From myfanwy at nauticom.net Fri Jan 2 05:49:08 2009 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:49:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Wafer recipes (was Re: Recipe Needed) In-Reply-To: <20081231.175507.-236147.0.peregrine.lp@juno.com> References: <20081231.175507.-236147.0.peregrine.lp@juno.com> Message-ID: <51831.209.195.147.252.1230893348.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! The time I made the actual marzipan tart recipe, I thought that it wasn't coming out quite as described in the recipe. I actually had the opposite problem, as I recall (it was for an event I went to close to 20 years ago at this point) -- I didn't think the marzipan was stiff enough, because I couldn't seem to get the "pattern" to come out right. For all of those interested, this is the redaction from _Savoring the Past_ (which was, BTW, the one of the first books I ever got on medieval cooking, along with _To the King's Taste_). Again, this is the author's redaction, not mine. Marzipan Tarts marzipan: 2 cups blanched powdered almonds 3/4 cup granulated sugar 1/4 cup rosewater crusts: 3 dozen sugar wafers (_petit mestiers_) icing: 1 egg white 2 Tbsp. sugar juice & grated rind of 1/2 an orange Combine almonds and sugar in a food processor, then, while it's running, slowly add enough rosewater to make a paste without being sloppy (the author says to add more almond if it's runny). Preheat oven to 350?. Spread each wafer with about 2 tsp. of marzipan, right up to the edge. Smooth with a spatula, then mark a squared pattern in the marzipan. Bake on an ungreased baking sheet for 4 minutes. Beat the egg white till just slightly foamy and then stir in sugar, juice and orange rind. Remove pan from oven, brush surface of wafers with icing, then bake another 2 minutes, till surface is dry, and cool on wire racks. Note: When I did this the first time, I blanched the almonds myself -- trust me, when you're making enough for 65 people, it's not as easy as it looks on the _Good Eats_ baklava episode. Now, when I'm making almond paste or marzipan I cheat and by sliced or slivered blanched almonds in bulk down in Pittsburgh's Strip District, or buy pre-made (although that's a lot more expensive, even if you're buying in bulk -- I've been known on occasion to buy #10 can sizes). The author says that you can freeze these, but I haven't tried; she also says that you can use the _oublies_ recipe and that "they will be sweeter and very chewy." I'm also not sure if doing this in a mortar and pestle will get you a better (i.e., more "powdered") result with the almonds; I've also done it in a blender but it worked better in a food processor, especially now that I have one with a heavier-duty motor, partly because I could do more at a time without clogging up the blade. Another problem I had, IIRC, was that any "pattern" was lost when I brushed on the icing. I had never worked with almond paste or marzipan before I made these, so I wasn't sure what the consistency should actually be like when I was done. Now that I have a French-English dictionary (plus access to Intertran online) I may at some point go back to the original text, which is provided by the author, and try redacting it myself to see whether I come up with something that works better (years ago I made 18 POUNDS of marzipan for a Twelfth Night subtlety, doing repeated double batches in my old Rival food processor, which had a smaller bowl as well as a wimpier motor than my current Cuisinart. Hope this helps. Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > Thank you! Would it be too much trouble to look up the marzipan tarts > recipe too? Coating the wafers with marzipan is a daunting prospect, > having never worked with marzipan or wafers (pizzelles, yes). How would > one do that? Wouldn't the marzipan be thick and hard to spread? > > Peregrine > > > On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:34:08 -0500 (EST) myfanwy at nauticom.net writes: >>> there's also an earlier recipe in the same book, from Michel de >> Nostradamous for Marzipan Tarts, in which you make >> rosewater-flavored >> marzipan and coat the wafers with it, then make a glaze of orange >> juice, >> orange rind, eggwhite and sugar. I think I may have made the wafers >> at >> least one time with rosewater, though. >> > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From moniczka at twcny.rr.com Fri Jan 2 06:35:27 2009 From: moniczka at twcny.rr.com (Moniczka) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:35:27 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] SITE CHANGE!! Message-ID: <50C9813A3A494A7AB747954C47DB2C66@MoniczkaPC> Due to contract problems, the site for the Feast of the 7 Deadly Sins has been changed! Please check the new flyer below, and feel free to forward this to any other lists. YIS Moniczka Poznanska & Gillian McGill Autocrats The Feast of the Seven Deadly Sins - CHANGE OF VENUE Barony of Delftwood, Syracuse NY February 7th, 2009 Come with us and tumble down the Tunnel of Time from the beautiful Barony of Delftwood in Syracuse NY, into the streets of medieval Siracusa in Sicily! The Feast of the Seven Deadly Sins will make its' appearance on Saturday, February 7th, 2009, within the Ukrainian National Club, 125 Washington St, Auburn NY, 13021. Doors will open at 9:00a.m. and close promptly at 11:00 p.m. Seek advice from il Padrino and his merry troupe of buskers known as the Sins! Enjoy a special Sicilian-inspired feast! Rejoice in the Den of Iniquity (over 18 only) and take part in the "Fabulous Hat Contest" or our Arts and Sciences Competition. This year's theme: The 7 Deadly Sins in Any Media (except alcoholic, please). As always, rapier play is encouraged with a tournament for all comers, and our Baronial Championship to be decided! Keep in mind that we will have a Bardic competition, and select our Baronial Bardic Champion as well. The site is damp, however , ALL alcohol must be purchased in the UNC Bar (Sorry, only one this year!). This site is Handicap Accessible. Only enclosed flames are allowed at feast. Our Co- Autocrats for the day are THL Moniczka Elzbietka Poznanska ( Martha Powers, 253 Seymour Street, Auburn NY 13021 (315) 515-3086, moniczka at twcny.rr.com ) and Lady Gillian McGill, 4 No. Fulton St. Auburn NY 13021 (gmcgdeverona at gmail.com) Our Head Cook is Thegn Oeric Lestrange, who may be contacted with dietary concerns at chronicler at delftwood.org (use "Seven Deadlies" in the subject line). Merchants are always welcome, our liaison is Lady Fenris McGill ( ladyfenris at verizon.net ), please contact her before January 23rd, as space is limited. (Tables are available on site.) Costs for this day of sinful merriment are $8.00 for the day, plus $8.00 for Feast. (12 and under, half price, babes-in-arms are free). Reservations may be sent to our tollner, Baron Cyneric Drakenheorte (James Lienhart), at Barony of Delftwood, P.O.Box 6694, Syracuse NY 13217. (Checks made payable to "SCA - Barony of Delftwood") Feast reservations must be in by February 2nd, 2009. If you are coming from Canada, please contact the Tollner at exchequer at delftwood.org ,before sending your reservation. The only reservation is a paid reservation. Directions: (More details available through Yahoo! Maps or Map-Quest) Take your best route to I-90 exit #40 at Weedsport, follow Hwy 34 thru Weedsport to Auburn. Turn right onto Cottage St, follow Cottage St to Washington St. The Ukrainian Club is on the corner of Cottage and Washington. Parking is behind the building off Cottage St. From fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com Thu Jan 1 12:05:03 2009 From: fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com (fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:05:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Dutch waffles pic...was Recipe Needed In-Reply-To: References: <000001c96a1f$20617c80$1001a8c0@otter><57630ae90812291823l5423d09at87c6d506015c3964@mail.gmail.com> <50260.209.195.147.252.1230732011.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: Woops..remembered wrong. Painting by Joachim de Beuckelaer, 1550. Page 114 in "The Art of Dining; a history of cooking & eating" by Sara Paston-Williams. Very interesting picture with other neat stuff found in a home besides the wafering iron, it's support ring over a fire, foods and dishes. Maria P Linda at classactfabrics.com http://www.classactfabrics.com > In one of my cook books there are pictures of 'common folk' and peasants > in food situations by Pieter Aertesen. One was of a family with the young > woman making 'waffles' on a large iron. > I'll have to dig out my book tonite and find the details. > From yvianne at zoominternet.net Fri Jan 2 09:29:09 2009 From: yvianne at zoominternet.net (Yvianne) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:29:09 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] youth combat rules meeting Message-ID: I have been asked to disseminate the following information Apologies to all who get this missive multiple times The Youth Combat website (http://youthfighting.aethelmearc.net) has just been updated to include information on the next meeting for discussing revisions to the youth combat rules. For those of you interested, the next meeting will be at Kingdom 12th Night Shire of Riversedge (Meadville, PA) January 10, 2009 3:00-4:30pm (between the glove making class and court) Please feel free to contact the Chancellor of the Youth Marshal Academy THLady Jenna Macpherson (Email link available on the youth combat site) or post to the list if you have questions YIS Yvianne From swally at alltel.net Fri Jan 2 09:59:28 2009 From: swally at alltel.net (stevemarciw) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:59:28 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Kingdom Regalia Reminder Message-ID: Just a reminder... People of Aethelmearc ? Nobles All... A new office has been created in this our fair Kingdom. I am humbled to have accepted the office of Kingdom Regalia Coordinator. This office will be in charge of the creation and conservation of Kingdom regalia. This office will work together with the Chamberlain's office and the presiding Royalty to make decisions on what needs to be done. This office will search for volunteers to make and restore needed regalia items. This office will not make personal garb for royalty. When necessary, this office will take formal bids for larger regalia items that may be needed. If you have an idea for a project or would like to offer a talent that you possess, please do not be shy. Do not feel that your work is not good enough or that someone else might do it better. As a Kingdom we need to work together, from the smallest child to the most decorated peer, to do whatever we can to make this most glorious Kingdom of Aethelmearc shine. There will be a table at Kingdom 12th Night for those gentles who wish to sign up to help with projects, leave ideas for projects, or drop off donations of non synthetic fabrics and trims. Please contact me with any questions, comments or suggestions that you may have. Most Humbly and Always, Marsi THBaroness Marsi of Hadley MKA Marci L Waleff 417 Milledgeville Road Hadley, PA 16130 swally at alltel.net 724-253-3636 724-866-4149 From swally at alltel.net Fri Jan 2 10:00:58 2009 From: swally at alltel.net (stevemarciw) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:00:58 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest Message-ID: Dessert chefs old and new. Those who like to eat what is beautiful, bountiful, and palatable to... Please do not hesitate to enter your favorite sweet treat in the Kingdom 12th Night Subtleties competition. Judges will sample and photograph all entries. All entries will likewise be sampled by the populace attending the feast. From ravenstyx at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 18:01:43 2009 From: ravenstyx at yahoo.com (Raven Styx) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:01:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] It's the Guest Editor again Message-ID: <503092.74067.qm@web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greetings to all of Aethelmearc and a happy and prosperous New Year to all, With the Christmas holiday over and 12th Night on its way. I wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that we are still accepting submissions for the 2009 AESTEL Arts and Sciences Edition. The long winter nights of January and February are perfect for finally putting those thoughts for an article or poem or short story you've had down on paper. Sketch out that drawing that's been floating around in your head. Anything related to the arts and sciences may be submitted. The deadline for submissions is March 1, 2009. If you have questions, please contact me at ravenstyx at yahoo dot com or call me at 304-886-1234. In service, Lady Hrefna Ulfvarinnsdottir Some people have a wonderful capacity to appreciate again and again, freshly and naively, the basic goods of life, with awe, pleasure, wonder, and even ecstasy.- A.H. Maslow- Are you one of them? From jfkyle at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 18:03:11 2009 From: jfkyle at gmail.com (john kyle) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:03:11 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] health of Ulfr hinn svarti Juzki Message-ID: to those who have been concerned over the health of ulfr hinn svarti juzki, aka ulfr, aka "doc", mka dirk romito. ulfr has returned to the hospital for the last several days. he has not been awake for much of that time. despite this setback he and his lady wife still hope to attend Kingdom 12th night this January 10. if ulfr is able to attend Kingdom 12th night in the shire of riversedge (meadville, pa) i am sure he will be happy to share this time with all good gentles. sionn, the lost From iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net Sat Jan 3 00:03:37 2009 From: iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net (Iain mac an Bhaird) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:03:37 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations Message-ID: <200901030509.n0359Jm3007905@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> Greetings all! A question for the fighting community: I am looking for a pair of *good* clamshell gauntlets. The problem: my hands are not a standard size (proportionately, I have long fingers) and thus I have had problems with 'off the shelf' gauntlets already (those are for sale if anyone is interested...). In other words, I understand that I may need to have a set custom made and thus I am looking for recommendations from those who have clamshells that they are really happy with. After all, I like my hands :) I will happily take replies off-list unless this is a topic of great interest to others. Thanks! -Iain From syrfinn at yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 01:04:24 2009 From: syrfinn at yahoo.com (Syrfinn) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:04:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations In-Reply-To: <200901030509.n0359Jm3007905@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <941257.2061.qm@web110803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bokalo Armory tends to have really good ones, for a good price. I have a set and recommend highly. Finn --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Iain mac an Bhaird wrote: > From: Iain mac an Bhaird > Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 12:03 AM > Greetings all! > A question for the fighting community: > > I am looking for a pair of *good* clamshell gauntlets. The > problem: > my hands are not a standard size (proportionately, I have > long > fingers) and thus I have had problems with 'off the > shelf' gauntlets > already (those are for sale if anyone is interested...). > In other > words, I understand that I may need to have a set custom > made and > thus I am looking for recommendations from those who have > clamshells > that they are really happy with. After all, I like my > hands :) > > I will happily take replies off-list unless this is a topic > of great > interest to others. > > Thanks! > -Iain > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From koredono at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 10:09:50 2009 From: koredono at gmail.com (Sir Koredono) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:09:50 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations In-Reply-To: <200901030509.n0359Jm3007905@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> References: <200901030509.n0359Jm3007905@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <00a83c9888051ab7a3cd8b3389437020@gmail.com> On Jan 3, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Syrfinn wrote: > Bokalo Armory tends to have really good ones, for a good price. I have > a set and recommend highly. Bokalo's are quite good (and I am similarly happy with the EGG ones I have, for similar reasons - inexpensive, almost indestructible, protect our hands well, light construction material), but if Iain's having problems with "off the shelf"-size gauntlets, neither of these may work for him (several local people have had sizing / protection problems with both of these designs), and I'd strongly recommend he not buy either until he's had an opportunity to 'test drive' a pair, since neither vendor does custom sizes (they each make the sizes they make, and that's it). I suppose the next question really comes down to: how much are you willing to spend, for a possibly custom-made pair? The two mentioned above run $125 - $150 (last time I priced them) - possibly the cheapest 'decent' ones available - and are the best ones by far for the price range, and better ones can easily run several times that. > Finn Koredono From duane at