[SCA-AE] spelling question?

[Laurie Firth]

If my hazy memories of Latin grammar are correct, vivit/vivunt would be
*indicative* active (s/he lives and they live).  Vivat/vivant would be
3rd person singular and plural *subjunctive* active:  may s/he live and
may they live.

~Rose Elspeth

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:36:09 -0700 (PDT), "Clare Jackson"
<thecoribird at yahoo.com> said:
> Gyrth and Melisaunde may have introduced it to the SCA East Coast masses
> in 1978 but the Latin pre-dates them by a few....years - if you aren't
> good with grammer.
>  
> Amo, Amare - to love
> Amo,  Amas,  Amat,  Amamus  Amatus   Amant
> I love,   you love,   he/she/it loves,  we love,  you love (plural),  
> they love
> This is 1st conjugation Latin verb and seems to be what our shout is
> based on.
>  
> The trouble is, if I remember correctly, Vivo, Vivere - to live is a 3rd
> conjugation verb
> If we were doing the Latin right it would be
> Vivo,  Vivis, Vivit, Vivimus, Vivitis, Vivunt
>  
> As for the SCA history of the usage, I was taught that we shout Vivat for
> individuals and Vivant for groups of two or more back when AElfwine and
> Arastorm were on the Eastern throne and the Western Marche fought in the
> Mud.
>  
> And thank you all for the nightmares I will have tonight of high school
> Latin class with Sister Mary Paracleta.
>  
> cori
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/30/10, Karen Kasper <arianna_wyn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Karen Kasper <arianna_wyn at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] spelling question?
> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
> Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 8:42 AM
> 
> 
> I think your memory is fading a bit there, Fridrikr, because I KNOW you
> were around when it happened.  :-)
> Vivat/Vivant was introduced by Gyrth and Melisande as King and Queen of
> the East in the summer of 1978, which would have been A.S.... XII, I
> think? They gave explicit instruction that Vivat was to be used in the
> singular ("for Lady So-and-so, Vivat!") and Vivant in the plural ("for
> the cooks, Vivant!"). Of course, back then AEthelmearc was not even a
> twinkle in anyone's eye, but the lands that comprise AEthelmearc were
> indeed part of the East.
> Prior that that time, the cheers in court and at feasts were "Hip, hip,
> hurrah," which now sounds kinda ren-faire-y to me. :-)
> 
> Arianna
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/30/10, Thomas Ireland-Delfs <fridrikr at rochester.rr.com>
> wrote:
> Actually, Vivat has been used for as long as I have been in the SCA. 
> Vivant came into use somewhere i there (maybe 5 years ago?)
> 
> Fridrikr
> 
> 
> 
> 
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