From muirgens at aol.com  Tue Jul  1 09:36:02 2008
From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:36:02 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT: Linen on sale
Message-ID: <8CAA99689BC94E2-13F4-B06@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com>


Hi, all:

Just in time for last mintute Pennsic sewing one of the linen purveyors we often buy from is offering an additional 15% off some of their linens.? I just looked at the colors that are on sale and many are quite nice -- many greens, berry colors, red, gold, many pastels, beige, etc.? Prices are between $5.50 and $7.70 per yard.? FYI, we use the IL019 for most of our 14th c. but the IL020 would probably be nice for light weight?clothes, underdresses,?and/or middle eastern garb as well.? They usually ship pretty quickly.

The shop is fabrics-store.com.

morgen
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From gabbywinter at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 12:32:48 2008
From: gabbywinter at gmail.com (Cindy Speer)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:32:48 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Sca-bmdl Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.47.1214928003.10614.sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <mailman.47.1214928003.10614.sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <d7d5bd950807010932n47763f0fu4273514206de593@mail.gmail.com>

Ooh, thank you for the head's up on fabric.

I guess this would be a good time to ask...are there any restricted
colors for clothing?

Gabby

From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 12:55:58 2008
From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:55:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Sca-bmdl Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <d7d5bd950807010932n47763f0fu4273514206de593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509632.73160.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nope. There are no sumptuary laws in AEthelmearc. Those are laws restricting the colors, fabrics etc. that people can wear. There are restricted symbols in the SCA, like the knights' white belt and chain, the pelican and laurel wreath and symbols of the Kingdom orders, but you can make your clothes whatever color you want.
?
That said, period dyes as a general rule produced softer colors than modern chemical dyes do - not meaning pastels or bland, dark?colors, but colors closer to those found in nature. Hot pink, electric purple?and lime green might not be your best choices. :-) I tend to go for earth-tones or jewel tones, myself.

Arianna

--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Cindy Speer <gabbywinter at gmail.com> wrote:

are there any restricted colors for clothing?

Gabby


      
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From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 13:04:26 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Color was Re:  Sca-bmdl Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <d7d5bd950807010932n47763f0fu4273514206de593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <970782.40163.qm@web35305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The SCA and Kingdom of AEthelmearc place no restrictions on what colors you may wear.  

That said, if you want to make a very historic looking outfit, it is worth your time to research natural dyes and the colors they create.  You'll very quickly learn that the colors available will depend on the  dye stuff and mordents used in a particular time and place along with what fiber is being dyed.  The good news is that most colors could be achieved some where and some when. A little research will go a long way here.

Raven     


--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Cindy Speer <gabbywinter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ooh, thank you for the head's up on fabric.
> 
> I guess this would be a good time to ask...are there any
> restricted colors for clothing?
> 
> Gabby
> 


      

From rufinasca at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 19:42:18 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:42:18 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT: looking for transport from ashville NC
Message-ID: <88ccaae90807011642t47776995j7fce9d982adeb46e@mail.gmail.com>

does any one here know anyone near ashville NC, or anyone who will be
passing thru there on the way to pennsic?

i work for a merchant and the other assistant is having trouble getting his
'house', a collapsable wooden structure, here for war.

if you know anyone in or around that area who might have excess space in a
trailer,
please let me know ASAP at rufinasca at gmail.com or 412-721-5028.

thanks!

rufina
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From scalongbow at windstream.net  Tue Jul  1 16:47:47 2008
From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:47:47 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Nearby event reminder
Message-ID: <486A97F3.2090504@windstream.net>


  Scribes, Fighters and Fencers


    An event in Gryffyn's Keep

 

Event date, July 12, 2008


      Union Presbyterian Church

 

Oh My. What a combo. Scribes come and work on your current projects or 
learn from some of the Kingdom's finest scribes. In attendance will be 
Mistress Antoinette de la Croix, Mistress Kris Gilibari, THL Gianna di 
Auriolo to name a few. Fighters and fencers we have some fun things 
planned. New fighters and fencers this is the last scheduled event where 
you can authorize for Pennsic. We will have the marshals available and 
the appropriate paperwork.

 

A light lunch is planned by Lord Thomas Lestrange(Thomas Butts) assisted 
by Lord Derek the Archer. For any dietary concerns contact Thomas at 
412-398-3808.

 

This will be held on July 12, 2008 at the Union Presbyterian Church, 656 
Rt 380, Murrysville, Pa. 15668 in the Shire of Gryffyn's Keep. The site 
will open at 9:00AM and close at 4:30PM, entrance is at the back of the 
church and the church sanctuary is strictly off limits. This is a dry site.

 

Autocrat is Lady Aileen ingen Proinnsias(Diane Leary, 4756B Rt  66, 
Apollo, Pa.           15613, 724-910-3883, <ailleann1949 at yahoo.com> Fees 
for the day: Adults $8 includes lunch, Children 6-12 $4 and children 5 
and under are free. The $3 NMS charge will be collected at the door from 
those 18 and over without proof of membership. Pre-registrations may be 
sent to Master Gwilym o'r Afonydd Tair (Bill Weichler, 145 Shelby Lane, 
Apollo,Pa.15613). Make checks payable to SCA, Inc.-Shire of Gryffyn's Keep.

 

Directions: From South and Pittsburgh area,

Take your best route to I-376East(Parkway)to the end and bear left on 
Rt22E towards Murrysville         .**      Go thru 3 red lights and bear 
right onto Rt 286E, Golden Mile Highway. Proceed thru 8 red lights and 
after the last one at the Dairy Queen go straight under the underpass on 
Rt 380 E. From here the church is approximately 2 miles on your 
right(Union Presbyterian church).

 

 From the North I-79 to Pa Turnpike East to the Monroeville-Pittsburgh 
exit, after toll booth bear right onto Rt22E towards Murrysville. Follow 
directions from **.

 

 From the East take either Rt22 or Rt 30 W to Rt 66N thru Delmont, go 
approximately 7 miles to a flashing yellow light and turn left onto Rt 
366 W towards New Kensington. Go approximately 4 miles to interchange 
with 380, Turn left thru medial and bear right onto Rt380 E., church 
will be approximately 1.5 mi on your right

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From rufinasca at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 23:14:32 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:14:32 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] ISO: alonzio
Message-ID: <88ccaae90807012014t15a3a1a7ve0eef925aa4e7b51@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone have a non-work email contact for alonzio?

or could he contact me off list please at rufinasca at gmail.com

thanks.

rufina
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From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Wed Jul  2 13:57:04 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:57:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] somewhat OT: URGENT! looking for people who had their
 gear taken to Gulf Wars this year
Message-ID: <49995.209.195.147.252.1215021424.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
Alastar and I were in the process of packing to go out of town this
weekend, and when we went over to the storage locker we discovered we are
missing four tent poles (two corner poles and two side poles) for a 12 x
16 Panther Marquee.  Alastar measured the remaining poles, which are 6'1".
 The corner poles are 2x2s, and have a cylindrical section on one end, to
fit the special end caps (we got the tent from, IIRC, The Crossing, and
the guy does his own rope/pole and stake kits); the others are 1-1/2 x
1-1/2.
If any of the folks who loaded stuff up in the Penske truck for this
just-past GW could check and see if they wound up with extras, please
contact us ASAP (we have to leave around 7 AM tomorrow, since Alastar is
going out to his company office for the day and we will be going on to WV
from there). The tent canvas and poles had been in the upper part of the
warehouse, in the back corner (not down where the Bakery stuff is kept).
We didn't realize stuff was missing before today, since we generally only
use the tent at Pennsic.
It's better to call us at this point than to send email: 412-734-3246 (the
machine will be on if we're not home).
Thanks in advance!
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net


From delacroi29 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 13:24:57 2008
From: delacroi29 at yahoo.com (m.allen)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] no scribes tonight- construction issue
Message-ID: <415653.94831.qm@web36102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Greetings,

We will be canceling Scribal this evening- we are under construction, however, we look fwd to seeing everyone next week.

Antoinette

"Be the change you want to see in the world."
-Gandhi




      

From crossbow1953 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  3 18:55:46 2008
From: crossbow1953 at earthlink.net (Urho Waltterinen)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:55:46 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Upcoming Archery News
Message-ID: <43B7C62D0C754B4F95902B10A5334C4B@Dellbert>

>From the Caption of Archers,

Two items of upcoming Barony archery news...

During the three weekends of Pennsic, there will be no archery practice at the Washington Boulevard site. Hope to see you all on the field at Pennsic.

also, I will not be bringing any of the the Barony archery loaner equipment to Pennsic. If you wish to borrow any equipment, please contact me before Pennsic.

In service to the Barony-Marche,

Urho Waltterinen
mka Eugene Siren
(412) 247-4467
crossbow1953 at earthlink.net

"If sack and sugar be a fault, God help the wicked!
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From darter_002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  3 20:07:10 2008
From: darter_002 at yahoo.com (Ron Lutz II)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] [SCA-AE]  Siege of Harlech Castle thank-yous
In-Reply-To: <252333.5457.qm@web57915.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <579750.77874.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


First let me say how sorry I am to have waited SO LONG?to process these photos. Since?becoming a stay at home daddy to Freja, and trying to run my photography business (yes, I left the Carnegie after 15 years!)?I find my time to work on stuff limited. With so many paying gigs and less time to work on them fun stuff had to take? back seat... 
?
Things are "normalizing" though, and I also bought a kick-butt new system that makes processing faster...
?
That said, here are the photos from the first Siege!
?
See: http://www.pbase.com/darter02/shc01
?
See you all at Pennsic! (where I will be an official vendor this year!)
?
Until then,
Ron, errrr... I mean Darter!

--- On Thu, 4/10/08, Lori Gilmore <osa920 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Lori Gilmore <osa920 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] [SCA-AE] Siege of Harlech Castle thank-yous
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org, "Cara & Char" <caram at pitt.edu>
Cc: "Dist List BMDL" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>, sca-aethelmearc at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
Date: Thursday, April 10, 2008, 11:59 PM



Just a thank you to Their Excellencies for opening up their home for The Siege of Harlech Castle--What an awesome day!? Also thanks to all who helped to make the day so great!
?
Lady Osa

Ben Cogan <donnghaile at gmail.com> wrote:
Also the Kitchen wishes to thanks Lord Clewin Kupferhelbelinc, who was
of great use in washing dishes and running food outside to the
fighters.

-Brandubh

On 4/7/08, Cara & Char wrote:
>
> With embarassment, we must note that we have inadvertently left (at least)
> one important gentle off the list: Constance Glyn Dwr, our noble
> Chirurgeon. Perhaps we were concerned that thanking the neice of the
> rebellious Owen Glyn Dwr might lead to further attacks on the castle.....
>
> --Byron and Ariella
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cara & Char
> To: sca-aethelmearc at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> Cc: Dist List BMDL
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:20 PM
> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Siege of Harlech Castle thank-yous
>
> Greetings Good Gentles! We hope everyone had just as good a time as we did
> at the Siege of Harlech Castle this past Saturday. We were lucky with the
> weather, and over 160 people came out for the event. That meant a lot of
> effort for some amazing event staff and we sincerely thank them.
>
> THL Brandubh o Donnghaile, Head Cook, and his kitchen staff of Ardis
> Bluemantel, Ailis Linne, Olivia d'Anjou, Creador Twinedragon, Alastar Scott
> MacCrummin, Elss (Rocky), Freya, Johan, Alessandra d'Avignon, Bonita of
> Steltonwald, Hildarun Hugelmann, and Judith of Kirtland. The sideboard was
> full of delicious food all day long!
>
> Sir Aengus MacBain, our stalwart Marshall in Charge, for running four
> different martial competitions that day
>
> Zianna Beguy Urdina de Truylos, for being Mistress of the Lists for the four
> martial competitions and authorizations
>
> Cai o'r Llyn, Parking Marshal and Pavel Dudoladov, deputy Parking Marshal
> for parking a huge number of vehicles on a street with almost no parking
> (and even shuttling event goers to nearby parking areas)
>
> Lissa of Stahlgeist for teaching a well-attended, enjoyable class on Serving
> 14th c. High Table
>
> Darter (mka Ron Lutz) who took photographs all day (they'll be at
> http://www.pbase.com/darter02 in a couple of weeks)
>
> Alaric MacConnal, the brave mentor for the first-time autocrats
>
> Elsbeth Anne Roth, for spearheading the Heraldic consultation that was
> available all day
>
> Tessa the Huntress for advising us about combat archery at the site over
> several months
>
> Lance and Colin for Set Up the night before the event
>
> Dishwashers Elsbeth the Beggar, Elizabeth and Maleodor (Sean Rankin)
>
> Aleea Bagah for organizing the sewing circle all day
>
> Charles de Cayeux, Clean up crew organizers, and his crew of Giovanni
> Magrino, Alana Griffin, Will Parris, and Roana d'Evreux
>
> Elsa, who organized and ran a wonderful Children's activities, and all the
> gentles such as Val Corbin who helped her
>
> Dani of the Seven Wells, for reservations and busy Tollner duty, and his
> assistants, She' erah bat Schlomo, Cassandra Theodosius, and Roana d'Evreux
>
> We could not have put on a successful, enjoyable event without the help of
> all those above and many others who offered assistance in days before and
> throughout the event. We are humbled by the service and generosity of so
> many - Thank you!
>
> In Service,
> Byron and Ariella
>
> written this second day after the Siege of Harlech Castle
>
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From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Thu Jul  3 21:37:18 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:37:18 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Siege of Harlech Castle pictures
References: <43B7C62D0C754B4F95902B10A5334C4B@Dellbert>
Message-ID: <004b01c8dd76$7f3c5940$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Darter's amazing photos from the Siege of Harlech Castle are now available on his web site:

http://www.pbase.com/darter02/shc01

Enjoy!

