From ragnailtmarcuigham at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 07:32:38 2009 From: ragnailtmarcuigham at yahoo.com (Emily Bailey) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 04:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: UPDATED Hunter's Moon! Message-ID: <10149_1254396767_n91BWktb015560_907736.52322.qm@web59804.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ I have received my AEstel and there were some changes not received in printing to the event. There will be Thrown Weapons, tournament yet to be decided. There will be Youth Combat! Youth provided. We will be having a basket raffle, of items of sweet. Money to benefit Royality and the Shire. And lastly, as a reminder, we have plenty of seats available for the feast! And Merchants, we have lots of room available!! Thank you! See you all in a week's time! October 10th! Lady Ragnailt in Eich Equerry to Viscount Alexander Shire of Hartstone Kingdom of AEthelmearc Autocrat for Hunter's Moon 2009 From sarah.goslee at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 15:30:59 2009 From: sarah.goslee at gmail.com (Sarah Goslee) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:30:59 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: FFF textile event, Nov 20-22, Lamar PA Message-ID: <3001_1254425473_n91JVC93004346_efb536d50910011230u731c0f67ta61e2b57751f1cfb@mail.gmail.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings to all! The Shire of Nithgaard would like to invite you to the seventh annual Fiber, Fabric and Fighting event, to be held in Lamar, PA on the weekend of November 20-22. We welcome classes on any aspect of fiber and textile arts: spinning, weaving, felting dyeing, sprang, naalbinding, weaving, sewing, embroidery... and especially the ones I haven't thought of yet. The event details are available at http://www.stringpage.com/fff/fff7.html and I will post the list of classes to date shortly. If you are interested in teaching, we'd love to have you. If you are interested in teaching, please send me: - Your name (SCA and modern), and preferred titles (if any) - Home Kingdom - A brief biography - Title of class - Brief description - Class length, limits, fees, and special needs (if any) We make a special effort to save bunk space and feast seats for teachers, so please let me know if you'd like those. Although Nithgaard can't afford to let teachers waive the site fee, we do have a silent auction to raise money for travel expenses for at least out-of-Kingdom teachers (if not everyone from beyond the local area). It would make my life easier if you could tell me if you are carpooling with other teachers. And of course, donations for the auction are greatly appreciated. Phiala -- Sarah Goslee http://www.stringpage.com From joy1teacher at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 20:31:00 2009 From: joy1teacher at yahoo.com (Joy Woofter) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Siege of Glengary Lost and Found Message-ID: <23370_1254443469_n920V8Qa028589_66786.77889.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ 1~? Glass bowl 1 ~ Green ceramic bowl 1 ~ Black and yellow hockey glove- KOHO 1 ~ White satchel bag - with Keys on a purple clip and large mettle thing Joy1teacher at yahoo.com - to claim items ~Lady Margarita de' Siena?? (Joy) La tristezza ama qualcuno che non si preoccupa From paul.placeway at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 22:01:08 2009 From: paul.placeway at gmail.com (Paul Placeway) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:01:08 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Sad news from Caid [Fwd: Kolfinna Kottr] Message-ID: <29687_1254448877_n9221Hkp012106_1bce1bdf0910011901t34bac847rbdb4a27f26eecad6@mail.gmail.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Sad news for those who might have known or met Kolfinna; I will miss her greatly. ??--Tofi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: augustinevonfreiburg Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:26 PM Subject: [Lyondemere] Kolfinna Kottr To: Lyondemere at yahoogroups.com Please cross post: It is with deep regret and much sorrow that after getting permission from Sven, I pass on that Duchess Kolfinna will loose her brave fight with H1N1 today, October 1st, 2009. We all feel a great loss but Kolfinna's family asks that her friends refrain from coming up to the hospital. There will be a memorial at Great Western War and there will be more information on that and final arrangements posted on the website later http://www.kolfinna.sca-caid.org/ Thank you Ritter Augustine von Freiburg From sveter at verizon.net Fri Oct 2 01:16:59 2009 From: sveter at verizon.net (SuzanneV) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:16:59 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] O/T AE artist to appear on Martha Stewart. Message-ID: <30205_1254460630_n925H9ob027864_ha42cb+p9n8@eGroups.com> Meredith the Maskmaker will appear *live* on the Martha Stewart show this coming Wednesday, October, 7th. She'll demonstrate an embellished mask alongside Martha! Check your local listings for show time and join me in wishing her good luck! Submitted with permission, Amanda Elandris of Kirkby Lonsdale former AE resident From tessathehuntress at comcast.net Fri Oct 2 08:00:51 2009 From: tessathehuntress at comcast.net (tessathehuntress at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Sad news from Caid [Fwd: Kolfinna Kottr] In-Reply-To: <29687_1254448877_n9221Hkp012106_1bce1bdf0910011901t34bac847rbdb4a27f26eecad6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2641_1254484860_n92C10l0003145_1265350321.10096701254484851605.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I got to meet and work with her, when we were both deputies to the SEM, Duke Eringlen.? I considered her a friend and one of the hardest working people I know.? She was a Knight and a strong fighter, so losing her to this was a shock to me.? I learned about it yesterday when I was at work.? I knew she was sick and had been in the hospital. I wrongly assumed she would be fine once her 02 numbers got up, because I know?she was a fighter. I believe her loss should be a sign to all of our fighters (who tend to ignore pain and discomfort). When it comes to H1N1, you can't ignore your symptoms.? All of us need to follow up, early on when we show the symptoms of H1N1.? It can take down the strongest of us, especially those fo us who are used to enduring pain or having the flu.? I'm not finding fault with Kolfinna.? Personally, I had no idea that it could take out the strongest amongst us. I believe many of us, push ourselves, especially for others.? We all need to take care of ourselves, too.? I don't want to lose more friends this year.? Please educate yourself on the symptoms of H1N1 and have yourself checked out when you have those symptoms, even if this is a yearly thing for you.? This year, it could be different. It could be H1N1 and catching it early can make a difference. Thanks for posting this Tofi. Tessa Sad news for those who might have known or met Kolfinna; I will miss her greatly. ??--Tofi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: augustinevonfreiburg Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:26 PM Subject: [Lyondemere] Kolfinna Kottr To: Lyondemere at yahoogroups.com Please cross post: It is with deep regret and much sorrow that after getting permission from Sven, I pass on that Duchess Kolfinna will loose her brave fight with H1N1 today, October 1st, 2009. We all feel a great loss but Kolfinna's family asks that her friends refrain from coming up to the hospital. There will be a memorial at Great Western War and there will be more information on that and final arrangements posted on the website later http://www.kolfinna.sca-caid.org/ Thank you Ritter Augustine von Freiburg From las52 at cornell.edu Fri Oct 2 10:26:00 2009 From: las52 at cornell.edu (Lois A. Swales) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: FFF textile event, Nov 20-22, Lamar PA In-Reply-To: <3001_1254425473_n91JVC93004346_efb536d50910011230u731c0f67ta61e2b5775 1f1cfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <3001_1254425473_n91JVC93004346_efb536d50910011230u731c0f67ta61e2b57751f1cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16462_1254493572_n92EQBui010871_49505.67.241.40.186.1254493560.squirrel@webmail.cornell.edu> HI, Phiala: Sometime in the next two days a more complete description, but I would enjoy teaching the Knobs and Knopfs class I taught at Pennsic - which is mainly Turkish knots made with tiny threads, not rope. Rhiannon PS: I bet your trip to speak in Europe was fun. Hope you talk about it at FFand F. > Keywords: AEnnouncements > ________________________________________________________________________ > Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. > Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org > or directly to the person making the announcement. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Greetings to all! > > The Shire of Nithgaard would like to invite you to the seventh annual > Fiber, Fabric and Fighting event, to be held in Lamar, PA on the weekend > of November 20-22. We welcome classes on any aspect of fiber and > textile arts: spinning, weaving, felting dyeing, sprang, naalbinding, > weaving, > sewing, embroidery... and especially the ones I haven't thought of > yet. > > The event details are available at http://www.stringpage.com/fff/fff7.html > and I will post the list of classes to date shortly. If you are interested > in teaching, we'd love to have you. > > If you are interested in teaching, please send me: > - Your name (SCA and modern), and preferred titles (if any) > - Home Kingdom > - A brief biography > - Title of class > - Brief description > - Class length, limits, fees, and special needs (if any) > > We make a special effort to save bunk space and feast seats for > teachers, so please let me know if you'd like those. Although > Nithgaard can't afford to let teachers waive the site fee, we do have > a silent auction to raise money for travel expenses for at least > out-of-Kingdom teachers (if not everyone from beyond the local area). > It would make my life easier if you could tell me if you are > carpooling with other teachers. And of course, donations for the > auction are greatly appreciated. > > Phiala > -- > Sarah Goslee > http://www.stringpage.com > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Lois Swales Ph: 607-255-0420 Fax: 607-255-6683 161 Emerson Hall Dept. of Plant Breeding Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853-1901 From ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 20:46:08 2009 From: ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com (kathy kemmish) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:46:08 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] O/T AE artist to appear on Martha Stewart. In-Reply-To: <30205_1254460630_n925H9ob027864_ha42cb+p9n8@eGroups.com> References: <30205_1254460630_n925H9ob027864_ha42cb+p9n8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <27268_1254530784_n930kNMw008991_540ddc010910021746p3ff14995jf634422834bdf807@mail.gmail.com> I own two of her masks, unfortunately, I will be at work and won't be able to see this :( On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 1:16 AM, SuzanneV wrote: > Meredith the Maskmaker will appear *live* on the Martha Stewart show this > coming Wednesday, October, 7th. She'll demonstrate an embellished mask > alongside Martha! > > Check your local listings for show time and join me in wishing her good > luck! > > Submitted with permission, > Amanda Elandris of Kirkby Lonsdale > former AE resident > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- Lady Kathryn MacLuing, OK Onyx Pursuivant Barony of Blackstone Mountain From cat.the.elf at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 21:41:30 2009 From: cat.the.elf at gmail.com (Linda Needham) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:41:30 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] O/T AE artist to appear on Martha Stewart. In-Reply-To: <30205_1254460630_n925H9ob027864_ha42cb+p9n8@eGroups.com> References: <30205_1254460630_n925H9ob027864_ha42cb+p9n8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <32717_1254534105_n931fiVj015196_c58334fb0910021841v56b6af0cl59d1cecba50d4dbf@mail.gmail.com> If someone can help me with channel information (I have Verizon FIOS), I would love to record it. Cat On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 1:16 AM, SuzanneV wrote: > Meredith the Maskmaker will appear *live* on the Martha Stewart show this > coming Wednesday, October, 7th. She'll demonstrate an embellished mask > alongside Martha! > > Check your local listings for show time and join me in wishing her good > luck! > > Submitted with permission, > Amanda Elandris of Kirkby Lonsdale > former AE resident > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- Linda Needham Caitriona inghean Ui Bhraonain, Better known as Cat Hopeless Name Geek Fiber Fiend From jenn.strobel at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 21:15:17 2009 From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:15:17 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Artisan of the Month - October 2009 - Lord Magnus Jager Message-ID: <9436_1254618927_n941FQDa017505_2ae6b4a90910031815m1ef7f908wada1baa338e82095@mail.gmail.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ To the Kingdom of AEthelmearc does Odriana vander Brugghe bid greetings. Lord Magnus Jager is our Artisan of the Month for September. Please visit http://www.aeans.org/artisans/aotm/aotm/aotm.htm to learn more about this talented and diverse artist. If you know someone that should be recognized as the Artisan of the Month, please nominate them. Anyone can be nominated, regardless of award. Send email to Odriana vander Brugghe (jenn.strobel at gmail.com) with the following information: 1. The person's SCA name. 2. The person's Modern name. 3. Tell me a bit about their particular area of research. 