to> > or am a member of the> > > Barony-Marche". The arms declare "I am the> > Barony-Marche" or "I am the> > > baroness\baron of the Debatable Lands."> > >> > > Your banner can be any shape: round, square,> > rectangular, or heater (i.e.> > > shield shaped.) Just make the border fit the> > shape of the banner.> > >> > > Raven> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------> > > And this above all to thine own self be true.> > > - Shakespeare,> > "Hamlet"> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Elss_of_Augsburg> > <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:> > >> > >> From: Elss_of_Augsburg> > <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>> > >> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns> > >> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>> > >> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:14 AM> > >> Greetings!> > >> > > >> Does any good gentile out there have a pattern> > for the BMDL> > >> device (banner / logo / whatchamacallit)? I am> > looking for> > >> needlepoint or embroidery so I can add to my> > garb, and I am> > >> also looking for something large so I can make a> > banner.> > >> > > >> I would also be very glad of any advice or> > assistance from> > >> anyone with experience in these endeavors, so> > that I use> > >> durable materials and colors that don't fade, and> > >> don't make more work for myself than necessary.> > >> > > >> My thanks to all in advance --> > >> > > >> Elss of> > >>> >> Augsburg_______________________________________________> > >> Sca-bmdl mailing list> > >> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> > >>> >> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > Sca-bmdl mailing list> > > Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> > >> >> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > Sca-bmdl mailing list> > Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> >> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl> > > > _______________________________________________> Sca-bmdl mailing list> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
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From muirgens at aol.com  Wed Jun 18 12:43:13 2008
From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:43:13 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <799815.88977.qm@web84006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CA9F7988709EC7-8E0-DF@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com>

My understanding is what Hrefna said.? 

The Laurel Wreath implies that you ARE the arms depicted (eg that you are the baron/baroness/King/Queen, etc.) or that here is where you can find the barony/kingdom, etc.?(as in a field banner or camp banner on the baronial encampment).? 
When you take a position such as Baron, Baroness, Prince, Princess, King, Queen, you stop using your personal arms and take on the arms of the location that you now represent.? Once you step down, you?revert to your personal arms.? Just as one would not paint the kingdom arms on their shield or put it on their garb unless they were on the throne, baronial arms (with Laurel wreath) are reserved for the sitting baron and baroness and the barony itself as an entity (not the individuals in it).?Just think "L'etat c'est moi" in this case ("I am the state").? Remember that in period, landed nobility were often referred to as?the name of the land they were in charge of (such as "Exeter" or "Northumberland" -- see Henry V).? 

Populace badges, such as the plain comet (no wreath) as Hrefna described or the white escarbuncle at the kingdom level, are free to be used by anyone who wants to identify themselves as part of that group.? So by wearing a badge or putting it on your clothes you are saying "I belong to this place".? It's like painting your face with the team colors for the game (except WAY cooler in my opinion).

So the right thing to do if a person is interested in identifying with the barony by putting a symbol on his or her clothing is to use the populace badge (no wreath), not the full baronial arms (yes wreath).? One might also make a banner with the populace badge (no wreath) to say "we belong to this place".? That could go in thier personal camp or they could carry it with them to march with the barony etc. and it would remain their personal property.

If you want to identify the barony (as one does with a banner), use the full arms (yes wreath).? Keep in mind that that banner, once given to the baron and baroness, then becomes property of the barony and will pass to the next baron and baroness as baronial regalia (ie stuff that the barony owns).? 

Does that help?

Morgen,
Princess of ?thelmearc







-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Bolkovac <pmb_pa at yahoo.com>
To: BMDL SCA <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Sent: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns



I replied off list asking for more info, so I know
hich pattern to give her.  But I have a question
egarding what can be put on garb for members of the
arony.  Should it include the wreath or not?  My gut
ays it shouldn't.  This drives what the available
atterns are (I have at least 10 versions of this in
arious sizes, shapes, etc.)
Cassandra
-- myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote:
> Greetings from Myfanwy!
 Hrefna's correct about the arms vs. the populace
 badge.  However, it isn't
 clear whether Elss needs to know what stuff looks
 like, or have an actual
 chart/design to work from.
 I know that Cassandra charted the comet part awhile
 back to do order
 badges in cross stitch.  I'm not sure where mine is
 at the moment, but I'm
 pretty sure that Cassandra or someone will have a
 copy and can get you
 one.
 Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
 Ruth Morrisson
 myfanwy at nauticom.net
 
 > Hi Elss,
 >
 > If the banner is for your own personal use, you
 want to use what is called
 > the populace badge,  which is a white comet with
 its head on your left
 > inside of a yellow block border on a black
 background.  In heraldic
 > speech, the badge is "Sable, a comet fesswise
 argent, a bordure embattled
 > Or."
 >
 > If you are making the banner for the barony to use
 or for the baron or
 > baroness, then you want to use the group's arms. 
 There is a picture in
 > the upper left corner of this web page:
 http://debatablelands.org/.
 >
 > Visiually, the difference between the two is the
 laurel wreath but the
 > meaning is much more. The badge says "I belong to
 or am a member of the
 > Barony-Marche".  The arms declare "I am the
 Barony-Marche" or "I am the
 > baroness\baron of the Debatable Lands."
 >
 > Your banner can be any shape: round, square,
 rectangular, or heater (i.e.
 > shield shaped.)  Just make the border fit the
 shape of the banner.
 >
 > Raven
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >

---------------------------------------------------------
 > And this above all to thine own self be true.
 >                                 - Shakespeare,
 "Hamlet"
 >
 >
 > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Elss_of_Augsburg
 <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:
 >
 >> From: Elss_of_Augsburg
 <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
 >> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
 >> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
 >> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:14 AM
 >> Greetings!
 >>  
 >> Does any good gentile out there have a pattern
 for the BMDL
 >> device (banner / logo / whatchamacallit)? I am
 looking for
 >> needlepoint or embroidery so I can add to my
 garb, and I am
 >> also looking for something large so I can make a
 banner.
 >>  
 >> I would also be very glad of any advice or
 assistance from
 >> anyone with experience in these endeavors, so
 that I use
 >> durable materials and colors that don't fade, and
 >> don't make more work for myself than necessary.
 >>  
 >> My thanks to all in advance --
 >>  
 >> Elss of
 >>

ugsburg_______________________________________________
 >> Sca-bmdl mailing list
 >> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
 >>

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 >

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From battalion73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 15:53:20 2008
From: battalion73 at yahoo.com (Troy Headland)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:53:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Melee muster June 28th!
Message-ID: <466046.29165.qm@web36407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Unto the Populace does your Baronial Champion send greetings.
?
On the weekend of Pax Interuptus his Excellency, Count Sir Henri will be hosting a day of fighting and festivities at his home in Moon Twp.? There will be melee practice in preparation for Pennsic as well as pick up fights.? There will be food and in the evening a bonfire.? If you choose to come feel free to bring a covered dish of some sort that you'd like to share with everyone.? His Excellencies home is a wet site so feel free to bring the beverage or beverages of your choice :).
?
At this time most of Northern Cross is slated to be in attendance as are our friends from the Middle Kingdom, Helios Furion.? Their Excellencies Byron and Ariella expressed great interest in attending as well.
?
If you won't be making the Journey to Pax I will expect to see you here.? The more the merrier and it will be a great oppurtunity to get some last minute training in before War is upon us.
?
?
As Always, In Service
Animo et Fide!
?
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From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Wed Jun 18 21:42:35 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:42:35 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Pennsic camp meeting
Message-ID: <003401c8d1ad$c01f8e20$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

As Pennsic approaches, we would like to have a planning meeting like last year for the Barony encampment.  Most found a Sunday at Washington Blvd site to be relatively convenient, so we will meet at 1pm Sunday June 29th, about one and a half weeks from now. Feel free to email us with issues you wish to discuss. If you cannot attend but are camping with the Barony, please let us know and we will make sure you get the summary of important points.  Please bring a chair if you'd like one.
In Service,
Ariella and Byron
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From elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 19 15:10:09 2008
From: elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com (Elss_of_Augsburg)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
Message-ID: <77937.79497.qm@web46207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>




My goodness! What a wealth of information I have received! 
?
Thank you to all who have replied, both about arms, badges, and the proper use thereof, and also about patterns for stitching said arms, badges,?etc.......?Everything I have?read was interesting and informative, and very useful.
?
What I?am looking for is a pattern for the comet, which as I understand it can be?sewn in black onto my garb to identify me as belonging to BMDL. My first item will probably be?a small bag to hang from my belt, probably yellow, with black comet.
?
I would also like a pattern for the complete populace badge -- the?white comet on yellow block field with a black background. I would like to make a larger bag and sew the complete badge onto that.
?
Other than a bag, what (small!) items could I make that could have a badge on it?
?
Any and all advice or ideas will be warmly received, I welcome historic information as well as practical, SCA-related guidance.
?
Again, many thanks to all who responded, and thanks in advance for any help to come...
?
Elss

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, muirgens at aol.com <muirgens at aol.com> wrote:

From: muirgens at aol.com <muirgens at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
To: pmb_pa at yahoo.com, sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 4:43 PM


My understanding is what Hrefna said.? 

The Laurel Wreath implies that you ARE the arms depicted (eg that you are the baron/baroness/King/Queen, etc.) or that here is where you can find the barony/kingdom, etc.?(as in a field banner or camp banner on the baronial encampment).? 
When you take a position such as Baron, Baroness, Prince, Princess, King, Queen, you stop using your personal arms and take on the arms of the location that you now represent.? Once you step down, you?revert to your personal arms.? Just as one would not paint the kingdom arms on their shield or put it on their garb unless they were on the throne, baronial arms (with Laurel wreath) are reserved for the sitting baron and baroness and the barony itself as an entity (not the individuals in it).?Just think "L'etat c'est moi" in this case ("I am the state").? Remember that in period, landed nobility were often referred to as?the name of the land they were in charge of (such as "Exeter" or "Northumberland" -- see Henry V).? 

Populace badges, such as the plain comet (no wreath) as Hrefna described or the white escarbuncle at the kingdom level, are free to be used by anyone who wants to identify themselves as part of that group.? So by wearing a badge or putting it on your clothes you are saying "I belong to this place"..? It's like painting your face with the team colors for the game (except WAY cooler in my opinion).

So the right thing to do if a person is interested in identifying with the barony by putting a symbol on his or her clothing is to use the populace badge (no wreath), not the full baronial arms (yes wreath).? One might also make a banner with the populace badge (no wreath) to say "we belong to this place".? That could go in thier personal camp or they could carry it with them to march with the barony etc. and it would remain their personal property.

If you want to identify the barony (as one does with a banner), use the full arms (yes wreath).? Keep in mind that that banner, once given to the baron and baroness, then becomes property of the barony and will pass to the next baron and baroness as baronial regalia (ie stuff that the barony owns)..? 

Does that help?