velocity.net Sat Jan 3 10:14:39 2009 From: duane at velocity.net (Duane Wilkey) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:14:39 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations In-Reply-To: <00a83c9888051ab7a3cd8b3389437020@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91D8877FAA5C4C289236E824A15DEB59@DADSBOX> Trovaldr makes decent clamshells and he'll do custom sizes to boot. He's now located in McKean , PA (Near Erie). He turn around time on custom stuff is pretty good. He'll be at 12th Night if you'd like to talk to him. Alexander >-----Original Message----- >From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+duane=velocity.net at lists.andrew.cmu.edu >[mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+duane=velocity.net at lists.andrew.cmu.edu ] On >Behalf Of Sir Koredono >Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:10 AM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations > > >On Jan 3, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Syrfinn wrote: > >> Bokalo Armory tends to have really good ones, for a good price. I have >> a set and recommend highly. > >Bokalo's are quite good (and I am similarly happy with the EGG ones I >have, for similar reasons - inexpensive, almost indestructible, protect >our hands well, light construction material), but if Iain's having >problems with "off the shelf"-size gauntlets, neither of these may work >for him (several local people have had sizing / protection problems >with both of these designs), and I'd strongly recommend he not buy >either until he's had an opportunity to 'test drive' a pair, since >neither vendor does custom sizes (they each make the sizes they make, >and that's it). > >I suppose the next question really comes down to: how much are you >willing to spend, for a possibly custom-made pair? The two mentioned >above run $125 - $150 (last time I priced them) - possibly the cheapest >'decent' ones available - and are the best ones by far for the price >range, and better ones can easily run several times that. > > >> Finn > > >Koredono > >_______________________________________________________________________ __ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_______________________________________________________________________ __ From caryl at faerhaga.org Sat Jan 3 10:35:18 2009 From: caryl at faerhaga.org (Caryl) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations In-Reply-To: <200901030509.n0359Jm3007905@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: Just be careful to check out the thumb design. Egg gauntlets have allowed nasty injuries to happen because they have no support to prevent the thumb from hyper-extending. Just ask Yngvar or Olafr how fun that surgery is. -Caryl From sunshadow at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 3 10:57:15 2009 From: sunshadow at twcny.rr.com (F. Page Steinhardt) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:57:15 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495F8ADB.3020108@twcny.rr.com> I do not know if Mac is still making gauntlets, his are some of the best for protecting from the thumb injury suffered by Yngvar and Olafr. You will pay a premium for his work if he still does it, but cheaper than the surgery. Good work is not cheap, cheap work is not usually good. -Thorpe Caryl wrote: > Just be careful to check out the thumb design. Egg gauntlets have allowed > nasty injuries to happen because they have no support to prevent the thumb > from hyper-extending. Just ask Yngvar or Olafr how fun that surgery is. > > -Caryl > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- http://www.sunshadowdesign.com Without craftsmanship there is no art, only a sad suggestion of what could have been. From katriona at stny.rr.com Sat Jan 3 11:12:13 2009 From: katriona at stny.rr.com (Kat Sulliivan) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:12:13 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caryl" To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations > Just be careful to check out the thumb design. Egg gauntlets have allowed > nasty injuries to happen because they have no support to prevent the thumb > from hyper-extending. Just ask Yngvar or Olafr how fun that surgery is. > > -Caryl > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 3 12:52:11 2009 From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:52:11 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] AS Calendar Year Dates Message-ID: <000001c96dcc$047a4e10$1001a8c0@otter> Greetings All, I have a dilemma which I hope someone out there can help with. I am trying to compile an updated list of members of a certain order and have found most scrolls only have the AS year listed. Since our society years begin and end differently than the conventional calendar I am wondering if someone out there has compiled a list of AS calendar years for a layperson to go by? If so, could you please post it as a reference? Many Thanks, Biotta From cat.the.elf at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 12:56:48 2009 From: cat.the.elf at gmail.com (Linda Ullman) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:56:48 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] AS Calendar Year Dates In-Reply-To: <000001c96dcc$047a4e10$1001a8c0@otter> References: <000001c96dcc$047a4e10$1001a8c0@otter> Message-ID: Biotta, That can be found here: http://www.sca.org/links/calendar.html Cat On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, FRANK BENZ wrote: > Greetings All, > > > > I have a dilemma which I hope someone out there can help with. I am trying > to compile an updated list of members of a certain order and have found > most > scrolls only have the AS year listed. Since our society years begin and > end > differently than the conventional calendar I am wondering if someone out > there has compiled a list of AS calendar years for a layperson to go by? > If > so, could you please post it as a reference? > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > Biotta > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- Linda Ullman Caitriona inghean Ui Bhraonain, Better known as Cat Hopeless Name Geek Fiber Fiend From iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net Sat Jan 3 12:49:01 2009 From: iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net (Iain mac an Bhaird) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:49:01 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <200901030509.n0359Jm3007905@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <200901031759.n03HxQ31028593@mx3.andrew.cmu.edu> >Just be careful to check out the thumb design. Egg gauntlets have allowed >nasty injuries to happen because they have no support to prevent the thumb >from hyper-extending. Just ask Yngvar or Olafr how fun that surgery is. And Master Rian too, IIRC... yes, I've heard of this problem and have discarded EGG from my list awhile ago. I liked the design of Alchemy's which has an additional plate over the thumb joint to further protect the thumb and prevent that hyper-extension, but I've gotten no replies from them so I can only assume they are no longer in business. Does anyone know any better on that count? Thanks! -Iain From iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net Sat Jan 3 13:04:16 2009 From: iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net (Iain mac an Bhaird) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:04:16 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations In-Reply-To: <00a83c9888051ab7a3cd8b3389437020@gmail.com> References: <200901030509.n0359Jm3007905@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> <00a83c9888051ab7a3cd8b3389437020@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901031759.n03HxTD6028646@mx3.andrew.cmu.edu> >I suppose the next question really comes down to: how much are you >willing to spend, for a possibly custom-made pair? I like my hands. I would like for them to continue working properly. They are my livelihood. Though I can't say 'money is no object' (since I can't quite justify $750 custom finger gauntlets :) I do realize the price range we're discussing. I appreciate all of the recommendations I've received so far. I am perfectly willing to find some of the armourers already mentioned and try on their wares. The ones that are willing to do custom work even more so, since those are the ones that I can show my hands and say "here's what we have to work with". That said, I'll certainly take more recommendations :) Thanks!! -Iain From calvertdegrey at msn.com Sat Jan 3 13:03:27 2009 From: calvertdegrey at msn.com (Rich G) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:03:27 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] AS Calendar Year Dates In-Reply-To: <000001c96dcc$047a4e10$1001a8c0@otter> References: <000001c96dcc$047a4e10$1001a8c0@otter> Message-ID: > I have a dilemma which I hope someone out there can help with. I am trying > to compile an updated list of members of a certain order and have found most > scrolls only have the AS year listed. Since our society years begin and end > differently than the conventional calendar I am wondering if someone out > there has compiled a list of AS calendar years for a layperson to go by? If > so, could you please post it as a reference? Here ya go, Biotta... AS I: May 1966-April 1967 AS II: May 1967-April 1968 AS III: May 1968-April 1969 AS IV: May 1969-April 1970 AS V: May 1970-April 1971 AS VI: May 1971-April 1972 AS VII: May 1972-April 1973 AS VIII: May 1973-April 1974 AS IX: May 1974-April 1975 AS X: May 1975-April 1976 AS XI: May 1976-April 1977 AS XII: May 1977-April 1978 AS XIII: May 1978-April 1979 AS XIV: May 1979-April 1980 AS XV: May 1980-April 1981 AS XVI: May 1981-April 1982 AS XVII: May 1982-April 1983 AS XVIII: May 1983-April 1984 AS XIX: May 1984-April 1985 AS XX: May 1985-April 1986 AS XXI: May 1986-April 1987 AS XXII: May 1987-April 1988 AS XXIII: May 1988-April 1989 AS XXIV: May 1989-April 1990 AS XXV: May 1990-April 1991 AS XXVI: May 1991-April 1992 AS XXVII: May 1992-April 1993 AS XXVIII: May 1993-April 1994 AS XXIX: May 1994-April 1995 AS XXX: May 1995-April 1996 AS XXXI: May 1996-April 1997 AS XXXII: May 1997-April 1998 AS XXXIII: May 1998-April 1999 AS XXXIV: May 1999-April 2000 AS XXXV: May 2000-April 2001 AS XXXVI: May 2001-April 2002 AS XXXVII: May 2002-April 2003 AS XXXVIII: May 2003-April 2004 AS XXXIX: May 2004-April 2005 AS XL: May 2005-April 2006 AS XLI: May 2006-April 2007 AS XLII: May 2007-April 2008 AS XLIII: May 2008-April 2009 AS XLIV: May 2009-April 2010 AS XLV: May 2010-April 2011 AS XLVI: May 2011-April 2012 AS XLVII: May 2012-April 2013 AS XLVIII: May 2013-April 2014 AS XLIX: May 2014-April 2015 AS L: May 2015-April 2016 Rich Goranson (THL Stephan Calvert deGrey) Amherst, NY, USA (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life" - Henry II of England From koredono at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 13:28:07 2009 From: koredono at gmail.com (Sir Koredono) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 13:28:07 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for clamshell recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6509dd53d5761c183ac433840cd3901e@gmail.com> On Jan 3, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Caryl wrote: > Just be careful to check out the thumb design. It's true - thumb designs can be very wonky, and often very personal. > Egg gauntlets have allowed nasty injuries to happen because they have > no support to prevent the thumb from hyper-extending. I've heard that from a couple of people (Duke Logan being the loudest EGG-hater), but I've been fighting in them for at least 15 years, and have never had a problem with the thumb in that regard. It may be my physiology, it may be my fighting style, it may be just luck. And while it's not perfect, it's a *lot* better than the first two sets of gauntlets I had like that (one from someone who now has a Laurel in armoring, the other from another highly-regarded armorer) for that general type of potential thumb injury. > Just ask Yngvar or Olafr how fun that surgery is. Oh, yeah, it's no good at all. > -Caryl Koredono From campagnella at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 15:01:49 2009 From: campagnella at gmail.com (Amy Reed) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:01:49 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] AS Calendar Year Dates In-Reply-To: <000001c96dcc$047a4e10$1001a8c0@otter> References: <000001c96dcc$047a4e10$1001a8c0@otter> Message-ID: <41c439f40901031201j55e62496ncf7a9388ca2feec8@mail.gmail.com> The SCA.org website has a chart, here is the link. http://www.sca.org/links/calendar.html Baroness Alex On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, FRANK BENZ wrote: > Greetings All, > > > > I have a dilemma which I hope someone out there can help with. I am trying > to compile an updated list of members of a certain order and have found most > scrolls only have the AS year listed. Since our society years begin and end > differently than the conventional calendar I am wondering if someone out > there has compiled a list of AS calendar years for a layperson to go by? If > so, could you please post it as a reference? > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > Biotta > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From muirgens at aol.com Sat Jan 3 17:38:50 2009 From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:38:50 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gulf Wars, anyone? Message-ID: <8CB3C0B2F1AF9E9-C1C-EC2@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> Hi, all. We are trying to get organized for Gulf Wars this year.? We have more people than?a cabin will hold coming from the Royal Entourage,?so I am trying to figure out how many other folks are planning on the trip and if it might make sense to try to?get one land assignment.? Please mail me if you are planning on going and are intrested in camping with your countrymen. Maybe we can come up with 20 so we can get a real land assignment for folks. It might even be worth making a Yahoo group so that we can all be on the same page as people plan their trips. Thanks, Morgen Regina From crossbow1953 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 3 18:16:52 2009 From: crossbow1953 at earthlink.net (Urho Waltterinen) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:16:52 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gulf Wars, anyone? In-Reply-To: <8CB3C0B2F1AF9E9-C1C-EC2@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB3C0B2F1AF9E9-C1C-EC2@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <65019271071A406A979F82B3A0C4120F@Dellbert> William and I will be coming. Currently we're to be camping behind the bakery, but would like to be with the Kingdom group. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [SCA-AE] Gulf Wars, anyone? > Hi, all. > > We are trying to get organized for Gulf Wars this year.? We have more > people than?a cabin will hold coming from the Royal Entourage,?so I am > trying to figure out how many other folks are planning on the trip and if > it might make sense to try to?get one land assignment.? > > Please mail me if you are planning on going and are intrested in camping > with your countrymen. Maybe we can come up with 20 so we can get a real > land assignment for folks. > > It might even be worth making a Yahoo group so that we can all be on the > same page as people plan their trips. > > Thanks, > > Morgen > Regina > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From myfanwy at nauticom.net Sat Jan 3 19:50:45 2009 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:50:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Gulf Wars, anyone? In-Reply-To: <8CB3C0B2F1AF9E9-C1C-EC2@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB3C0B2F1AF9E9-C1C-EC2@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <55670.209.195.147.252.1231030245.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! Alastar and I have put ourselves on the waiting list for the hotel, but we will probably also be making reservations for getting an RV again. Not sure about other people working in the booth (Anna im Turm left a message on the answering machine asking what was going on for travel plans, plus Inez from up in Hunter's Home may be coming down this year as well). There is, in addition, the possibility that his mundane brother may come down to work with us as well (which of course will mean scraping up a week's worth of garb for him, since he's not in the SCA). Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > Hi, all. > > We are trying to get organized for Gulf Wars this year.? We have more > people than?a cabin will hold coming from the Royal Entourage,?so I am > trying to figure out how many other folks are planning on the trip and if > it might make sense to try to?get one land assignment.? > > Please mail me if you are planning on going and are intrested in camping > with your countrymen. Maybe we can come up with 20 so we can get a real > land assignment for folks. > > It might even be worth making a Yahoo group so that we can all be on the > same page as people plan their trips. > > Thanks, > > Morgen > Regina > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From myfanwy at nauticom.net Sat Jan 3 19:55:27 2009 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:55:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55675.209.195.147.252.1231030527.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! So is this actually a subtlety competition, or a dessert competition? Because they're not necessarily the same thing. Also, are there any requirements (documentation, etc)? Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > Dessert chefs old and new. Those who like to eat what is beautiful, > bountiful, and palatable to... Please do not hesitate to enter your > favorite sweet treat in the Kingdom 12th Night Subtleties competition. > Judges will sample and photograph all entries. All entries will > likewise be sampled by the populace attending the feast. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From hjholmes at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 20:06:48 2009 From: hjholmes at gmail.com (Heather Holmes) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:06:48 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gulf Wars, anyone? In-Reply-To: <55670.209.195.147.252.1231030245.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> References: <8CB3C0B2F1AF9E9-C1C-EC2@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> <55670.209.195.147.252.1231030245.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <57630ae90901031706l22753103q3f6067d430447eb2@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like a job for: DA Da DAAAAA!!! The Chatelaines! (Hospitallers, Castellans.. whoever...) On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:50 PM, wrote: > Greetings from Myfanwy! > Alastar and I have put ourselves on the waiting list for the hotel, but we > will probably also be making reservations for getting an RV again. Not > sure about other people working in the booth (Anna im Turm left a message > on the answering machine asking what was going on for travel plans, plus > Inez from up in Hunter's Home may be coming down this year as well). > There is, in addition, the possibility that his mundane brother may come > down to work with us as well (which of course will mean scraping up a > week's worth of garb for him, since he's not in the SCA). > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon > Ruth Morrisson > myfanwy at nauticom.net > > > Hi, all. > > > > We are trying to get organized for Gulf Wars this year.? We have more > > people than?a cabin will hold coming from the Royal Entourage,?so I am > > trying to figure out how many other folks are planning on the trip and if > > it might make sense to try to?get one land assignment.? > > > > Please mail me if you are planning on going and are intrested in camping > > with your countrymen. Maybe we can come up with 20 so we can get a real > > land assignment for folks. > > > > It might even be worth making a Yahoo group so that we can all be on the > > same page as people plan their trips. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Morgen > > Regina > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the > > list. > > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 3 20:13:31 2009 From: CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com (CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:13:31 EST Subject: [SCA-AE] [Port Oasis] Shire 12th Night Message-ID: In a message dated 1/3/2009 12:35:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, etturnbull at juno.com writes: > Greetings Port Oasis and our good neighbors of the area! I hope you all > are still in a holiday mood. Bring out that good garb and those rich > table settings. Set your mind to come and celebrate the 12th Night with > a bring a thing. We'll meet at the Radio Museum on Saturday Jan. 10th > from 12-8pm. Please bring something to share and your choice of drink > (the site is dry). We will plan to have feast about 5. Don't forget > about the gift exchange...if you would like to participate please bring > a gift (limit $10) and mark if it is for male/female adult/child. See > you all there! > From swally at alltel.net Sat Jan 3 22:05:11 2009 From: swally at alltel.net (Marci and Steve Waleff) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:05:11 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest References: <55675.209.195.147.252.1231030527.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <34217C3FB1CE4AE8A8B9DFB730CEFF0D@Mydell> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest > Greetings from Myfanwy! > So is this actually a subtlety competition, or a dessert competition? > Because they're not necessarily the same thing. > Also, are there any requirements (documentation, etc)? > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon > Ruth Morrisson > myfanwy at nauticom.net > >> Dessert chefs old and new. Those who like to eat what is beautiful, >> bountiful, and palatable to... Please do not hesitate to enter your >> favorite sweet treat in the Kingdom 12th Night Subtleties competition. >> Judges will sample and photograph all entries. All entries will >> likewise be sampled by the populace attending the feast. >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >> the >> list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From swally at alltel.net Sat Jan 3 22:06:21 2009 From: swally at alltel.net (Marci and Steve Waleff) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:06:21 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest References: <55675.209.195.147.252.1231030527.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <3D4933565D3A4C45B4725C491612AC4F@Mydell> We are trying to encourage beautiful and tasty treats.. It seemed that the term subtlety was useful here. Have we misused it? Humbly, Marsi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest > Greetings from Myfanwy! > So is this actually a subtlety competition, or a dessert competition? > Because they're not necessarily the same thing. > Also, are there any requirements (documentation, etc)? > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon > Ruth Morrisson > myfanwy at nauticom.net > >> Dessert chefs old and new. Those who like to eat what is beautiful, >> bountiful, and palatable to... Please do not hesitate to enter your >> favorite sweet treat in the Kingdom 12th Night Subtleties competition. >> Judges will sample and photograph all entries. All entries will >> likewise be sampled by the populace attending the feast. >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >> the >> list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From clannscot at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 22:28:50 2009 From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 22:28:50 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Youth Cooking Classes Being Offered In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Keepers of the Rolling Dragon Household is honored to be able to offer a three class tract to the children of Aethelmearc in basic kitchen etiquette. Goals for the classes will be to instruct the children in basic kitchen safety, food skills and cleanliness. First we will cover proper dress, hand washing, food handling, kitchen layout, dish washing, safety and how to handle issues. Second session will cover quick review of first session, food prep, basic equipment skills and knife skills. Third session will quickly review first two sessions and include information on foods considered medieval, spices, developing a menu and researching ideas. Each session will end with the children making a dish to sample and share. There is not an age specific limit on the classes, BUT please keep in mind that we will be: giving handouts that the children will need to write information on the children will be handling foods, knives, peelers, be around hot equipment and need to have adequate awareness of surroundings. Direct adult supervision will always be provided, so consider what your child's abilities are when signing them up please. Patents are welcome to stay and participate too, so that may assist in decision making as well as allow them to observe any adaptations that are taught to their children when using equipment. I would offer the guideline that most children about 8 and up would be able to participate fully in the first two sessions. For the children who have completed the classes successfully, we will be giving them a kit of a simple hat that they will need to sew together. It will allow others to know that these kids have basic kitchen skills and would like to assist in a kitchen at events. As time permits, the KRD Household wishes to provide a very simple class for children as young as three to participate in that will cover very basic things like hand washing, basic food handling and then create something that they can also sample and share. The final goal of this project is to be able to have a lunch prepared and served by the children at an event in each of the regions of the Kingdom. We wish thank the autocrats, cooks and others who have been supportive of this project and have offered to allow us to swoop in and engage the children thus far. Their Royal Highnesses have graciously agreed to having Their lunch at War Practice be prepared and served by the children, which is very exciting for the children who have already worked with us. The events that will be offering these classes should include information on their site page. We have a short list of expected dates that the instructors can be at and autocrats have confirmed inclusion. To allay possible fears, all primary instructors have received the necessary society level clearances and we will be observing the two deep rules. Any questions regarding this project or offers to include this activity for the children at an event, can be directed to kprdgn at aol.com In service, Lady Nivah Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 From katjaorlova at yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 22:59:17 2009 From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:59:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest In-Reply-To: <3D4933565D3A4C45B4725C491612AC4F@Mydell> Message-ID: <782646.81809.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The term "subtlety" during our period of study refers to a form of entertainment served between courses or at the end of the meal. Although it could be an non-edible wooden or metal sculpture or construct, It often *was*, especially in earlier times, an elaborate sweet -- such as sugarpaste eggs or marzipan marzipan. Some of the more creative ones included a capon dressed in livery and helmet riding a pig (which Master Huen did for a feast some years ago) as well as the fabled cockatrice. For more on subtleties, see http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-SWEETS/sotelties-msg.html. So, asking for yummy, fancy treats to delight the eye at the end of the meal and calling them subtleties? I think that's perfectly fine. :) I think the question was more about the use of the word "contest"... I believe gentles want to know whether it is simply a display of such delights for dessert, or whether one will be judged the best? Cheers, Katja >>We are trying to encourage beautiful and tasty treats.. It seemed that the term subtlety was useful here. Have we misused it? Humbly, Marsi From donnamac456 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 3 23:17:28 2009 From: donnamac456 at yahoo.com (Donna MacTavish) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:17:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th nite rivers edge? Message-ID: <947262.63396.qm@web35301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is there a link for?the announcement?for 12th nite? I can't find my aestal and cant seem to find any event details. ? Thanks Cristina From swally at alltel.net Sat Jan 3 23:48:01 2009 From: swally at alltel.net (Marci and Steve Waleff) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:48:01 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest References: <782646.81809.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <071EFA00F03F48C0BD8DD7F578773BD3@Mydell> Yes mam, one will be judged the best, based on a consensus of judges from our Shire... There is a very small token as a prize as well... Humbly, Marsi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katja" To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest > The term "subtlety" during our period of study refers to a form of > entertainment served between courses or at the end of the meal. > > Although it could be an non-edible wooden or metal sculpture or construct, > It often *was*, especially in earlier times, an elaborate sweet -- such as > sugarpaste eggs or marzipan marzipan. > Some of the more creative ones included a capon dressed in livery and > helmet riding a pig (which Master Huen did for a feast some years ago) as > well as the fabled cockatrice. > > For more on subtleties, see > http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-SWEETS/sotelties-msg.html. > > So, asking for yummy, fancy treats to delight the eye at the end of the > meal and calling them subtleties? I think that's perfectly fine. :) > > I think the question was more about the use of the word "contest"... I > believe gentles want to know whether it is simply a display of such > delights for dessert, or whether one will be judged the best? > > Cheers, > Katja >>>We are trying to encourage beautiful and tasty treats.. It seemed that >>>the > term subtlety was useful here. Have we misused it? > > Humbly, > Marsi > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From myfanwy at nauticom.net Sat Jan 3 23:59:51 2009 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 23:59:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest Message-ID: <56668.209.195.147.252.1231045191.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! I had been going on the assumption the more usual definition of "subtlety" without actually thinking about what you may have been thinking when you wrote the event announcement, so I was trying to get a clarification when I saw your post last night. In period, subtleties were presentation pieces at the end of feasts (or, in some cases, at the end of every course if the feast was at a really important occasion). A lot of times they seemed to be thematic. For example, the feast menu for the installation of John Stafford as Archbishop of Canterbury in the fifteenth century, the subtleties at the ends of each course depicted various saints: St. Andrew with a bishop; the Trinity with Sts. Thomas and Austin and a couple of Augustinian [I think] monks; and a "godhede" with St. Thomas, John the Baptist, and angels. It's not clear what they were made of, or even if they were edible; in fact, many feast menus just say "And a sotellte" without describing it in any way (and descriptions of -- or recipes for -- stuff like sugar plate are really late, or just out of, period, depending on what source). The French version are called "entrements" but in Taillevant that seems to refer to any sort of "exotic" recipe like "Blanc mengier party" (almond milk thickened with rice or starch and then divided into different sections, each a different color) as well as to presentation pieces: one is for roast peacock that after cooking has the "skin" replaced and the tailfeathers spread with skewers or brass wires; and another one for a tower made out of cloth (and, I presume a framework), with someone dressed up as a wild man and someone else inside the tower throwing leather balls, painted to look like rocks, at him. One of the first subtleties I saw at an event *was* made of (mostly) edible ingredients but most definitely wasn't a dessert: two whole chickens "riding" on (IIRC) suckling pigs, and jousting at each other, wearing little aluminum foil helms, and holding aluminum foil lances. (This was apparently based on the "Coqz heaumez" -- i.e., "Helmeted Cocks" -- recipe in Taillevant, which I just found when I was looking up the other recipes just now.) On the other hand, I've also seen (and made) decorated cakes. I've become a big fan of the show "Ace of Cakes" because they're making subtleties even though it never says that -- on one of the episodes this week they had to make an airplane for Southwest Airlines with the state flag of Maryland (i.e., the arms of Lord Baltimore, for heraldry geeks) -- I think it was about 2 feet long when they were done, although I don't remember how much of the body was actually cake as opposed to gum paste. On another episode, someone made a replica of an upright (!) Harley Davidson motorcycle, and a good chunk of that was actually stacked and carved sections of layer cake, although there was a framework built to keep it upright. Hope all this helps. Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > We are trying to encourage beautiful and tasty treats.. It seemed that the > term subtlety was useful here. Have we misused it? > > Humbly, > Marsi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] 12th Night Subtlety Contest > > >> Greetings from Myfanwy! >> So is this actually a subtlety competition, or a dessert competition? >> Because they're not necessarily the same thing. >> Also, are there any requirements (documentation, etc)? >> Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon >> Ruth Morrisson >> myfanwy at nauticom.net >> >>> Dessert chefs old and new. Those who like to eat what is beautiful, >>> bountiful, and palatable to... Please do not hesitate to enter your >>> favorite sweet treat in the Kingdom 12th Night Subtleties competition. >>> Judges will sample and photograph all entries. All entries will >>> likewise be sampled by the populace attending the feast. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >>> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >>> the >>> list. >>> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >>> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >>> for: >>> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >>> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >> the >> list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From jolene-butt at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 10:42:57 2009 From: jolene-butt at comcast.net (Jolene Butt) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SCA-AE] (Sylvan Glen) An Invitation to our 12th Night Celebration In-Reply-To: <55670.209.195.147.252.1231030245.