[SCA-AE] New A&S Policy at Pennsic

Tue Jul 6 17:47:50 EDT 2010

its not an issue with being responsible for our kids, when my daughter was 14 she worked our family's farm, kept a 4.0 and participated in the SCA as well. she had and managed her own bank account and even paid her own phone bill and rent. (she got to rent the old "help house") the teens of today are more mature then 20 years ago they work harder in school and daily life. so why should they be treated like baby's if they want to go to a class without mom and dad. in fact by not letting them go out and seek these classes and activity's we are only teaching them to be scared little mopes who are terrified to step out on there own and shine. 

pyke

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From: Lady Giovanna da Napoli <greyraven315 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 1:59:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] New A&S Policy at Pennsic

I have read many, many comments regarding this "new" rule of parents/guardians being responsible, for their child/ren, at pennsic. I have a simply question; Why are parents trying to NOT be responsible for their child/ren? Isn't there a relatively recent Society Policy that states something like; At any and all SCA events Parents must be able to see and/or hear their minor child/ren? Doesn't pennsic fall under the definition of an SCA event? So what is the issue? It seems to me that parents want to have a vacation, at pennsic, and not have to worry or wonder what their child/ren are up to.

As for PA State Educational Laws, which I am very familiar with, an educator can actually refuse a potential student, IF They are NOT in compliance with any/all Stated Rules and/or Policies, of said educational forum.  

If a parent/guardian is not willing to follow the rules, then maybe the parent shouldn't bring their child/ren to pennsic until a better system is put into place regarding parental supervision.

As an FYI; PA State Child Protective Services do have an issue when parents are not supervising their child/ren, especially when out in public. They consider this to be a form of parental neglect.

Lady Giovanna Antonia da Napoli 

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From: Khristian Pyke <khristianpyke at ymail.com>
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Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 12:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] New A&S Policy at Pennsic

well to be completely accurate the law is any person over the age of 18 in the united states must carry photo id this is state law (all 50)  and part of the patriot act. and yes a bartender (or cigarette vendor) is required by law to ask for your id but i would love to be the lawyer who landed the case of an educator or the employee of an educator denying a person especially a child their constitutionally granted right to an education (though this only technically applies at pensic)  

----- Original Message ----
From: Gretchen Beck <grm at andrew.cmu.edu>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 12:29:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] New A&S Policy at Pennsic

--On Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:20 AM -0700 Khristian Pyke
<khristianpyke at ymail.com> wrote:

> well since the only persons who can demand id from a private citazen in
> the state of pa is a cop im not sure how anyone can inforce this rule.
> guesse theyll just have to take our word for it 

I think you are confusing demand with request. The police can demand to see
your id if you are driving, and can arrest you if you don't produce it.
OTOH, a bouncer or bartender or salesperson selling restricted material
can't arrest you, but can ask to see your id and refuse service if you do
not produce it (in fact may be legally required to do so). A school door
monitor may request id and refuse you entrance if you do not produce it.  

toodles, margaret
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