Morgen,
Princess of ?thelmearc




-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Bolkovac <pmb_pa at yahoo.com>
To: BMDL SCA <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Sent: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns


I replied off list asking for more info, so I know
which pattern to give her.  But I have a question
regarding what can be put on garb for members of the
barony.  Should it include the wreath or not?  My gut
says it shouldn't.  This drives what the available
patterns are (I have at least 10 versions of this in
various sizes, shapes, etc.)

Cassandra
--- myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote:

> Greetings from Myfanwy!
> Hrefna's correct about the arms vs. the populace
> badge.  However, it isn't
> clear whether Elss needs to know what stuff looks
> like, or have an actual
> chart/design to work from.
> I know that Cassandra charted the comet part awhile
> back to do order
> badges in cross stitch.  I'm not sure where mine is
> at the moment, but I'm
> pretty sure that Cassandra or someone will have a
> copy and can get you
> one.
> Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
> Ruth Morrisson
> myfanwy at nauticom.net
> 
> > Hi Elss,
> >
> > If the banner is for your own personal use, you
> want to use what is called
> > the populace badge,  which is a white comet with
> its head on your left
> > inside of a yellow block border on a black
> background.  In heraldic
> > speech, the badge is "Sable, a comet fesswise
> argent, a bordure embattled
> > Or."
> >
> > If you are making the banner for the barony to use
> or for the baron or
> > baroness, then you want to use the group's arms. 
> There is a picture in
> > the upper left corner of this web page:
> http://debatablelands.org/.
> >
> > Visiually, the difference between the two is the
> laurel wreath but the
> > meaning is much more. The badge says "I belong to
> or am a member of the
> > Barony-Marche".  The arms declare "I am the
> Barony-Marche" or "I am the
> > baroness\baron of the Debatable Lands."
> >
> > Your banner can be any shape: round, square,
> rectangular, or heater (i.e.
> > shield shaped.)  Just make the border fit the
> shape of the banner.
> >
> > Raven
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > And this above all to thine own self be true.
> >                                 - Shakespeare,
> "Hamlet"
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Elss_of_Augsburg
> <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Elss_of_Augsburg
> <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> >> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> >> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:14 AM
> >> Greetings!
> >>  
> >> Does any good gentile out there have a pattern
> for the BMDL
> >> device (banner / logo / whatchamacallit)? I am
> looking for
> >> needlepoint or embroidery so I can add to my
> garb, and I am
> >> also looking for something large so I can make a
> banner.
> >>  
> >> I would also be very glad of any advice or
> assistance from
> >> anyone with experience in these endeavors, so
> that I use
> >> durable materials and colors that don't fade, and
> >> don't make more work for myself than necessary.
> >>  
> >> My thanks to all in advance --
> >>  
> >> Elss of
> >>
>
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From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 19 15:21:34 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:21:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <77937.79497.qm@web46207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <253178.35971.qm@web35302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Elss,

Comets can be embroidered onto just about anything as trim or decoration. 

Are you aiming to make items from a particular time or place?  That could help us give you more useful advise.

Raven

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And this above all to thine own self be true.
                                - Shakespeare, "Hamlet"


--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Elss_of_Augsburg <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Elss_of_Augsburg <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 3:10 PM
> My goodness! What a wealth of information I have received! 
> ?
> Thank you to all who have replied, both about arms, badges,
> and the proper use thereof, and also about patterns for
> stitching said arms, badges,?etc.......?Everything I
> have?read was interesting and informative, and very
> useful.
> ?
> What I?am looking for is a pattern for the comet, which as
> I understand it can be?sewn in black onto my garb to
> identify me as belonging to BMDL. My first item will
> probably be?a small bag to hang from my belt, probably
> yellow, with black comet.
> ?
> I would also like a pattern for the complete populace badge
> -- the?white comet on yellow block field with a black
> background. I would like to make a larger bag and sew the
> complete badge onto that.
> ?
> Other than a bag, what (small!) items could I make that
> could have a badge on it?
> ?
> Any and all advice or ideas will be warmly received, I
> welcome historic information as well as practical,
> SCA-related guidance.
> ?
> Again, many thanks to all who responded, and thanks in
> advance for any help to come...
> ?
> Elss


      

From pmb_pa at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 19 15:24:12 2008
From: pmb_pa at yahoo.com (Pam Bolkovac)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <77937.79497.qm@web46207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <320560.80769.qm@web84001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have x-stitch patterns for the comet as well as the
populace badge, in various sizes.  Please e-mail
off-list and we can discuss what will work for you.

Also, regarding the bag, at one point (under Len and
Anne),  comets sewn on black bags were used to
symbolize having received that color comet (i,e my bag
has a Gold and Silver Comets on it because I received
both). A black comet on a gold background would not
conflict with this, but I would suggest staying away
from the reverse unless you have a Gold Comet.