4. Your name. 5. Contact information for both you and your nominee. Written this third day of October in the year two thousand and nine in the North Hills of the most remarkable Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands in the third year of the reign of the Boy Mayor, Luke. OVB -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." -Frank Zappa From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 4 08:37:16 2009 From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:37:16 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds Message-ID: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> Fellow AEthelmearcians, As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be biting us. I have always figured that if someone cancels before the deadline when I have to tell the cook how many are eating, then all is refunded, no issue. We have always stated that if one cancels after that, we "may" refund the feast dollars, if we can resell the spot. In reality, even if we have had 20 people cancel and only resold 16 spots, we have refunded the money, because we aren't out to make a billion dollars of profit on our friends, and it is close enough. But now it seems to be getting out of hand. We had a sold out feast for 104 and ended up sitting about 82 because people just didn't show up. People on the wait list never came back to check if they got a spot. And others gave up and made other plans because we said we were sold out. I have not yet deposited the checks for Harvest Raid - that happens tomorrow - so it isn't a question of "how much do I write the refund check for" - it is "do I even cash the check". (Unfortunately, I don't know how to legally cash only the feast portion of their check!) Here are the situations I have: - people who told me a few days ahead they weren't coming. (I have pulled the check and don't plan to cash it). - people who reserved for 7 people and 4 showed up. (I plan to cash the check and write some refunds) - people who told the gate that day someone weren't coming - people who just never showed up. I would ask you: what does your group do in these situations? Or do you cash the checks earlier to have money for the event? Does it mean anything to have "only paid reservations count" if people still believe they are not making a committment? If you have recently reserved for an event - what are your refund expectations? Thank you for your thoughts. Dorinda From rapierlady at earthlink.net Sun Oct 4 08:56:56 2009 From: rapierlady at earthlink.net (Wendy Colbert) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:56:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds Message-ID: <3270_1254661023_n94Cv20F025016_902465.1254661016603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Personally, If I have sent in a reservation, and I call and cancell before the deadline, it would be nice to get a refund, If I show up at the event and can't stay for the feast I paid for, IF the group is able to resell my space, a refund would be nice but mostly it wouldn't matter to me.If the group isn't able to resell my space then I don't expect anything back. If I no call no show, I expect the group should keep the money as they spent money for food for me in good faith that I would be present to eat it. Irene -----Original Message----- >From: Dorinda Courtine-White >Sent: Oct 4, 2009 8:37 AM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds > >Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be biting us. Come visit my esty shop StringsNstrands StringsNstrands.etsy.com for fiber goodies and handcrafted Montessori materials From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Sun Oct 4 09:09:23 2009 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:09:23 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <3270_1254661023_n94Cv20F025016_902465.1254661016603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3270_1254661023_n94Cv20F025016_902465.1254661016603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5945_1254661778_n94D9brV000642_C7B49D0E12A66F449112CCF2BC4933B10AC36955@USA0300MS01.na.xerox.net> What Irene said : ) Orianna -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.andrew.cmu. edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.and rew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Wendy Colbert Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:57 AM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds Personally, If I have sent in a reservation, and I call and cancell before the deadline, it would be nice to get a refund, If I show up at the event and can't stay for the feast I paid for, IF the group is able to resell my space, a refund would be nice but mostly it wouldn't matter to me.If the group isn't able to resell my space then I don't expect anything back. If I no call no show, I expect the group should keep the money as they spent money for food for me in good faith that I would be present to eat it. Irene -----Original Message----- >From: Dorinda Courtine-White >Sent: Oct 4, 2009 8:37 AM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds > >Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be biting us. Come visit my esty shop StringsNstrands StringsNstrands.etsy.com for fiber goodies and handcrafted Montessori materials ________________________________________________________________________ _ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. ________________________________________________________________________ _ From herantik at penn.com Sun Oct 4 09:35:40 2009 From: herantik at penn.com (Rosita P. Pisarchick) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:35:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds Message-ID: <24869_1254663348_n94DZlY8011210_380-22009100413354046@penn.com> I am not speaking as a group, shire or about what is customary for certain groups. I am just speaking for myself as a person reserving a feast space or merchant space and paying for it beforehand. The groups policy needs to be defined. There needs to be a cut-off date to reserve the feast, then there needs to be a cut-off date for available refunds if I cancel my reservation. That is all needed. There is no need for ifs and buts like 'if we can resell your ticket, you will be issued a refund'. Once I reserve and pre-pay for the feast, if ever I cancel before the cut-off date, I expect a refund. If I cancel after the cut-off date or if i do not show up, I do not expect or ask for a refund. This is exactly the same as merchant spaces at events. Policies need to be cut and dried and not open to interpretation and what could be seen as favoritism. Hope this helps Hieronyma Holvoet van Dadizele. > [Original Message] > From: Dorinda Courtine-White > To: > Date: 10/4/2009 8:37:16 AM > Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds > > Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be biting us. I have always figured that if someone cancels before the deadline when I have to tell the cook how many are eating, then all is refunded, no issue. We have always stated that if one cancels after that, we "may" refund the feast dollars, if we can resell the spot. In reality, even if we have had 20 people cancel and only resold 16 spots, we have refunded the money, because we aren't out to make a billion dollars of profit on our friends, and it is close enough. But now it seems to be getting out of hand. We had a sold out feast for 104 and ended up sitting about 82 because people just didn't show up. People on the wait list never came back to check if they got a spot. And others gave up and made other plans because we said we were ! > sold out. > > I have not yet deposited the checks for Harvest Raid - that happens tomorrow - so it isn't a question of "how much do I write the refund check for" - it is "do I even cash the check". (Unfortunately, I don't know how to legally cash only the feast portion of their check!) Here are the situations I have: > > - people who told me a few days ahead they weren't coming. (I have pulled the check and don't plan to cash it). > > - people who reserved for 7 people and 4 showed up. (I plan to cash the check and write some refunds) > > - people who told the gate that day someone weren't coming > > - people who just never showed up. > > > I would ask you: what does your group do in these situations? Or do you cash the checks earlier to have money for the event? Does it mean anything to have "only paid reservations count" if people still believe they are not making a committment? > > If you have recently reserved for an event - what are your refund expectations? > > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > Dorinda > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From joy1teacher at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 09:40:20 2009 From: joy1teacher at yahoo.com (Joy Woofter) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <3270_1254661023_n94Cv20F025016_902465.1254661016603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20137_1254663627_n94DeQZ6012710_24064.75560.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I "plan" to go to many events but there are times (with recent family issues) that i am unable to attend. Personally I consider it a donation to the Shire or Barony. If i go and run into friends, or bring more people with me, that can not get feast seats, I do Not ask for my feast money back. I let them know that they have another spot because i am not staying and i go eat with friends. I know that some places (because of previous statement) require written refund request before the event and none after or during the event. None of us in society are out to make a large prophet, but i have been at TOO many events where if the 5 people who pre-reged and didn't make it came and asked for a refund, that event would have gone under... and others where they would have just added to the "red." When i pre-reg, i consider that money gone, and if unable to attend i consider it a "gift" that is helping my friends and family. YIS, (Rambling Thoughts and all) ~Lady Margarita de' Siena?? La tristezza ama qualcuno che non si preoccupa --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Wendy Colbert wrote: From: Wendy Colbert Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:56 AM Personally, If I have sent in a reservation, and I call and cancell before the deadline, it would be nice to get a refund, If I show up at the event and can't stay for the feast I paid for, IF the group is able to resell my space, a refund would be nice but mostly it wouldn't matter to me.If the group isn't able to resell my space then I don't expect anything back. If I no call no show, I expect the group should keep the money as they spent money for food for me in good faith that I would be present to eat it. Irene -----Original Message----- >From: Dorinda Courtine-White >Sent: Oct 4, 2009 8:37 AM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds > >Fellow AEthelmearcians, > >? ? As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear?? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be biting us. Come visit my esty shop StringsNstrands? StringsNstrands.etsy.com for fiber goodies and handcrafted Montessori materials _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . 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I cannot find information about this via Google, and thought one of you might know something more. -george From thlkat at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 11:40:11 2009 From: thlkat at yahoo.com (Karen Macek) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <20137_1254663627_n94DeQZ6012710_24064.75560.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20137_1254663627_n94DeQZ6012710_24064.75560.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4059_1254670820_n94FeJ8x010527_129784.66888.qm@web111608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Our Barony's policies are pretty linient.? This is not automatic, requests need to be asked for.? No one should consider a refund an automatic assumption on the part of the hosting group because many people will not ask for a return of their funds.? That said, if we can sell the seat we refund the feast cost.? If we make a profit on the event, we refund any requests for no shows as well. If we don't have to pay for it, we can refund it.? IE, we have an event with horses and have to pay per stall AFTER the event.? If you reserve a stall and don't use it, we give the money back because we didn't have to fork it out. This is only the custom for our group.? I can't say what is used as a policy for anywhere else. YIS, THL Kateryna ty Isaf Baronial Exchequer Endless Hills Regional Exchequer Pennsylvania From smithing_chick at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 12:25:13 2009 From: smithing_chick at yahoo.com (sharon smith) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> References: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> Message-ID: <26470_1254673523_n94GPMqW026737_85433.7950.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings, Your Grace. My policy when I've autocrated is that if they cancel before the event, they can get a refund. If they cancel a feast reservation the day of, then they only get a refund if we sell it as the food is already purchased with the expectation they'd be there. (This doesn't often happen with us as our feasts don't generally sell out.) No-shows do not get a refund at all. I only refund if the person specifically requests it. Generally speaking, most people do *not* expect to get it back & quite a few will say that the shire should keep it as a donation. Hope that helps! Morwenna ni Meachair (the one with the hammers) Number #1 Forge Rule-- Don't Touch the Hot Part! ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dorinda Courtine-White > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Sent: Sun, October 4, 2009 8:37:16 AM > Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds > > Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what > other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear? We > have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be > biting us. From odlahorde at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 12:43:19 2009 From: odlahorde at yahoo.com (Rob Baldassano) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <26470_1254673523_n94GPMqW026737_85433.7950.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> <26470_1254673523_n94GPMqW026737_85433.7950.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17371_1254674609_n94GhR22029034_141277.85393.qm@web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Events that I have gone to in other areas do this to help handle feast seat bingo. 1) they determine what their normal feast size is. for example, let's say that they got normally 48 seats filled. The next feast would be set for 48 seats, unless it was a royal progress, in which case, they would try to find places that could handle larger crowds for feast. 2) they advertise the normal feast size -- 48 in the example above. 3) If the feast seats sell out, and there is still time to adjust up, they open up "additional feast tables" even though they have already planned for it. This is usually handled via a notice through the Kingdom email list stating "we have sold out of our regular feast seats, due to high demand an additional ## seats have been opened up. Please contact the reservationist immediately if you wish a feast seat" 4) If the feast seats of the "additional tables" are no shows, then the seats are "refundable" but not automatically so. If however the "additional feast seats" are not sold, then there is no refunable costs for the feast. 5) the checks are deposited, as quickly as possible, so that everyone sees that their registration is received. 6) At the end of the event, The no-show seats are counted as "possibly expenses" against the event, for a short period. In one case, the autocrat and head cook said "let's give people 2 days, if they don't request the refunds, it was a donation" Once possible expenses are handled, then the books are closed out. The events where this was utilized, there was a statement of "no refunds on feast seats unless feast is sold out", in the newsletter event copy. --Eirik ________________________________ Herre Eirik Haarfager Goransson / Rob Baldassano Member, Barony of Endless Hills; Marshal - at Large & Deputy Baronial Marshal; House Odlahorde; Viking ; VROC #5029 (Tigger) Web Administrator - AEthelmearc Kingdom Chatelaine Brewing Guildmaster - Barony Endless Hills ---------------------------- Come see our online store, now available at: http://shop.dracowolf.com =============== ________________________________ From: sharon smith To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Sun, October 4, 2009 12:25:13 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds Greetings, Your Grace. My policy when I've autocrated is that if they cancel before the event, they can get a refund. If they cancel a feast reservation the day of, then they only get a refund if we sell it as the food is already purchased with the expectation they'd be there. (This doesn't often happen with us as our feasts don't generally sell out.) No-shows do not get a refund at all. I only refund if the person specifically requests it. Generally speaking, most people do *not* expect to get it back & quite a few will say that the shire should keep it as a donation. Hope that helps! Morwenna ni Meachair (the one with the hammers) Number #1 Forge Rule-- Don't Touch the Hot Part! ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dorinda Courtine-White > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Sent: Sun, October 4, 2009 8:37:16 AM > Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds > > Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what > other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear? We > have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be > biting us. _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From celticbardess at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 12:58:32 2009 From: celticbardess at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9adaoin_ingen_Chanac=E1in?=) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> Message-ID: <21573_1254675523_n94GwgAp032760_394439.1491.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> While I currently hail from Delftwood, I am actually not familiar with the barony's refund policies. However, I do know that in the canton in which I began playing with the SCA, the refund policy states that a refund will only be given if the event makes a profit. All refunds are issues only after the exchequer tallies everything up, and the event is over and done with. Otherwise, it's kind of like purchasing a ticket to a play - you generally lose your opportunity and your money if you miss it.? I, personally, don't see a problem with offering a speedier refund if someone were to request one prior to the pre-reg deadline. Especially if there is someone else ready to fill the spot. YIS,Eadaoin Following my Fish, Keirin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would you kill him in his bed? Thrust a dagger through his head? I would not, could not, kill the King. I could not do that evil thing. I would not wed this girl, you see. Now get her to a nunnery. ~ Green Eggs and Hamlet ~ --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Dorinda Courtine-White wrote: From: Dorinda Courtine-White Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:37 AM Fellow AEthelmearcians, ? ? As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear?? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be biting us.? I have always figured that if someone cancels before the deadline when I have to tell the cook how many are eating, then all is refunded, no issue.? We have always stated that if one cancels after that, we "may" refund the feast dollars, if we can resell the spot.? In reality, even if we have had 20 people cancel and only resold 16 spots, we have refunded the money, because we aren't out to make a billion dollars of profit on our friends, and it is close enough.? But now it seems to be getting out of hand.? We had a sold out feast for 104 and ended up sitting about 82 because people just didn't show up.? People on the wait list never came back to check if they got a spot.? And others gave up and made other plans because we said we were ! sold out. I have not yet deposited the checks for Harvest Raid - that happens tomorrow - so it isn't a question of "how much do I write the refund check for" - it is "do I even cash the check".? (Unfortunately, I don't know how to legally cash only the feast portion of their check!)? Here are the situations I have: - people who told me a few days ahead they weren't coming.? (I have pulled the check and don't plan to cash it). - people who reserved for 7 people and 4 showed up.? (I plan to cash the check and write some refunds) - people who told the gate that day someone weren't coming - people who just never showed up. I would ask you:? what does your group do in these situations?? Or do you cash the checks earlier to have money for the event?? Does it mean anything to have "only paid reservations count" if people still believe they are not making a committment?? If you have recently reserved for an event - what are your refund expectations? Thank you for your thoughts. Dorinda _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From cellio at pobox.com Sun Oct 4 13:46:22 2009 From: cellio at pobox.com (Monica Cellio) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> References: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> Message-ID: <21588_1254678392_n94HkVIJ022895_Pine.BSO.4.64.0910041727170.14824@callisto.jtan.com> I don't know if my barony has a policy on this. (It's been a while since I've autocratted.) As an autocrat, I gave refunds if asked before the money had been spent (or, in the case of feast fees, if we could resell). No-shows never got a refund, even if the event made money, because we still spent money on them. As an attendee, I figure once I've sent the check that money's gone; if I decide at the last minute not to go or if weather prevents me or some such, it's a donation to the group. I'll let the reservationist know so the feast spot can be given to someone else, but that's more about not wasting food than about getting my money back. (In fact, I'd rather give it away than do the resell-refund dance.) She'erah From mistresscynthia at verizon.net Sun Oct 4 13:57:18 2009 From: mistresscynthia at verizon.net (mistresscynthia at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:57:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds Message-ID: <25925_1254679048_n94HvRY5024342_155519662.361560.1254679038343.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Well said. Please keep in mind that whatever a group does or does not due must be defined in their Financial Policies and just as important must be included within the event announcement. Cynthia On Oct 4, 2009, Rosita P. Pisarchick wrote: I am not speaking as a group, shire or about what is customary for certain groups. I am just speaking for myself as a person reserving a feast space or merchant space and paying for it beforehand. The groups policy needs to be defined. There needs to be a cut-off date to reserve the feast, then there needs to be a cut-off date for available refunds if I cancel my reservation. That is all needed. There is no need for ifs and buts like 'if we can resell your ticket, you will be issued a refund'. Once I reserve and pre-pay for the feast, if ever I cancel before the cut-off date, I expect a refund. If I cancel after the cut-off date or if i do not show up, I do not expect or ask for a refund. This is exactly the same as merchant spaces at events. Policies need to be cut and dried and not open to interpretation and what could be seen as favoritism. Hope this helps Hieronyma Holvoet van Dadizele. > [Original Message] > From: Dorinda Courtine-White > To: > Date: 10/4/2009 8:37:16 AM > Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds > > Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be biting us. I have always figured that if someone cancels before the deadline when I have to tell the cook how many are eating, then all is refunded, no issue. We have always stated that if one cancels after that, we "may" refund the feast dollars, if we can resell the spot. In reality, even if we have had 20 people cancel and only resold 16 spots, we have refunded the money, because we aren't out to make a billion dollars of profit on our friends, and it is close enough. But now it seems to be getting out of hand. We had a sold out feast for 104 and ended up sitting about 82 because people just didn't show up. People on the wait list never came back to check if they got a spot. And others gave up and made other plans because we said we were ! > sold out. > > I have not yet deposited the checks for Harvest Raid - that happens tomorrow - so it isn't a question of "how much do I write the refund check for" - it is "do I even cash the check". (Unfortunately, I don't know how to legally cash only the feast portion of their check!) Here are the situations I have: > > - people who told me a few days ahead they weren't coming. (I have pulled the check and don't plan to cash it). > > - people who reserved for 7 people and 4 showed up. (I plan to cash the check and write some refunds) > > - people who told the gate that day someone weren't coming > > - people who just never showed up. > > > I would ask you: what does your group do in these situations? Or do you cash the checks earlier to have money for the event? Does it mean anything to have "only paid reservations count" if people still believe they are not making a committment? > > If you have recently reserved for an event - what are your refund expectations? > > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > Dorinda > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From olafandaine at twcny.rr.com Sun Oct 4 15:01:11 2009 From: olafandaine at twcny.rr.com (Kristin & Rick Reichert) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:01:11 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Dayshades for Crown Tournament Message-ID: <5701_1254682882_n94J1LMS013512_87DC94DD-D329-461C-8575-A51880B72B41@twcny.rr.com> Reminder: October 14th is fast approaching! If you have not done so, please get me your dayshade measurements. See below!! In Service, Aine The gracious lady Aine inghean Riocard has offered to be the liaison for combatants and their consorts who will be competing at AEthelmearc Crown Tourney, to be held on October 17, in the Shire of Coppertree, in Little Falls, NY. Please forward your dayshade measurements to Lady Aine at olafandaine at twcny.rr.com , or phone 315-677-3254, by October 14, and she shall reserve space for you on the list field at Crown Tourney. If you do not send her your information, we cannot guarantee you a prime space. Please also pre-register for the event by that date, so that we can be sure to hold your space. Thank you! From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 4 15:56:51 2009 From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:56:51 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Another question on group event policies References: <25925_1254679048_n94HvRY5024342_155519662.361560.1254679038343.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5820_1254686218_n94Juvjb007185_C9D8000D864947F99E759E7B745BD4A3@D32K5JC1> Since you have all been so helpful, let me ask another question: how do you handle "transfers". E.g. I reserve for four people, but it turns out John has to work so I ask if I can bring Mary in his place. OK? We have not always allowed this as if we have a waiting list for feast, that means that Mary jumps ahead of people who have to wait because they aren't lucky enough to know someone. Does your group allow transfers? Thanks, Dorinda From torvaldr at skaldic.com Sun Oct 4 16:15:28 2009 From: torvaldr at skaldic.com (Torvaldr) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:15:28 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] West Kingdom Crown results and a Surprise Message-ID: <5815_1254687318_n94KFHi0016388_280CC91F02414435A181A7344EFC46C9@TorvaldrPC> Duke Uther wins in 3 boughts for the final againt Lord Janos and then.... Forwarded by Torvaldr Torgarson Okay, let's give the heralds point of view: First, huzzah for both Gunther and Brand McClellan for facing Uther and giving the West memorable battles that kept all of us talking long after they were finally finished (Gunther and Uther in the 7th round, the fight lasted almost 15 minutes and all of it was glorious!). Janos and Uther in finals - Janos made an outstanding effort, but went down after the third bout. So, it's going to be a field investiture as Uther usually prefers. We all run onto the field to witness. After Uther is crowned with the wreath, he stands and takes the circle of roses to present to Kara. He starts talking about their preparations for Crown, and how everything in life runs in circles and now it comes to the ring of roses - he stops, takes a deep breath and says "K?ra B?reksd?ttir, well you marry me?" The look of shock and joy on her face was absolutely priceless. He lifts her to feet and hugs her, while everybody starts clapping and cheering. We hear a loud voice say (I think it was Jade), "Wait, has she said yes?" Kara stops hugging and faces the crowd, and then nods her head and says "yes", then goes back to hugging and kissing Uther. Not a dry eye on the whole field! Caoilinn Rose Maddox From odlahorde at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 16:42:58 2009 From: odlahorde at yahoo.com (Rob Baldassano) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Another question on group event policies In-Reply-To: <5820_1254686218_n94Juvjb007185_C9D8000D864947F99E759E7B745BD4A3@D32K5JC1> References: <25925_1254679048_n94HvRY5024342_155519662.361560.1254679038343.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> <5820_1254686218_n94Juvjb007185_C9D8000D864947F99E759E7B745BD4A3@D32K5JC1> Message-ID: <30600_1254688988_n94Kh7GJ015534_863853.21684.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the tickets are purchased in a lot, then the owner of the lot of tickets owns the tickets. plain and simple. They can swap tickets out as much as they want to. It's not like we require photo id. It's not like we are the FAA. --Eirik ________________________________ Herre Eirik Haarfager Goransson / Rob Baldassano Member, Barony of Endless Hills; Marshal - at Large & Deputy Baronial Marshal; House Odlahorde; Viking ; VROC #5029 (Tigger) Web Administrator - AEthelmearc Kingdom Chatelaine Brewing Guildmaster - Barony Endless Hills ---------------------------- Come see our online store, now available at: http://shop.dracowolf.com =============== ________________________________ From: Dorinda Courtine-White To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Sun, October 4, 2009 3:56:51 PM Subject: [SCA-AE] Another question on group event policies Since you have all been so helpful, let me ask another question: how do you handle "transfers". E.g. I reserve for four people, but it turns out John has to work so I ask if I can bring Mary in his place. OK? We have not always allowed this as if we have a waiting list for feast, that means that Mary jumps ahead of people who have to wait because they aren't lucky enough to know someone. Does your group allow transfers? Thanks, Dorinda _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From taranach at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 18:10:45 2009 From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:10:45 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> References: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> Message-ID: <17617_1254694303_n94MBg03002846_be53fda50910041510w137f3dc7g90c25c8f5e4bdaef@mail.gmail.com> I have answered inline preceded by # Melior abolesco in nostrum pedis quam ad servio in nostrum genua On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Dorinda Courtine-White wrote: > Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > ? ?As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or do not appear? ?We have always had a pretty generous refund policy here, and it appears to be biting us. ?I have always figured that if someone cancels before the deadline when I have to tell the cook how many are eating, then all is refunded, no issue. ?We have always stated that if one cancels after that, we "may" refund the feast dollars, if we can resell the spot. ?In reality, even if we have had 20 people cancel and only resold 16 spots, we have refunded the money, because we aren't out to make a billion dollars of profit on our friends, and it is close enough. ?But now it seems to be getting out of hand. ?We had a sold out feast for 104 and ended up sitting about 82 because people just didn't show up. ?People on the wait list never came back to check if they got a spot. ?And others gave up and made other plans because we said we were ! > ?sold out. > > I have not yet deposited the checks for Harvest Raid - that happens tomorrow - so it isn't a question of "how much do I write the refund check for" - it is "do I even cash the check". ?