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <1558619242.2105431231083777899.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> An Invitation to our 12th Night Celebration All are invited to our annual 12th night celebration. The celebration will be on Saturday January 10th, at Franklin Manor Community Room. This is a no cost Garbed event, for both the young and old with is a pot luck dinner and a Viking gift exchange. The Doors will open at 2 pm for socializing and relaxing. We will be serving Tea, coffee and cookies with some music. There will be a children's corner with a craft to keep the little ones occupied. Around 4 pm we will having the traditional 12th night cake. ? Please bring your feast gear with you; Dinner will be starting promptly at 5 pm, buffet style. We will be having a Roasted Turkey as our main meat dish for the evening. Please bring a covered dish to share with everyone. There are plenty of plugs if you bring a crock pot, but you may want to bring an extension cord. After dinner we will be having the Viking gift exchange. If you would like to participate please bring a gift. The main gift exchange will be for those 12 years and older, there is a $10 limit of these gifts. For the children we will also be doing a gift exchange with a $3-$5 limit, For those who will be having little ones joining us please email me off list and let me know I am planning something special for the children and want to make sure I have enough items and some may be gender specific. ( Jolene-butt at comcast.net ) The evening will be coming to a close at aprox 8 pm, for clean up. You will have an opportunity to clean up your feast gear at this time as well. I hope to see everyone there. Isabella of Sylvan Glen From ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 13:35:36 2009 From: ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com (kathy kemmish) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:35:36 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] [Port Oasis] Shire 12th Night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <540ddc010901041035u463280f7n4dc9a8fc16568fd7@mail.gmail.com> May I please have directions to the Radio Museum? -- Lady Kathryn MacLuing, OK Onyx Pursuivant Barony of Blackstone Mountain From CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com Sun Jan 4 13:57:18 2009 From: CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com (CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:57:18 EST Subject: [SCA-AE] [Port Oasis] Shire 12th Night Message-ID: MiLady, I sent your request to Dirk. He should be getting in contact with you :) Fair Winds Captain Gunnarr In a message dated 1/4/2009 10:38:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com writes: > May I please have directions to the Radio Museum? > > -- > Lady Kathryn MacLuing, OK > Onyx Pursuivant > Barony of Blackstone Mountain > _________________________________________________________________________ From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Sun Jan 4 17:51:41 2009 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:51:41 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: FW: [Announcements] Proposed Corpora Change-Royalty memberships Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ From: announcements-bounces at lists.sca.org [mailto:announcements-bounces at lists.sca.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Anderson Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:48 PM To: announcements at sca.org Subject: [Announcements] Proposed Corpora Change-Royalty memberships >From the Board of Directors: Please note that the following proposed change has been previously discussed in a variety of forms, but is now being distributed for commentary. The Board of Directors would like commentary on the proposed change to Corpora: Section IV A 2 From: 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until their term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has processed the membership application is required before anyone may fight or be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of a valid membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, or a postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been received. To: 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until their term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has processed the membership application****and that it is valid through the end of their prospective reign ***** is required before anyone may fight or be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of; a valid membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, ****receipt of online membership (as downloaded from the renewal website)****, or a postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been received. The additional wording is in bold type, and would require all combatants and consorts to show, prior to acceptance in Crown Tournament, that their membership will remain valid throughout the duration of their potential Reign. All commentary should be sent to comments at sca.org. All Commentary should be received on or before April 1, 2009. As ever, the Board of Directors and Corporate staff welcomes any and all input. You can subscribe to Announcement by going to;http://www.sca.org/BOD/announcements/ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Mon Jan 5 06:10:22 2009 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:10:22 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Message-ID: Hello, Since this ws brought up on Grand Council, I'm bringing it up here. The Board has proposedca change to Corpora: Please note that the following proposed change has been previously discussed in a variety of forms, but is now being distributed for commentary. The Board of Directors would like commentary on the proposed change to Corpora: Section IV A 2 From: 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until their term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has processed the membership application is required before anyone may fight or be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of a valid membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, or a postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been received. To: 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until their term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has processed the membership application*****and that it is valid through the end of their prospective reign ****** is required before anyone may fight or be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of; a valid membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, *****receipt of online membership (as downloaded from the renewal website)*****,* *or a postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been received. ---------------------------- If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the year following. At least that's how I & others read it. Thus a question: what impact would this change to Corpora have on the populace of Aethelmearc, or more directly, those possible entrants in Crown? Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers From taranach at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 08:05:03 2009 From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:05:03 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] (Sylvan Glen) An Invitation to our 12th Night Celebration In-Reply-To: <1558619242.2105431231083777899.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <55670.209.195.147.252.1231030245.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> <1558619242.2105431231083777899.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Please post Mundane location (and state) for any events as ?thelmearc is a VERY large area and those in say Syracuse, NY or Scranton, PA would find that a very long distance. Taranach On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Jolene Butt wrote: > > An Invitation to our 12th Night Celebration > > All are invited to our annual 12th night celebration. > > The celebration will be on Saturday January 10th, at Franklin Manor > Community Room. From angusmacdubh at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 18:11:28 2009 From: angusmacdubh at yahoo.com (Angus MacDubh) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:11:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th nite rivers edge? In-Reply-To: <947262.63396.qm@web35301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <214945.20227.qm@web50106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Greetings, ? I have copied the announce for the event and attached it.? I hope you will find this helpful! ? If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to contact me. ? Yours In Service Lord Angus MacDubh ? ? Greetings Noble populace of AEthelmearc!? Autumn is upon us!? Yule season approaches with haste!? Make your plans now to gather and celebrate Kingdom Twelfth Night in the Shire of Riversedge, on January 10th, 2009!? Make your reservations now! ? The site, Seton Catholic School (385 Pine St, Meadville, PA 16335) is wet, handicapped accessible, there is ample parking, and plenty of room to gather and for merchants.? Meeting rooms will be available for Orders wishing to schedule a time. A wondrous feast for the first 96 gentles with paid reservations will follow the activities of the day. The feast will be prepared by Her Excellency, Baroness Marsi of Hadley.? Any dietary concerns should be addressed to Baroness Marsi at (724)253-3636 or swally at alltel.net. Also!? A subtleties contest will be held, judged, and the entries served at feast for all to enjoy! Autocrat for this event will be Lord Angus MacDubh (mka: Adam Falkenburg) 26118 Smith-Heath Rd, Cochranton, PA 16314, (814) 425- 7546, angusmacdubh at yahoo.com .? The site will open at 11am and will close at 8pm. The site is handicapped accessible, wet, and allows for enclosed flames during feast.? The fees for the day are as follows: Adult site fee $8.00, Teen (13-17) site fee 7.00, Child (12 and under) site fee $4.00. Adult feast $7.00 Child (12 and under) feast $4.00. Babes in arms (under 5) are free. There will also be a 3.00 NMS fee in place.? A side board is included in the site fee and will be available most of the day.? All reservations may be sent to Lady Moira Reasgach (Carla Brown) 23190 Griffith Road, Cambridge Springs, PA 16403. Please make all checks payable to the SCA Inc - Shire of? Riversedge >From the East: US 322 into Meadville. Where 322 turns left at Linden St., continue straight on Main St until reaching the fourth traffic light (including Linden). Turn right onto Pine St., the site and parking will be on your left immediately behind Saint Agatha's Catholic Church (a very large whitish stone church). >From the North and South: I-79 to the Meadville exit (147A). The off ramp will take you onto US 322 East. Continue for approximately two miles, remaining on the 4-lane, until reaching the sixth traffic light. Turn right onto Arch St. (the Downtown Mall will be there). Go four blocks and turn right onto Main St. Go to the first traffic light and turn left onto Pine St. The site and parking will be on your left immediately behind Saint Agatha's Catholic Church (a very large whitish stone church). >From the West: Follow US 322 until it underpasses I-79, then follow the above directions from the North or South. Overnight Accommodations:? Arrangements have been made with Quality Inn, 1259 Conneaut Lake Rd, Meadville 16335 (814) 333-8883, to hold a block of rooms for us, with both smoking and non-smoking rooms available. Those interested in booking a room need to call and make their own reservations, stating that they are with the "SCA". Reservations must be made prior to December 27, 2008, or the arranged rate will no longer be available.? The double room rate will be $62.99 plus tax.? The room rate includes a Continental Breakfast.? Check-in is at 3pm and Check-out is at 11am.? This hotel is situated on US 322, on the hill just west of I-79 at the Meadville exit.? It is right next to Ponderosa, just east of Red Lobster, McDonalds, Burger King, and Compadre's Mexican Restaurant, on the opposite side of I-79 from Applebee's, Country Fair, Cracker Barrel, Perkins, and Chovy's Italian Restaurant, and within a short drive of all the usual fast food joints, several gas stations, grocery stores, and Wal-Mart. --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Donna MacTavish wrote: From: Donna MacTavish Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th nite rivers edge? To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 11:17 PM Is there a link for?the announcement?for 12th nite? I can't find my aestal and cant seem to find any event details. ? Thanks Cristina _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From maxntropy at att.net Mon Jan 5 14:24:22 2009 From: maxntropy at att.net (Max Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:24:22 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Aethelmearc Invitation: 2nd East/Atlantian Interkingdom Practice Message-ID: <259AA616-FCF0-468A-8FC5-865F99434A97@att.net> Given the much renowned success of the first East/Atlantian Interkingdom practice in October, we have been asked often and loudly for a sequel. This time, the practice will less firmly ensconced within Eastern lands and much more closely held amongst the border lands between our great lands -- and not all that very far from the borders of our shared neighbors in Aethelmearc, whom we would most heartily welcome to our Interkingdom practice so that all might better train and learn! The practice will be held on 1/25/09 from Noon to 5pm in the shire of Caer-Adamant, who proudly offered to host the practice at their indoor practice site (which just happens to have an adjacent bar). As per the last practice, the focus and emphasis of the event will be on training and practicing individual prowess and single combat skills, since there tends to be a significant number of events focused on melee training and war practice throughout the year (note that this is *not* a war practice, but is instead an Interkingdom Fighter Practice where we may all come together to learn from the best and test our mettle). King Darius, Duke Ronald Wilmot, Duke Timothy of Arindale, Sir Tanaka Raiko, Sir Albrecht Von Halstern, Sir Gabriel of Maccuswell, and a whole bunch of their folks and others are expected to be in attendance at the practice from the East; and Sir Guy LeStrange, Sir Thomas of Calais, Sir Tascius Fabius, Viscount Sir Eldrid, and perhaps even Sir Strykar Geirharldsson are rumored to be in attendance at the practice from Atlantia. We've also heard rumors that mercenary friends from Galatia and the Markland Army may very well be in attendance, as may (we hear tell, and hope) some travelers from Aethelmearc. It looks to be an outstanding opportunity to gain insight into a wide variety of styles, skills, and talents from far and wide just a couple've hours North of us. If there's any chance you can make it, this a fantastic opportunity to fight some fantastic folks and learn from some of the best. If there's a chance you can make it to fight, or to come have a great time on a fun road trip and help provide some extra passenger seats -- please think about joining us! Last time proved to be a fantastic opportunity to fight a great group of extremely talented fighters with different styles, methods, and skills and to learn and be tutored from some of the very best. And the stories from the dinner afterwards and the rides to and from were truly bard-worthy! Please contact me at warlord at pontealto.org if you have any plans whatsoever of attending (no matter how spurious), as the host shire is looking to get and maintain a rough head-count. If you have any questions about the site, please contact Alexendre Bautista de la Mar, Deputy Knight Marshal for the Shire of Caer-Adamant at shireherald at aol.com The practice will be held at the Smyrna Ambulance Company/American Legion at 107 W. Glenwood Ave in Smyrna, DE. We look forward to seeing everyone there, and hope everyone will make an effort to join us. In Service, Baron Maximillian Von Halstern PLEASE FORWARD AS APPROPRIATE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smyrna Ambulance Company/American Legion 107 W. Glenwood Ave. Smyrna, DE 19977 From the south take I-95 to Rt 1 south. Take exit 119a to Smyrna. Turn right on Glenwood Ave From the north take I-95 south across the Delaware memorial Bridge, then take Rt-1 south to exit 119a to Smyrna. Turn right on Glenwood Ave. From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 14:54:51 2009 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:54:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed References: Message-ID: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings! Fridrikr wrote: If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the year following. At least that's how I & others read it. That's the way I read it, too. I'm aware of why the change is being suggested, but I don't think it's necessary. Furthermore, it doesn't resolve the problem; merely shifts it to a two-year issue instead of a one-year issue. I don't think it would negatively impact AEthelmearc's crown list size, certainly not by itself, but I do think it's like killing a fly with a sledgehammer. Gwendolyn the Graceful, Brehynes ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Ireland-Delfs To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 6:10:22 AM Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Hello, Since this ws brought up on Grand Council, I'm bringing it up here. The Board has proposedca change to Corpora: Please note that the following proposed change has been previously discussed in a variety of forms, but is now being distributed for commentary. The Board of Directors would like commentary on the proposed change to Corpora: Section IV A 2 From: 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until their term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has processed the membership application is required before anyone may fight or be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of a valid membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, or a postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been received. To: 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until their term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has processed the membership application*****and that it is valid through the end of their prospective reign ****** is required before anyone may fight or be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of; a valid membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, *****receipt of online membership (as downloaded from the renewal website)*****,* *or a postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been received. ---------------------------- If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the year following. At least that's how I & others read it. Thus a question: what impact would this change to Corpora have on the populace of Aethelmearc, or more directly, those possible entrants in Crown? Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From donnghaile at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 15:09:04 2009 From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:09:04 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I cannot condone this action. What's next, requiring that great officers show proof of their 3 year membership as part of their letter of intent? I know that they're trying to avoid a lapse of membership negating a reign, but there are much simpler methods than requiring everyone with passing interest in the crown, or who just wants to show up and be seen to have to buy up to do so. That sounds like a poll tax, actually. I'd be fine with requiring the winner to renew membership pretty much at the tourney, and be happier still to see the kingdom or society pay for it. I know that we'd likely have to not use SCA funds for this, as it does benefit an individual, but on the same token it benefits the realm. SCA money pays for royal travel fund, they are commonly comped at events, why can't it pay for memberships to keep the kingdom healthy? Brandubh O'Donnghaile On 1/5/09, Gwen wrote: > Greetings! > > Fridrikr wrote: > If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an > entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year > membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown > is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the > year following. At least that's how I & others read it. > > > > That's the way I read it, too. > > I'm aware of why the change is being suggested, but I don't think it's necessary. Furthermore, it doesn't resolve the problem; merely shifts it to a two-year issue instead of a one-year issue. > > I don't think it would negatively impact AEthelmearc's crown list size, certainly not by itself, but I do think it's like killing a fly with a sledgehammer. > > Gwendolyn the Graceful, Brehynes > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Thomas Ireland-Delfs > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 6:10:22 AM > Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed > > Hello, > > Since this ws brought up on Grand Council, I'm bringing it up here. > The Board has proposedca change to Corpora: > > Please note that the following proposed change has been previously > discussed > in a variety of forms, but is now being distributed for commentary. > > The Board of Directors would like commentary on the proposed change to > Corpora: > > > Section IV A 2 > > From: > > 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid > membership on > the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until > their > term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has > processed the membership application is required before anyone may > fight or > be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of a valid > membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a > printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the > Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, or a postcard or > letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been > received. > > To: > > 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid > membership on > the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until > their > term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has > processed the membership application*****and that it is valid through > the > end of their prospective reign ****** is required before anyone may > fight or > be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of; a > valid > membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a > printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the > Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, *****receipt of > online membership (as downloaded from the renewal website)*****,* *or a > postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the > membership > has been received. > > ---------------------------- > > If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an > entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year > membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown > is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the > year following. At least that's how I & others read it. > > Thus a question: what impact would this change to Corpora have on the > populace of Aethelmearc, or more directly, those possible entrants in > Crown? > > Fridrikr inn gamli > > grasgar?r dvergr > siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr > non verba, acta > Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From scalongbow at windstream.net Mon Jan 5 15:11:07 2009 From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym/Bill) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:11:07 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4962695B.1070900@windstream.net> Seeing what has happened in the past with other kingdoms, not ours. This a long overdue change. Having a royal on the throne who is not an 'official' member is not a good inspiration for our populace. And it does cause major problems when found out. Master Baron Gwilym who has been a paid member for almost 30 years. ----------------------------------------- Gwen wrote: >Greetings! > >Fridrikr wrote: >If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an >entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year >membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown >is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the >year following. At least that's how I & others read it. > > > >That's the way I read it, too. > >I'm aware of why the change is being suggested, but I don't think it's necessary. Furthermore, it doesn't resolve the problem; merely shifts it to a two-year issue instead of a one-year issue. > >I don't think it would negatively impact AEthelmearc's crown list size, certainly not by itself, but I do think it's like killing a fly with a sledgehammer. > >Gwendolyn the Graceful, Brehynes > > > > From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 15:24:06 2009 From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:24:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <541155.55143.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I assume this proposal is to prevent the problem that occurred in the Middle Kingdom last spring, when crowned monarchs were automatically removed from the thrones due to lapsed membership.?This rule change?*would* prevent that from recurring by ensuring that Crown combatants are paid through the end of the reign for which they are competing. ? The only down side I see to this (besides the?nuisance of remembering to do it in a timely manner)?is possibly financial, but if you can't?afford to pay for two years' membership at a time then you probably can't afford to be King and Queen, either. For that matter, if you're a regular Crown fighter/consort, you'd only have to pay for two years *once*, and then you could re-up a year in advance for one year each time after that. Arianna --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Gwen wrote: I'm aware of why the change is being suggested, but I don't think it's necessary. Furthermore, it doesn't resolve the problem; merely shifts it to a two-year issue instead of a one-year issue. From scalongbow at windstream.net Mon Jan 5 15:41:05 2009 From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym/Bill) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:41:05 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Having held a Kingdom office twice, once in the east (3 yrs), and once in AEthelmearc (4 years), and been a Society Officer (6 yrs). I don't see a problem with requiring paid membership in order to hold the most visible office there is. As K or Q of any given kingdom. Or am I missing something here? Not only did I have the 'required' membership to hold my offices, but also paid for additional kingdom newsletters as well. If your serious about wanting to be king, then a paid membership as part of the requirement of entering the list field during crown torney should not be difficult. If you wait till the last moment to pay up, then what kind of K or Q will you be? One who waits till the last minute to do the duties required? Been there, saw that and its not a pretty sight. All kingdoms deserve better. And its not that big of a burden. Most entrants in to Crown 'are' card carring members as it is. Gwilym Ben Cogan wrote: >Yes, I cannot condone this action. What's next, requiring that great >officers show proof of their 3 year membership as part of their letter >of intent? I know that they're trying to avoid a lapse of membership >negating a reign, but there are much simpler methods than requiring >everyone with passing interest in the crown, or who just wants to show >up and be seen to have to buy up to do so. That sounds like a poll >tax, actually. > >I'd be fine with requiring the winner to renew membership pretty much >at the tourney, and be happier still to see the kingdom or society pay >for it. I know that we'd likely have to not use SCA funds for this, >as it does benefit an individual, but on the same token it benefits >the realm. SCA money pays for royal travel fund, they are commonly >comped at events, why can't it pay for memberships to keep the kingdom >healthy? > >Brandubh O'Donnghaile > > > From dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com Mon Jan 5 15:47:23 2009 From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com (dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:47:23 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: I don't think it is a huge burden, and certainly the Crown should be members, but if a Kingdom or Corporate officer lapses, what happens? I have never heard of a Kingdom Seneschal or Exchequer being booted from office because their membership lapsed. And certainly, at local levels, officers lapse in membership all the time. I support making the Crown be members, but I have never understood why their burden to do so is larger than the officers that handle most of the legal stuff we deal with as an organization. Shouldn't they all be treated the same? Dorinda Gwilym/Bill To Sent by: discussion at aethelmearc.org sca-aethelmearc-b cc ounces +dorinda.e.courti Subject ne-white=cummins. Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora com at lists.andrew. Proposed cmu.edu 01/05/2009 03:41 PM Please respond to discussion at aethel mearc.org Having held a Kingdom office twice, once in the east (3 yrs), and once in AEthelmearc (4 years), and been a Society Officer (6 yrs). I don't see a problem with requiring paid membership in order to hold the most visible office there is. As K or Q of any given kingdom. Or am I missing something here? Not only did I have the 'required' membership to hold my offices, but also paid for additional kingdom newsletters as well. If your serious about wanting to be king, then a paid membership as part of the requirement of entering the list field during crown torney should not be difficult. If you wait till the last moment to pay up, then what kind of K or Q will you be? One who waits till the last minute to do the duties required? Been there, saw that and its not a pretty sight. All kingdoms deserve better. And its not that big of a burden. Most entrants in to Crown 'are' card carring members as it is. Gwilym Ben Cogan wrote: >Yes, I cannot condone this action. What's next, requiring that great >officers show proof of their 3 year membership as part of their letter >of intent? I know that they're trying to avoid a lapse of membership >negating a reign, but there are much simpler methods than requiring >everyone with passing interest in the crown, or who just wants to show >up and be seen to have to buy up to do so. That sounds like a poll >tax, actually. > >I'd be fine with requiring the winner to renew membership pretty much >at the tourney, and be happier still to see the kingdom or society pay >for it. I know that we'd likely have to not use SCA funds for this, >as it does benefit an individual, but on the same token it benefits >the realm. SCA money pays for royal travel fund, they are commonly >comped at events, why can't it pay for memberships to keep the kingdom >healthy? > >Brandubh O'Donnghaile > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Mon Jan 5 15:54:26 2009 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:54:26 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com><29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: Currently, you *have* to be a member as of the day of Crown to enter Crown. The change is *requiring* that before you can fight in crown, you must have a valid, paid membership that extends for your entire reign. In the case of AEthelmearc, this means your membership must be September to September or May to May. This is one more month than a 1 year membership will cover, thus requiring all entrants in Crown to effectively obtain a 2 year membership. What the change is addressing is that some folks memberships expire while they are reigning as King and Queen, and in a few cases the individuals forgot to renew while they were on the throne, thus causing their membership to lapse while reigning. It is not changing the fact that you still need to be a card-carrying member before you can enter Crown. That requirement has been there for years and is still in effect. Orianna -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.andrew.cmu. edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.and rew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Gwilym/Bill Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:41 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Having held a Kingdom office twice, once in the east (3 yrs), and once in AEthelmearc (4 years), and been a Society Officer (6 yrs). I don't see a problem with requiring paid membership in order to hold the most visible office there is. As K or Q of any given kingdom. Or am I missing something here? Not only did I have the 'required' membership to hold my offices, but also paid for additional kingdom newsletters as well. If your serious about wanting to be king, then a paid membership as part of the requirement of entering the list field during crown torney should not be difficult. If you wait till the last moment to pay up, then what kind of K or Q will you be? One who waits till the last minute to do the duties required? Been there, saw that and its not a pretty sight. All kingdoms deserve better. And its not that big of a burden. Most entrants in to Crown 'are' card carring members as it is. Gwilym Ben Cogan wrote: >Yes, I cannot condone this action. What's next, requiring that great >officers show proof of their 3 year membership as part of their letter >of intent? I know that they're trying to avoid a lapse of membership >negating a reign, but there are much simpler methods than requiring >everyone with passing interest in the crown, or who just wants to show >up and be seen to have to buy up to do so. That sounds like a poll >tax, actually. > >I'd be fine with requiring the winner to renew membership pretty much >at the tourney, and be happier still to see the kingdom or society pay >for it. I know that we'd likely have to not use SCA funds for this, >as it does benefit an individual, but on the same token it benefits >the realm. SCA money pays for royal travel fund, they are commonly >comped at events, why can't it pay for memberships to keep the kingdom >healthy? > >Brandubh O'Donnghaile > > > ________________________________________________________________________ _ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. ________________________________________________________________________ _ From duncanvh at hotmail.com Mon Jan 5 15:57:39 2009 From: duncanvh at hotmail.com (Duncan von Halstern) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:57:39 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: Yes, you are missing something. To be any officer, from a shire herald to the King of the Kingdom, you have to be a paid member, this is nothing new. As was previously mentioned it is the BODs way of avoiding what happened in the Middle where due to mundane distractions the King and Queen sent their renewal in a day late and were not members for a day. Though only a day, it still broke the law and had to be dealt with. This is not something new saying the King and Queen have to be members. Count Duncan > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:41:05 -0500> From: scalongbow at windstream.net> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed> > Having held a Kingdom office twice, once in the east (3 yrs),> and once in AEthelmearc (4 years), and been a Society Officer (6 yrs).