Cassandra
--- Elss_of_Augsburg <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> My goodness! What a wealth of information I have
> received! 
>  
> Thank you to all who have replied, both about arms,
> badges, and the proper use thereof, and also about
> patterns for stitching said arms,
> badges, etc....... Everything I have read was
> interesting and informative, and very useful.
>  
> What I am looking for is a pattern for the comet,
> which as I understand it can be sewn in black onto
> my garb to identify me as belonging to BMDL. My
> first item will probably be a small bag to hang from
> my belt, probably yellow, with black comet.
>  
> I would also like a pattern for the complete
> populace badge -- the white comet on yellow block
> field with a black background. I would like to make
> a larger bag and sew the complete badge onto that.
>  
> Other than a bag, what (small!) items could I make
> that could have a badge on it?
>  
> Any and all advice or ideas will be warmly received,
> I welcome historic information as well as practical,
> SCA-related guidance.
>  
> Again, many thanks to all who responded, and thanks
> in advance for any help to come...
>  
> Elss
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, muirgens at aol.com
> <muirgens at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: muirgens at aol.com <muirgens at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> To: pmb_pa at yahoo.com, sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 4:43 PM
> 
> 
> My understanding is what Hrefna said.  
> 
> The Laurel Wreath implies that you ARE the arms
> depicted (eg that you are the
> baron/baroness/King/Queen, etc.) or that here is
> where you can find the barony/kingdom, etc. (as in a
> field banner or camp banner on the baronial
> encampment).  
> When you take a position such as Baron, Baroness,
> Prince, Princess, King, Queen, you stop using your
> personal arms and take on the arms of the location
> that you now represent.  Once you step down,
> you revert to your personal arms.  Just as one would
> not paint the kingdom arms on their shield or put it
> on their garb unless they were on the throne,
> baronial arms (with Laurel wreath) are reserved for
> the sitting baron and baroness and the barony itself
> as an entity (not the individuals in it). Just think
> "L'etat c'est moi" in this case ("I am the state"). 
> Remember that in period, landed nobility were often
> referred to as the name of the land they were in
> charge of (such as "Exeter" or "Northumberland" --
> see Henry V).  
> 
> Populace badges, such as the plain comet (no wreath)
> as Hrefna described or the white escarbuncle at the
> kingdom level, are free to be used by anyone who
> wants to identify themselves as part of that group. 
> So by wearing a badge or putting it on your clothes
> you are saying "I belong to this place"..  It's like
> painting your face with the team colors for the game
> (except WAY cooler in my opinion).
> 
> So the right thing to do if a person is interested
> in identifying with the barony by putting a symbol
> on his or her clothing is to use the populace badge
> (no wreath), not the full baronial arms (yes
> wreath).  One might also make a banner with the
> populace badge (no wreath) to say "we belong to this
> place".  That could go in thier personal camp or
> they could carry it with them to march with the
> barony etc. and it would remain their personal
> property.
> 
> If you want to identify the barony (as one does with
> a banner), use the full arms (yes wreath).  Keep in
> mind that that banner, once given to the baron and
> baroness, then becomes property of the barony and
> will pass to the next baron and baroness as baronial
> regalia (ie stuff that the barony owns)..  
> 
> Does that help?
> 
> Morgen,
> Princess of ?thelmearc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Bolkovac <pmb_pa at yahoo.com>
> To: BMDL SCA <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Sent: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> 
> 
> I replied off list asking for more info, so I know
> which pattern to give her.  But I have a question
> regarding what can be put on garb for members of the
> barony.  Should it include the wreath or not?  My
> gut
> says it shouldn't.  This drives what the available
> patterns are (I have at least 10 versions of this in
> various sizes, shapes, etc.)
> 
> Cassandra
> --- myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote:
> 
> > Greetings from Myfanwy!
> > Hrefna's correct about the arms vs. the populace
> > badge.  However, it isn't
> > clear whether Elss needs to know what stuff looks
> > like, or have an actual
> > chart/design to work from.
> > I know that Cassandra charted the comet part
> awhile
> > back to do order
> > badges in cross stitch.  I'm not sure where mine
> is
> > at the moment, but I'm
> > pretty sure that Cassandra or someone will have a
> > copy and can get you
> > one.
> > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
> > Ruth Morrisson
> > myfanwy at nauticom.net
> > 
> > > Hi Elss,
> > >
> > > If the banner is for your own personal use, you
> > want to use what is called
> > > the populace badge,  which is a white comet with
> > its head on your left
> > > inside of a yellow block border on a black
> > background.  In heraldic
> > > speech, the badge is "Sable, a comet fesswise
> > argent, a bordure embattled
> > > Or."
> > >
> > > If you are making the banner for the barony to
> use
> > or for the baron or
> > > baroness, then you want to use the group's arms.
> 
> > There is a picture in
> > > the upper left corner of this web page:
> > http://debatablelands.org/.
> > >
> > > Visiually, the difference between the two is the
> > laurel wreath but the
> > > meaning is much more. The badge says "I belong
> to
> > or am a member of the
> > > Barony-Marche".  The arms declare "I am the
> > Barony-Marche" or "I am the
> > > baroness\baron of the Debatable Lands."
> > >
> > > Your banner can be any shape: round, square,
> > rectangular, or heater (i.e.
> > > shield shaped.)  Just make the border fit the
> > shape of the banner.
> > >
> > > Raven
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > And this above all to thine own self be true.
> > >                                 - Shakespeare,
> > "Hamlet"
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Elss_of_Augsburg
> > <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: Elss_of_Augsburg
> > <elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com>
> > >> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
> > >> To: "BMDL SCA" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> > >> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:14 AM
> > >> Greetings!
> > >>  
> > >> Does any good gentile out there have a pattern
> > for the BMDL
> 
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From kaoz at zoominternet.net  Thu Jun 19 17:18:59 2008
From: kaoz at zoominternet.net (Joyce and Jeff)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:18:59 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Picnic Thanks
Message-ID: <BE48662FBD9A4FE1A26828A9B76731A5@comp1>

The Picnic was such a success thanks to all the good food and all the 
wonderful help and the weather gods.
Allesandra & Robert did a magnificent job (as always) with the steaks. 
Thanks to the early arrivals for set up help, lugging tables and rolling 
paper, and the quick work of many hands cleaning up.
Gotta love Steltonwald.
Aoibheil 


From warrewyk at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 16:40:37 2008
From: warrewyk at gmail.com (Clemente de Warrewyk)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:40:37 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Website Privacy Policy
Message-ID: <fa04793f0806201340q2cf7232bied01fb99fd3f2f66@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings from the Webminister!