(Unfortunately, I don't know how to legally cash only the feast portion of their check!) ?Here are the situations I have: # When I have autocratted the checks get deposited as soon as possible after receipt, mostly to indicate funds were received. The events mostly follow a prepay from group funds followed by depositing money made at the event gate which hopefully exceeds the amount of the "loan" as it were. Events are planned to make a reasonable profit and *if* (rarely) we get a sizable rebate or refund of expenditures we have been known to issue a dollar or two refund at the gate at sign in. > - people who told me a few days ahead they weren't coming. ?(I have pulled the check and don't plan to cash it). # As long as they were prior to the cut-off for feast then they can get a full refund if requested. Quite often we just return the check. > - people who reserved for 7 people and 4 showed up. ?(I plan to cash the check and write some refunds) # This all depends on whether the feast seats can be filled or not, food has been purchased by that time and the funds are spoken for. > - people who told the gate that day someone weren't coming > - people who just never showed up. This depends on the circumstances involved. Generally it would be no refunds, but might be ameliorated by death in the family, hospital or sickness, or other circumstances outside their control. It is kind of like Pennsic. > I would ask you: ?Does it mean anything to have "only paid reservations count" if people still believe they are not making a committment? That phrase is more useful as far as feast seating is concerned, generally the feast is the variable cost for an event. Location fees and setup costs are relatively fixed. Feast and a couple other minor details are where the variations (and losses) can occur if the fees were not set up well in the first place. Commitment by it's very nature means that you *will* be there or take the loss. Refunds, if any, should be specifically requested and reviewed against a set criteria or circumstances. > If you have recently reserved for an event - what are your refund expectations? > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > Dorinda I only look for a refund if I have canceled at least a week in advance, any closer and I consider it a donation for the inconvenience I will cause by my absence. If getting a refund is that critical for my financial well being then I should not have committed those funds in the first place. That is my take on the situation and how I feel about refunds. Running an event is somewhat like any other business and despite the non-profit nature of the SCA and the desires to keep costs to a minimum, our funding model is not flexible enough to allow for hemorrhaging red ink on an event. Events are where many groups earn their only operating expenses for the year. YMMV YIS Taranach McLeod ?thelmearc Siege Brigadier From taranach at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 18:18:51 2009 From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:18:51 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <20137_1254663627_n94DeQZ6012710_24064.75560.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3270_1254661023_n94Cv20F025016_902465.1254661016603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20137_1254663627_n94DeQZ6012710_24064.75560.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30595_1254694762_n94MJLAG009559_be53fda50910041518ic58840dxa66c38634eea1e5f@mail.gmail.com> Awwww... but I think being a large prophet would be fun! I look a little like Buddha after all... Taranach Melior abolesco in nostrum pedis quam ad servio in nostrum genua > None of us in society are out to make a large prophet, > > YIS, > ~Lady Margarita de' Siena > La tristezza ama qualcuno che non si preoccupa From mol.maria at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 19:53:08 2009 From: mol.maria at yahoo.com (Maria Christina de Cordoba) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Dayshades for Crown Tournament In-Reply-To: <5701_1254682882_n94J1LMS013512_87DC94DD-D329-461C-8575-A51880B72B41@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <30559_1254700398_n94NrHU6030036_468356.16290.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do we know who the combatant will be? IS, THL Maria Christina de Cordoba Kingdom Deputy Minister of List & Authorization Clerk Minister of List Web Minister Chancellor of Youth Web Minister --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Kristin & Rick Reichert wrote: From: Kristin & Rick Reichert Subject: [SCA-AE] Dayshades for Crown Tournament To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 3:01 PM Reminder:? October 14th is fast approaching!? If you have not done so,? please get me your dayshade measurements. See below!! In Service, Aine The gracious lady Aine inghean Riocard has offered to be the liaison for combatants and their consorts who will be competing at AEthelmearc Crown Tourney, to be held on October 17, in the Shire of Coppertree, in Little Falls, NY. Please forward your dayshade measurements to Lady Aine at olafandaine at twcny.rr.com , or phone 315-677-3254, by October 14, and? she shall reserve space for you on the list field at Crown Tourney. If you do not send her your information, we cannot guarantee you a prime space. Please also pre-register for the event by that date, so that we can be sure to hold your space. Thank you! _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net Sun Oct 4 19:56:59 2009 From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:56:59 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [EK] Looking for Merchant Message-ID: <17612_1254700629_n94Nv7Dm010657_001901ca454e$5d736650$1001a8c0@otter> -----Original Message----- From: sca-east-bounces at indra.com [mailto:sca-east-bounces at indra.com] On Behalf Of purplkat at optonline.net Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:02 PM To: East Kingdom Subject: [EK] Looking for Merchant My hubby is looking for pure linen sewing thread, and waxed linen thread for sewing leather. Can anyone suggest an SCA merchant who might carry these items.. I would much rather send my money to SCA merchants than an on-line company. Thanks Katheryne _______________________________________________ sca-east mailing list sca-east at mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/sca-east From tracey_stoever at hotmail.com Sun Oct 4 19:59:09 2009 From: tracey_stoever at hotmail.com (Tracey Stoever) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:59:09 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] West Kingdom Crown results and a Surprise In-Reply-To: <5815_1254687318_n94KFHi0016388_280CC91F02414435A181A7344EFC46C9@TorvaldrPC> References: <5815_1254687318_n94KFHi0016388_280CC91F02414435A181A7344EFC46C9@TorvaldrPC> Message-ID: <844_1254700754_n94NxDl2026945_BAY135-DS22422E3D4B5F64C73D377E4D00@phx.gbl> Not a dry eye here either! Thanks so much for sharing that magical SCA moment! -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+tracey_stoever=hotmail.com at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+tracey_stoever=hotmail.com at lists.andrew.cmu. edu] On Behalf Of Torvaldr Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:15 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: [SCA-AE] West Kingdom Crown results and a Surprise Duke Uther wins in 3 boughts for the final againt Lord Janos and then.... Forwarded by Torvaldr Torgarson Okay, let's give the heralds point of view: First, huzzah for both Gunther and Brand McClellan for facing Uther and giving the West memorable battles that kept all of us talking long after they were finally finished (Gunther and Uther in the 7th round, the fight lasted almost 15 minutes and all of it was glorious!). Janos and Uther in finals - Janos made an outstanding effort, but went down after the third bout. So, it's going to be a field investiture as Uther usually prefers. We all run onto the field to witness. After Uther is crowned with the wreath, he stands and takes the circle of roses to present to Kara. He starts talking about their preparations for Crown, and how everything in life runs in circles and now it comes to the ring of roses - he stops, takes a deep breath and says "K?ra B?reksd?ttir, well you marry me?" The look of shock and joy on her face was absolutely priceless. He lifts her to feet and hugs her, while everybody starts clapping and cheering. We hear a loud voice say (I think it was Jade), "Wait, has she said yes?" Kara stops hugging and faces the crowd, and then nods her head and says "yes", then goes back to hugging and kissing Uther. Not a dry eye on the whole field! Caoilinn Rose Maddox _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 20:58:28 2009 From: ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com (kathy kemmish) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:58:28 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] West Kingdom Crown results and a Surprise In-Reply-To: <5815_1254687318_n94KFHi0016388_280CC91F02414435A181A7344EFC46C9@TorvaldrPC> References: <5815_1254687318_n94KFHi0016388_280CC91F02414435A181A7344EFC46C9@TorvaldrPC> Message-ID: <23254_1254704316_n950wact004002_540ddc010910041758j794cf028xda93f05175ecc221@mail.gmail.com> Moments like this are why the SCA exists. Vivat to Duke Uther and his lady Kara, and may they have a wonderful life together. -- Lady Kathryn MacLuing, OK Onyx Pursuivant Barony of Blackstone Mountain From muirgens at aol.com Sun Oct 4 20:59:08 2009 From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:59:08 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Dayshades for Crown Tournament In-Reply-To: <5701_1254682882_n94J1LMS013512_87DC94DD-D329-461C-8575-A51880B72B41@twcny.rr.com> References: <5701_1254682882_n94J1LMS013512_87DC94DD-D329-461C-8575-A51880B72B41@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <22953_1254704374_n950xXUT004429_8CC136E2D4A668A-9B7C-2ED5@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Dear Aine; Please reserve us a dayshade space for our 10'x15' shade.? The frontage is the 10 foot side. Thanks so much, Duchess Morgen of Rye on behalf of herself and Duke Sir Christopher Rawlyns -----Original Message----- From: Kristin & Rick Reichert To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:01 pm Subject: [SCA-AE] Dayshades for Crown Tournament Reminder: October 14th is fast approaching! If you have not done so, please get me your dayshade measurements. See below!! In Service, Aine The gracious lady Aine inghean Riocard has offered to be the liaison for combatants and their consorts who will be competing at AEthelmearc Crown Tourney, to be held on October 17, in the Shire of Coppertree, in Little Falls, NY. Please forward your dayshade measurements to Lady Aine at olafandaine at twcny.rr.com , or phone 315-677-3254, by October 14, and she shall reserve space for you on the list field at Crown Tourney. If you do not send her your information, we cannot guarantee you a prime space. Please also pre-register for the event by that date, so that we can be sure to hold your space. Thank you! _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From muirgens at aol.com Sun Oct 4 21:02:49 2009 From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:02:49 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Dayshades for Crown Tournament In-Reply-To: <5701_1254682882_n94J1LMS013512_87DC94DD-D329-461C-8575-A51880B72B41@twcny.rr.com> References: <5701_1254682882_n94J1LMS013512_87DC94DD-D329-461C-8575-A51880B72B41@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <15798_1254704599_n9513IQe018835_8CC136EB19157B8-9B7C-2F4B@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> I just realized that my dayshade message is headed for the whole list...? Mea culpa! morgen -----Original Message----- From: Kristin & Rick Reichert To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 3:01 pm Subject: [SCA-AE] Dayshades for Crown Tournament Reminder: October 14th is fast approaching! If you have not done so, please get me your dayshade measurements. See below!! In Service, Aine The gracious lady Aine inghean Riocard has offered to be the liaison for combatants and their consorts who will be competing at AEthelmearc Crown Tourney, to be held on October 17, in the Shire of Coppertree, in Little Falls, NY. Please forward your dayshade measurements to Lady Aine at olafandaine at twcny.rr.com , or phone 315-677-3254, by October 14, and she shall reserve space for you on the list field at Crown Tourney. If you do not send her your information, we cannot guarantee you a prime space. Please also pre-register for the event by that date, so that we can be sure to hold your space. Thank you! _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From valgardr at siriustech.net Sun Oct 4 21:43:09 2009 From: valgardr at siriustech.net (Scott Hofer) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Aethelmearc Aecademy Message-ID: <9908_1254707003_n951hMXh021113_A6A14FE58CC242FA83A8B2FCACF78A23@valgardr> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Attend our Fantastic Fall, AEthelmearc AEcademy! I know what you are asking . . . "Where and when is this fantastic event happening, and how much does it cost?" Read on and find out the vital information you seek: Date - Oct. 31, 2009 ( in light that this Halloween, we will feature a "trick or treat" track for any children who attend) Location - Frank Center for the Creative Arts (the theater and creative arts building), at Shepherd University Cost - $5.00 per adult $2.00 per child Food - A day board is being offered at no extra cost. Members of the Shire of Sylvan Glen are donating the edibles. There will be chili, veggie soup, bread, hard boiled eggs, and other items. There is no head-cook to discuss dietary concerns. We will try to have a wide variety of items to accommodate most dietary needs. Each item will have an ingredient list available, for those who need to check items. Time - 9:00 am - 7:00 pm Anxious to share your knowledge? We are looking for you to teach! Please register your class at http://www.aecademy.org/registration/index.php If you have any questions, please contact the Chancellor of the Aecademy, Mistress Juliana Delamere at deb at debrahofer.com . The deadline for class registration is October 18. For other information contact the autocrat, Lady Bera of Tavastland at: beraoftavastland at yahoo.com For tentative class offerings and more information, visit www.aecademy.org Directions - from points north = make your way to Interstate 81 south. Travel to Martinsburg exit 16 E (North Queen Street/Shepherdstown exit). Take the exit - you will be on Route 9 East, headed into Martinsbug. Route 9 will turn into Edwin Miller Blvd./Queen Street of Martinsburg. Stay on this road until you come to the intersection of Moler Ave (Route 45) and Queen Street (Enterprise car rental is on one corner, Arndt McBee Insruance is on another corner, and Dr. Queen DDS is on the other). Turn left at this stop light, onto Route 45/Moler Ave. Stay on this road, all the way into Shepherdstown. Turn left at the Sheetz (University Drive) Look for the SCA Signs. >From the South - make your way to Interstae 81 north. Travel to the Martinsburg exit 16 E (North Queen Street/Shepherdstown exit). Follow the above directions. From celticbardess at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 23:06:32 2009 From: celticbardess at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9adaoin_ingen_Chanac=E1in?=) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown List? In-Reply-To: <9908_1254707003_n951hMXh021113_A6A14FE58CC242FA83A8B2FCACF78A23@valgardr> Message-ID: <8412_1254711998_n9536bhd031005_631866.50620.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Greetings! Please forgive my lack of attention span, but has the Fall Crown combatants list been posted anywhere? Did I miss it?? YISEadaoin, the very confused.... From olafandaine at twcny.rr.com Sun Oct 4 23:29:02 2009 From: olafandaine at twcny.rr.com (Kristin & Rick Reichert) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:29:02 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown List? In-Reply-To: <8412_1254711998_n9536bhd031005_631866.50620.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8412_1254711998_n9536bhd031005_631866.50620.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <28639_1254713352_n953TBKN031199_81A0EA74-A275-4E4F-A8E8-A5BC17D1017F@twcny.rr.com> Greetings! Nope, you didn't miss it- it hasn't been posted. My reminder was simply geared to those that have submitted a letter with intent to fight in Crown. :) Take care, Aine On Oct 4, 2009, at 11:06 PM, ?adaoin ingen Chanac?in wrote: > Greetings! > Please forgive my lack of attention span, but has the Fall Crown > combatants list been posted anywhere? Did I miss it? > YISEadaoin, the very confused.... > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From knight1396 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 23:42:59 2009 From: knight1396 at yahoo.com (jere jameson) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown List? In-Reply-To: <8412_1254711998_n9536bhd031005_631866.50620.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10187_1254714188_n953h7UW013047_350368.24904.qm@web52401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The Fall Crown List of Combatants and Consorts will be put up on Tuesday this week. Thanks for your patience! Henri and Elena ? ? --- On Sun, 10/4/09, ?adaoin ingen Chanac?in wrote: From: ?adaoin ingen Chanac?in Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown List? To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 11:06 PM Greetings! Please forgive my lack of attention span, but has the Fall Crown combatants list been posted anywhere? Did I miss it?? YISEadaoin, the very confused.... ? ? ? _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Mon Oct 5 06:29:27 2009 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:29:27 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds In-Reply-To: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> References: <19891_1254659842_n94CbLG4020376_72FB175A196A4F1098CB63A30744BC98@D32K5JC1> Message-ID: <18324_1254738577_n95ATaY5026283_BDA72407-3B82-4A5B-9838-2B11B04911BE@rochester.rr.com> Thescorre's exchequer wrote me, in response to a question on Thescorre's "policy": "I usually leave it up to the autocrat. Most of the time we do give refunds. " That is an unwritten policy ... more like guidelines.... (cue The Black Pearl quote) Fridrikr On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Dorinda Courtine-White wrote: > Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as > to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or > do not appear? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy > here, and it appears to be biting us. I have always figured that if > someone cancels before the deadline when I have to tell the cook how > many are eating, then all is refunded, no issue. We have always > stated that if one cancels after that, we "may" refund the feast > dollars, if we can resell the spot. In reality, even if we have had > 20 people cancel and only resold 16 spots, we have refunded the > money, because we aren't out to make a billion dollars of profit on > our friends, and it is close enough. But now it seems to be getting > out of hand. We had a sold out feast for 104 and ended up sitting > about 82 because people just didn't show up. People on the wait > list never came back to check if they got a spot. And others gave > up and made other plans because we said we were ! > sold out. > > I have not yet deposited the checks for Harvest Raid - that happens > tomorrow - so it isn't a question of "how much do I write the refund > check for" - it is "do I even cash the check". (Unfortunately, I > don't know how to legally cash only the feast portion of their > check!) Here are the situations I have: > > - people who told me a few days ahead they weren't coming. (I have > pulled the check and don't plan to cash it). > > - people who reserved for 7 people and 4 showed up. (I plan to cash > the check and write some refunds) > > - people who told the gate that day someone weren't coming > > - people who just never showed up. > > > I would ask you: what does your group do in these situations? Or > do you cash the checks earlier to have money for the event? Does it > mean anything to have "only paid reservations count" if people still > believe they are not making a committment? > > If you have recently reserved for an event - what are your refund > expectations? > > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > Dorinda > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net Mon Oct 5 09:36:25 2009 From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:36:25 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [EK] Fwd: [Ealdormere] Firepit Message-ID: <10956_1254749801_n95DaeHT008226_000f01ca45c0$d668cbf0$1001a8c0@otter> -----Original Message----- From: sca-east-bounces at indra.com [mailto:sca-east-bounces at indra.com] On Behalf Of Liz Clark Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 3:21 AM To: barony; East Kingdom; stonemarche; northprinc Subject: [EK] Fwd: [Ealdormere] Firepit As you can see, I have, once again, forayed into the wilds of Ealdormere to bring back this little tidbit for my fellow Easterners. Hugs Freya P.S.: No Ealdormereans were harmed in this incident. Date: Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM Subject: [Ealdormere] Firepit To: Ealdormere A couple of people were intrigued by the portable firepit I had at the Althing, so here are the plans I used to create it http://www.midtown.net/dragonwing/col9905.htm Here is a photo of mine: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MyStzUv3EKQLtpUFBUm1mQ?feat=directlink __._,_.___ __,_._,___ -- Courtesy is owed .. Respect is earned .. Love is given _______________________________________________ sca-east mailing list sca-east at mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/sca-east From herantik at penn.com Mon Oct 5 09:54:15 2009 From: herantik at penn.com (Rosita P. Pisarchick) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:54:15 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds Message-ID: <24490_1254750868_n95DsRfx002931_380-22009101513541515@penn.com> Unwritten policies and customary traditions in money matters of this type can only breed problems and favoritism. Once you deal with the populace's money, the policies need to be defined and adhered to, not left to the the whim of the autocrat. Autocrats change, so will their friends and ways. So what was 'unwritten' like refund issueing will be dealt with differently from event to event, even in the same shire, barony, kingdom. It is so much easier for everyone concerned to have the policies well written, simple, with no grey areas, easy to follow and understand and always stated in the event announcement. And then adhere to them. Hieronyma Holvoet van Dadizele > [Original Message] > From: Thomas Ireland-Delfs > To: > Date: 10/5/2009 6:29:28 AM > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] other group policies on event refunds > > Thescorre's exchequer wrote me, in response to a question on > Thescorre's "policy": "I usually leave it up to the autocrat. Most > of the time we do give refunds. " That is an unwritten policy ... > more like guidelines.... (cue The Black Pearl quote) > > Fridrikr > > > On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Dorinda Courtine-White wrote: > > > Fellow AEthelmearcians, > > > > As I try to wrap up the books from Harvest Raid, I was curious as > > to what other groups do as far as refunds for people who cancel or > > do not appear? We have always had a pretty generous refund policy > > here, and it appears to be biting us. I have always figured that if > > someone cancels before the deadline when I have to tell the cook how > > many are eating, then all is refunded, no issue. We have always > > stated that if one cancels after that, we "may" refund the feast > > dollars, if we can resell the spot. In reality, even if we have had > > 20 people cancel and only resold 16 spots, we have refunded the > > money, because we aren't out to make a billion dollars of profit on > > our friends, and it is close enough. But now it seems to be getting > > out of hand. We had a sold out feast for 104 and ended up sitting > > about 82 because people just didn't show up. People on the wait > > list never came back to check if they got a spot. And others gave > > up and made other plans because we said we were ! > > sold out. > > > > I have not yet deposited the checks for Harvest Raid - that happens > > tomorrow - so it isn't a question of "how much do I write the refund > > check for" - it is "do I even cash the check". (Unfortunately, I > > don't know how to legally cash only the feast portion of their > > check!) Here are the situations I have: > > > > - people who told me a few days ahead they weren't coming. (I have > > pulled the check and don't plan to cash it). > > > > - people who reserved for 7 people and 4 showed up. (I plan to cash > > the check and write some refunds) > > > > - people who told the gate that day someone weren't coming > > > > - people who just never showed up. > > > > > > I would ask you: what does your group do in these situations? Or > > do you cash the checks earlier to have money for the event? Does it > > mean anything to have "only paid reservations count" if people still > > believe they are not making a committment? > > > > If you have recently reserved for an event - what are your refund > > expectations? > > > > > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > > > Dorinda > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > > to the list. > > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > > for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From katla at zoominternet.net Mon Oct 5 10:12:41 2009 From: katla at zoominternet.net (katla at zoominternet.net) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:12:41 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Shire of Sunderoak A&S for October Message-ID: <9565_1254752585_n95EN4ua010495_1133.1254751961@zoominternet.net> October is A&S competition kickoff month Have you ever wondered what goes into creating the art that goes into a competition? Possibly even thought about entering something? Let our experienced entrants and judges assist you in starting off in the right direction. Tonight Mistress Yvianne will get us started with how to research a project, October 19th THL Odriana will demystify documentation, October 26th Sir Aengus will walk us through some winning Ice Dragon Entries - what went into the research, planning, execution, documentation and presentation. Lady Esa Baird will also teach a class on cloth buttons, October 12th. All are welcome! Monday evenings at 6pm, check out the Sunderoak A&S page, http://sunderoak.aethelmearc.org/Officers/A_S.html, for additional details. We are currently looking for ideas for November classes if you are interested in sharing your knowledge or skills with an enthusastic group of people please contact me off list. Many thanks, Katla From jfkyle at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 10:52:28 2009 From: jfkyle at gmail.com (john kyle) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:52:28 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] dance practices Message-ID: <1463_1254754357_n95EqZtR019814_dd684d40910050752s307e57cdx2be1301df3db4246@mail.gmail.com> does anyone know when and where dance practices are held in the sw penna. area? that would be the area in and around the barony marche of the debatable lands. thank you! sionn, the lost "lost in time and...lost in space...and...meaning." From grm at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Oct 5 11:35:41 2009 From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:35:41 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] dance practices In-Reply-To: <1463_1254754357_n95EqZtR019814_dd684d40910050752s307e57cdx2be1301df3db4246@mail.gmail.com> References: <1463_1254754357_n95EqZtR019814_dd684d40910050752s307e57cdx2be1301df3db4246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24883_1254756952_n95FZpZv009279_053CED6D8643F6B4C060C5B6@Grump1.cmu.edu> They are held on the Carnegie Mellon campus in Porter/Baker A18A, I believe. For information see: toodles, margaret --On Monday, October 05, 2009 10:52 AM -0400 john kyle wrote: > does anyone know when and where dance practices are held in the sw penna. > area? that would be the area in and around the barony marche of the > debatable lands. > thank you! > > sionn, the lost > "lost in time and...lost in space...and...meaning." > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From celticbardess at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 11:45:54 2009 From: celticbardess at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9adaoin_ingen_Chanac=E1in?=) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown List? In-Reply-To: <10187_1254714188_n953h7UW013047_350368.24904.qm@web52401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5755_1254757570_n95Fk9AE008758_326487.52991.qm@web53009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thank you!? I thought I had missed the information somehow. Thanks for clearing it up! YIS,Eadaoin Following my Fish, Keirin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would you kill him in his bed? Thrust a dagger through his head? I would not, could not, kill the King. I could not do that evil thing. I would not wed this girl, you see. Now get her to a nunnery. ~ Green Eggs and Hamlet ~ --- On Sun, 10/4/09, jere jameson wrote: From: jere jameson Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown List? To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 11:42 PM The Fall Crown List of Combatants and Consorts will be put up on Tuesday this week. Thanks for your patience! Henri and Elena ? ? --- On Sun, 10/4/09, ?adaoin ingen Chanac?in wrote: From: ?adaoin ingen Chanac?in Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown List? To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 11:06 PM Greetings! Please forgive my lack of attention span, but has the Fall Crown combatants list been posted anywhere? Did I miss it?? YISEadaoin, the very confused.... ? ? ? _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ ? ? ? _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From torvaldr at skaldic.com Mon Oct 5 13:29:18 2009 From: torvaldr at skaldic.com (Torvaldr) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:29:18 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Prince Uther's propsal video Message-ID: <24459_1254763744_n95HT3EV012883_0CFE6DF7B11C4B56BB360DE8B1C42556@TorvaldrPC> For those who might like to see the propsal Torvaldr http://www.youtube.com/user/housesigurgata#play/all/uploads-all/2/hRCOVGDl5Uo From maricelt at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 14:05:48 2009 From: maricelt at gmail.com (Marie Stewart) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:05:48 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Prince Uther's propsal video In-Reply-To: <24459_1254763744_n95HT3EV012883_0CFE6DF7B11C4B56BB360DE8B1C42556@TorvaldrPC> References: <24459_1254763744_n95HT3EV012883_0CFE6DF7B11C4B56BB360DE8B1C42556@TorvaldrPC> Message-ID: <26129_1254765957_n95I5u4D012274_72adc2660910051105j6a369eb0ga05a8e63b09822b3@mail.gmail.com> Thank you! SQUEEEE! On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Torvaldr wrote: > For those who might like to see the propsal > > Torvaldr > > http://www.youtube.com/user/housesigurgata#play/all/uploads-all/2/hRCOVGDl5Uo > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > ?more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From june at tiltedhalo.org Mon Oct 5 17:02:56 2009 From: june at tiltedhalo.org (June) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:02:56 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Another question on group event policies In-Reply-To: <5820_1254686218_n94Juvjb007185_C9D8000D864947F99E759E7B745BD4A3@D32K5JC1> References: <25925_1254679048_n94HvRY5024342_155519662.361560.1254679038343.