--Byron and Ariella

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From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Thu Jul  3 21:37:33 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:37:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Siege of Harlech Castle pictures
References: <43B7C62D0C754B4F95902B10A5334C4B@Dellbert>
Message-ID: <004f01c8dd76$87c911c0$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Darter's amazing photos from the Siege of Harlech Castle are now available on his web site:

http://www.pbase.com/darter02/shc01

Enjoy!

--Byron and Ariella

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From kvs at pobox.com  Sun Jul  6 11:25:13 2008
From: kvs at pobox.com (Kathryn Van Stone)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:25:13 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Heraldry commenting and consulting: Tuesday July 8
Message-ID: <05B11542-6328-4D58-999C-38A2B6C86FFB@pobox.com>

Greetings from Elsbeth Anne Roth,

The next heraldic commenting and consulting meeting will be held at  
my house on Tuesday, July 8, from 7-10 pm.

The August meeting is tentatively scheduled for Saturday, August 23,  
from noon to 6.

Feel free to contact me for questions or directions.

-Elsbeth

Home: 1194 Firwood Drive, Mount Lebanon, 15243

From donnghaile at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 09:21:36 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:21:36 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting July 9
Message-ID: <29c224fe0807070621x204518afha14ac1447f0fd4c4@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

Barony meeting will be held in Hammerschlag Hall B131 on Wednesday
July 9 at 8:00.

Business for the Meeting should be forwarded to the Seneschale
Fredeburg, as i will be unable to attend the meeting this month.

Cheers,
Brandubh

The following event has been confirmed.

Event Name:  ES MEETING
Event Type:  Meeting
Reference:  2008-AAMRBU

From:  07:30 PM Wed Jul 09 2008  to 10:00 PM Wed Jul 09 2008
Space:  HH  B131
Primary Organization:  SOCIETY OF CREATIVE ANACHRONISM (SCA)
Requestor:  Beck, Gretchen

CLASSROOM RESERVATION RESPONSIBILITIES

1.Bring this confirmation with you during your scheduled
event. This confirmation verifies that your event was
officially scheduled in this classroom.

2.Furniture must remain in the classroom. You are welcome
to re-arrange desks for your event. However, return the
desks to the normal classroom set-up when your event ends.

3.Dispose of all signs, papers, and waste from your event.

4.We suggest arriving 20 minutes before your event to
ensure the classroom is unlocked. If the room inadvertently
became locked, contact Security x82323 to open the room.

**5.If you have questions regarding classroom media or
ordering media equipment, contact Instructional Technology x82430
or 'itorders at andrew.cmu.edu'. **

6.Report classroom damage to 'esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu'.


To CANCEL this event, reply to 'esrooms at andrew.cmu.edu'.
Include this confirmation in your reply.


Thank you and enjoy your event!

Debra
r25webapp at andrew.cmu.edu wrote:

From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  7 10:42:40 2008
From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:42:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] SCA weapons / basket hilts available
Message-ID: <82879.5189.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In cleaning out the garage at my old house, I found a bunch of rattan weapons including 3 swords with basket hilts. The swords are pretty beat up but the basket hilts appear to be in good condition. If anyone is interested in them, please let me know. They're free to a good home, newer fighters get preference.
?
I'll be at Barony meeting this week, and could stop by fighter practice next Sunday if necessary.
?
Arianna


      
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From david_black42 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  7 13:03:00 2008
From: david_black42 at yahoo.com (david black)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:03:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Archery Practice
Message-ID: <649644.34250.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

attention!
   
  Steltonwald  will be having there weekly practice  to night  at the usual place   Beaver Valley archer range.  ALL ARE WELCOME!!!   
  If you need direction  contact me  Bovi
  David_black42 at yahoo.com
   
  thanks   see you there

       
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From kardasl+ at pitt.edu  Mon Jul  7 14:56:07 2008
From: kardasl+ at pitt.edu (kardasl+ at pitt.edu)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:56:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting July 9
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0807070621x204518afha14ac1447f0fd4c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29c224fe0807070621x204518afha14ac1447f0fd4c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3395.66.212.142.145.1215456967.squirrel@webmail.pitt.edu>

Could someone help post directions, I think I know where this one is, but
it has been a while.  Plus advice on parking, as I will be forcing the
munchins to attend the meeting with me, the less of a campaign trail, the
better.

Thanks
Alessandra

> Greetings,
>
> Barony meeting will be held in Hammerschlag Hall B131 on Wednesday
> July 9 at 8:00.
>
> Business for the Meeting should be forwarded to the Seneschale
> Fredeburg, as i will be unable to attend the meeting this month.
>
> Cheers,
> Brandubh



From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  7 15:18:41 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting July 9
In-Reply-To: <3395.66.212.142.145.1215456967.squirrel@webmail.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <470389.34053.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi!

Here's some directions that assume you know where the old Barony meeting site was. (Porter 100) 

- Park where you would as if Barony meeting was in Porter Hall 100. 
- Enter Porter Hall at it main entrance through the bottom set of doors.  (If you can find Porter 100, go down one floor.)
- Walk straight through the bottom floor of Porter Hall and exit the building.  You should be standing at the green lawn area between Porter and Wean Halls.  Hammerschlag is the building on your left at the end/bottom of the green lawn. It has a wide staircase and a rotunda on top.

- Walk up the staircase into Hammerschlag Hall and enter.
- Walk all the way down the hall to the large stair case at the back of the building.
- Go down 2 stories.
- Exit the staircase and turn right in the hall.  Walk about 10 feet.
- You should hopefully see people you recognize.

Here is a campus map.  Hammerschlag is labeled 10. The most convenient parking is on Frew street, labeled P3.
http://www.informedia.cs.cmu.edu/colloquia/campus_map.html

Raven

----------------------------------------------------------
And this above all to thine own self be true.
                                - Shakespeare, "Hamlet"


--- On Mon, 7/7/08, kardasl+ at pitt.edu <kardasl+ at pitt.edu> wrote:

> From: kardasl+ at pitt.edu <kardasl+ at pitt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting July 9
> To: sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 2:56 PM
> Could someone help post directions, I think I know where
> this one is, but
> it has been a while.  Plus advice on parking, as I will be
> forcing the
> munchins to attend the meeting with me, the less of a
> campaign trail, the
> better.
> 
> Thanks
> Alessandra
> 
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Barony meeting will be held in Hammerschlag Hall B131
> on Wednesday
> > July 9 at 8:00.
> >
> > Business for the Meeting should be forwarded to the
> Seneschale
> > Fredeburg, as i will be unable to attend the meeting
> this month.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Brandubh
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
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From kcanne at comcast.net  Mon Jul  7 16:06:42 2008
From: kcanne at comcast.net (kcanne at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:06:42 +0000
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting July 9
Message-ID: <070720082006.1048.487277520002D2BB0000041822007637040A02020E0C05@comcast.net>

Since CMU is now on summer semester, there is plenty of parking on Frew Street (between CMU and Schenley Park next to Port Hall).  The meters are free after 6.

- Fredeburg

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com>
> Hi!
> 
> Here's some directions that assume you know where the old Barony meeting site 
> was. (Porter 100) 
> 
> - Park where you would as if Barony meeting was in Porter Hall 100. 
> - Enter Porter Hall at it main entrance through the bottom set of doors.  (If 
> you can find Porter 100, go down one floor.)
> - Walk straight through the bottom floor of Porter Hall and exit the building.  
> You should be standing at the green lawn area between Porter and Wean Halls.  
> Hammerschlag is the building on your left at the end/bottom of the green lawn. 
> It has a wide staircase and a rotunda on top.
> 
> - Walk up the staircase into Hammerschlag Hall and enter.
> - Walk all the way down the hall to the large stair case at the back of the 
> building.
> - Go down 2 stories.
> - Exit the staircase and turn right in the hall.  Walk about 10 feet.
> - You should hopefully see people you recognize.
> 
> Here is a campus map.  Hammerschlag is labeled 10. The most convenient parking 
> is on Frew street, labeled P3.
> http://www.informedia.cs.cmu.edu/colloquia/campus_map.html
> 
> Raven
> 


From owaru at myfamily.org  Mon Jul  7 16:10:06 2008
From: owaru at myfamily.org (Black Paladin)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:10:06 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting July 9
In-Reply-To: <070720082006.1048.487277520002D2BB0000041822007637040A02020E0C05@comcast.net>
References: <070720082006.1048.487277520002D2BB0000041822007637040A02020E0C05@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <64843e500807071310i6b680d36la7ca7db7c8e3ece9@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:06 PM, <kcanne at comcast.net> wrote:

> Since CMU is now on summer semester, there is plenty of parking on Frew
> Street (between CMU and Schenley Park next to Port Hall).  The meters are
> free after 6.
>
> - Fredeburg


On the other hand, now that it is summer, Flagstaff Hill Movies have
started, so the availability of parking on Frew Street will be highly
dependent on [a] the weather, and [b] what movie is playing on that
particular night.  (Even though the movie doesn't start until dark, people
still get there early to claim good seats, relax, play frisbee, or
whatever.)  For reference's sake, Wednesday's movie is "Stardust."

-Cadell
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From physiea at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  7 16:21:51 2008
From: physiea at yahoo.com (Glen Jenness)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] ISO Rosalia
Message-ID: <276208.16797.qm@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rosalia-can you contact me off list please?
?
Richardt


      
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From cinnion at ka8zrt.com  Mon Jul  7 17:39:13 2008
From: cinnion at ka8zrt.com (Douglas Wade Needham)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:39:13 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting July 9
In-Reply-To: <64843e500807071310i6b680d36la7ca7db7c8e3ece9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <070720082006.1048.487277520002D2BB0000041822007637040A02020E0C05@comcast.net>
	<64843e500807071310i6b680d36la7ca7db7c8e3ece9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080707213913.GA10325@pell.home.ka8zrt.com>

If you are up to a bit of a walk, I think the CMU parking garage (and
perhaps even the lots) are free by 5PM.

    http://www.cmu.edu/parking/visitors.html

Checking things out there and on the map shows that the best location
to park besides Frew and the East Garage is the Morewood lot just
across from Hamburg Hall.  It is P12 on:

    http://www.cmu.edu/homeimages/campus-map/CMU_MapColor_11x17.jpg

And from there, cross the street, walk between the CIC and Hamburg (4
and 10 on the above map), cut to the left into Newell-Simon (building
15), up the stairs in the atrium, across the walkway into Wean 4th
floor (building 30), and go up to the 5th floor, to go out onto the
Mall and on into Hamerschlag (building 11).  Yes, a bit complicated,
but between the lack of un-keyed accesses on the lower levels of
Hammerschlag and the Gates Center contstruction, it is the best access
for the public.

And while it may be attractive to park in P10, P11, P14 or P18,
the parking in P10 between the CIC and Hamburg is very extremely
limited, and the other lots are subject to ticketing/towing.  And
there may be off-hours parking in the lower levels of the CIC (P4),
but I know it is prime parking, and even those of us working at the
CIC find it expensive during the day.  Enough so that I rely on the
busses as much as possible.