> I don't see a problem with requiring paid membership in order to hold the> most visible office there is. As K or Q of any given kingdom.> Or am I missing something here?> > Not only did I have the 'required' membership to hold my offices, but> also paid for additional kingdom newsletters as well.> > If your serious about wanting to be king, then a paid membership> as part of the requirement of entering the list field during crown torney> should not be difficult.> > If you wait till the last moment to pay up, then what kind of K or Q will> you be? One who waits till the last minute to do the duties required?> Been there, saw that and its not a pretty sight. All kingdoms deserve > better.> And its not that big of a burden. Most entrants in to Crown 'are' card> carring members as it is.> > Gwilym> _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Mon Jan 5 16:03:17 2009 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:03:17 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com><29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: But I agree with Dorinda - officers don't get booted out of office if their membership lapses for a short period of time. And probably for the same reasons - people get distracted and forget to take care of it. And frankly, a Kingdom Seneschal not being a member is, in my opinion, a lot more serious than a King not being a member. Why is it that the Crown is held to a higher and more stringent standard? Personally, I think what happened in the Middle was a ridiculous waste of an awful lot of time for a one day lapse due to a common human mistake. I can see if it is for an extended period of time - like months. But for a couple of days?! Orianna -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.andrew.cmu. edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.and rew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Duncan von Halstern Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:58 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Yes, you are missing something. To be any officer, from a shire herald to the King of the Kingdom, you have to be a paid member, this is nothing new. As was previously mentioned it is the BODs way of avoiding what happened in the Middle where due to mundane distractions the King and Queen sent their renewal in a day late and were not members for a day. Though only a day, it still broke the law and had to be dealt with. This is not something new saying the King and Queen have to be members. Count Duncan > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:41:05 -0500> From: scalongbow at windstream.net> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed> > Having held a Kingdom office twice, once in the east (3 yrs),> and once in AEthelmearc (4 years), and been a Society Officer (6 yrs).> I don't see a problem with requiring paid membership in order to hold the> most visible office there is. As K or Q of any given kingdom.> Or am I missing something here?> > Not only did I have the 'required' membership to hold my offices, but> also paid for additional kingdom newsletters as well.> > If your serious about wanting to be king, then a paid membership> as part of the requirement of entering the list field during crown torney> should not be difficult.> > If you wait till the last moment to pay up, then what kind of K or Q will> you be? One who waits till the last minute to do the duties required?> Been there, saw that and its not a pretty sight. All kingdoms deserve > better.> And its not that big of a burden. Most entrants in to Crown 'are' card> carring members as it is.> > Gwilym> _________________________________________________________________ It's the same Hotmail(r). If by "same" you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broa d1_122008 ________________________________________________________________________ _ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. ________________________________________________________________________ _ From donnghaile at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 16:06:30 2009 From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:06:30 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: <29c224fe0901051306x282cc425uda2700ed5858e2f7@mail.gmail.com> I make no arguments about royalty and officers having to be members. They must be, says so in the rules, I have no problem there. The problem that I have is that in order to show any interest at all in entering the list, that you must first show 2 years advanced membership. I also feel that if this is allowed to go through it will trickle down to other aspects of the SCA. Today we're talking about fighters entering crown tournament, which is already a dwindling number in AEthelmearc. Tomorrow we could be talking about any SCA officer, kingdom or local level, that in order to show any sort of interest in the running of your local shire you'll have to first show that you have a paid three year membership or you can't be an officer. That's going a bit far, but it's a logical step down that path. How likely would you have been to hold your first office, or get authorized to fight, or autocrat an event if told that you had to have your membership paid up for three years before you could do so? I do not contest the fact that memberships are required, but why mandate that it must be fully paid years in advance in order to show interest in being involved. Brandubh On 1/5/09, dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com wrote: > I don't think it is a huge burden, and certainly the Crown should be > members, but if a Kingdom or Corporate officer lapses, what happens? I > have never heard of a Kingdom Seneschal or Exchequer being booted from > office because their membership lapsed. And certainly, at local levels, > officers lapse in membership all the time. > > I support making the Crown be members, but I have never understood why > their burden to do so is larger than the officers that handle most of the > legal stuff we deal with as an organization. Shouldn't they all be treated > the same? > > Dorinda > > > > > > > Gwilym/Bill > tream.net> To > Sent by: discussion at aethelmearc.org > sca-aethelmearc-b cc > ounces > +dorinda.e.courti Subject > ne-white=cummins. Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora > com at lists.andrew. Proposed > cmu.edu > > > 01/05/2009 03:41 > PM > > > Please respond to > discussion at aethel > mearc.org > > > > > > > Having held a Kingdom office twice, once in the east (3 yrs), > and once in AEthelmearc (4 years), and been a Society Officer (6 yrs). > I don't see a problem with requiring paid membership in order to hold the > most visible office there is. As K or Q of any given kingdom. > Or am I missing something here? > > Not only did I have the 'required' membership to hold my offices, but > also paid for additional kingdom newsletters as well. > > If your serious about wanting to be king, then a paid membership > as part of the requirement of entering the list field during crown torney > should not be difficult. > > If you wait till the last moment to pay up, then what kind of K or Q will > you be? One who waits till the last minute to do the duties required? > Been there, saw that and its not a pretty sight. All kingdoms deserve > better. > And its not that big of a burden. Most entrants in to Crown 'are' card > carring members as it is. > > Gwilym > > > > Ben Cogan wrote: > > >Yes, I cannot condone this action. What's next, requiring that great > >officers show proof of their 3 year membership as part of their letter > >of intent? I know that they're trying to avoid a lapse of membership > >negating a reign, but there are much simpler methods than requiring > >everyone with passing interest in the crown, or who just wants to show > >up and be seen to have to buy up to do so. That sounds like a poll > >tax, actually. > > > >I'd be fine with requiring the winner to renew membership pretty much > >at the tourney, and be happier still to see the kingdom or society pay > >for it. I know that we'd likely have to not use SCA funds for this, > >as it does benefit an individual, but on the same token it benefits > >the realm. SCA money pays for royal travel fund, they are commonly > >comped at events, why can't it pay for memberships to keep the kingdom > >healthy? > > > >Brandubh O'Donnghaile > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From cellio at pobox.com Mon Jan 5 16:18:23 2009 From: cellio at pobox.com (Monica Cellio) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:18:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com><29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: Let me see if I have this right: we have a rule that says that if a royal membership lapses it makes a big mess all over the kingdom, and so, to avoid that, there is a proposed rule to lengthen the up-front membership requirement. It seems to me that this is one of two approaches to the problem; did the board or GC discuss the other? *Why* must a one-day lapse in a royal membership make a big mess? Maybe *that's* the rule that ought to change, not this one. If the current proposal passes, then in the interests of consistency we should also require that all applicants for all offices, local through corporate, first acquire memberships for the entire term of office. (That would be a four-year membership in advance for anyone on the board-nominee list, but surely that's a small price to pay for the honor of being nominated, right?) If we're not willing to do it for everyone, then what makes royals special? It's not impact on the legal/financial operation of the SCA, so what is it? She'erah From clannscot at hotmail.com Mon Jan 5 16:25:48 2009 From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:25:48 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Regional Fight Practice Message-ID: Mark your calendars now: February 22, 2009 Regional Fight Practice There will be a regional fight practice in Olean NY. Sponsored by the Shire of Blackwater, on February 22nd 2009 from 10 am till 7 p.m. This will be in conjunction with their Rattan Symposium February 21st. 2009 9 am till 7 pm The day is encouraged to revolve around getting to know one another with a Bear Pit Style Tourney, to be followed by pick ups between several weapon specific tourneys to round out the day. And of course there is always the possibility of some melees. So, plan coming to this ready for anything. And fight till your arms fall off! ALL skill levels welcome and encouraged to participate. The lunch for the day will be a ?bring a dish to pass? pot luck. There will be a donations collection to cover Hall rental for the day, Checks payable to SCA Inc, Blackwater If you would like to Head Marshal a Tourney, or have any questions related to this regional practice, or wish to Teach a class please contact; Lord Arddenn Scot at lordarddenn at gmail.com or 585-596-0613 after 6:30 pm please. No calls after 9 pm. If there are any questions about the Rattan Symposium or you wish to Teach a class contact: Autocrat, Lord Nugg (Russell Chamberlain) 1372 Lillibridge, Portville NY 14770 lordnugg at yahoo.com, 716-373-0988. Please join the Shire of Blackwater for a Rattan Symposium on February 21 and 22. Bring your sword and armour for a day of teaching and learning how to build a sword to advanced melee tactics. Classes will be catered to the students in attendance. And classes are hands on. For those who don't get enough fighting there is a regional fight practice on Sunday with a dish to pass lunch. Those without armour, fear not there will be a place to have hands on help building armour. And hopefully enough time to finish before Sunday. There will be an armour garage sale so bring extra armour you have lying around, slap a price on it and see if you can get someone else to take it home. There will be a female fighter tract for those who are in need of guidance or who need some girl time. Saturday site fee is $7 and a $3 non-member surcharge does apply. This includes lunch on Saturday. Sunday donations will be taken to cover hall rental. Make checks payable to SCA Inc., Blackwater. Site opens at 9:00 AM and closes at 7:00 PM. on Saturday. 12PM a lunch of pizza and wings with root beer made by Lord Nugg will be served. Directions: Find your best route to Interstate 86. From the West, go east. From the East go west toward Olean. Get off at Buffalo Road. Exit from the West, turn right. Exit from the East, turn left toward town. At the second light, turn right onto 12th St/Buffalo Road, go straight until you get to a T. At the T, turn right onto West State. At 17th St., turn left. The church is on the corner and has tan bricks. _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 From LadyAlexandra1 at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 16:29:34 2009 From: LadyAlexandra1 at comcast.net (Lady Alexandra) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:29:34 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c96f7c$b48fa370$1daeea50$@net> I guess I don't see what all the hoopla is about. I want to fight in Crown. I send in my letter, am found acceptable to the Crown, but my membership expires in December. So the day before Crown I renew online. I take my receipt of online membership with me, and everyone is happy. With everything else the Royals have to deal with, not worrying about when my membership expires is a blessing. Alexandra -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+ladyalexandra1=comcast.net at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+ladyalexandra1=comcast.net at lists.andrew.cmu. edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Ireland-Delfs Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Hello, Since this ws brought up on Grand Council, I'm bringing it up here. The Board has proposedca change to Corpora: Please note that the following proposed change has been previously discussed in a variety of forms, but is now being distributed for commentary. The Board of Directors would like commentary on the proposed change to Corpora: Section IV A 2 From: 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until their term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has processed the membership application is required before anyone may fight or be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of a valid membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, or a postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been received. To: 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a valid membership on the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that membership until their term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the Registry has processed the membership application*****and that it is valid through the end of their prospective reign ****** is required before anyone may fight or be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation consists of; a valid membership card, appearance of the name with a valid membership on a printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label issued by the Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, *****receipt of online membership (as downloaded from the renewal website)*****,* *or a postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the membership has been received. ---------------------------- If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the year following. At least that's how I & others read it. Thus a question: what impact would this change to Corpora have on the populace of Aethelmearc, or more directly, those possible entrants in Crown? Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From myfanwy at nauticom.net Mon Jan 5 16:41:03 2009 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:41:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com><29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: <57690.209.195.147.252.1231191663.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! Orianna wrote: > officers don't get booted out of office if > their membership lapses for a short period of time. Except that they can. A couple of years ago my membership was suspended (through no fault of my own, other than not noticing my newsletters hadn't been showing up in the mail) because there was a discrepancy between my mailing address and the barcode on my ?estel, and the issues were being returned as "no such address". As a result, my warrant for the College of Heralds got (effectively) yanked (meaning that I could not personally collect money at any consult table I worked). Fortunately, I got a head's up about the situation from Guilietta, who was Silver Buccle at the time. It took a good number of months, two more repeat incidents, and finally the assistance of a Postal Inspector calling Milpitas to get it straightened out. (Because I had paid extra for 1st class postage, I could go to the Inspector and say "I'm missing 1st class mail that I'm *supposed* to be getting", rather than dealing with yet another go-round of the Pgh Post Office and Milpitas pointing fingers at each other.) The Crowns are acting as agents of the Corporation, like it or not. They should be following the same requirements as everyone else who is an officer. If you can't afford (or can't be bothered) to keep track of something like renewing your membership in a timely fashion, how are you going to be able to afford (or be bothered) to do the work required to be on the Throne? It's not like renewing is such onerous work -- you can now do it online, and it just takes a few minutes (I did a three-year renewal for Alastar and me this last time). Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net From rosiebeth1884 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 16:42:49 2009 From: rosiebeth1884 at yahoo.com (Bethany Comegys) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Message-ID: <293654.69370.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm of two minds on this: I do agree that it seems odd to hold six month royalty to a more stringent membership requirement than several year officers, and that the incident in the Midrealm was unnecessary. Having seen and heard quite a lot during that incident, I was both bothered that the BoD's reaction was so heavy and relieved that they didn't boot their former majesties out completely and that they gave them a second chance (and obviously their Kingdom was behind them 100%). I would prefer it if they weren't as harsh, especially with extenuating circumstances. However, I am not particularly opposed to making it less likely that people will enter crown with "a passing interest" or just wanting to "show up and be seen". Personally I feel that if one is going to enter crown, one should be completely ready and prepared to win. There are plenty of other tournaments these days that allow you to "show up and be seen" without risking the entire kingdom's welfare on someone who wasn't serious or prepared. If that means requiring a pre-paid membership (and given that memberships online can now be bought with very little effort and for up to three years), then I wouldn't argue too much. I do disagree with some of the past pre-requisites for crown, because I think it's also the reigning royalty's responsibility to judge for themselves whether candidates are serious or not, but as these things go, I don't think this is that much to ask. As to the kingdom paying memberships, that bothers me a lot. First of all, the kingdom really isn't rich, for all that it sometimes may seem that way. The royalty do have a travel allowance, but given gas and hotel prices and the amount of traveling one is encouraged to do as royalty, it doesn't actually go very far. Royalty are not comped for Pennsic or other wars (to my knowledge...def. not Pennsic). If you increase what the kingdom is required to pay for, you are increasing the likelihood that corpora will ask for membership increases to pay for that. The less our memberships pay for, the better our argument for lower fees. -Branwyn From tupan4 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 17:06:33 2009 From: tupan4 at yahoo.com (Erin Kelly) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:06:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <647036.52905.qm@web50207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for the information. How would one officially comment on this? (Despite many years as a hanger-on, I'm not up on how things work beyond the kingdom level - though I am actually a member this year!) I agree that requiring all entrants to buy multiyear memberships is overkill. It kind of sounds like a money grab. Much better to require the tournament winners to buy memberships that cover their reigns within some period of time - if not immediately, as Lord Brandubh suggested, maybe within a month of becoming royalty - at the very least before coronation (if that's not already the requirement). Now, I'm not sure I agree with Lord Brandubh about buying memberships for royalty. Certainly nobody should be prevented from reigning because of financial inability, but for most people maintaining a membership is a small thing that demonstrates a commitment to the job and organization. It's the least they can do! On the other hand, I realize that a reign can incur substantial personal expenses as well as a large investment of time - maybe that amount of service is worth a trade. But you could make the argument that there are laurels, marshals, seneschals, and large-event autocrats volunteering just as much time and energy. Anyway, that's mostly a separate issue from this change, just an interesting one. ERIN / Elaine Fairchilde --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: > From: Thomas Ireland-Delfs > Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 3:10 AM > Hello, > > Since this ws brought up on Grand Council, I'm bringing > it up here. > The Board has proposedca change to Corpora: > > Please note that the following proposed change has been > previously > discussed > in a variety of forms, but is now being distributed for > commentary. > > The Board of Directors would like commentary on the > proposed change to > Corpora: > > > Section IV A 2 > > From: > > 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a > valid > membership on > the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that > membership until > their > term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the > Registry has > processed the membership application is required before > anyone may > fight or > be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation > consists of a valid > membership card, appearance of the name with a valid > membership on a > printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label > issued by the > Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, or a > postcard or > letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the > membership has been > received. > > To: > > 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a > valid > membership on > the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that > membership until > their > term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the > Registry has > processed the membership application*****and that it is > valid through > the > end of their prospective reign ****** is required before > anyone may > fight or > be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation > consists of; a > valid > membership card, appearance of the name with a valid > membership on a > printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label > issued by the > Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, > *****receipt of > online membership (as downloaded from the renewal > website)*****,* *or a > postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming > that the > membership > has been received. > > ---------------------------- > > If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean > that an > entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a > two-year > membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year > the Crown > is fought and continuing through the middle to end of > September the > year following. At least that's how I & others > read it. > > Thus a question: what impact would this change to Corpora > have on the > populace of Aethelmearc, or more directly, those possible > entrants in > Crown? > > Fridrikr inn gamli > > grasgar?r dvergr > siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr > non verba, acta > Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - > DorkTowers > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com Mon Jan 5 17:08:49 2009 From: olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com (Richard Reichert) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:08:49 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com> <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: <589CF685-55EA-4A31-BBC1-E2D2D8AFF292@twcny.rr.com> The problem that I can potentially see with this is with how membership renewals are handled. Can you actually renew a year in advance and still get credit for the year you already had remaining? Everyone entering crown is already required to have an active membership. Assuming you can renew as much as a year early without losing any credit, it would require that someone that regularly fights in crown to renew their membership a year early every year. This strikes me as silly. We're adults right? Olafr Delftwood From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Mon Jan 5 17:23:55 2009 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:23:55 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <57690.209.195.147.252.1231191663.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com><29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com><49627061.9020401@windstream.net> <57690.209.195.147.252.1231191663.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: Myfanwy - But this was something that caused your membership to seem to be "not valid" for a period of time...not for a lapse of a few days. Given the delay between when you renew your membership, the AEstel labels are printed, something gets returned to Milpitas, and the flags are raised, this wasn't just for a few days (I'm not saying it was right, I'm just pointing out that it was a little more complex and had a longer period of time involved). I am sure that there are officers who have had their membership lapse for a few days and not been suspended or removed from office. We have Crowns being suspended for a *one day lapse*. Given that renewing on-line does effectively make your renewal instantaneous, it seems very silly to go to all the trouble for some thing that is that quick. To answer a couple of other questions - if you renew prior to your current membership expiring, your new membership is just "added on" to your existing, so you do get credit for any remaining valid membership time. There is no reason why you can't renew early. And I am sure most officers and Crowns do their very best to ensure that their membership doesn't lapse. However, officers and Crowns can be very busy people. Most of them have mundane lives and jobs that they have to pay attention to as well as the amount of time and energy they need to put into an office or reign. An occasional mistake should be taken into account here. And SCA funds cannot purchase a membership - that goes against our not-for-profit status. Orianna -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of myfanwy at nauticom.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:41 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Greetings from Myfanwy! Orianna wrote: > officers don't get booted out of office if > their membership lapses for a short period of time. Except that they can. A couple of years ago my membership was suspended (through no fault of my own, other than not noticing my newsletters hadn't been showing up in the mail) because there was a discrepancy between my mailing address and the barcode on my ?estel, and the issues were being returned as "no such address". As a result, my warrant for the College of Heralds got (effectively) yanked (meaning that I could not personally collect money at any consult table I worked). Fortunately, I got a head's up about the situation from Guilietta, who was Silver Buccle at the time. It took a good number of months, two more repeat incidents, and finally the assistance of a Postal Inspector calling Milpitas to get it straightened out. (Because I had paid extra for 1st class postage, I could go to the Inspector and say "I'm missing 1st class mail that I'm *supposed* to be getting", rather than dealing with yet another go-round of the Pgh Post Office and Milpitas pointing fingers at each other.) The Crowns are acting as agents of the Corporation, like it or not. They should be following the same requirements as everyone else who is an officer. If you can't afford (or can't be bothered) to keep track of something like renewing your membership in a timely fashion, how are you going to be able to afford (or be bothered) to do the work required to be on the Throne? It's not like renewing is such onerous work -- you can now do it online, and it just takes a few minutes (I did a three-year renewal for Alastar and me this last time). Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From joy1teacher at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 18:09:38 2009 From: joy1teacher at yahoo.com (Joy Woofter) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:09:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] (Sylvan Glen) An Invitation to our 12th Night Celebration Message-ID: <916668.99344.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very true, i am sure just a small over sight... The Shire of Sylvan Glen is located in Martinsburg, WV For further information please feel free to contact? Jolene Butt wrote: From: Taranach McLeod Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] (Sylvan Glen) An Invitation to our 12th Night Celebration To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 8:05 AM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Please post Mundane location (and state) for any events as ?thelmearc is a VERY large area and those in say Syracuse, NY or Scranton, PA would find that a very long distance. Taranach On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Jolene Butt wrote: > > An Invitation to our 12th Night Celebration > > All are invited to our annual 12th night celebration. > > The celebration will be on Saturday January 10th, at Franklin Manor > Community Room. _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Mon Jan 5 18:19:42 2009 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:19:42 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Encouragement Message-ID: Hello, First my thanks to all who replied to my query about the Corpora change. I encourage each and every one of you to forward your comments to the Board of Directors, just as I will forward them to Grand Council. In service, Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers From schwoegl at verizon.net Mon Jan 5 20:31:00 2009 From: schwoegl at verizon.net (McAndrew-Schwoegl) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:31:00 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: <011601c96f9e$6ea98890$4bfc99b0$@net> Chirurgeons have to have a current SCA membership to be warranted as Chirurgeons. (Note, this does *not* prohibit anyone from doing first aide; you are doing it on your own instead of under the auspices of the SCA) Amaryllis -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+schwoegl=verizon.net at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+schwoegl=verizon.net at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:47 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed I don't think it is a huge burden, and certainly the Crown should be members, but if a Kingdom or Corporate officer lapses, what happens? I have never heard of a Kingdom Seneschal or Exchequer being booted from office because their membership lapsed. And certainly, at local levels, officers lapse in membership all the time. I support making the Crown be members, but I have never understood why their burden to do so is larger than the officers that handle most of the legal stuff we deal with as an organization. Shouldn't they all be treated the same? Dorinda From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 5 22:41:42 2009 From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:41:42 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [EK] Sir Eddward the Incorrigable Message-ID: <001501c96fb0$b0f89c60$1001a8c0@otter> -----Original Message----- From: sca-east-bounces at indra.com [mailto:sca-east-bounces at indra.com] On Behalf Of Rowen Stuffer Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:51 PM To: East Kingdom Subject: [EK] Sir Eddward the Incorrigable Forwarded on behalf of Their Excellencies Iron Bog, who have already sent this letter to the Barony of Iron Bog, EK South, the unbelted Tygers, House Runnymede, and the EK War Council. - Rowen Cloteworthy + + + To our many good friends: It is with deep sadness in our hearts that we bring you the news that yesterday Sir Eddward The Incorrigible, known by most as Sir Ethward, passed away. His untimely death was sudden and without warning. Please take some comfort knowing that he was surrounded by his friends and loved ones doing one of the things he loved, teaching fighting at our practice just before his passing. There is much that can and will be said about Sir Eddward. He was best described by those who knew him as a true knight in all ways. Our world has grown a little colder and become a little darker today. He will be missed by many who called him friend. Yours in service, Baron Lawrence and Baroness Katherine of Iron Bog _______________________________________________ sca-east mailing list sca-east at mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/sca-east From syrfinn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 22:46:12 2009 From: syrfinn at yahoo.com (Syrfinn) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:46:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <000c01c96f7c$b48fa370$1daeea50$@net> Message-ID: <383355.99436.qm@web110802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yep, would have to agree with that. I just dont see the problem. And definetly see the advantage of not having to worry about it, in case I won. Finn --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Lady Alexandra wrote: > From: Lady Alexandra > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 4:29 PM > I guess I don't see what all the hoopla is about. > > I want to fight in Crown. I send in my letter, am found > acceptable to the > Crown, but my membership expires in December. So the day > before Crown I > renew online. I take my receipt of online membership with > me, and everyone > is happy. With everything else the Royals have to deal > with, not worrying > about when my membership expires is a blessing. > > Alexandra > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > sca-aethelmearc-bounces+ladyalexandra1=comcast.net