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> <5820_1254686218_n94Juvjb007185_C9D8000D864947F99E759E7B745BD4A3@D32K5JC1> Message-ID: <25799_1254776591_n95L3Aao031918_008701ca45ff$37143a50$a53caef0$@org> If I paid for the reservation I'd expect it to be there, even if the person I originally bought it for couldn't be there, so I wouldn't have a problem giving it or selling it to someone else in our group who might not have made it otherwise. As far as the event goes, the seat was sold anyway. Juliana -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+june=tiltedhalo.org at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+june=tiltedhalo.org at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Dorinda Courtine-White Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:57 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: [SCA-AE] Another question on group event policies Since you have all been so helpful, let me ask another question: how do you handle "transfers". E.g. I reserve for four people, but it turns out John has to work so I ask if I can bring Mary in his place. OK? We have not always allowed this as if we have a waiting list for feast, that means that Mary jumps ahead of people who have to wait because they aren't lucky enough to know someone. Does your group allow transfers? Thanks, Dorinda _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From ddfr at daviddfriedman.com Tue Oct 6 01:16:59 2009 From: ddfr at daviddfriedman.com (David Friedman) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:16:59 -0700 Subject: [SCA-AE] Norse Riddle In-Reply-To: <26067_1253167725_n8H68i1c021330_p06240811c6d7761c330e@[192.168.1.25]> References: <18924_1253154124_n8H2M31b013118_71051BB961B9442EA34ABE2C866583A4@Torvaldr PC> <26067_1253167725_n8H68i1c021330_p06240811c6d7761c330e@[192.168.1.25]> Message-ID: <18709_1254812870_n9677n1v019195_p06240803c6f082fceb86@[192.168.1.76]> >To reciprocate for Torvaldr's riddles, here's one of mine. Unlike >his, mine are not in the form of a skaldic poem. But they are about >matters Norse--the sagas, the eddic material, the culture. > >If you haven't seen it before, feel free to post your answer to the >list. If you have--I sometimes ask my riddles at my bardic >circle--please refrain. > >I was a hostage for one >Who, being brave, broke faith. >Now I and my twin brother are parted forever. >-- >David/Cariadoc >www.daviddfriedman.com Someone replied to this off list with the correct answer. I asked if I could post the name and got no response, so I won't. The answer is the right hand of Tyr. Here's another: Because I was overlooked One who could Gave me to one who could not To use as he did not intend. -- David/Cariadoc www.daviddfriedman.com From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net Tue Oct 6 08:34:04 2009 From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:34:04 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook Message-ID: <13656_1254832452_n96CYBrI024078_002601ca4681$4af75890$1001a8c0@otter> I thought this may be of interest to some on this list. Biotta -----Original Message----- From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org] On Behalf Of David Friedman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:19 AM To: sca-middle at midrealm.org Subject: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook I mentioned to someone at the 40th anniversary event that a 10th century middle-eastern cookbook is now available in English translation, and he asked me to post the information to this list. The book is _Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens_, the translator is Nawal Nasrallah, the putative author is al-Warraq. It's an expensive book, so if you want access to it you might want to persuade a library to either buy it or get it via interlibrary loan. -- David/Cariadoc www.daviddfriedman.com From: David Friedman +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ to unsubscribe, send a message to `~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~` majordomo at midrealm.org with . | | | | | | | | 'unsubscribe sca-middle' as its body. From corwin at swordandmug.us Tue Oct 6 12:26:54 2009 From: corwin at swordandmug.us (Mont Bowser) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:26:54 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Results from QRC Message-ID: <23264_1254846431_n96GRA83001137_4ACB6FCE.7010906@swordandmug.us> As the outgoing Queen's Champion has been without consistent e-mail access, please permit me to report the results of the Queen's Rapier Championship for him to the list. Through the generous efforts of the Shire of Sunderoak, Their Majesties Henri and Elena hosted an extravagant tournament this past Saturday upon the backdrop of the lake at Pennsic to choose Her Queen's Rapier Champion. With the gift of pomp and dignity of heralding and individual introductions to the Crown, the rapier fighters of AEthelmearc came forth in force to fight for the honor of championing the Queen. By report, twenty-eight fencers entered the list to include one Lady of the Rose, one Knight of the Chivalry, and eleven Companions of the White Scarf to compete in the challenging sudden death format of single elimination. The field was deep in talent, hard fought, and demonstrative of numerous examples of honor. Upon announcement of the semifinals, the remaining combatants were Master Donnan MacDubhsiadhe, Monsigneur Christian Amaury de Launey, Lord William Parris of the Queen's Guard, and Chernislava Alekseeva of the Queen's Guard. Lord William Parris was victorious over Don Christian fighting rapier and cloak, and Master Donnan with Rapier and Whip was victorious over Chernislava fighting Rapier and Cloak to advance to the finals. The finals were fought as the best of three passes: Single Rapier - won by Lord William, Single Rapier - won by Master Donnan, and Case of Rapier - won by Master Donnan. In Royal Court that evening, Master Donnan MacDubhsiade was commanded to present himself, and Herr Joseph Kildonan passed the regalia of Queen's Rapier Champion to him as the new Champion. Further granting favor to the fencers of AEthelmearc, Their Majesties strengthened the ranks of Their Order of the White Scarf by inducting Emily of Dunvegan as the 33rd Companion of the White Scarf in AEthelmearc. Vivat! This was a grand day in Glorious AEthelmearc. Don Corwyn Montgomery -- "Wouldst thou have men speak good of thee? speak good of them. And when thou hast learned to speak good of them, try to do good unto them, and thus though wilt reap in return their speaking good of thee." -- Epictetus of Nicopolis From carwinr at aol.com Tue Oct 6 12:47:49 2009 From: carwinr at aol.com (carwinr at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:47:49 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Prince Uther's propsal video Message-ID: <11606_1254847674_n96GlrNc003610_1387759491-1254847661-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-509462766-@bda320.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That is wonderful! Thanks for posting it! Clarice ------Original Message------ From: Torvaldr Sender: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+carwinr=aol.com at lists.andrew.cmu.edu To: AE List ReplyTo: AE List Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Prince Uther's propsal video Sent: Oct 5, 2009 1:29 PM For those who might like to see the propsal Torvaldr http://www.youtube.com/user/housesigurgata#play/all/uploads-all/2/hRCOVGDl5Uo _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From katjaorlova at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 14:27:40 2009 From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook In-Reply-To: <13656_1254832452_n96CYBrI024078_002601ca4681$4af75890$1001a8c0@otter> Message-ID: <31018_1254853670_n96IRnh3016026_687360.76744.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens is absolutely a mmmmmmmmmarvelous book. I was lucky enough to drool over a truly kind friend's copy last Pennsic for an hour or so. ? Although it is an amazing resource and contains *hundreds* of recipes, it is?incredibly pricey, as His Grace says. The current price is $195 American dollars.? :( Katja, who reeeeeally wants a copy >> ? I thought this may be of interest to some on this list. Biotta -----Original Message----- From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org] On Behalf Of David Friedman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:19 AM To: sca-middle at midrealm.org Subject: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook I mentioned to someone at the 40th anniversary event that a 10th century middle-eastern cookbook is now available in English translation, and he asked me to post the information to this list. The book is _Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens_, the translator is Nawal Nasrallah, the putative author is al-Warraq. It's an expensive book, so if you want access to it you might want to persuade a library to either buy it or get it via interlibrary loan. -- David/Cariadoc www.daviddfriedman.com From katla at zoominternet.net Tue Oct 6 14:12:39 2009 From: katla at zoominternet.net (katla at zoominternet.net) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:12:39 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook Message-ID: <26618_1254854850_n96IlTXF026795_4530.1254852759@zoominternet.net> easybooksearch.com - best price $156.00....a little better. On Tue 10/ 6/09 2:27 PM , Katja katjaorlova at yahoo.com sent: Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens is absolutely a mmmmmmmmmarvelous book. I was lucky enough to drool over a truly kind friend's copy last Pennsic for an hour or so. Although it is an amazing resource and contains *hundreds* of recipes, it is incredibly pricey, as His Grace says. The current price is $195 American dollars. :( Katja, who reeeeeally wants a copy >> I thought this may be of interest to some on this list. Biotta -----Original Message----- From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [1]] On Behalf Of David Friedman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:19 AM To: sca-middle at midrealm.org [2] Subject: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook I mentioned to someone at the 40th anniversary event that a 10th century middle-eastern cookbook is now available in English translation, and he asked me to post the information to this list. The book is _Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens_, the translator is Nawal Nasrallah, the putative author is al-Warraq. It's an expensive book, so if you want access to it you might want to persuade a library to either buy it or get it via interlibrary loan. -- David/Cariadoc www.daviddfriedman.com [3] _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org [4] to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org [5] . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc [6] for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ Links: ------ [1] mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [2] mailto:sca-middle at midrealm.org [3] http://www.daviddfriedman.com [4] mailto:discussion at aethelmearc.org [5] mailto:announcements at aethelmearc.org [6] https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc From jcronsen at verizon.net Tue Oct 6 14:57:41 2009 From: jcronsen at verizon.net (J C Ronsen) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:57:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook Message-ID: <26415_1254855493_n96IwCiS028049_1302093635.111165.1254855461817.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> Google Books (one of my favorite virtual places) has a "limited" preview of most of the book: http://books.google.com/books?id=dUC-e-l3XM8C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false. Caleb from Work Land On Oct 6, 2009, katla at zoominternet.net wrote: easybooksearch.com - best price $156.00....a little better. On Tue 10/ 6/09 2:27 PM , Katja katjaorlova at yahoo.com sent: Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens is absolutely a mmmmmmmmmarvelous book. I was lucky enough to drool over a truly kind friend's copy last Pennsic for an hour or so. Although it is an amazing resource and contains *hundreds* of recipes, it is incredibly pricey, as His Grace says. The current price is $195 American dollars. :( Katja, who reeeeeally wants a copy >> I thought this may be of interest to some on this list. Biotta -----Original Message----- From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [1]] On Behalf Of David Friedman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:19 AM To: sca-middle at midrealm.org [2] Subject: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook I mentioned to someone at the 40th anniversary event that a 10th century middle-eastern cookbook is now available in English translation, and he asked me to post the information to this list. The book is _Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens_, the translator is Nawal Nasrallah, the putative author is al-Warraq. It's an expensive book, so if you want access to it you might want to persuade a library to either buy it or get it via interlibrary loan. -- David/Cariadoc www.daviddfriedman.com [3] _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org [4] to post to the list. 