- Cinnion

Quoting Cadell (owaru at myfamily.org):
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:06 PM, <kcanne at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Since CMU is now on summer semester, there is plenty of parking on Frew
> > Street (between CMU and Schenley Park next to Port Hall).  The meters are
> > free after 6.
> >
> > - Fredeburg
> 
> 
> On the other hand, now that it is summer, Flagstaff Hill Movies have
> started, so the availability of parking on Frew Street will be highly
> dependent on [a] the weather, and [b] what movie is playing on that
> particular night.  (Even though the movie doesn't start until dark, people
> still get there early to claim good seats, relax, play frisbee, or
> whatever.)  For reference's sake, Wednesday's movie is "Stardust."
> 
> -Cadell

From kardasl+ at pitt.edu  Tue Jul  8 08:50:00 2008
From: kardasl+ at pitt.edu (kardasl+ at pitt.edu)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Barony Meeting July 9 - directions
In-Reply-To: <20080707213913.GA10325@pell.home.ka8zrt.com>
References: <070720082006.1048.487277520002D2BB0000041822007637040A02020E0C05@comcast.net>
	<64843e500807071310i6b680d36la7ca7db7c8e3ece9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080707213913.GA10325@pell.home.ka8zrt.com>
Message-ID: <1168.66.212.142.145.1215521400.squirrel@webmail.pitt.edu>

Thank you all for the great help with directions, I will do my best not to
get lost :-)

Alessandra


From gorditagatita at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  8 09:03:46 2008
From: gorditagatita at yahoo.com (Ashley Capps)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:03:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] ISO Rosalia
Message-ID: <252511.71216.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Contacted!

Thanks,
Rosalia


      

From rojosephine at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 22:11:43 2008
From: rojosephine at yahoo.com (Roseanna Di Tommaso)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:11:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Thrown Weapons Practice 07/13
In-Reply-To: <mailman.642.1215135338.5098.sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <144086.17021.qm@web58002.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

There will be Thrown Weapons practice this Sunday, July 13th, from 11 - 1 pm at the Washington Blvd. site.  Come on down and improve those Royal Round averages!  

Porfinna


      

From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Wed Jul  9 22:20:28 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:20:28 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] banner heraldry question
Message-ID: <001701c8e233$85371c10$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Greetings!  Elss has graciously and skillfully offered to design 6 tall banner poles from which to fly 6 Baronial encampment banners (approx. 20 ft high, spaced at points along our camp road border).  Tonight after Barony meeting we were discussing how to put the Barony's arms upon them and I thought we should ask those in our Barony more experienced with shapes of banners depicted in period.  She had a proposed rectangular banner supported with a dowel above and below that would hang from the top of the pole.  I have admired triangular pennant-style banners, the kind that only fly out full length with wind, at various Pennsic and Gulf Wars camps.  Can anyone help us out with which styles we can document?  
Thank you!
Ariella
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From donnghaile at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 00:18:53 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:18:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian
Message-ID: <29c224fe0807092118v51343eb8q7ec4e34ebfb20d19@mail.gmail.com>

Hilderun Hugelmann and Brandubh O Donnghaile welcome the newest
addition to the barony:

Carl Emrys Cogan   born 7:09 Pm on July 9, 2008.  8 Lbs 13 oz, 22.5 inches long.

Mom and baby are currently in Room 3815 in Magee Women's hostipal in
Oakland and invite visitors.

Cheers,
Brandubh

From greenstein at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 10 01:23:40 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:23:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian
Message-ID: <15257230.1215667420825.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Hilderun Hugelmann and Brandubh O Donnghaile welcome the newest
>addition to the barony:
>
>Carl Emrys Cogan   born 7:09 Pm on July 9, 2008.  8 Lbs 13 oz, 22.5 inches long.

Woo hoo!  Congratulations to you both.

Should there be a SCAdian Husbandry comet?

- Michael

From delacroi29 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 10 08:14:04 2008
From: delacroi29 at yahoo.com (m.allen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:14:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Still under construction
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0807092118v51343eb8q7ec4e34ebfb20d19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <690257.23939.qm@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry all, no scribal tonight, we are still under construction and do not have any front steps...

adieu,
Antoinette

"Be the change you want to see in the world."
-Gandhi



      

From muirgens at aol.com  Thu Jul 10 09:49:20 2008
From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:49:20 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0807092118v51343eb8q7ec4e34ebfb20d19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29c224fe0807092118v51343eb8q7ec4e34ebfb20d19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CAB0AAE33E6882-128C-C3F@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com>

Yippy!

Growing the Society by any means necessary - I love it!

Congrats to all!

morgen


-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Cogan <donnghaile at gmail.com>
To: BMDL <Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>; SteltonWald at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:18 am
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian



Hilderun Hugelmann and Brandubh O Donnghaile welcome the newest
addition to the barony:

Carl Emrys Cogan   born 7:09 Pm on July 9, 2008.  8 Lbs 13 oz, 22.5 inches long.

Mom and baby are currently in Room 3815 in Magee Women's hostipal in
Oakland and invite visitors.

Cheers,
Brandubh
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From muirgens at aol.com  Thu Jul 10 09:55:15 2008
From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:55:15 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT:  Babysitting help needed for Pennsic
Message-ID: <8CAB0ABB6E725FC-128C-CDD@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com>

Hi, friends:

Christopher and I anticipate a busy War and will need some help with babysitting Josie.? If you are interested/available, please mail me at this address.? We are still coordinating our schedules, but sure bets are all the battles, Curia, Court, etc.? We are happy to talk fee-for-service!

Thanks,

morgen
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From muirgens at aol.com  Thu Jul 10 09:59:54 2008
From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:59:54 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian
In-Reply-To: <15257230.1215667420825.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <15257230.1215667420825.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CAB0AC5D669A07-128C-D5F@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com>

I suppose one could argue that babies are "reproduction in a period style...".? 

morgen


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael B. Greenstein <greenstein at earthlink.net>
To: BMDL <Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 1:23 am
Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian



>Hilderun Hugelmann and Brandubh O Donnghaile welcome the newest
>addition to the barony:
>
>Carl Emrys Cogan   born 7:09 Pm on July 9, 2008.  8 Lbs 13 oz, 22.5 inches 
long.

Woo hoo!  Congratulations to you both.

Should there be a SCAdian Husbandry comet?

- Michael
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From cinnion at ka8zrt.com  Thu Jul 10 11:31:35 2008
From: cinnion at ka8zrt.com (Douglas Wade Needham)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:31:35 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian
In-Reply-To: <8CAB0AC5D669A07-128C-D5F@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com>
References: <15257230.1215667420825.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<8CAB0AC5D669A07-128C-D5F@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080710153135.GB29491@pell.home.ka8zrt.com>

Quoting muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com):
> I suppose one could argue that babies are "reproduction in a period style...".? 
> 
> morgen

One could, Your Highness.  Indeed, just like the copies made in the
monasteries, each copy is slightly different, with something from the
original and the copier.

Congrats Hilderun and Brandubh, and may this new member of your family
and the greater SCA family find that sleeping through the night is the
norm instead of the exception.

- Cinnion (and Cat and Evlyn)

-- 
Douglas Wade Needham - KA8ZRT        UN*X Consultant & UW/BSD kernel programmer
Email:  cinnion @ ka8zrt . com       http://www.ka8zrt.com
Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.  Since I don't want them, why
            should my employer, or anybody else for that matter! 

From mbiearman at vanadium.com  Thu Jul 10 10:18:20 2008
From: mbiearman at vanadium.com (Marcia Biearman)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:18:20 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] [SteltonWald] New Scadian
References: <29c224fe0807092118v51343eb8q7ec4e34ebfb20d19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c8e297$d042b1b0$6d0119c0@marcia1>

What great news !
You can never have too many Scadians... glad to hear all is well... 
Bianca & Stevyn
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ben Cogan 
  To: BMDL ; SteltonWald at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:18 AM
  Subject: [SteltonWald] New Scadian


  Hilderun Hugelmann and Brandubh O Donnghaile welcome the newest
  addition to the barony:

  Carl Emrys Cogan born 7:09 Pm on July 9, 2008. 8 Lbs 13 oz, 22.5 inches long.

  Mom and baby are currently in Room 3815 in Magee Women's hostipal in
  Oakland and invite visitors.

  Cheers,
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From rufinasca at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 17:29:00 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:29:00 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0807092118v51343eb8q7ec4e34ebfb20d19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29c224fe0807092118v51343eb8q7ec4e34ebfb20d19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88ccaae90807101429q73773862xb31309d663643c77@mail.gmail.com>

they had their baby during barony meeting and didn't make it an A&S
demo??????  ;)

congrats guys!!


rufina

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Ben Cogan <donnghaile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hilderun Hugelmann and Brandubh O Donnghaile welcome the newest
> addition to the barony:
>
> Carl Emrys Cogan   born 7:09 Pm on July 9, 2008.  8 Lbs 13 oz, 22.5 inches
> long.
>
> Mom and baby are currently in Room 3815 in Magee Women's hostipal in
> Oakland and invite visitors.
>
> Cheers,
> Brandubh
> _______________________________________________
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From greenstein at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 10 17:44:00 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:44:00 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] New Scadian
References: <29c224fe0807092118v51343eb8q7ec4e34ebfb20d19@mail.gmail.com>
	<88ccaae90807101429q73773862xb31309d663643c77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bd01c8e2d6$1051e3a0$6755a8c0@vgg.local>

> they had their baby during barony meeting

Maybe I should attend more meetings.  They seem to be getting livelier.

- Michael


From crossbow1953 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 10 19:26:34 2008
From: crossbow1953 at earthlink.net (Urho Waltterinen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:26:34 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Sunday practice site clean-up
Message-ID: <2BC5D86C224B4934B19213C3324E033B@Dellbert>

>From the Captain of Archers,

To repeat an appeal that I made at Barony meeting...

We have a problem at the Sunday fighting practice site. It's filthy.

I realize that we are not responsible for the mess that others have made, but it should be our duty to clean it up.

I'm asking anyone who can make it, come to fighting practice early and help to pick up the food wrappers and bottles that are strewn all over. I will bring trashbags to gather up the trash and I'm willing to cart away the bags we fill. I plan to be there at 10:00 to start. I recommend bring work gloves to protect yourselves.

Remember that we temporarily lost our site two years ago after anonymous complaints. We don't need to give them any excuses to kick us out again.

In Service to the Barony-Marche,

Urho Waltterinen
mka Eugene Siren
(412) 247-4467
crossbow1953 at earthlink.net

"If sack and sugar be a fault, God help the wicked!
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From crossbow1953 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 13 20:03:18 2008
From: crossbow1953 at earthlink.net (Urho Waltterinen)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:03:18 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Site Cleanup
Message-ID: <3016ADBD5411469584EC6F9B9F9FCC80@Dellbert>

I want to thank those members who came out early this morning to clean up the garbage and do a little bit of landscaping...

Logan/Stanislaw
Kavsthub Rao (his first time joining us!)
Robert MacLachlon
Genevieve
Tofi
ELSS/Rocky Hayeslip
Elsa/Laura Lindsay
William Parris

I'll close with a quote from Elsa

"Sometimes I do things just for love of the SCA..."


Urho Waltterinen
mka Eugene Siren
(412) 247-4467
crossbow1953 at earthlink.net

"If sack and sugar be a fault, God help the wicked!
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From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Sun Jul 13 20:45:47 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:45:47 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Site Cleanup
References: <3016ADBD5411469584EC6F9B9F9FCC80@Dellbert>
Message-ID: <001901c8e54a$f4b56b90$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Vivant to all who answered observant Urho's most appropriate call for service!  The hours these worthy gentles spent will not go unnoticed by our Barony or the City Council of Pittsburgh.  We will send a letter praising their unsolicited cleaning of the site to our City Councilman tomorrow.  It is spontaneous acts of generosity like this that make the SCA, and our Barony in particular, an inspiring and enjoyable community!
In Service,
Byron and Ariella
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Urho Waltterinen 
  To: BMDL ; BMDL Officers 
  Cc: Cara and Char 
  Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:03 PM
  Subject: Site Cleanup


  I want to thank those members who came out early this morning to clean up the garbage and do a little bit of landscaping...

  Logan/Stanislaw
  Kavsthub Rao (his first time joining us!)
  Robert MacLachlon
  Genevieve
  Tofi
  ELSS/Rocky Hayeslip
  Elsa/Laura Lindsay
  William Parris

  I'll close with a quote from Elsa

  "Sometimes I do things just for love of the SCA..."