I have recently rediscovered the joy of perusing the SCA and Kingdom
electronic privacy policies.  In order to keep our Baronial website in line
with SCA requirements, no personal information can be published without
written consent from the individual.  "Personal information" includes:
* Mundane name, mailing address, and telephone number(s)
* Personal email addresses (not counting "role" email addresses such as
webminister at debatablelands.org)

I will soon be contacting various guild contacts listed on the Baronial web
site to reaffirm their permission to have personal email addresses listed.

However the real point of this email is for potential event autocrats.  As
you know, kingdom policy requires that the private information of (usually)
multiple individuals be published in the event announcement in the Aestel
(which is a print publication, not electronic).  Autocrats typically send
the same event announcement to me for publication on the BMDL web site.
However, the privacy policy dictates that none of this personal information
can be published without written permission from all of the individuals in
question.  Given that, I would like to ask that, henceforth, autocrats
seeking to have their event announcements published on the website do one of
the following:

** Remove any personal information from the announcement (I can also do this
for you) --OR--
** Contact all individuals whose personal information is included in the
announcement, *in advance*, and have them send permission to publish their
information *in writing* to the webminister.  Email is acceptable.  Verbal
permission, unfortunately, is not acceptable.

The personal information of any individuals who do not grant their *written*
permission will have said information removed from the event announcement
before publication.

I will also publish this request on the Baronial web site in the Event
Policies section.

In Service,
Clemente de Warrewyk
Baronial File Clerk ... er ... Webminister
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From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Fri Jun 20 17:59:33 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:59:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] sad news
Message-ID: <63684.209.195.147.252.1213999173.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
For those who know Lady Muirghen (Muirghen the archer), I have been asked
to post the sad news that her father died this morning.
There will be a memorial reception on Sunday (June 22), at the Fox Chapel
Presbyterian Church, in  Fox Chapel, PA (just NE of Pittsburgh) from 2-4
pm.
Bringing food and non-alchoholic drinks is welcome.
Funeral information will be in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on Sunday or
Monday.
For more information, you may contact Lady Muirghen directly at 412-537-2454.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net


From roana01 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 21 09:59:23 2008
From: roana01 at yahoo.com (Roana Devreux)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:59:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] ISO Jorund (Tim Cogan)
Message-ID: <138288.50900.qm@web51405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Please contact me off list.  Thanks!
~~Roana/Sara
-----


      

From scalongbow at windstream.net  Sat Jun 21 17:04:12 2008
From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:04:12 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] [Summer in the City Demo]
Message-ID: <485D6CCC.10000@windstream.net>


forwarded by request
-------------------------------

 
Saturday July 19th, the Shire of Gryffyn's Keep will be holding a demo in
Greensburg during the City's "Summer in the City" festival.
<>It will take place at the DV8 coffeehouse on 208 S.Pennsylvania Ave 
(one way
street behind courthouse) from 11am til 3pm.
Please come out and support the SCA with your heraldry, crafts, and 
clothing
while fighters are more than welcome to display their skill and chivalry.
Always a big turn out, and we hope to see you, there.
 
 
Lord Bran O'Labhradha-Knight Marshal
 
 
 
 
 
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From warrewyk at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 22:38:03 2008
From: warrewyk at gmail.com (Clemente de Warrewyk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:38:03 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] June Althing
Message-ID: <fa04793f0806211938j792e1a54i198965f013c713b5@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,
The June edition of the Barony newsletter, the Althing, is now available for
download at:
http://althing.debatablelands.org

This month's Althing contains:

Letters from the Officers
Event announcements
More on English Land Tenure from Dani of the Seven Wells
The Baronial Order of Precedence

In Service,
Clemente de Warrewyk
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From hildasca at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 22 19:10:43 2008
From: hildasca at hotmail.com (Krista Traini)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:10:43 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] June Althing
In-Reply-To: <fa04793f0806211938j792e1a54i198965f013c713b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fa04793f0806211938j792e1a54i198965f013c713b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W41151F39EC860EC4809F42D6A70@phx.gbl>


Oh, the Order of Precedence issue! What a great time to start writing award recommendation letters! 

Thanks Clemente and Anna (and Brandubh).

Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:38:03 -0400
From: warrewyk at gmail.com
To: Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] June Althing

Greetings,

The June edition of the Barony newsletter, the Althing, is now available for download at:
http://althing.debatablelands.org



This month's Althing contains:



Letters from the Officers

Event announcements

More on English Land Tenure from Dani of the Seven Wells

The Baronial Order of Precedence



In Service,
Clemente de Warrewyk
BMDL Webminister





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From asciiaardvark at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 01:01:53 2008
From: asciiaardvark at gmail.com (Logan White Stack)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:01:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <8CA9F7988709EC7-8E0-DF@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CA9F7988709EC7-8E0-DF@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <561175B1-1B5D-4739-9FC0-83134207D450@gmail.com>

> Populace badges, such as the plain comet (no wreath) as Hrefna  
> described
Well I'm glad someone had this question before my procrastination ran  
out and I unknowingly copied something off the web site!
Is there such a populace badge for AEthelmearc as well?