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Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From helen.pinto at comcast.net Tue Oct 6 15:24:05 2009 From: helen.pinto at comcast.net (Helen Pinto) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook In-Reply-To: <1034346326.2653491254857026804.JavaMail.root@sz0170a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9945_1254857054_n96JODgr012479_455812304.2653661254857045238.JavaMail.root@sz0170a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Wow. Just wow. I just skimmed through the first 202 pages available on google books (out of 867). Yeah, it's $195, but it's certainly worth it. -Aidan From torvaldr at skaldic.com Tue Oct 6 15:26:54 2009 From: torvaldr at skaldic.com (Torvaldr) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:26:54 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Norse Riddle In-Reply-To: <18709_1254812870_n9677n1v019195_p06240803c6f082fceb86@[192.168.1.76]> References: <18924_1253154124_n8H2M31b013118_71051BB961B9442EA34ABE2C866583A4@TorvaldrPC><26067_1253167725_n8H68i1c021330_p06240811c6d7761c330e@[192.168.1.25]> <18709_1254812870_n9677n1v019195_p06240803c6f082fceb86@[192.168.1.76]> Message-ID: <10054_1254857227_n96JR6TA017420_A24BFAA9D64F434AA1C701B5E98D9EA1@TorvaldrPC> Hi, I have tried multiple times to send answers to you off list, but I keep getting a permanent fatal error. Torvaldr ----- Original Message ----- From: David Friedman To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Norse Riddle >To reciprocate for Torvaldr's riddles, here's one of mine. Unlike >his, mine are not in the form of a skaldic poem. But they are about >matters Norse--the sagas, the eddic material, the culture. > >If you haven't seen it before, feel free to post your answer to the >list. If you have--I sometimes ask my riddles at my bardic >circle--please refrain. > >I was a hostage for one >Who, being brave, broke faith. >Now I and my twin brother are parted forever. >-- >David/Cariadoc >www.daviddfriedman.com Someone replied to this off list with the correct answer. I asked if I could post the name and got no response, so I won't. The answer is the right hand of Tyr. Here's another: Because I was overlooked One who could Gave me to one who could not To use as he did not intend. -- David/Cariadoc www.daviddfriedman.com _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From myfanwy at nauticom.net Tue Oct 6 17:37:24 2009 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook In-Reply-To: <31018_1254853670_n96IRnh3016026_687360.76744.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.ya hoo.com> References: <31018_1254853670_n96IRnh3016026_687360.76744.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10246_1254865143_n96Ld2vg027319_54774.209.195.147.252.1254865044.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! Ouch! And I was contemplating whether or not I could afford to get a copy of _Bakewise_ (by the woman who's the food scientist on _Good Eats_). Of course, at the moment, I can't afford much of ANYTHING, between having to pay off the new boiler and just dropping nearly $500 on vet bills and such for the two former porch kitties we rescued a couple of weeks ago -- and that's not counting having to pay for the upcoming spay clinic in November for both of them, or at least one more vet visit for the mother to get her shots and the kitten to get the distemper booster. Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens is absolutely a mmmmmmmmmarvelous book. I > was lucky enough to drool over a truly kind friend's copy last Pennsic for > an hour or so. > ? > Although it is an amazing resource and contains *hundreds* of recipes, it > is?incredibly pricey, as His Grace says. > > The current price is $195 American dollars.? :( > > Katja, who reeeeeally wants a copy > >>> > ? > > I thought this may be of interest to some on this list. > > Biotta > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org] > On Behalf Of David Friedman > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:19 AM > To: sca-middle at midrealm.org > Subject: [Mid] A 10th century cookbook > > I mentioned to someone at the 40th anniversary event that a 10th > century middle-eastern cookbook is now available in English > translation, and he asked me to post the information to this list. > > The book is _Annals of the Caliphs' Kitchens_, the translator is > Nawal Nasrallah, the putative author is al-Warraq. It's an expensive > book, so if you want access to it you might want to persuade a > library to either buy it or get it via interlibrary loan. > -- > David/Cariadoc > www.daviddfriedman.com > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From knight1396 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 18:28:43 2009 From: knight1396 at yahoo.com (jere jameson) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tournament Entrants Message-ID: <7720_1254868136_n96MStYZ019991_501186.61048.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Unto the Noble Populace of Sylvan Aethelmearc do Henri and Elena, Roi et Reine of these Fair lands send Greetings! ? Here?follows the?Valiant list of?Combatants for Our Crown Tournament Oct 17th in Our Shire of Coppertree. ? This list by order of precedence by couple. Please forgive any mistakes and feel free to contact us to rectify any if necessary. Thank you for your willingness to take to the field and participate in the succession of the Sylvan Thrones!? ? Duke Malcolm MacEoghainn for the honor of Duchess Tessa the Huntress Duke Christopher Rawlins for the honor of Duchess Morgan of Rye Earl Yngvar the Dismal for the honor of Countess Caryl Olesdatter Count Duncan Von Halstern for the honor of Countess Illish O Donovan Viscount Sir Bear the Wallsbane for the honor of Viscountess Judith of Kirtland Viscount Haakon Oaktall for the honor of Viscountess Elanor of Waldren Sir Magnus de Cnoc an Iora for the honor of Baroness Gwendolyn the Graceful Sir Michael of Northwood for the honor of THL Roberta McMoreland Sir Aengus MacBain for the honor of Mistress Yvianne De Castel d'Avignon Sir Murdoch Bayne for the honor of THL Rioghnach ni Rose THL Gabriel Hawkes for the honor of Mistress Miriam Megget Sir Magnus Tindal for the honor of Lady Etain Ingen Dalaig Sir Thorgrim Skullplitter for the honor of THL Katla Ulfhedinn Baron William Freskyn Murray for the honor of Baroness Kathryn Kiersey THL Georg Eisenfaust for the honor of Lady Rhiannon of Ravenglass THL Havoc the Wild for the honor of THL Bronwyn MacFhionhuin Baron Stefan Ulfkellson for the honor of Baroness Marci of Hadley Baron Vladisla Nikulich for the honor of Baroness Vlksha Iakovleva Lord Magnus Jager for the honor of Lady Bridget de Kyrkland Lord Faiol MacGeroit for the honor of Lady Margarita de Siena Lord Fridrich Flussmullner for the honor of Lady Felicity Flussmuellnrein Lord Andreas Morgan for the honor of Lady Kallista Morguna Chrisopher Logan of Lockley for the honor of Kelia Lockley Ples LaBruce for the honor of Michelle Tortuga From knight1396 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 18:29:57 2009 From: knight1396 at yahoo.com (jere jameson) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Fw: Crown Tournament Entrants Message-ID: <5348_1254868208_n96MU7hm016300_64156.80915.qm@web52401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ --- On Tue, 10/6/09, jere jameson wrote: From: jere jameson Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tournament Entrants To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:28 PM Unto the Noble Populace of Sylvan Aethelmearc do Henri and Elena, Roi et Reine of these Fair lands send Greetings! ? Here?follows the?Valiant list of?Combatants for Our Crown Tournament Oct 17th in Our Shire of Coppertree. ? This list by order of precedence by couple. Please forgive any mistakes and feel free to contact us to rectify any if necessary. Thank you for your willingness to take to the field and participate in the succession of the Sylvan Thrones!? ? Duke Malcolm MacEoghainn for the honor of Duchess Tessa the Huntress Duke Christopher Rawlins for the honor of Duchess Morgan of Rye Earl Yngvar the Dismal for the honor of Countess Caryl Olesdatter Count Duncan Von Halstern for the honor of Countess Illish O Donovan Viscount Sir Bear the Wallsbane for the honor of Viscountess Judith of Kirtland Viscount Haakon Oaktall for the honor of Viscountess Elanor of Waldren Sir Magnus de Cnoc an Iora for the honor of Baroness Gwendolyn the Graceful Sir Michael of Northwood for the honor of THL Roberta McMoreland Sir Aengus MacBain for the honor of Mistress Yvianne De Castel d'Avignon Sir Murdoch Bayne for the honor of THL Rioghnach ni Rose THL Gabriel Hawkes for the honor of Mistress Miriam Megget Sir Magnus Tindal for the honor of Lady Etain Ingen Dalaig Sir Thorgrim Skullplitter for the honor of THL Katla Ulfhedinn Baron William Freskyn Murray for the honor of Baroness Kathryn Kiersey THL Georg Eisenfaust for the honor of Lady Rhiannon of Ravenglass THL Havoc the Wild for the honor of THL Bronwyn MacFhionhuin Baron Stefan Ulfkellson for the honor of Baroness Marci of Hadley Baron Vladisla Nikulich for the honor of Baroness Vlksha Iakovleva Lord Magnus Jager for the honor of Lady Bridget de Kyrkland Lord Faiol MacGeroit for the honor of Lady Margarita de Siena Lord Fridrich Flussmullner for the honor of Lady Felicity Flussmuellnrein Lord Andreas Morgan for the honor of Lady Kallista Morguna Chrisopher Logan of Lockley for the honor of Kelia Lockley Ples LaBruce for the honor of Michelle Tortuga ? ? ? _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From donnghaile at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 22:19:19 2009 From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:19:19 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Report of the Court of TRM Henri et Elena Queen's Rapier Champion October 3rd as 44 Message-ID: <21689_1254881973_n972JWMS023354_29c224fe0910061919j6514c80ai2040f2598788629b@mail.gmail.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ The Report of the Court of Their Royal Majesties Henri and Elena, King and Queen of Sylvan Aethelmearc at Queen?s Rapier Champion Event held in the Shire of Sunderoak on the 3rd day of October as 44, THL Brandubh ? Donnghaile, Silver Buccle, with the assistance of THL Cadell Blaidd du. Their Majesties called forward Sir Aengus MacBane and thanked him and his entire staff for their efforts to host the event. His Majesty told the populace that when he had first announced his intentions to hold an event for the Queen?s rapier champion, that Sir Aengus leapt forward and made it happen. In thanks for his efforts in for the event and his general Chivalric Bearing, King Henri removed a link from his own chain and gave it to Sir Aengus as he inspired His Majesty. Their Majesties announced that the Largess Arts and Sciences exhibition had been held that day and that Baroness Betha of Bedford had presented both the most entries and the highest quality of entries and proclaimed her the winner. Mistress Constance Waite was invited to come forward and Their Majesties charged her with a large basket of toys and bid her distribute them to all the children and youths who had attended the event. Their Majesties bestowed the Aethelmearc award of Excellence upon Dylan of Sunderoak in absentia for his quick study of protocols at the Pennsic War. His efforts at the war had made a very large impression on Their Majesties. Scroll by Lady Margaret Stewart Quinn. Their Majesties called forward James Gallagher and commended him on fighting in his first tournament. They also told him that they had heard of his labors as Deputy Seneschale of the Incipient College of Vulcans Forge, where he fosters newcomers. For this Their Majesties awarded him Arms. Scroll by Lady Helene Al-Zarqa. Uthred Aet Pyttansburh was called forward and awarded arms for his hard work in the Shire of Sunderoak, for cooking and assisting at events, washing dishes and fighting with such prowess that he made his way into Quarter finals of the Known World Novice Tourney at Pennsic. Scroll Limned by THL Mea the Bold with Calligraphy by Duchess Anna Blackleaf. Their Majesties were also truly impressed by the martial feats of Lord Rouland of Willowbrooke. At the age of 15 he completed a deed of arms to 1000 bouts in the span of merely 7 days at the Pennsic War. Their Majesties bestowed upon him the Aethelmearc Award of Excellence with a scroll by Lady Mary Elizabeth Clason, with words by Lady Mary Elizabeth Clason and Mistress Gillian Llwelyn. Lord Vladimir Two swords was called forward, as he had conducted a William Marshal Tournament for the Heavy Fighters that day, which Sir Kadan Chakhilghan had won, and Their Majesties asked Vlad to pass on to him Tablet woven trim Made by THL Katla Ulfhethinn. Their Majesties had more business with Vlad Twoswords since he had won the bearpit tourney that had been conducted at Hervest Raids the week before, and Therio Majesties presented him with a scroll to commemorate that occasion painted by Lady Isabella of Sylvan Glen with calligraphy by Mistress Gillian Llwelyn. Dona Sasha Grey was called forth and Their Majesties thanked her for making Them the fine garb in which They appeared, and inducted Dona Sasha as a Royal Stitcher and Clothier. Further They noted that she was always one of the most polite and calm people about the list and that her gentility, grace and positive spirit affected the honor and decorum of those around her and so Their Majesties inducted her into the Order of the Cornelian. Scrolls by Mistress Matilda Bosville de Bella Aqua and THL Colette de Paris. Their Majesties called forth Her Majesty?s Rapier Champion Herr Josef Kildonen. Herr Josef had conducted a tournament that day to name his successor as Her Majesty?s Champion and was proud to announce that Master Donnan MacDuibhshithe had bested all others in the tourney. Her Majesty thanked Herr Josef and gave him a ring from her finger and presented Master Donnan with a Leather belt favor made by Lord Reyanrd le Vavaseur as they transferred the regalia of the Champion. Scroll limned by Lady Gwenhwyvar Morwyn, calligraphy by Pani Zofia Kowalewska, with words by Lady Beatrice de Winter. Her Majesty further called forth Lord William Parris and gave him a woven favor made by Mistress Mahin Banu Tabrizi for his valiant efforts in giving Master Donnan a suitable opponent to fight in the final rounds. Their Majesties called forward Lady Emily of Dunvagen. They had a gift for her and presented her with a small box wrapped in twine and bid her open it and tell all what she saw. Inside she found a scroll wrapped tightly and cut in half, and upon inspection she determined that this was Master Quinn Kerr?s half of her cadet contract. Their Majesties Called for Master Quinn to explain this. Master Quinn said that there was nothing more he could teach her in the school of fence and took back the blue scarf that she wore as his cadet. Her Majesty summoned Her order of the White Scarf and asked them if they would have this woman numbered among them since Master Quinn had released her. Her Majesty called for a scarf and Master Quinn produced a fine silk scarf made by his Lady Brynn Kerr and presented it to Her Majesty to tie about Lady Emily?s arm. Scroll limned by Lady Sthurrim Caithnes calligraphy by Mistress Gillian Llwelyn. His Majesty thanked the populace and especially the Shire of Sunderoak for the event, and set forth this day as a challenge to all of His descendents to make the Queen?s Rapier Champion Event a tradition throughout Aethelmearc. Herr Josef Begged the boon to speak as to the second tourney of the day and announced that Dona Illadore de Bedegrayne had won the Bear Pit Tourney with 49 wins, and Don Benedict Fergus ate Mede had come in second with 26 wins in this tourney. Court Closed. From stefanlirous at austin.rr.com Wed Oct 7 01:14:31 2009 From: stefanlirous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:14:31 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Stefan's Florilegium article for October Message-ID: <29672_1254892491_n975EohM012980_E957CFC7-F415-4BB5-8B1D-A53C9E1C95D0@austin.rr.com> Greetings to the Gentles of Known World, Here is a copy of my Florilegium article for October detailing what is new in the Florilegium this month. I am