  Urho Waltterinen
  mka Eugene Siren
  (412) 247-4467
  crossbow1953 at earthlink.net

  "If sack and sugar be a fault, God help the wicked!
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From kardasl+ at pitt.edu  Mon Jul 14 15:37:43 2008
From: kardasl+ at pitt.edu (Larry & Colleen Kardasz)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Retaining for Their Highness at Pennsic
Message-ID: <2745.66.212.142.145.1216064263.squirrel@webmail.pitt.edu>

Greetings all,

I am the Reign Coordinator for Their Highness Christopher and Morgen.  I
am putting together the schedule for retainers at Pennsic.  If you have
some time available, and wouldn't mind working a two hour shift, please
email me your SCA Name, Modern Name, and Group and Block for camping and
email address.

In Service,
Alessandra
kardasl at pitt.edu


-- 
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." -- Dave
Barry



From siobhanmacdermott at comcast.net  Mon Jul 14 15:57:01 2008
From: siobhanmacdermott at comcast.net (Melissa Strobel )
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:57:01 +0000
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT: ISO Alastair
Message-ID: <071420081957.27688.487BAF8D00082DF600006C2822070216339B9B01039D0A0B0C0E03020E080D01079C@comcast.net>

Could Alastair or Myfanwy (apologies if I butchered one or both of those names) contact me off-list please? 

Pardon the interruption, 

Siobhan 






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From rojosephine at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 14 16:47:26 2008
From: rojosephine at yahoo.com (Roseanna Di Tommaso)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:47:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Thrown Weapons Results & Practice 07/20/08
In-Reply-To: <mailman.43.1211904003.27772.sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <79475.28215.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Greetings Throwers,

http://twscores.aethelmearc.net/index.php

The above address is where you can check your score for Thrown Weapons Royal Rounds.  Next practice (and last one before Pennsic) will be this Sunday, July 20th, 11 am to 1 pm.  See you there!

Porfinna


      

From wanderingpixie at livejournal.com  Mon Jul 14 16:57:53 2008
From: wanderingpixie at livejournal.com (Erin Childs)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:57:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] banner heraldry question
In-Reply-To: <001701c8e233$85371c10$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>
References: <001701c8e233$85371c10$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>
Message-ID: <6022261b0807141357u5f5064d0k4b25fa78b24cb65e@mail.gmail.com>

I do not have the documentation at hand, but both rectangular and
pennant style are documentable, if I recall correctly, as well as many
others.  (Shield-shaped is really the most blatently non-period.)

A quick Google search led me to a few possibly useful sites:

http://merouda.com/asheraldry/as14.htm
     especially the link to this article
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207004328/http://donna.hrynkiw.net/flags/

http://www.greyniche.org/documents/heraldicDisplay.doc

I hope those can provide you with some useful tips.

-Ailis

On 7/9/08, Cara & Char <charb at mail.connecttime.net> wrote:
>
> Greetings!  Elss has graciously and skillfully offered to design 6 tall
> banner poles from which to fly 6 Baronial encampment banners (approx. 20 ft
> high, spaced at points along our camp road border).  Tonight after Barony
> meeting we were discussing how to put the Barony's arms upon them and I
> thought we should ask those in our Barony more experienced with shapes of
> banners depicted in period.  She had a proposed rectangular banner supported
> with a dowel above and below that would hang from the top of the pole.  I
> have admired triangular pennant-style banners, the kind that only fly out
> full length with wind, at various Pennsic and Gulf Wars camps.  Can anyone
> help us out with which styles we can document?
> Thank you!
> Ariella
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From donnghaile at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 11:49:17 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:49:17 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: [SCA-Dance] Dance class schedule
In-Reply-To: <bdd.314c3894.35af2baf@aol.com>
References: <bdd.314c3894.35af2baf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <29c224fe0807160849u788f3138sb7819da551ace8fa@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Judith <judithsca at aol.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Dance class schedule
To: sca-dance at sca-dance.org


Salvete!

  Here is the final dance class schedule for Pennsic. There have been
some corrections versus the schedules that are online and that
will be published in the book.

Judith

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From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Wed Jul 16 22:35:04 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:35:04 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Master Brendan's latest work
References: <79475.28215.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006401c8e7b5$b81f3950$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Master Brendan has completed another painting on the walls of our great 
hall.

I did a better job of documenting his progress on this painting.  For those 
who are interested, this video shows a series of images during the process:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GOcDm5lOtc

You can see a high-resolution version of the final product here:

http://www.pitt.edu/~caram/newadds.htm

I recommend watching the video first.

--Byron 


From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 09:03:19 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
Message-ID: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many gentles in this barony and the SCA knit, embroider, etc. at gatherings where the main activity has nothing to do with their handwork.  Do you find this rude?  Why or why not? Please state if you indulge in this habit.

Hrefna

P.S. Since some people may have their lives threatened by their significant other if they respond with anything other then "Of course it's not rude, Dear", those folks can email me privately to have their true opinions posted anonymously.  


-------------------------------------

DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person to knit, crochet or piece a quilt while attending a meeting or other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE SUNBELT 

DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about this, I do think it's rude. When someone is attending a meeting or a social gathering, it is considered good manners to give the speaker or other attendees your full attention. And while I expect to hear from readers who say they can "multi-task," to do so sends the wrong message. 



----------------------------------------------------------
And this above all to thine own self be true.
                                - Shakespeare, "Hamlet"


      

From donnghaile at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 09:16:10 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:16:10 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29c224fe0807170616q165397dcv931fc2478b82065d@mail.gmail.com>

It's a sign, and signs are useful things.  I don't find it rude.  The
sign says that I'm here as a passive participant.  In our set of
constraints I find it to mean that the person is there because they
want to be, they want the social interaction and camaraderie, but they
are not intending to actively participate in the meeting.

I suppose I would find this rude in a professional setting, where it's
even more blatant than just day dreaming and doodling in your note pad
through a meeting.

Cheers,
Brandubh



On 7/17/08, Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many gentles in this barony and the SCA knit, embroider, etc. at gatherings where the main activity has nothing to do with their handwork.  Do you find this rude?  Why or why not? Please state if you indulge in this habit.
>
> Hrefna
>
> P.S. Since some people may have their lives threatened by their significant other if they respond with anything other then "Of course it's not rude, Dear", those folks can email me privately to have their true opinions posted anonymously.
>
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person to knit, crochet or piece a quilt while attending a meeting or other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE SUNBELT
>
> DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about this, I do think it's rude. When someone is attending a meeting or a social gathering, it is considered good manners to give the speaker or other attendees your full attention. And while I expect to hear from readers who say they can "multi-task," to do so sends the wrong message.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> And this above all to thine own self be true.
>                                - Shakespeare, "Hamlet"
>
>
>
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From wolfgangguntherson at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 09:36:13 2008
From: wolfgangguntherson at yahoo.com (Wolfgang Guntherson)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:36:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0807170616q165397dcv931fc2478b82065d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <919193.23446.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


I agree with Dear Abbey...although with a very small caveat.  For purely social situations...parties, feasts and events where lots of things are going on, I don't see any problem with it.  But at a meeting with a specific purpose, I do think it is rude, especially if a presentation is being given.  If you aren't interested in providing your full attention, why are you there?  If you want to socialise, there are other more appropriate times to do so...like...after the meeting.

Not only do I not knit, but I am terrible at multi-tasking.

Wolfgang

> 
> On 7/17/08, Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many
> gentles in this barony and the SCA knit, embroider, etc. at
> gatherings where the main activity has nothing to do with
> their handwork.  Do you find this rude?  Why or why not?
> Please state if you indulge in this habit.
> >
> > Hrefna
> >
> > P.S. Since some people may have their lives threatened
> by their significant other if they respond with anything
> other then "Of course it's not rude, Dear",
> those folks can email me privately to have their true
> opinions posted anonymously.
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person to
> knit, crochet or piece a quilt while attending a meeting or
> other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE SUNBELT
> >
> > DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about
> this, I do think it's rude. When someone is attending a
> meeting or a social gathering, it is considered good manners
> to give the speaker or other attendees your full attention.
> And while I expect to hear from readers who say they can
> "multi-task," to do so sends the wrong message.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> > And this above all to thine own self be true.
> >                                - Shakespeare,
> "Hamlet"
> >
> >
> >
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From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 09:45:23 2008
From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fw: Re:  courtesy
Message-ID: <629125.65848.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>







I do NOT think it is rude to do handwork at a meeting - as long as the person in question is not running the meeting. The person who is running things (e.g. the seneschale at Barony meeting) should *not* be doing handwork. As Dear Abby says, it sends the wrong message, of at least a small amount of inattention, when presumably the organizer will be making decisions based on the discussions..
?
I don't knit or crochet, and seldom embroider much anymore, but I have no problem with people doing so while listening to or participating in meeting?discussions. And I think it is totally appropriate at a social gathering, especially in the SCA, where it provides an opportunity to pass along knowledge! 
?
All that said, in an SCA context we do a lot of other types of handwork, and some may be more appropriate than others for meetings. Making chainmail is ok. Hammering a tooling implement on leather is less so, mostly because of the noise. Dishing a helmet with a ball peen hammer is right out. :-)
?
FWIW, this issue has been around for a long time. My mother, who was a teacher, got occasional flack for bringing her knitting to Teachers' Association meetings back in the 1960s and 70s.???:-)
?
Arianna


      
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From cinnion at ka8zrt.com  Thu Jul 17 09:49:11 2008
From: cinnion at ka8zrt.com (Douglas Wade Needham)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:49:11 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0807170616q165397dcv931fc2478b82065d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<29c224fe0807170616q165397dcv931fc2478b82065d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080717134911.GB10128@pell.home.ka8zrt.com>

Quoting Ben Cogan (donnghaile at gmail.com):
> It's a sign, and signs are useful things.  I don't find it rude.  The
> sign says that I'm here as a passive participant.  In our set of
> constraints I find it to mean that the person is there because they
> want to be, they want the social interaction and camaraderie, but they
> are not intending to actively participate in the meeting.

I would actually say that depending upon the person, that
participation could be passive, or it could be active.  I have seen
many a SCAdian sitting there, taking an active part in a discussion,
all the while doing their craft.

> I suppose I would find this rude in a professional setting, where it's
> even more blatant than just day dreaming and doodling in your note pad
> through a meeting.

Gee... you should attend a weekly staff meeting at the PDL. I would
guess that about a third of us are actively on laptops, all the while,
actively participating in the meeting.  Right along with this, there
are "snacks" being consumed.  And those there without laptops
generally have no laptop.  Our director is included in the laptop
group... working throughout the meeting on his laptop, and eating the
plate of fruit he got at the start of the meeting.  Of course, we are
also a whole bunch of engineers/scientists. :)

- Cinn

-- 
Douglas Wade Needham - KA8ZRT        UN*X Consultant & UW/BSD kernel programmer
Email:  cinnion @ ka8zrt . com       http://www.ka8zrt.com
Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.  Since I don't want them, why
            should my employer, or anybody else for that matter! 

From muirgens at aol.com  Thu Jul 17 10:07:53 2008
From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:07:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <919193.23446.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CAB62DA3EB81B2-136C-1BD8@Webmail-mg21.sim.aol.com>

An interesting question...

I agree with Brandubh.? Doing handwork indicates that you are only there to listen and perhaps make a comment or two -- not participate actively.? I don't mind people doing handwork for the most part in an SCA meeting context or when friends gather for a casual "hang out" kind of get together.? 

I do think it is inappropriate when the?main activity is a performance or more formal talk or if your presence has specifically been requested (in our context that might be "Let's meet at 4 to?plan out?the event" or, more broadly, "let's have coffee on Thursday and catch up").? In those settings doing anything other than actively attending sends a message that the event or the person you are meeting with is simply not important enough to warrant your full attention.? 

Certainly if a person is being paid to be in a meeting (i.e.: at work) they should be paying attention and not engaging in a hobby-type activity.? That being said, I certainly doodle and write shopping lists in work meetings where my active participation is not needed.?

I know some people claim that doing hand work actually helps them concentrate.? I'm not sure that I buy that, but then I don't multitask well, don't do much hand work, and have a career that requires me to actively listen to people for sometimes hours at a time...

morgen


-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Guntherson <wolfgangguntherson at yahoo.com>
To: Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy




I agree with Dear Abbey...although with a very small caveat.  For purely social 
situations...parties, feasts and events where lots of things are going on, I 
don't see any problem with it.  But at a meeting with a specific purpose, I do 
think it is rude, especially if a presentation is being given.  If you aren't 
interested in providing your full attention, why are you there?  If you want to 
socialise, there are other more appropriate times to do so...like...after the 
meeting.