Stanislaw

From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Mon Jun 23 07:33:35 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:33:35 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] June Althing
References: <fa04793f0806211938j792e1a54i198965f013c713b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU146-W41151F39EC860EC4809F42D6A70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002901c8d524$f91ee6b0$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

We couldn't agree more!  And, when you're looking for people you know for Kingdom and Baronial awards, please remember that you can receive a Baronial comet more than once.  So if a deserving gentle was awarded a Comet Or 6 years ago but has done much for the Barony since, please recommend them again by emailing or writing to us (caram at pitt.edu).
In Service,
Ariella and Byron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Krista Traini 
  To: Debatable Lands 
  Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] June Althing


  Oh, the Order of Precedence issue! What a great time to start writing award recommendation letters! 

  Thanks Clemente and Anna (and Brandubh).



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    From: warrewyk at gmail.com
    To: Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
    Subject: [SCA-BMDL] June Althing

    Greetings,

    The June edition of the Barony newsletter, the Althing, is now available for download at:
    http://althing.debatablelands.org

    This month's Althing contains:

    Letters from the Officers
    Event announcements
    More on English Land Tenure from Dani of the Seven Wells
    The Baronial Order of Precedence

    In Service,
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    BMDL Webminister






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From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 23 08:13:56 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:13:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] BMDL Patterns
In-Reply-To: <561175B1-1B5D-4739-9FC0-83134207D450@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <778782.48278.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Well I'm glad someone had this question before my
> procrastination ran  
> out and I unknowingly copied something off the web site!
> Is there such a populace badge for AEthelmearc as well?

Yes.  On a red background and within a plain yellow border, a white escarbuncle. Look here http://www.goldenstag.net/MiscSCA/KingdomArmory/AethelmearcUseBadge.gif

Raven


      

From kardasl+ at pitt.edu  Mon Jun 23 19:33:15 2008
From: kardasl+ at pitt.edu (kardasl+ at pitt.edu)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:33:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Pax
Message-ID: <3153.71.61.100.69.1214263995.squirrel@webmail.pitt.edu>

Greetings All

Their Royal Highness are traveling to Pax this weekend, and I am looking
for some people to help retain.  If you are planning on going to the
event, and have some extra time, especially during court, please let me.

In Service,
Alessandra d'Avignon
kardasl at pitt.edu


From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Mon Jun 23 20:32:08 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:32:08 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Gate Guarding Wednesday Aug 6th
Message-ID: <003101c8d591$bc7186b0$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Greetings to all gentles in this illustrious Barony!  We are calling for gate guards for Aethelmearc Royal during Pennsic.  Our Barony serves the Kingdom in many worthy ways and this is an important one.  We chose Wednesday of War week, August 6th, as our day.  You may sign up for a one hour shift or, if you can give more time, two hours.  We need two guards per shift, but they need not both be adults. Bringing some kind of weapon is appropriate, but we can provide you with a weapon for the shift if you prefer.  Please email us with times you would like (shift changes on the hour from 9am-9pm) and if you have a partner to guard with you.
Thank you!
In Service,
Ariella and Byron
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From rufinasca at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 21:45:00 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:45:00 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Gate Guarding Wednesday Aug 6th
In-Reply-To: <003101c8d591$bc7186b0$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>
References: <003101c8d591$bc7186b0$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>
Message-ID: <88ccaae90806231845n535e2487t46f7371d581113f8@mail.gmail.com>

do any of these times fall during baronial court as they did last year?

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Cara & Char <charb at mail.connecttime.net>
wrote:

>  Greetings to all gentles in this illustrious Barony!  We are calling for
> gate guards for Aethelmearc Royal during Pennsic.  Our Barony serves the
> Kingdom in many worthy ways and this is an important one.  We chose
> Wednesday of War week, August 6th, as our day.  You may sign up for a one
> hour shift or, if you can give more time, two hours.  We need two guards per
> shift, but they need not both be adults. Bringing some kind of weapon is
> appropriate, but we can provide you with a weapon for the shift if you
> prefer.  Please email us with times you would like (shift changes on the
> hour from 9am-9pm) and if you have a partner to guard with you.
> Thank you!
> In Service,
> Ariella and Byron
>
> _______________________________________________
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From a1onzio at bellatlantic.net  Mon Jun 23 22:58:23 2008
From: a1onzio at bellatlantic.net (Gordon Tujague)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:58:23 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Norman axes
Message-ID: <BHEOKGEBAOALAFLEFPMOCEHNCDAA.a1onzio@bellatlantic.net>

Greetings,

	Those Norman types in the group, could someone tell me the standard height
of a norman war axe?

	Alonzio


From dougmcfarland3 at aol.com  Wed Jun 25 16:57:10 2008
From: dougmcfarland3 at aol.com (dougmcfarland3 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:57:10 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Norman axes
In-Reply-To: <BHEOKGEBAOALAFLEFPMOCEHNCDAA.a1onzio@bellatlantic.net>
References: <BHEOKGEBAOALAFLEFPMOCEHNCDAA.a1onzio@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <8CAA51D2BECCB27-B20-11D4@webmail-stg-d10.sysops.aol.com>

The height could vary due to the typical construction method which went something like this:

1. Find the nearest Saxon.
2. Rip his head off.
3. Jam it on a stick
4. Beat the next Saxon with it.

Seriously, I can only speak off the top of my head to my period when I followed my Lord and Duke William to Hastings.? There are lots of other Norman periods?as the second sons became Italo-Norman and the like.? 

By the time we started shaving and stopped thinking like "Vikings" we had gotten away from the war axe.? We traded boats, axes, and round shields for horses, swords, and kites to protect the horse's flank from damn dirty archers.? In fact, by 1066 we had become such stinky sailors that William used the likely death on the return trip across the channel to motivate the troops to win or die.

When you talk about two handed war axes and Hastings you're mostly talking about Saxons.? We had horse and offense, they had foot and defense.? 