always looking for good articles for the Florilegium. If you have researched a little known subject in our period or you practice a little known art or craft, writing an article is an excellent way to introduce others to the work you've done. I'm especially interested in academic papers written for A&S contests because, unfortunately, few have time at such an event to read them. Even the judges. Getting them published in the Florilegium lets your hard word benefit the entire Known World. I have heard that the GeoCities free websites are going away. If you have such a site with SCA-type files and don't wish to move to the pay version, the files that you have worked so hard to produce, may make a good addition to the Florilegium. I am in the process of moving several articles on tablet weaving by Eve the Just from GeoCities to the Florilegium and would be happy to consider more. Thanks, Stefan ========== A Blending of the Past and Present Over the past nineteen years in an ongoing effort, I have been collecting bits of useful information from various newsgroups, mail lists and articles submitted to me by their authors. In order to make this information available to others, I have placed this information in a collection of files I call Stefan's Florilegium. The Florilegium is on the web at: http://www.florilegium.org I am always interested in new articles. If you have written an article that would be of interest to others in the SCA, please send it to me for possible inclusion in the Florilegium. A&S documentation and class handouts will also often work out well. I am especially interested in A&S papers. THLord Stefan li Rous Ansteorra stefan at florilegium.org Here are the new files for this month: In the CELEBRATIONS AND EVENTS section: SC-Estrela-09-msg The Siege Cooking Contest at the Estrella War in 2009. In the COMMERCE section: Chndler-Guild-art "A Brief History of the Worshipful Company of Waxchandlers, London from the 13th to 17th Centuries" by Lady Kate the Candelmaker. In the DISABILITIES section: Sign-Lang-Wed-art "Wedding Vows Performed in 'Sign Language', and Signs in Other Ceremonies" by Lady ?sfr??r Ulfv??ard?ttir. In the EQUESTRIAN section: Hors-Gme-Eqmt-art "Equipment for Equestrian Games" by Lady Lyonet Lamoureux. In the FOOD-UTENSILS section: cppr-utn-care-msg Care and cleaning of copper utensils. potry-utn-care-msg Care of pottery cooking utensils. In the HOME, SWEET HOME section: Fire-Starting-art "Period fire starting and Archimedes Death Ray" by Viscount Sir Corin Anderson. In the NEWCOMERS section: SCA-Housholds-art "Introduction to SCA Households" by Maistor Justinos Tekton called Justin. In the PENNSIC section: P-Sanitation-art "Pennsic Sanitation for the Compleat Idiot" by Qatagin-u Jajiradai (called Master Jaji). In the SCA-INC section: SCA-oaths-msg Swearing oaths in the SCA. Peerage and Officer oaths. In the TEXTILE ARTS section: Int-Dyeing-FC-art "Introduction to Dyeing: Food Coloring" by Mistress Alienor Fitzhenry, OL. Here are the updated files for this month: dairy-prod-msg Dairy products. milk, butter, curds, cream. berries-msg Period berries and berry recipes. glasswork-msg Stained glass, glass etching. glassblowing. high-alt-ckng-msg Cooking medieval food and feasts at high altitudes. mustard-msg Mustard seed in period. sauces. recipes. soup-msg Medieval soups. Cooking soups at events. recipes. West-hist-msg Histories of the West Kingdom. --- Copyright 2009, Mark S. Harris. Permission to reprint in SCA-related publications is hereby granted if the file descriptions are left unchanged. Removing any of the updated files listed in order to fit the article into limited publication space is allowed. The article introduction may also be edited, provided the web address and contact info are retained. -------- THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous at austin.rr.com **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org **** From iambroom at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 06:16:19 2009 From: iambroom at gmail.com (Broom) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 06:16:19 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Happy October Saints, everyone! Message-ID: <29671_1254923914_n97DwXcm006051_27463_1254910607_n97AGkH0003040_157e1af90910070316x4d3c1321nfc0fdfe1d303823d@mail.gmail.com> Sts. Francis of Assissi, Luke the Apostle, and 10,001 assorted virgins are all saints celebrated this month... http://gotmedieval.blogspot.com/2009/10/october-saints-calendar.html ' | Broom IAmBroom @ gmail . com ' | cellphone: 412-389-1997 ' | 162 Broadway Rd, Trumbull CT 06611 '\|/ "Discere et docere", which means: '/|\ "Recently I realized that I waste my life on the internet ? and //|\\ published this insight in a blog." - dooya, OneSentence.org ---------- From rufinasca at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 12:21:55 2009 From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:21:55 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] OT: sort of - help with pilgrim/elizbthn factoids Message-ID: <20683_1254932523_n97GM2cJ023059_88ccaae90910070921q1ed0d87ar38f3dcb768f84431@mail.gmail.com> sorry about the bandwidth, but this list was the best source for what i need that i could think of... i'm working on building, with my classmates, an interactive learning game simulation dealing with 'the pilgrims'. we have 4 areas for learners to visit and i'm in charge of the "leaving england" area. which is cool, cause i know what it's supposed to look like ;) my problem is that i need to put little bits of interesting information into my game tokens. ok, if it was norse, i'd just quote the havamal...but for that period in england, i'm kinda lost. i figured if i asked YOU guys to send me little factoids, i'd be ahead of the game 'cause i'd KNOW they were right. things like "william shksper died 4 years before the pilgrams left for the new world." (i made that up, i have no idea how he fits into the time period.) anything that is about england/holland at the time. NO, this isn't cheating - this is *RESEARCH* - i'm accessing the best source available ;) and my prof wouldn't care anyway, he thinks the sca is cool. so if anyone wants to send me a tidbit, i'd be eternally grateful. i don't have anything to offer in trade unless someone wants an outdated peer card. oh. and funny is good. and we're aiming towards a fourth grade audience, so no dirty stuff please. :) or ok, i might like those :) thanks in advance!! rufina From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 12:37:50 2009 From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] OT: sort of - help with pilgrim/elizbthn factoids In-Reply-To: <20683_1254932523_n97GM2cJ023059_88ccaae90910070921q1ed0d87ar38f3dcb768f84431@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <305_1254933486_n97Gc5Zr010401_538.843.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have you looked at the Pymouth Plantation website? http://www.plimoth.org/ ? You could also check Wikipedia for happenings in the 1610s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1610s_in_England?and 1620s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1620s_in_England? I recognize that most profs won't let you use Wikipedia as a source, but once you find info there, you can research it from better sites afterward. Oh, and you're right - Shakespeare died in 1616. Arianna --- On Wed, 10/7/09, L.J. Rodriguez wrote: From: L.J. Rodriguez Subject: [SCA-AE] OT: sort of - help with pilgrim/elizbthn factoids To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 12:21 PM sorry about the bandwidth, but this list was the best source for what i need that i could think of... i'm working on building, with my classmates, an interactive learning game simulation dealing with 'the pilgrims'. we have 4 areas for learners to visit and i'm in charge of the "leaving england" area. which is cool, cause i know what it's supposed to look like ;) my problem is that i need to put little bits of interesting information into my game tokens. ok, if it was norse, i'd just quote the havamal...but for that period in england, i'm kinda lost. i figured if i asked YOU guys to send me little factoids, i'd be ahead of the game 'cause i'd KNOW they were right. things like "william shksper died 4 years before the pilgrams left for the new world."???(i made that up, i have no idea how he fits into the time period.)? anything that is about england/holland at the time. NO, this isn't cheating - this is *RESEARCH* - i'm accessing the best source available ;)? and my prof wouldn't care anyway, he thinks the sca is cool. so if anyone wants to send me a tidbit, i'd be eternally grateful. i don't have anything to offer in trade unless someone wants an outdated peer card. oh. and funny is good. and we're aiming towards a fourth grade audience, so no dirty stuff please. :)? or ok, i might like those :) thanks in advance!! rufina _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . 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Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ I am happy to announce that online registration for AEthelmearc Crown Tourney is now available. To register online and pay by credit card, go to http://acceps.ansteorra.org/regit/event_main.php, select the kingdom of AEthelmearc, select Aethelmearc Crown Tourney, and follow the instructions. Pre-registration via this ACCEPS connection will be available until Thursday, October 15th. Pre-registration helps to speed your troll-in and will give you a ticket for a lunch plate with extra goodies not available on the dayboard! If you have questions, please contact me. Mathilde des Pyrenees, co-autocrat, AEthelmearc Crown Tourney mathilde51 AT yahoo.com (Yes, we know that our shire name has been misspelled, and we are hoping to have that fixed. :-)? ) From ddfr at daviddfriedman.com Wed Oct 7 14:22:46 2009 From: ddfr at daviddfriedman.com (David Friedman) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:22:46 -0700 Subject: [SCA-AE] Norse Riddle In-Reply-To: <18709_1254812870_n9677n1v019195_p06240803c6f082fceb86@[192.168.1.76]> References: <18924_1253154124_n8H2M31b013118_71051BB961B9442EA34ABE2C866583A4@Torvaldr PC> <26067_1253167725_n8H68i1c021330_p06240811c6d7761c330e@[192.168.1.25]> <18709_1254812870_n9677n1v019195_p06240803c6f082fceb86@[192.168.1.76]> Message-ID: <19870_1254940165_n97ITOn8021089_p0624080cc6f2893b6d93@[192.168.1.89]> I wrote: >Here's another: > >Because I was overlooked >One who could >Gave me to one who could not >To use as he did not intend. >-- >David/Cariadoc >www.daviddfriedman.com Three different people correctly answered it: Mistletoe. I believe that Hrefna in heppna was the first. I'll be happy to explain answers if people want me to. Here's another one. Note that all of the riddles depend on knowledge of the Northmen, but some hinge on their myths, others on the sagas, others on their poetry. Part of me Bought all of me From a bloody weapon's hold; Whose head am I? -- David/Cariadoc www.daviddfriedman.com From grm at andrew.cmu.edu Wed Oct 7 14:33:09 2009 From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:33:09 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Ride to AEthelmearc AEcademy (share ride and other) Message-ID: <12432_1254940421_n97IXekd023943_A606FDAE2F305AE7BC5ED049@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU> Hi Folks, I am in need of a ride (and hopefully be able to tag onto crash space/hotel space with whoever I ride with) to AEthelmearc AEcademy. I'm located in Pittsburgh (specifically either Carnegie Mellon/Oakmont, or Dormont which is a couple miles south of the city). I promise to pay for gas and help with other expenses, and if I can stay wherever you are staying, not put you out too much with transporation (I snore but am otherwise good company). Thanks much! toodles, margaret From carwinr at aol.com Wed Oct 7 17:28:17 2009 From: carwinr at aol.com (carwinr) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:28:17 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Norse Riddle References: <18924_1253154124_n8H2M31b013118_71051BB961B9442EA34ABE2C866583A4@TorvaldrPC><26067_1253167725_n8H68i1c021330_p06240811c6d7761c330e@[192.168.1.25]><18709_1254812870_n9677n1v019195_p06240803c6f082fceb86@[192.168.1.76]> <19870_1254940165_n97ITOn8021089_p0624080cc6f2893b6d93@[192.168.1.89]> Message-ID: <4469_1254950910_n97LST0H008206_932392E1C252468885272F7295BDF530@WebDiva> I would like the explanation, please! (Off List is fine.) Clarice ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Friedman" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: [SCA-AE] Norse Riddle >I wrote: > >>Here's another: >> >>Because I was overlooked >>One who could >>Gave me to one who could not >>To use as he did not intend. >>-- >>David/Cariadoc >>www.daviddfriedman.com > > > Three different people correctly answered it: > > Mistletoe. > > I believe that Hrefna in heppna was the first. > > I'll be happy to explain answers if people want me to. > > Here's another one. Note that all of the riddles depend on knowledge > of the Northmen, but some hinge on their myths, others on the sagas, > others on their poetry. > > Part of me > Bought all of me > From a bloody weapon's hold; > Whose head am I? > > -- > David/Cariadoc > www.daviddfriedman.com > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From baron-dur at lazerlink.net Wed Oct 7 18:07:29 2009 From: baron-dur at lazerlink.net (Baron Dur of Hidden Mountain) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:07:29 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] OT: sort of - help with pilgrim/elizbthn factoids In-Reply-To: <20683_1254932523_n97GM2cJ023059_88ccaae90910070921q1ed0d87ar38f3dcb768f84431@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6587_1254953260_n97M7dWA000537_C6F28961.37C1%baron-dur@lazerlink.net> On 10/7/09 12:21 PM, "L.J. Rodriguez" wrote: > sorry about the bandwidth, but this list was the best source for what i need > that i could think of... > > i'm working on building, with my classmates, an interactive learning game > simulation dealing with 'the pilgrims'. we have 4 areas for learners to > visit and i'm in charge of the "leaving england" area. which is cool, cause > i know what it's supposed to look like ;) > > my problem is that i need to put little bits of interesting information into > my game tokens. ok, if it was norse, i'd just quote the havamal...but for > that period in england, i'm kinda lost. i figured if i asked YOU guys to > send me little factoids, i'd be ahead of the game 'cause i'd KNOW they were > right. things like "william shksper died 4 years before the pilgrams left > for the new world." (i made that up, i have no idea how he fits into the > time period.) anything that is about england/holland at the time. > > NO, this isn't cheating - this is *RESEARCH* - i'm accessing the best source > available ;) and my prof wouldn't care anyway, he thinks the sca is cool. > > so if anyone wants to send me a tidbit, i'd be eternally grateful. i don't > have anything to offer in trade unless someone wants an outdated peer card. > > oh. and funny is good. and we're aiming towards a fourth grade audience, so > no dirty stuff please. :) or ok, i might like those :) > > thanks in advance!! > > rufina Bismallah Assalam O Alykum Wa Ramatullah Wa Barakatuh Oh, this is tough. We have to prove that we are smarter than a fourth grader. Still looking for the peer in the (golf cart) headlights. Ma'a al Hob wa al Salam, mukhtar durr end ================================================================ Mukhtar durr al-jabal al-mukhfi http://tinyurl.com/dbp63