Not only do I not knit, but I am terrible at multi-tasking.

Wolfgang

> 
> On 7/17/08, Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many
> gentles in this barony and the SCA knit, embroider, etc. at
> gatherings where the main activity has nothing to do with
> their handwork.  Do you find this rude?  Why or why not?
> Please state if you indulge in this habit.
> >
> > Hrefna
> >
> > P.S. Since some people may have their lives threatened
> by their significant other if they respond with anything
> other then "Of course it's not rude, Dear",
> those folks can email me privately to have their true
> opinions posted anonymously.
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person to
> knit, crochet or piece a quilt while attending a meeting or
> other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE SUNBELT
> >
> > DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about
> this, I do think it's rude. When someone is attending a
> meeting or a social gathering, it is considered good manners
> to give the speaker or other attendees your full attention.
> And while I expect to hear from readers who say they can
> "multi-task," to do so sends the wrong message.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> > And this above all to thine own self be true.
> >                                - Shakespeare,
> "Hamlet"
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sca-bmdl mailing list
> > Sca-bmdl at lists.a
ndrew.cmu.edu
> > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl
> >
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From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 10:15:29 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fwd: Re:  courtesy
Message-ID: <203639.18442.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Forwarded with permission.

--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Linda Ullman <cat.the.elf at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Linda Ullman <cat.the.elf at gmail.com>
>
> I don't knit, but I crochet, bead and embroider at
> social functions
> semi-regularly.   Perhaps it's because I do so, that I
> don't think it's
> rude.  I would feel the same if Cinnion and I were
> somewhere and he were
> knitting.  I have done so in a Methodist church and was
> looked askance at.
> I have noticed the same thing in Baptist churches.  To the
> Unitarian
> Universalists however, it is a common occurance for members
> to be knitting
> during the service.  I agree somewhat with with Brandubh,
> in that I probably
> would find it out of place in a board meeting or something
> like that.  Since
> I have trouble sitting still, it helps me concentrate to
> crochet during
> church, barony meetings, etc.
> 
> In Service,
> Cat
> 


      

From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 10:17:36 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fw: Re:  courtesy
Message-ID: <250604.46313.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Forwarded with permission. To answer the question: "Main activity" refers to the reason for the gathering, e.g. court, guild activity, business meeting, class, private party, etc.


> Can you be more specific about the "main
> activity". If you are  referring to 
> a "performance" some gentles may be thinking of
> it  as atmosphere. If you are 
> referring to court, I believe the crown is  asking for your
> full attention. 
> The SCA has a lot of different social  norms and modern
> behavior does not always 
> apply. I find quiet  handwork relaxing. It also feels
> period appropriate to 
> stay busy.  Besides, events are my time to focus on my
> crafts too....
>  
> I think its rude if directly asked to give full attention
> and you  accept but 
> do not comply. In the end, its an activity we do as a hobby
>  for fun. We all 
> enjoy it in our own context and to our own degree. 
>  


      

From pmb_pa at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 10:27:14 2008
From: pmb_pa at yahoo.com (Pam Bolkovac)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:27:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <306242.82819.qm@web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For meetings, I think the answer is situational.  It
really depends on the type of gathering.  For example,
 Barony Meeting is people giving short bits of verbal
information, I don't see a problem with doing
something with your hands there.  Most people
understand that you can absorb small amounts of
information while doing something else and if you miss
a snipe of information, you're not lost for the rest
of the meeting.  If it was a meeting that contained a
visual presentation or a long verbal presentation,
then I think you should give it your full attention. 

As for social gathering, I'm not sure I'd say it's
rude.  But it does isolate you from rest of the
gathering and sends a message of "I'd rather be doing
this then interacting with the other people here"

Cassandra

--- Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many
> gentles in this barony and the SCA knit, embroider,
> etc. at gatherings where the main activity has
> nothing to do with their handwork.  Do you find this
> rude?  Why or why not? Please state if you indulge
> in this habit.
> 
> Hrefna
> 
> P.S. Since some people may have their lives
> threatened by their significant other if they
> respond with anything other then "Of course it's not
> rude, Dear", those folks can email me privately to
> have their true opinions posted anonymously.  
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------
> 
> DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person
> to knit, crochet or piece a quilt while attending a
> meeting or other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE
> SUNBELT 
> 
> DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about
> this, I do think it's rude. When someone is
> attending a meeting or a social gathering, it is
> considered good manners to give the speaker or other
> attendees your full attention. And while I expect to
> hear from readers who say they can "multi-task," to
> do so sends the wrong message. 
> 
> 
> 
>
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>                                 - Shakespeare,
> "Hamlet"
> 
> 
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From medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 10:36:41 2008
From: medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com (Shawn MacIntyre)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:36:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <720116.32380.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At an SCA related function, I would not consider this to be rude, in fact, I am usually impressed with how well people can knit or sew while paying attention to what is going on at a function. Many of the knitters are still asking questions while they go about creating ne pieces if clothing.

Shawn MacIntyre 
EMT/FFII 
Investigations Director
Greater Pittsburgh Paranormal Society
(SCA: Lord Liam MacanTsaoir)     




--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
> To: "Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:03 AM
> Hi all,
> 
> The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many gentles
> in this barony and the SCA knit, embroider, etc. at
> gatherings where the main activity has nothing to do with
> their handwork.  Do you find this rude?  Why or why not?
> Please state if you indulge in this habit.
> 
> Hrefna
> 
> P.S. Since some people may have their lives threatened by
> their significant other if they respond with anything other
> then "Of course it's not rude, Dear", those
> folks can email me privately to have their true opinions
> posted anonymously.  
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------
> 
> DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person to
> knit, crochet or piece a quilt while attending a meeting or
> other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE SUNBELT 
> 
> DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about this,
> I do think it's rude. When someone is attending a
> meeting or a social gathering, it is considered good
> manners to give the speaker or other attendees your full
> attention. And while I expect to hear from readers who say
> they can "multi-task," to do so sends the wrong
> message. 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> And this above all to thine own self be true.
>                                 - Shakespeare,
> "Hamlet"
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
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From griffin+ at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 17 10:38:42 2008
From: griffin+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Marybeth A Griffin)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:38:42 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <nz6mykgtw25.fsf@serenity.as.cmu.edu>

In my opinion, doing anything that prevents you from participating
fully in whatever manner an activity is intended for, can be rude. So
if you are at a meeting, and you are expected to listen and remember
what is said, if you do that, what does it matter if you also happen
to be knitting? I know many people, myself among them, who listen and
remember better at a meeting if they have something to do with their
hands. Sometimes it's simply taking notes, but at other times I just
need to fiddle with something.

There are many times where this breaks down. If I become so involved
in what I am doing that I cannot respond or participate, that can be a
problem. If I stop fulfilling the purpose of the meeting, then it's
not helpful for me to be there. 

If I distract the single/few presenters so much they cannot lead the
meeting, then generally I will need to suffer so that the greater will
benefit. Unless I can manage to sit somewhere where I will not
distract them (difficult in general), I'll just have to channel my
efforts into some other kind of socially-acceptable fiddling.

But the difficult question - what if my activity, which makes it much
easier for me to work within the meeting structure, makes it harder
for another person (not the presenter/leader) to participate? Here we
get into the fine line between courtesy and rudeness.

If I can move such that I am not visually bothering the person, and
it's not difficult for me to do so, I will. However, if the meeting is
full, or there is no place to move to, or worse - if the person being
bothered by me is upset simply by *knowing* I would be knitting, out
of sight - then I really don't know what to say. 

By continuing to bother that person, I am being rude. But, by their
being so upset about something that otherwise may not matter, they
also are being rude. Where does the line get drawn?

It's too easy to be overly upset by dealing with this after the
fact. How am I supposed to respond, when I find I've somehow offended
a person? In this case, it will depend entirely on your approach. If
you have been upset for hours, and then dump all that vitriol on
someone atonce, you'll blindside them and fix nothing. In fact, I'm
more defensive when that happens, and less likely to give a person
slack the next time it might happen.

As for myself, I've brought sewing and knitting projects to longish
meetings here at work, and have never had a problem yet. I don't need
to bring work to smaller or shorter meetings, as either I have my
laptop or I'm there for a good reason. The larger meetings are too
easy to be bored in, so having something to do lets me pay better
attention.

I do bring work to my weekly tabletop game, and as Giovanni is running
it, he knows the rule - we can do what we want, but please try not to
disturb him a lot, and make sure we're paying attention. The only time
I managed to disturb him was when I was sitting right next to him
playing a very click-click-click game, and it quickly got on his
nerves. Sadly, the second prohibition happens way too often (yes dear,
I'm trying, you said I've been good lately ;)

Alana

From scalongbow at windstream.net  Thu Jul 17 11:31:25 2008
From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym/Bill)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:31:25 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Courtesy
Message-ID: <487F65CD.9090703@windstream.net>

A Reply to:
From: Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com>
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy

________________________________

It seems that this has gone by the boards, courtesy.
Add to your list texting. Especially while at dinner
with a guest in a restaurant, or even while driving,
which is dangerous. But I suppose I'm just not part of
the 'in' crowd. I find it to be discourtious to those
who are there with you. If you cannot give me your 
attention for the amount of time we are there, then
why did you come?

Many years ago I attended a Pelican meeting where
a lady opened up her current project and worked on
it while the meeting went on. Needless to say I
don't attend many meetings anymore. I have better
things to do as well. Those things that earned me
my Pelican in the first place.

my 2 cents

Master Baron Gwilym




From elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 11:38:14 2008
From: elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com (Elss_of_Augsburg)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:38:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <22296.30816.qm@web46213.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hummmm. Very interesting question. How would Madame LaFarge answer it?
?
I have always thought that the answer to this lies partly in the amount of myself required to do the craft and partly in the activity that I am attending.
?
>From the "doing the craft" perspective:
?
For many, knitting and crocheting are crafts that one's hands do while one's brain and eyes are elsewhere. It is quite possible to do the work in the dark even, because the muscle memory continues to repeat the stitch without needing the eyes to constantly monitor the actions. Most of me is attending the meeting, with just occassional glances down to see what my fingers are up to.
?
I have never had the same success with needlework, as I am usually doing counted cross stitch and need to keep track of what I am doing. That means that my eyes and my attention are frequently diverted from the meeting and I lose some of the nuance of the presenter's facial expression and hand gestures. Also, I wouldn't be able to?look around at the audience, to gauge the reactions of others. I would be less engaged in general.
?
I don't do quilt work, but everyone I have seen do it seems to pay a lot of attention to it.
?
>From the meeting and the *presenter's*?perspective:
?
I would never do anything?craft-related in a business meeting. Inappropriate.
?
I would be reluctant to do anything in a smaller, more personal?meeting or gathering, as I would not want to call attention to the fact that I am only 99.9% engaged. Also, it is?distracting to the presenter if my attention is not on her and I am not acting like the rest of the audience.
?
If the group or audience were large and impersonal enough, I would sit in and quietly do my hand-work. If the group (no matter what size) was interested in crafts or DIY, then I would feel free to craft and to participate however I wish. I almost always have a project to work on when I am attending an SCA event, and I would feel comfortable?working on it in most situations.
?
Of course, this doesn't address knitting etc as anything other than just what it is. For a look at?craft as social activism, see the discussion on Knitting as a Revolutionary Act at http://userpages.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/knitting.html
?
Elss
?
~who has had to defend herself while crocheting at Steeler games.


--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com>
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
To: "Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:03 PM

Hi all,

The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many gentles in this barony and
the SCA knit, embroider, etc. at gatherings where the main activity has nothing
to do with their handwork.  Do you find this rude?  Why or why not? Please state
if you indulge in this habit.

Hrefna

P.S. Since some people may have their lives threatened by their significant
other if they respond with anything other then "Of course it's not
rude, Dear", those folks can email me privately to have their true
opinions posted anonymously.  


-------------------------------------

DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person to knit, crochet or piece a
quilt while attending a meeting or other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE SUNBELT 

DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about this, I do think it's
rude. When someone is attending a meeting or a social gathering, it is
considered good manners to give the speaker or other attendees your full
attention. And while I expect to hear from readers who say they can
"multi-task," to do so sends the wrong message. 