Before that, anything that would look at home on a Viking is appropriate for an early period Norman.? I think it's fuzzy exactly when we started favoring swords and awesome haircuts.

Late period is something I'm not familiar enough to generalize about.? After we cut up England like the pie it was the rest of the Norman mafia, particularly the next generation,?spread out and were influenced by the regions they ended up in.

Hope that helps,
Bors


-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Tujague <a1onzio at bellatlantic.net>
To: Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
Sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:58 pm
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Norman axes



Greetings,

    Those Norman types in the group, could someone tell me the standard height
of a norman war axe?

    Alonzio

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From gordon.tujague at bnymellon.com  Wed Jun 25 17:27:39 2008
From: gordon.tujague at bnymellon.com (Tujague Gordon)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:27:39 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Norman axes
Message-ID: <F2130488C15A064ABAD853F6DFB35010129E923A@E2K3MAIL1508.mellonbank.com>

You say I should go with a height of 5ft.  Thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: sca-bmdl-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu <sca-bmdl-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
To: a1onzio at bellatlantic.net <a1onzio at bellatlantic.net>; Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu <Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Sent: Wed Jun 25 16:57:10 2008
Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] Norman axes

The height could vary due to the typical construction method which went something like this:

1. Find the nearest Saxon.
2. Rip his head off.
3. Jam it on a stick
4. Beat the next Saxon with it.

Seriously, I can only speak off the top of my head to my period when I followed my Lord and Duke William to Hastings.  There are lots of other Norman periods as the second sons became Italo-Norman and the like.  

By the time we started shaving and stopped thinking like "Vikings" we had gotten away from the war axe.  We traded boats, axes, and round shields for horses, swords, and kites to protect the horse's flank from damn dirty archers.  In fact, by 1066 we had become such stinky sailors that William used the likely death on the return trip across the channel to motivate the troops to win or die.

When you talk about two handed war axes and Hastings you're mostly talking about Saxons.  We had horse and offense, they had foot and defense.  

Before that, anything that would look at home on a Viking is appropriate for an early period Norman.  I think it's fuzzy exactly when we started favoring swords and awesome haircuts.

Late period is something I'm not familiar enough to generalize about.  After we cut up England like the pie it was the rest of the Norman mafia, particularly the next generation, spread out and were influenced by the regions they ended up in.

Hope that helps,
Bors


-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Tujague <a1onzio at bellatlantic.net>
To: Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
Sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:58 pm
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Norman axes


Greetings,

    Those Norman types in the group, could someone tell me the standard height
of a norman war axe?

    Alonzio

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From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Thu Jun 26 22:20:00 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:20:00 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Sunderoak tourney
References: <fa04793f0806211938j792e1a54i198965f013c713b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c8d7fc$4f4065d0$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Greetings, fair gnetles.

Here are our pictures from the Sunderoak gold chain tournament held last weekend.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79654157 at N00/sets/72157605835085678/

Vivant to the Shire of Sunderoak for creating such a beautiful event!  The photos start with His Royal Highness's miraculous perspiration patterns.  He sweats on his fighting gambeson in fleur-de-lis!  They also include Turk getting his AOA in court and Kaminari no Shiro (who won the tournament that day) receiving the honor of an invitation to the Amethyst Tournament. 
In Service,
Ariella and Byron
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From rufinasca at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 22:48:53 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:48:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT: lovey handsome cat needs home quickly
Message-ID: <88ccaae90806261948q449ce01cxb448f10bfdb9c41b@mail.gmail.com>

handsome? is that the right word? well, either way he is very pretty. :)

it's late and i'm very tired, but the very short of it is that i rescued a
very nice black cat from a parking lot in RIDC park today. he is currently
at michelina's house, but has to go somewhere else tomorrow as she already
has two cats and can't keep him. i REALLY REALLY don't want to take him to
the humane society. he is the kind of guy who walks into your lap and
cuddles and purrs. he'd been hanging around the hotel parking lot for about
3 or 4 days and had no sense about traffic, so i just in good conscience
could not leave him there. i CANNOT keep a cat in my house with my ferrets -
and my landlords won't allow it anyways.

he is probably somewhere between 8 months and 1 year old. lanky. looks
black, but in the right light is actually black and dark brown stripes in
spots. very gentle, very polite. he is un-neutered, but we can get that
taken care of cheaply with my vet next tuesday night.

if anyone can offer him a good home, PLEASE CALL ME - i have to travel to
get email and i'm lucky if i get it once a day. i can be reached at
412-721-5028  any hour. no problem.

the cat shelter i called is full, and i'm not sure what to do with him
otherwise :(

thanks

rufina
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From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 27 10:27:00 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:27:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Smithsonian artical on Vikings
Message-ID: <944478.11449.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Raiders or Traders?"
Smithsonian magazine, July 2008

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/raiders-vikings.html

----------------------------------------------------------
And this above all to thine own self be true.
                                - Shakespeare, "Hamlet"


      

From rufinasca at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 22:58:42 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:58:42 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT: lovey handsome cat needs home quickly
Message-ID: <88ccaae90806271958h2f5b183fq5747b17094831be7@mail.gmail.com>

thanks to raven & steve, we got in touch with an old friend of mine, and she
gave the cat a new home!! :)

3 cheers for michelina, the self described 'half-way house' for the kitty,
and raven for the good idea to get in touch with mary :)

thanks!!!

rufina
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From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Sat Jun 28 10:46:48 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:46:48 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Children's Event announcement
Message-ID: <002101c8d92d$cb3c9500$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Greetings! This is forwarded by Her Excellencies' Request:
Children's Event-July 12th-Barony of Delftwood 
Posted by: "DelftwoodBarony at aol.com" DelftwoodBarony at aol.com   robertsondana 
Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:32 am (PDT) 
Kind cousins....please forward this to your baronial email lists. We want to get the word out to as many families as possible!