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From wanderingpixie at livejournal.com  Thu Jul 17 11:42:59 2008
From: wanderingpixie at livejournal.com (Erin Childs)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:42:59 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <919193.23446.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <29c224fe0807170616q165397dcv931fc2478b82065d@mail.gmail.com>
	<919193.23446.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6022261b0807170842n42978354l2a388a70485bfb93@mail.gmail.com>

So, I have to admit to being one of those folks who likes to have
something to do with their hands.  And I do question myself regularly
about any given situation being rude.  And I do think it's
situational.

However, there was one specific question brought up in the discussion
that I'd like to address.

On 7/17/08, Wolfgang Guntherson <wolfgangguntherson at yahoo.com> wrote:
> But at a meeting with a specific purpose, I do think it is rude, especially if a presentation is being given.  If you aren't interested in providing your full attention, why are you there?

I have had many, many presentations (in school and at work) that my
presence is required for, some less interesting, some more so.  And
I've found, over the years, that I have the same problem at both of
them: If you turn the lights off and give an even vaguely boring
presentation, I _will_ fall asleep.

One of the only consistent solutions I've found is to have something
to work on.  So my choice is to be potentially rude but attentive or
rude _and_ asleep.  I choose being attentive (even if it's rude) as
the lesser evil.

-Ailis

From frithar at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 11:45:45 2008
From: frithar at yahoo.com (laura lindsay)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <264270.7930.qm@web63712.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Please excuse a fringe-member offering an opinion! :D

I think an interesting aspect of all this would be, Is it *period* to engage in small hand-work activities during certain situations?

I think, and granted this opinion is entirely undocumented, that it certainly IS a period thing to do.  Every spare moment seemed to be spent in some worthy pursuit.  I have no doubt when women went visiting or socializing, they had a project with them, and would chat over needlework.

Now, sitting in a class is another thing entirely.  There, I think, gracious attention should be given completely to the instructor who reasearched and is presenting the topic.

Or am I missing the point entirely?  It wouldn't be the first time...

Elsa (Who's basing her opinion solely on-- it must be admitted-- the knowledge that women did this in the 1800's)


--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
> To: "Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:03 AM
> Hi all,
> 
> The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many gentles
> in this barony and the SCA knit, embroider, etc. at
> gatherings where the main activity has nothing to do with
> their handwork.  Do you find this rude?  Why or why not?
> Please state if you indulge in this habit.
> 
> Hrefna
> 
> P.S. Since some people may have their lives threatened by
> their significant other if they respond with anything other
> then "Of course it's not rude, Dear", those
> folks can email me privately to have their true opinions
> posted anonymously.  
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------
> 
> DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person to
> knit, crochet or piece a quilt while attending a meeting or
> other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE SUNBELT 
> 
> DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about this,
> I do think it's rude. When someone is attending a
> meeting or a social gathering, it is considered good
> manners to give the speaker or other attendees your full
> attention. And while I expect to hear from readers who say
> they can "multi-task," to do so sends the wrong
> message. 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> And this above all to thine own self be true.
>                                 - Shakespeare,
> "Hamlet"
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Sca-bmdl mailing list
> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl


      

From greenstein at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 17 11:58:41 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:58:41 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
References: <264270.7930.qm@web63712.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c8e825$fdf2f050$6755a8c0@vgg.local>

> I think, and granted this opinion is entirely undocumented, that it 
> certainly IS a period thing to do.

Consider that the beehive is a laudable symbol, representing industry. 
Consider whose work is done by idle hands.

Context is everything.  Bursting into song or serving food are very 
unwelcome, and the Hope Diamond a worthless rock, if they appear in the 
wrong context.

Do what seems appropriate to a given situation, with attention to whether 
your actions may be perceived differently than you intended.  Seek to avoid 
unintended displays of disrespect without being governed by the opinions of 
those who are easily offended.

- Michael 


From svoboda at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu Jul 17 10:06:22 2008
From: svoboda at andrew.cmu.edu (David Svoboda)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:06:22 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <20080717134911.GB10128@pell.home.ka8zrt.com>
References: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<29c224fe0807170616q165397dcv931fc2478b82065d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080717134911.GB10128@pell.home.ka8zrt.com>
Message-ID: <487F51DE.90608@andrew.cmu.edu>

There's a difference with bringing a laptop to a meeting and bringing 
sewing supplies. People who bring laptops to meetings can answer 
technical questions (eg is our website still up?). They also can take 
notes...in other words the laptops are useful tools for meetings. Sewing 
supplies are incidental, do not inherently contribute to the meeting 
like laptops do, and have nothing to do with the meeting (unless the 
meeting is about sewing, of course).

I generally think its a cultural thing...in some gatherings sewing while 
participating is par for the course, and in others its rude. Expecting 
DearAbby to give a single answer for all possible gatherings is really 
not reasonable, as it depends on the venue and the other participants.

~Dave
(AKA Arslan ibn Da'ud)

Douglas Wade Needham wrote:
> Quoting Ben Cogan (donnghaile at gmail.com):
>> It's a sign, and signs are useful things.  I don't find it rude.  The
>> sign says that I'm here as a passive participant.  In our set of
>> constraints I find it to mean that the person is there because they
>> want to be, they want the social interaction and camaraderie, but they
>> are not intending to actively participate in the meeting.
> 
> I would actually say that depending upon the person, that
> participation could be passive, or it could be active.  I have seen
> many a SCAdian sitting there, taking an active part in a discussion,
> all the while doing their craft.
> 
>> I suppose I would find this rude in a professional setting, where it's
>> even more blatant than just day dreaming and doodling in your note pad
>> through a meeting.
> 
> Gee... you should attend a weekly staff meeting at the PDL. I would
> guess that about a third of us are actively on laptops, all the while,
> actively participating in the meeting.  Right along with this, there
> are "snacks" being consumed.  And those there without laptops
> generally have no laptop.  Our director is included in the laptop
> group... working throughout the meeting on his laptop, and eating the
> plate of fruit he got at the start of the meeting.  Of course, we are
> also a whole bunch of engineers/scientists. :)
> 
> - Cinn
> 

From almond_roy at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 13:31:37 2008
From: almond_roy at yahoo.com (Roy Jacobs)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:31:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <236690.25478.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


One thing I don't think Dear Abby is considering here is the curse of the 'electronic tether' for those of us cursed, I mean, blessed with the responsibility of work-related things following us to gatherings. Personally, I don't find checking a Blackberry for alerts or outages to be any more rude than knitting or crocheting (provided the thing is not going off like a fire bell); I think people are more accepting of non-disruptive multitasking these days, and I think the response she provided is reflective of the user's age and upbringing.

Matthias
__________
And if you should find helpdesks actually fixing things for their customers, be not afraid, for you are in Elysium, and already dead!




--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Raven <hraefnn at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
> To: "Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands" <sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:03 AM
> Hi all,
> 
> The following letter appeared in Dear Abby.  Many gentles
> in this barony and the SCA knit, embroider, etc. at
> gatherings where the main activity has nothing to do with
> their handwork.  Do you find this rude?  Why or why not?
> Please state if you indulge in this habit.
> 
> Hrefna
> 
> P.S. Since some people may have their lives threatened by
> their significant other if they respond with anything other
> then "Of course it's not rude, Dear", those
> folks can email me privately to have their true opinions
> posted anonymously.  
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------
> 
> DEAR ABBY: Is it rude or inconsiderate for a person to
> knit, crochet or piece a quilt while attending a meeting or
> other gathering? -- CURIOUS IN THE SUNBELT 
> 
> DEAR CURIOUS: Although I may get some argument about this,
> I do think it's rude. When someone is attending a
> meeting or a social gathering, it is considered good
> manners to give the speaker or other attendees your full
> attention. And while I expect to hear from readers who say
> they can "multi-task," to do so sends the wrong
> message. 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> And this above all to thine own self be true.
>                                 - Shakespeare,
> "Hamlet"
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Sca-bmdl mailing list
> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-bmdl


      

From cellio at pobox.com  Thu Jul 17 13:39:41 2008
From: cellio at pobox.com (Monica Cellio)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:39:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f9e419dacfb09735ebb9fe28eb3f0d20.squirrel@pooh.klubkev.org>

This is an SCA mailing list, so I assume the proper scope of this
discussion is SCA activities only.

This is not a yes/no question.  It depends on context, the type and degree
of participation expected from the would-be crafter, the senses required
by the craft in question, and the degree of invasiveness.

A barony meeting is about disseminating, not usually discussing,
information.  An attendee is doing the aural equivalent of skimming.  Five
minutes in the next hour will matter to you, but you don't know which
five.  I don't see anything wrong with parallel-processing in that
context.

If we are talking about something more interactive, I think anything you
can still do entirely on auto-pilot would still be ok but anything that
requires you to look or think would not.  I'm told that certain types of
knitting and crocheting can be done blind; on the other hand, something
like counted embroidery would require your attention and thus send the
message "I'm only partially paying attention to you".  Reading a book (or
surfing the web) would seem to be right out, to me.

And if your craft requires that you make noise, emit odors, or take up
extra space around you for your crate of supplies, that's a different kind
of rude.

I don't do any small, non-invasive, portable crafts, which I sometimes
regret.  It would really help when meetings are long (and passive),
inefficient, or late.  (No, this is not a "teach me to knit" plea. :-) )

She'erah



From hraefnn at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 13:54:29 2008
From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fw: Re:  courtesy
Message-ID: <537106.93473.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Forwarded with permission

----------------------------------------------------------
> Hrefna;
> 
> I've never found these behaviors rude. Whether the
> project is for a specific purpose or just to keep oneself
> from fidgeting (a practice often mistaken for rudeness),
> there is no major crossover between paying attention to
> someone else and using one's hands. Having said that,
> it appears that Ms. Phillips, in her role as the current
> Dear Abby, is someone who is discomfited by anything less
> than the full and undivided attention of any audience. This
> is not always an unreasonable expectation and courtesy would
> dictate that anyone should be aware of the preferences and
> foibles of others around them, and then to decide when or
> if it is appropriate or counterproductive to ignore them in
> favor of one's own comfort or deadlines. For me, anyone
> who thinks that knitting, embroidery, piecing work, etc. is
> rude behavior, is often far more self-absorbed than I'm
> comfortable with, and I try to not inflict myself on them.
> The conflict of styles in behavior is counterproductive for
> both of us. In t
> he interests of full disclosure, and knowing that other
> people who know me well will read this, I admit, freely,
> that I am not above jerking the chain of someone of this
> ilk who inflicts themselves on me.
> 
> Liam


      

From helewys at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 14:08:20 2008
From: helewys at gmail.com (Helewys)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:08:20 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e672430c0807171108v7c45124ci3fb8e01a6ad58155@mail.gmail.com>

I bring my knitting everywhere I go for the most part. Especially to
SCA functions/meetings. I may not always have the chance to knit, like
in Officer's meetings where I am taking the minutes but it's always
there with me.

I'm also perfectly capable of giving my 100% attention to something
else while knitting something simple (read garter or stockinette
stich, preferably in the round). I can read a book while knitting
without having to look at my knitting. I can pay attention to a
speaker or a power point presentation while I'm knitting. In fact,
knitting helps me focus on what's being said more, it makes my mind
wander less.  It's simply something to keep my hands busy and be
productive while I'm being passive. Anyone who knows me has probably
seen me do this.

Outside of the SCA, I do consider my surroundings and then decide if
it would be appropriate to take out my knitting. I don't knit in
restaurants or at some social functions.  I do knit in waiting rooms,
in long lines, at the movie theater in the dark (again, I can knit
without looking at what I"m knitting), at meetings, occasionally in
traffic while I'm driving if I'm in stopped for a period of time (not
at a stop light but if I"m in a traffic jam etc) In fact, there's one
anecdote a well known knitter tells in a book about coming to some
sort of impasse with a truck driver and neither of them wanting to
move for the other one, so she took out her knitting and started to
knit. Needless to say, the truck moved first ;)

 If it's a situation where I think someone might mind, I ask "Do you
mind if I knit while we do X?" If they say yes, I respect their
request. For the most part, I don't ask this amongst my SCAdian
friends since it seems to be more common and more acceptable in our
community.

Cheers,
Helewys

From battalion73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 14:23:14 2008
From: battalion73 at yahoo.com (Troy Headland)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:23:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] ISO Duke Malcolm
Message-ID: <13610.12725.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Your Grace if you could contact me off list at either battalion73 at yahoo.com or my cell which is 724-494-9855.? I have an email address for you from a friend in Atenveldt.
?
As Always, In Service
?
Gabriel


      
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From KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net  Thu Jul 17 14:43:55 2008
From: KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net (KaziBrionSCA)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:43:55 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Fw: Re:  courtesy
In-Reply-To: <537106.93473.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <537106.93473.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9AEC531CFD174E1B9E2F6341136B780E@HomeOffice>

Greetings to all!

Liam's post succintly summarizes my own feelings on the matter.  Let me just
point out two things:

A.  As a beginner knitter, I have a while to go to the "autopilot" stage, so
I wouldn't try to be an active conversationalist and knit at the same time.
Knitting and listening in, with an occasional chime-in, would work for me if
it would work for others.

B.  It sure helps to use those quiet bamboo needles, instead of the plastic
or aluminum ones, which produce a clicking sound.

Best regards,

Kate (fka Kazi)





> Hrefna;
> 
> I've never found these behaviors rude. Whether the
> project is for a specific purpose or just to keep oneself
> from fidgeting (a practice often mistaken for rudeness),
> there is no major crossover between paying attention to
> someone else and using one's hands. Having said that,
> it appears that Ms. Phillips, in her role as the current
> Dear Abby, is someone who is discomfited by anything less
> than the full and undivided attention of any audience. This
> is not always an unreasonable expectation and courtesy would
> dictate that anyone should be aware of the preferences and
> foibles of others around them, and then to decide when or
> if it is appropriate or counterproductive to ignore them in
> favor of one's own comfort or deadlines. For me, anyone
> who thinks that knitting, embroidery, piecing work, etc. is
> rude behavior, is often far more self-absorbed than I'm
> comfortable with, and I try to not inflict myself on them.
> The conflict of styles in behavior is counterproductive for
> both of us. In t
> he interests of full disclosure, and knowing that other
> people who know me well will read this, I admit, freely,
> that I am not above jerking the chain of someone of this
> ilk who inflicts themselves on me.
> 
> Liam


      
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From delacroi29 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 16:35:15 2008
From: delacroi29 at yahoo.com (m.allen)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:35:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] under construction....
In-Reply-To: <537106.93473.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <994908.37384.qm@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We are still under construction and lack steps to the house, hopefully this will soon be remedied. No scribal tonight.

Antoinette

"Be the change you want to see in the world."
-Gandhi




      

From slavicdiva at pobox.com  Thu Jul 17 20:20:22 2008
From: slavicdiva at pobox.com (Diana Slivinska)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:20:22 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] courtesy
In-Reply-To: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <724758.56659.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C8CBCE94-AB00-465B-A829-A9A538F72DFF@pobox.com>

Greetings, all!

Here are some random thoughts from a handworker - I knit, crochet,  
bead, quilt, yada yada.  Some of these arts require more mental focus  
and concentration than others.

I don't do counted cross stitch, reticella or drawn thread work at  
meetings or in court.  For one thing, the supplies take up more  
space, and I have to pay closer attention, since my preferred forms  
of stitching involve something like 36-threads-to-the-inch linen.   
Better done at home, in the quiet, with better light than we have at  
most events.

I could sew pre-pinned quilt pieces together at Court or in a  
meeting.  It is the planning, cutting, selecting and pinning that  
takes concentration. But sewing two little thingies together with a  
tiny running stitch?  Not so much.

I have been knitting since I was eleven.  I can knit just about  
anywhere, any time.  In movie theatres, in the dark, in the car (what  
else does one do on a 6-hour trip?).  I have knit in Continuing Legal  
Education classes, inconspicuously (one was so deadly dull that I  
knit *and* read a book, at the same time!).  I have knit at Barony  
Meeting.  Currently, there's a little group of us who have been  
knitting socks in Court; none of our Royalty have objected.  Knitting  
is a quiet activity, and in a large hall such as we use for Court,  
we're not likely to be disturbing anyone.  Socks are small and  
portable, we need only 5 little needles and a small ball of yarn,  
that's all; the whole business fits easily in a lap, basket or small  
satchel.

I read somewhere, a long time ago, that the tiny sounds made by  
knitting needles can be soothing to hospital patients (knitting used  
to be a pastime done often by people sitting at the bedsides of sick  
people).   I do find that knitting occupies the part of my mind that  
tends to wander, and I am able to enjoy things like Court more  
thoroughly without the constant inner monologue that goes on inside  
my head when it doesn't have enough to occupy it.  I have the same  
inner monologue problem with mindless forms of exercise such as  
walking on a treadmill (I am *not* a hamster!) or riding a stationary  
bike - which is why group classes like Zumba work better for me; I  
have to pay attention, so I stay focused and don't end up  
woolgathering instead of working out!

You can determine a lot by the demeanor of the individual  
handworker.  Is the person engaging in conversation while their hands  
are doing something else?  If so, then what's the problem?  Where is  
the handworker's eyes, on the work, or on other people?  Are they so  
focused on their handwork that they are oblivious to everything going  
on around them?  I would find that rude and unacceptable, much like  
reading a book at a party.

Some of this is cultural.  I come from a handworking family; I don't  
recall my mom ever sitting down in the evening without a piece of  
embroidery or crochet in hand unless she was sick.  For us, handwork  
at family gatherings was normal and even expected.  I know others  
whose families don't make anything; they never seem to understand why  
I'd want to knit a sock when I could just go to K-Mart and buy some,  
and I've given up trying to explain.  "I do it because it pleases me  
to do it" never seems to satisfy them.  They are also the most likely  
to feel that I'm not paying sufficient attention to them if I'm also  
knitting.

Yes, I am one of those people who has a hard time *not*  
multitasking.  It is nearly impossible for me to watch TV or DVDs  
without something else to do - I either fall asleep or get fidgety -  
unless I am exhausted (then I tend to fall asleep anyway).  However,  
I find it more rude to be texting, emailing, or working on a laptop  
during a meeting - those endeavors require lots of attention to be  
paid to the electronic gizmo and whatever you're typing, and are far  
more likely to cause the worker not to pay attention to the meeting  
(we've banned laptop and cellphone use at our company's meetings,  
unless the laptop is being used specifically for the item being  
discussed or presented).

I find taking phone calls while in company the rudest activity of all  
- first of all, the phone makes noise, then the person whose phone  
rang makes noise answering it.  The talker then turns away from his  
companions and ignores them to yak with a third person not present.   
IMO, that is rude; far ruder than someone engaging in conversation  
while their hands are otherwise occupied.  The message sent by  
phoners is, "You (who are present) are less important/worthy/ 
interesting than this other person who has commanded my attention  
(although not present)."  Ruuuuuuuuude!

Just my unravelings for the day,

--Giulietta
  

From warrewyk at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 22:14:33 2008
From: warrewyk at gmail.com (Clemente de Warrewyk)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:14:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] July Althing
In-Reply-To: <02C13568-DA23-4016-A824-0976058A4157@mac.com>
References: <02C13568-DA23-4016-A824-0976058A4157@mac.com>
Message-ID: <fa04793f0807171914l44dc3213qaab37438d5450caf@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

The July 2008 issue of the Althing is now available for download at
http://althing.debatablelands.org.

This month's Althing contains:

Letters from the Officers
Event announcements
A redaction of a Tart of Herbs recipe by Mistress Arianna
Even more on English Land Tenure from Dani of the Seven Wells
Proposed Baronial Policies
Event Bid Policies
Web Minister Policies

In Service,
Clemente de Warrewyk
BMDL Webminister
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From crossbow1953 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 20 07:47:49 2008
From: crossbow1953 at earthlink.net (Urho Waltterinen)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:47:49 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Archery Weather Report
Message-ID: <F9BBB32147194546A3CF3B5F2311D9B2@Dellbert>

>From the Captain of Archers,

I see that it is raining now. Forecast is calling for showers off and on. (This doesn't help with the water main blowing out down the street.)

I will still be down at the practice site on time and will set up something if the rain goes away. Make your own call if you want to show up.

Meanwhile...

The Pennsic War begins next weekend. There will be no Barony-Marche archery practice on any of the Sundays during the war. We will resume on Sunday August 17th,

In service to the Barony-Marche,

Urho Waltterinen
mka Eugene Siren
(412) 247-4467
crossbow1953 at earthlink.net

"If sack and sugar be a fault, God help the wicked!
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From donnghaile at gmail.com  Mon Jul 21 08:30:18 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:30:18 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Brewing this Tuesday July 22
Message-ID: <29c224fe0807210530x2eb2869cm94e7fd27b1f3f52f@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,
I know that we're down to crunch time right before Pennsic, and that
goes double for the brewers.  We will have our nornal l meeting on
Tuesday the 22nd starting at 7:00 at my house in Observatory Hill,
email me if you need directions.  We have two batches of beer to
bottle for consumption at war.

Hope to see you there,
Brandubh

From greenstein at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 22 19:05:32 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:05:32 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] 2008 Known World Bardic Congress & Cooks Collegium
Message-ID: <000d01c8ec4f$71af6230$6755a8c0@vgg.local>

BMDL, meet Known World.  Known World, meet BMDL.

---------

The Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands in the Kingdom of ?thelmearc 
cordially invites you to the Fifth Known World Bardic Congress and Cooks' 
Collegium. If you have any interest in historical food or in the bardic 
arts, there will be something for you! Please join us for this weekend-long 
event at the Crestfield Camp and Conference Center at 195 Taggart Road, 
Slippery Rock, PA 16057 from November 7-10, 2008. The site opens at 4:00 pm 
on Friday November 7, 2008 and closes at 12:00 pm on Monday November 10, 
2008.



The site has six heated cabins that house twenty people each. There are two 
communal heated bathhouses, and bathrooms in each cabin. The site is 
handicap accessible; however, if you require handicap accessible overnight 
accommodations, you should preregister early to ensure that we can meet your 
needs. Space will be assigned on a first-come, first-served basis. Working 
animals only are welcome. Feast will be offered by M?stra Tomasia da 
Collivento on Saturday, and by Master Hogge de Watlyng (f/k/a Huen of 
Damebridge) on Sunday evening. The site is discretely damp.  Please notify 
M?stra Tomasia in advance of any food allergy concerns 
(maestratomasia at yahoo.com).  If you would like to help out with setup and/or 
breakdown, contact Philip at kwcb-setup at andrew.cmu.edu.  NMS, if applicable, 
will be charged at check-in. Preregistrations will be accepted (based on 
postmark) until October 31, 2008.  The following fees apply:



   Site fee - $21 US (includes lunch on Saturday and Sunday)

   Cabin space $64 US/2 nights or $87/three nights (breakfast included)

   Feast - $6.50 per night, Saturday and Sunday



Checks should be made payable to 'SCA Inc. - BMDL'



For reservations, please contact:



Maestra Giulietta da Venezia

m/k/a Diana Slivinska

198 West Prospect Avenue

Pittsburgh, PA  15205-2129

412-928-0187, no calls after 9:00 p.m. please!

kwcb-res at andrew.cmu.edu (email strongly preferred!)



Please feel free to contact the Event Stewards at kwcb-info at andrew.cmu.edu 
(email strongly preferred!), with any comments, questions or special needs.



Lady Katherine Sinclaire

m/k/a Cheryl Greenstein

8012 Westmoreland Ave.

Pittsburgh, PA 15218

412-244-1854, no calls after 9:00 pm, please!



Dame Margaret Makafee

m/k/a Gretchen Beck



We are currently recruiting teachers and taking requests for classes and 
other activities. This is your chance to suggest that class you always 
wanted to take, or to share your knowledge and passion with others.


Classes will run from 9:00 until 6:00 on Saturday and Sunday.  Current plans 
include a meet-and-greet, a cooks' library for perusal (both hard and 
digital copies of some items), a recording studio, bardic circles featuring 
some of the finest talent in the Known World, and tracks of classes that 
combine hands-on and information-based learning.  We are also planning 
competitions and challenges, with and without prizes; consider sponsoring 
one!  On the "bardic end" of things in particular, we plan to feature a wide 
selection of opportunities including basic how-tos, roundtable and panel 
discussions, coaching sessions, master classes, recording opportunities, 
bardic challenges and plenty of opportunities both to perform and to enjoy 
the performances of others. Please note that there are no planned children's 
activities, and that martial activities are not permitted by the site.



Additional event information may be found here: 
http://www.cooksandbards.aethelmearc.org/, including a continually updated 
class listing.