Thank you!
Clarice

*******************************************************************************

Families.....register now!? We have many great activities and crafts planned in addition to what is listed in the announcement, such as:

Soapmaking
Finger Crochet
Games (Board Style?and Other Types)
Sac Races
Cookie Decorating
....and still there is more!

The event announcement?follows for your convenience.

See you there!
Baroness Clarice Roan
Barony of Delftwood
*******************************************************************************

Children of the Knowne Worlde unite! This event is dedicated to you! No standing on the sidelines and watching the adults play, it's your turn! There will be Youth Boffer, A&S, Heraldry and Bardic Competitions, as well as classes/activities for all ages! There will be a modest dayboard throughout the day, and no feast. AND, because they were SO WELL BEHAVED last year, under your direct supervision we will allow your parents and guardians to accompany you throughout the day. 

Want to teach a class? No problem! Want to merchant? Can do! Just contact the autocrats. Autocrats: Baroness Clarice Roan (Dana Robertson), clariceroan at aol.com, 17 Huckleberry Lane, Liverpool, NY 13090, H: 315-622-8904, C: 315-532-1012 (no calls after 10pm) and Verederosa Dal Sol (Heather Holmes), hjholmes at gmail.com, 3949 Griffin Road, Syracuse, NY 13215, 315-214-3840 (no calls after 8 pm). Event opens at 10 a.m. and closes at 4 p.m. King Memorial Park, 4005 Split Rock Road, Camillus, NY 13031. (Pertinent Site rules: No Animals, No Glass Bottles, No Alcohol.) 

Site fees for Adults: $6.00, Children 6-16: $4.00, Children under 5 are free. There is a family cap of $20.00 (Maximum of 2 adults per family for family cap). There will be a $3.00 non-member surcharge for all those over age 18 unable to show proof of membership at the door. Please make checks to "SCA Inc., Barony of Delftwood." Reservations should be mailed to "SCA Inc., Barony of Delftwood/P.O. Box 6694/Syracuse, NY 13217. Reserve and arrive early! Our site has a 100 person maximum capacity.

Directions:? From 81 N or S: Take 81 N or 81S to exit 17 S Salina/Brighton Ave. Follow signs for S Salina Street/US 11. Make a left onto S Salina/US 11. Turn right onto W Seneca Turnpike/ NY-173. Follow approx. 5 miles. Turn left onto Split Rock Road/CR-39. The park is on your left. Use the 2nd entrance for the parking lot near the pavilion.

>From 90 E or W: take thruway to 690 E- Exit 39 SYRACUSE/FAIRGROUNDS. Take the RT 695 exit, Ext 6, towards RT-5 AUBURN. Merge onto NY-695 S. Merge onto NY 5 W towards AUBURN. Take the WARNERS RD/RT 173 exit. Turn right onto WARNERS RD/NY 173/CR 63. Follow NY-173 approx. 2.6 miles. Turn right onto SPLIT ROCK ROAD/CR-39. The park is on your left. Use the 2nd entrance for the parking lot near the pavilion.
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From noah at stormlogic.com  Sat Jun 28 22:08:38 2008
From: noah at stormlogic.com (Noah Ternullo)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:08:38 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Pennsic Teacher Handouts & MysticMail
Message-ID: <4866EEA6.8050300@stormlogic.com>

Howdy all,

    For those of you who don't know me, I'm Angus MacDougal (Noah 
Ternullo) and am contacting you on behalf of MysticMail.  If you aren't 
familiar with Mystic Mail we're the on site place to access the 
Internet, make copies, send faxes, etc.  Sort of a Scadian equivalent of 
Kinkos.  
    I wanted to let you know that MysticMail is now offering a service 
to teachers and students alike.   For the past couple of years, several 
University teachers have left their handouts in electronic and/or hard 
copy form, and we've helped folks get additional copies when there 
weren't enough to go around.  It's convenient because we are on site in 
the merchant area, and interested parties don't have to leave site.  Two 
years ago, this idea started to catch on and so we wanted to formalize 
it to make it as easy to service as many folks as possible.
    Teachers can upload their handouts at 
http://www.pennsic.net/mysticmail/Classes.html or walk in with hard 
copies or (preferably) electronic format during the war.   We will keep 
these around electronically and when students/teachers come to us and 
ask for a hand out, we'll print it out for them and just charge them for 
the print out and not the computer time.   Teachers get a hand out for 
free.  Please feel free to pass this information on to those you think 
it will help as the war approaches. 

    Sincerely,


    Noah Ternullo
    (412) 897-7791
    aka. Angus MacDougal of MysticMail.


From kvs at pobox.com  Sun Jun 29 23:06:35 2008
From: kvs at pobox.com (Kathryn Van Stone)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:06:35 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New mailing list and heraldry meeting change
Message-ID: <3E021D7A-9950-4711-9203-4D475407CC37@pobox.com>


Greetings from Elsbeth Anne Roth.

I have created a new mailing list, bmdl_heralds at yahoogroups.com for  
discussing items relevant to heralds of the group, primarily the  
organization of meetings and consult tables.  To subscribe visit  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmdl_heralds/ or send mail to  
bmdl_heralds-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.  Anyone is free to join. I  
will do my best to also note finalized meeting times on this list.

The next meeting will *not* be on July 2. I am still working on the  
alternate date.

In service.

Elsbeth Anne Roth
elsbeth at pobox.com