To volunteer or request a cooking class, please contact M?stra Tomasia da 
Collivento (cooking), THL Brandubh Donnghaile (brewing) and Master Michael 
Alewright (bardic), all at kwcb-classes at andrew.cmu.edu.  For each of the 
classes you would like to teach, please send the following information:



                Your name, and whether you have taught before

Class or activity name, with a brief narrative description

Type of class (e.g., lecture, roundtable, panel discussion, workshop, 
coaching session)

Maximum class size (if applicable)

Equipment and facilities required from the site

Equipment and supplies the student must supply

Materials cost to each student (if applicable)

Class time length

Whether you consider the level of the class to be basic, intermediate, or 
advanced



Class registration deadline is October 17, 2008.



In addition, we intend to publish the Proceedings of the event.  Please 
consider submitting a handout or article to this publication, no matter 
whether you intend to teach. All documents should be sent by October 17, 
2008 in Word format (.doc) either electronically to 
kwcb-proceedings at andrew.cmu.edu, or to Lady Katherine Sinclaire.



Directions: Only 15 minutes from Cooper's Lake!  Crestfield Camp is at 195 
Taggart Road, Slippery Rock, PA  16057.  Take your best route to Interstate 
79 in Western Pennsylvania, to the exit at mile marker 105 (Slippery Rock). 
Turn left onto PA-108/New Castle Road (watch your speed, this road is 
regularly patrolled).  After 1.5 miles, turn right onto Barron Road (these 
are country roads and come up suddenly, so keep a sharp eye).  Go 1.3 miles, 
and turn left on McCoy Road (the same road on the right is called Kelly 
Road).  Go 0.9 miles, and turn right on Taggart Road.  Crestfield Camp is 
0.1 mile from the turn.  The camp (and room for unloading) is on the left, 
the parking area is on the right.



>From Pittsburgh International Airport: Take PA-60 South (towards Pittsburgh) 
to Interstate 79 North, then follow the directions above.


From sorlaktheonly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 23:29:18 2008
From: sorlaktheonly at gmail.com (Sorlak)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:29:18 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Last minute music request
Message-ID: <4886A58E.3040603@gmail.com>

I tend to be quiet here, (gas to get to FP is crazy expensive) but my 
mother has a request she wanted me to pass on.

Some of you may even know my mother. If you go to Pennsic and then Giant 
Eagle, you may have seen a red head named Jo in the Hot Foods dept.

She has asked me for music I can put on cd to run throughout Pennsic. 
The cd player can hold up to five cds and I already have two. I need more.

If anyone has any sources I can use, I would love them.

Thanks,
Rayne

From rojosephine at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 23 09:37:43 2008
From: rojosephine at yahoo.com (Roseanna Di Tommaso)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Thrown Weapon Royal Round Scores & Pennsic Classes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6297.1216303684.5098.sca-bmdl@lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <768783.93953.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Greetings Throwers,

Our latest Royal Round scores are now posted at the following site:

http://twscores.aethelmearc.net/index.php

There will not be practice this weekend, or the following weekend due to Pennsic.  Please come up to the range at Pennsic. 

Participate in the Heckler's Tourney on Thursday, Aug. 7th at 4pm.  Come to throw or come to heckle.  There is also the Estrogen and Axes VI Competition on Tuesday morning, August 5th at 10 am. Come support the women of the BMDL.  

For a complete listing of classes and events at the Pennsic Thrown Weapons Range, please visit:

http://www.pennsicwar.org/penn37/MARTIAL/tw.html

If the green flag is raised, the range is open.  Support Thrown Weapons!

Have a save and happy war,

Porfinna hrogn Josepsdottir 



      

From donnghaile at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 14:12:26 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:12:26 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Brewing for War
Message-ID: <29c224fe0807231112l1315b3cegd6a964156c421567@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to the industirous work of those who came to brewing last night
we now have 2 cases each of a Wit and a Belgian Abbey Double for War.
The Abbey will be available for consumption at the BMDL Reception and
court on Sunday 8/3, and the Wit will be at the Kingdom Party on
Monday night 8/4.  Hope to see you all there.

Cheers,
Brandubh

From KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jul 23 15:28:51 2008
From: KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net (KaziBrionSCA)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:28:51 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT - bodice and calligraphy book for sale
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0807231112l1315b3cegd6a964156c421567@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29c224fe0807231112l1315b3cegd6a964156c421567@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3600E0F54ECF41F885C6365FA5C315CB@HomeOffice>

 
Hi everyone,

I have two items I'd like to pass on to those who will be able to use them:

- 1 bodice, reversible warm color tapestry/solid rust red, size 16/18/1X,
bought at Pennsic 2 years ago.  Very seldom worn.  Love it, but it doesn't
fit me anymore.  $35.

- Book of Hours, Duc de Berry, the really big edition, beautiful book.  $75
(that's what I paid in the Strand)

If interested, please email me privately at sppksp AT att.net, or call at
412-486-6859.

Best regards,

Kate (fka Kazi)


From frithar at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 23 16:02:56 2008
From: frithar at yahoo.com (laura lindsay)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Semi-OT: Pennsic storm question
In-Reply-To: <3600E0F54ECF41F885C6365FA5C315CB@HomeOffice>
Message-ID: <464286.91835.qm@web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Gentles:

I have a question regarding Pennsic protocol and storms.  I'll be working for both weeks of Pennsic, and will therefore not be staying up there every night.

(I'm in singles-camping with my children, not with the Barony)

I was hoping to go the first week, pop up my tent and we'd day-trip most of the time, but for the four separate days we can do an over-night.

The question is this: What's the best way to leave up the tent when I won't be there overnight?  Should we leave a few heavy things in it, undo the poles and let it more-or-less be collapsed, but for where it's staked down?

What about our canopy/dining tent?  Ought that to be taken down entirely?

I don't want the area to look entirely abandoned in our absence, as we'll still be using it during most days and several nights, and I'd like to hold onto our space; but I also don't want it flying up I-79 some night during a storm and I wouldn't be there to claim it/apologize for it/whatever.

It's a strange predicament...but I'm willing to bet I'm not the first to have this question! :D

Thanks to all who have advice!

Elsa


--- On Wed, 7/23/08, KaziBrionSCA <KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> From: KaziBrionSCA <KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: [SCA-BMDL] OT - bodice and calligraphy book for sale
> To: "'BMDL'" <Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 3:28 PM
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have two items I'd like to pass on to those who will
> be able to use them:
> 
> - 1 bodice, reversible warm color tapestry/solid rust red,
> size 16/18/1X,
> bought at Pennsic 2 years ago.  Very seldom worn.  Love it,
> but it doesn't
> fit me anymore.  $35.
> 
> - Book of Hours, Duc de Berry, the really big edition,
> beautiful book.  $75
> (that's what I paid in the Strand)
> 
> If interested, please email me privately at sppksp AT
> att.net, or call at
> 412-486-6859.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Kate (fka Kazi)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sca-bmdl mailing list
> Sca-bmdl at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
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From greenstein at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 23 16:16:15 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:16:15 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Semi-OT: Pennsic storm question
References: <464286.91835.qm@web63713.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c8ed01$04dece40$6755a8c0@vgg.local>

> The question is this: What's the best way to leave up the tent when I 
> won't be there overnight?  Should we leave a few heavy things in it, undo 
> the poles and let it more-or-less be collapsed, but for where it's staked 
> down?

Leave it fully set up and well-staked.  Heavy things in it are a plus. 
Leaving it partly collapsed sounds like a bad idea.  Even the most 
rain-resistant tent is porous; they work by *shedding* rain, and not by 
being impermeable (which is how you don't suffocate when you're inside). 
Leave a partly-collapsed tent in the rain, and odds are strong that water 
will puddle somewhere on it and either run or drip inside.

- Michael 


From rani23 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 18:28:42 2008
From: rani23 at gmail.com (Monica Gaudio)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:28:42 -0700
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Pennsic Airport Ride for Saturday, August 2nd
Message-ID: <439af41c0807231528x690116ady22957b5e931d773a@mail.gmail.com>

I know, I know...  Do forgive me. :)

His Royal Highness, Prince Uther of the West Kingdom (and possibly Sir
Brand) are arriving at the Pittsburgh Airport at 10AM on Middle
Saturday of Pennsic and His ride situation did not work out.

Is there anyone who is picking someone else at (or near) that time or
might be able to swing by and pick Him up? Currently, His Highness
most definitely needs a ride and Sir Brand may be accompanying him
(depends on an injury.)

I know this is last minute. Again, forgive me. :)

See you all soon,

Illadore

From caram at pitt.edu  Wed Jul 23 19:20:01 2008
From: caram at pitt.edu (Cara & Char)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:20:01 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] goodwill with Patrick Dowd
Message-ID: <002001c8ed1a$a1e45ed0$6400a8c0@Downstairs>

Greetings Good Gentles!  Our local Highland Park councilman, Patrick Dowd, was happy to receive our letter praising Urho and those who cleaned up the Washington Blvd site.  He left a long message on our machine, stating he lives nearby and often sees us practicing there.  He thanked those who did the cleanup and gave general statements of good will.  Thanks to those who continue to make our Barony look good!
In Service,
Ariella and Byron
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From lafauvelle at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 07:50:51 2008
From: lafauvelle at gmail.com (Margretha La Fauvelle)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:50:51 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] A&S Althing, Submissions reminder
Message-ID: <7d4a54220807250450v455855absad94f713559da923@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings unto the good gentles of the Barony!

As the time of War is finally upon us, I would like to remind you that
shortly afterwards, the deadline for submissions to the A&S edition of the
Althing will be announced. As its editor, I had expressed the wish that it
contained not only articles about the Arts and Sciences themselves, but also
of our experiences thereof through the Society. And what better opportunity
for such experiences than Pennsic?

So, if you end up attending an interesting class, a captivating performance,
or simply give a try to a new activity within the scope of the Arts and
Sciences, consider writing about it and send it to me vie email or hardcopy
in any of our populace meetings.

IS,
M.

-- 
Nothing stays hidden under the sun.
Lady Margretha La Fauvelle
mka Margarita Rankin
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From cellio at pobox.com  Wed Jul 30 08:54:23 2008
From: cellio at pobox.com (Monica Cellio)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:54:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Pennsic transport... (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.64.0807301252580.2882@callisto.jtan.com>

Please reply directly to him:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:30:44 -0400
From: Matthew Barr <mbarr at communityconnect.com>
To: cellio at pobox.com
Subject: Pennsic transport...

As my only Aethelmarc contact... Can I beg an answer of you?

Do you have any ideas for getting from the PIT airport to War, on friday 
morning, ~930am/10am.? Know any locals that may wish to acquire a bit extra for 
war?

I'm flying in with a friend, and trying to see if there are any better options 
than the Orbit shuttle, at ~ $95.

Matthew

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Matthew Barr
Community Connect  - Senior System Engineer
e:mbarr at communityconnect.com
c:347.682.8380
aim: matthewbarr1



From elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 10:15:57 2008
From: elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com (Elss_of_Augsburg)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Last Minute Garb Needed
Message-ID: <268567.13308.qm@web46207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Greetings to all --
?
My daughter, Maggie, has decided that she would like to come and sample the delights of Pennsic with me?this coming?Saturday and Sunday.
?
I can pull together enough camping stuff to provide for her, but what I don't have is any garb. I know we can purchase what we need (and lots more!), but she is on a limited budget, and if we can borrow a few things, that would be most helpful. She is about a size medium, or around a size 8 or 10.
?
I know that there is some loaner garb available in the Barony, and I would normally just ask to borrow that. But I don't know who might still be at home to read my request!
?
If anyone has a couple of extra tunics she can borrow, I will gladly pick them up or if it is not too much trouble, I can get them at Pennsic. Whatever is most convenient.
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Thank you in advance for any assistance --
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Elss
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MKA Rocky


      
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From charb at mail.connecttime.net  Thu Jul 31 19:03:30 2008
From: charb at mail.connecttime.net (Cara & Char)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:03:30 -0400
Subject: [SCA-BMDL] Baronial Reception Reminder
Message-ID: <000a01c8f361$a62ddd20$6500a8c0@CaraStudy>

Greetings all Good Gentles!  Please attend the Barony Marche of Debatable Lands Reception Sunday night, August 3rd, in Aethelmearc Royal from 5-7pm.  We hope to hold Baronial Court around 6pm, then Their Royal Majesties plan to elevate Hrefna to the Order of the Laurel.  Food donations can be coordinated through Odriana, who is camping with the Barony in N10, and alcoholic beverages are being arranged by Brandubh.  Darter will be there photographing our Barony, so wear your Pennsic best!  Please feel free to contribute, but there should be food and drink for all!
If you cannot attend or we do not see you, we wish you an enjoyable, interesting Pennsic!
In Service,
Byron and Ariella, Baron and Baroness
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