at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+ladyalexandra1=comcast.net at lists.andrew.cmu. > edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Ireland-Delfs > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:10 AM > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed > > Hello, > > Since this ws brought up on Grand Council, I'm bringing > it up here. > The Board has proposedca change to Corpora: > > Please note that the following proposed change has been > previously > discussed > in a variety of forms, but is now being distributed for > commentary. > > The Board of Directors would like commentary on the > proposed change to > Corpora: > > > Section IV A 2 > > From: > > 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a > valid > membership on > the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that > membership until > their > term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the > Registry has > processed the membership application is required before > anyone may > fight or > be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation > consists of a valid > membership card, appearance of the name with a valid > membership on a > printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label > issued by the > Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, or a > postcard or > letter from the Corporate Office confirming that the > membership has been > received. > > To: > > 2. Each competitor and prospective consort must hold a > valid > membership on > the day of the Royal Lists, and must maintain that > membership until > their > term of Royalty is over. Positive confirmation that the > Registry has > processed the membership application*****and that it is > valid through > the > end of their prospective reign ****** is required before > anyone may > fight or > be fought for in a Royal List. Positive confirmation > consists of; a > valid > membership card, appearance of the name with a valid > membership on a > printout from the Corporate Office, a membership label > issued by the > Corporate Office showing the name and expiration date, > *****receipt of > online membership (as downloaded from the renewal > website)*****,* *or a > postcard or letter from the Corporate Office confirming > that the > membership > has been received. > > ---------------------------- > > If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean > that an > entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a > two-year > membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year > the Crown > is fought and continuing through the middle to end of > September the > year following. At least that's how I & others > read it. > > Thus a question: what impact would this change to Corpora > have on the > populace of Aethelmearc, or more directly, those possible > entrants in > Crown? > > Fridrikr inn gamli > > grasgar?r dvergr > siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr > non verba, acta > Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - > DorkTowers > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From Papag350 at cs.com Mon Jan 5 23:32:05 2009 From: Papag350 at cs.com (Papag350 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:32:05 EST Subject: [SCA-AE] 12th nite rivers edge? schedule of day? Message-ID: Is there any inkling of what the day`s scheduled meetings will be? As a bunch of us are traveling from the east side of the Kingdom this knowledge would be most helpful as our day will be quite full! YIS, Lady Barbary Rose, Endless Hills > > Greetings, > > I have copied the announce for the event and attached it. I hope you will > find this helpful! > > If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to contact me. > > Yours In Service > Lord Angus MacDubh > > > Greetings Noble populace of AEthelmearc! Autumn is upon us! Yule > season approaches with haste! Make your plans now to gather and > celebrate Kingdom Twelfth Night in the Shire of Riversedge, on > January 10th, 2009! Make your reservations now! > > The site, Seton Catholic School (385 Pine St, Meadville, PA 16335) is > wet, handicapped accessible, there is ample parking, and plenty of > room to gather and for merchants. Meeting rooms will be available > for Orders wishing to schedule a time. > > A wondrous feast for the first 96 gentles with paid reservations will > follow the activities of the day. The feast will be prepared by Her > Excellency, Baroness Marsi of Hadley. Any dietary concerns should be > addressed to Baroness Marsi at (724)253-3636 or swally at alltel.net. > Also! A subtleties contest will be held, judged, and the entries > served at feast for all to enjoy! > > Autocrat for this event will be Lord Angus MacDubh (mka: Adam > Falkenburg) 26118 Smith-Heath Rd, Cochranton, PA 16314, (814) 425- > 7546, angusmacdubh at yahoo.com . > > The site will open at 11am and will close at 8pm. The site is > handicapped accessible, wet, and allows for enclosed flames during > feast. The fees for the day are as follows: Adult site fee $8.00, > Teen (13-17) site fee 7.00, Child (12 and under) site fee $4.00. > Adult feast $7.00 Child (12 and under) feast $4.00. Babes in arms > (under 5) are free. There will also be a 3.00 NMS fee in place. A > side board is included in the site fee and will be available most of > the day. > > All reservations may be sent to Lady Moira Reasgach (Carla Brown) > 23190 Griffith Road, Cambridge Springs, PA 16403. Please make all > checks payable to the SCA Inc - Shire of Riversedge From tessathehuntress at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 01:10:05 2009 From: tessathehuntress at comcast.net (tessathehuntress) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:10:05 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't see this as a necessary change. We, as many others reigned without any membership problems. I have two major concerns with this proposal. 1. Our crown lists are too often, IMO too small as it is. That's not just a problem here in AEthelmearc. I would hate to see anything deter our people from entering Crown. We can't always predict what opportunties can open up at the last minute and I would love to see more of our excellent fighters in Crown, not less. 2. It's not equal. I have been an officer of some sort, in the SCA for over 26 years now and none have the penalties that a one day lapse can cause, if you are on the throne. I believe we need to have reasonable care when enforcing the rules. If we are requiring this standard for our crowns, it should be equal across the board. I also don't think it's fair when some areas have a reign of 4 months (total, 1 month as prince and 3 as king) and other like us.. basically a year. IMO, this is an over-reaction to a simple problem. It sets a bad precedent. The problems should be handled individually or more simply. Really, what about personal responsibility? Those who tend to forget to renew on time, should renew early. The vast majority of our royalty have reigned, with no problem of re-newing on time. If we really need to "fix" this issue. Let's do it the easiest way.. Our kingdom seneschale is already required to confirm membership. The day of crown have the new prince and princess renew their membership right then and there, until the end of their reign. It can be witnessed by the seneschale or other great officer. That way, only the winners are effected by this "change" and it shouldn't deter anyone from entering Crown. It still doesn't even out the rules with other officer postions, but I believe it's a reasonable compromise, considering how many problems a small lapse can cause during a reign. I think it would be better if the BOD allowed allowances or ways to fix a lapse, in special circumstances, but I'm ok with it just effecting the winners, if that will fix these rare problems. Another possibility.. kingdoms can set stricter standards. Since this seems to be more of an issue, in just a couple of kingdoms.. maybe they can handle it within their kingdom rules, instead of making sweeping changes Society-wide. I can easily see this being caught up and required, for other officers and this is not a precedent I want established. Tessa, Duchess of AEthelmearc From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Tue Jan 6 05:54:01 2009 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:54:01 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Comments on Corpora Changes Message-ID: <31F9AFD4-6B07-4E62-AC69-9A4AB3F91CFF@rochester.rr.com> First, thanks for your comments, the most pertinent of which are being forwarded to Grand Council. Second, please send your comments to the Board of Directors, also. In service, Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Tue Jan 6 05:59:04 2009 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:59:04 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Saturday's Sylvan Bard Contest Message-ID: The Bardic Circle portion of this Twelfth Night's Sylvan Bard Contest (like American Idol without the pithy comments) will be from 1:30 til 3:00 on the Main Floor (we'll pick an area). Bring two pieces, preferably in two different forms (i.e., song & story, poetry & prose, instrumental & voice) for this portion. Format of the secon portion TBD by Their Royal Majesties, with Their Royal Highnesses' help, on the day. Looking forward to hearing MANY VOICES raised in song, Fridrikr inn gamli, Konungaskald grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers From rosiebeth1884 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 08:21:01 2009 From: rosiebeth1884 at yahoo.com (Bethany Comegys) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:21:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corporal Proposal Message-ID: <104902.69603.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Obviously I'm missing something: Crowns in AEthelmearc have at most a one year reign, right? You fight crown in mid-October, provided you win, you step down in mid-September. If you fight in May, you step down in April. Actually, it usually works out to 11months. How is that needing a 2 year membership? Not that I'm still arguing particularly...I do fully agree with others that what really ought to be changed here is the attitude that a one day (or even one week) lapse in membership by accident rather than by design needs to result in a new set of royalty instantly. Regardless of my feelings on eligibility for crown, I think I'd nearly always advocate in favor of less corporate or kingdom laws, especially when they aren't necessary. -Branwyn >If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an >entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year >membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown >is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the >year following. At least that's how I & others read it. From donnghaile at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 08:33:53 2009 From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:33:53 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corporal Proposal In-Reply-To: <104902.69603.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <104902.69603.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29c224fe0901060533v308023acp4a944ea592870720@mail.gmail.com> I guess it comes down to interpretation. I find it likely that this would be enforced as part of the the letter of intent to fight in crown. That at the time of writing that letter, another month before the tourney, proof would have to be provided that membership extends past the prospective end of the reign, that makes the time period at least 12 months. And you could be not invited to fight int he tourney if the memberships are not in place when letters are received. Additionally the likelyhood that the memberships of the fighters in crown will expire at the tournament is low, and so anyone whose membership expires in August would have to buy 2 years at least to be covered through any reign, while someone who expires in May could eak through a winter reign with only a one year renewal, but would still need two years for a summer reign. Brandubh On 1/6/09, Bethany Comegys wrote: > Obviously I'm missing something: Crowns in AEthelmearc have at most a one year reign, right? You fight crown in mid-October, provided you win, you step down in mid-September. If you fight in May, you step down in April. Actually, it usually works out to 11months. How is that needing a 2 year membership? > Not that I'm still arguing particularly...I do fully agree with others that what really ought to be changed here is the attitude that a one day (or even one week) lapse in membership by accident rather than by design needs to result in a new set of royalty instantly. Regardless of my feelings on eligibility for crown, I think I'd nearly always advocate in favor of less corporate or kingdom laws, especially when they aren't necessary. > -Branwyn > > >If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an > >entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year > >membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown > >is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the > >year following. At least that's how I & others read it. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From jchakalis at admin.rochester.edu Tue Jan 6 09:01:40 2009 From: jchakalis at admin.rochester.edu (Chakalis, Joseph) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:01:40 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <275218.21662.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com><29c224fe0901051209u4f3835fcx2f9f8196fdd7960c@mail.gmail.com><49627061.9020401@windstream.net><57690.209.195.147.252.1231191663.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <6DC217519AB34447863951AA687AC7CEC663DA@ITS-EXC2.UR.Rochester.edu> While NFP funds cannot be used to purchase a membership I believe that memberships can be comped. Perhaps the simple solution would be to comp a membership extension of 12 months for royalty. It would cost the corporation a small percentage of income but prevent future PR issues. Saleem -----Original Message----- And SCA funds cannot purchase a membership - that goes against our not-for-profit status. Orianna From jchakalis at admin.rochester.edu Tue Jan 6 09:08:12 2009 From: jchakalis at admin.rochester.edu (Chakalis, Joseph) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:08:12 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DC217519AB34447863951AA687AC7CEC663DC@ITS-EXC2.UR.Rochester.edu> Duchess Tessa's recommendation is excellent... simple and effective. Let's do that one! Saleem -----Original Message----- If we really need to "fix" this issue. Let's do it the easiest way.. Our kingdom seneschale is already required to confirm membership. The day of crown have the new prince and princess renew their membership right then and there, until the end of their reign. It can be witnessed by the seneschale or other great officer. That way, only the winners are effected by this "change" and it shouldn't deter anyone from entering Crown. Tessa, Duchess of AEthelmearc From robinson at clandiarmat.com Tue Jan 6 10:04:02 2009 From: robinson at clandiarmat.com (Robinson Neidhardt) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:04:02 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <6DC217519AB34447863951AA687AC7CEC663DA@ITS-EXC2.UR.Rochester.edu> Message-ID: <200901061504.n06F4FtH030329@mx2.andrew.cmu.edu> Quick Question. As Royalty are officers of SCA Inc. - would any decisions that they made while non-members - actually have any legal standing? I raise this point - as since it is required by our policies - then any appeal would first have to look at the actual letter of the policies to see if it was followed. If so - then even a 1 hour lapse - if any decisions (such as a banishing) made within that hour - are null and void. And - if it is discovered that there was a discrepancy in membership times - then it would need to be proven that no decisions were made with in that time period. Consider the paper work nightmare. Just pointing out the "big picture" - as rules are usually created due to big picture issues. Yours in Service, Eoghan Rorikson From CNesbit253 at aol.com Tue Jan 6 10:14:04 2009 From: CNesbit253 at aol.com (CNesbit253 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:14:04 EST Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corporal Proposal Message-ID: Speaking simply as someone who has sat a throne before, the argument that requiring a membership for two years is a financial hardship simply does not hold up. If you can't afford the cost of membership for two years, if that was the requirement, then you really should not be fighting in a Crown as a reign will cost you more than that membership ever will. Christopher, Rex **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From angusmacdubh at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 10:59:27 2009 From: angusmacdubh at yahoo.com (Angus MacDubh) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:59:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Kingdom Twelfth Night Schedule Message-ID: <966565.42298.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings unto the populace of Sylvan AEthelmearc!? Here is the schedule?of the day for Kingdom Twelfth Night: ? 11:00 - Site Opens 12:00 - Early Court 1:30-3:00 - Bardic Championship 4:15-4:30 - Performances by:? The Debatable Choir ????????????????????????????????????????????Thescorre's Ravenssong 4:30-6:00 - Court 6:00-8:00 - Feast 8:00 - Site Closes ? 12:00-4:30 - Sideboard (not a per se lunch) is available ? Meeting Room 1 11:00-1:00 - Order of the Millrind 1:00-2:00 - Order of the Pelican 2:00-3:00 - Order of Chivalry 3:00-4:00 - Order of the Laurel ? Meeting Room 2 1:00-2:00?- AE Equestrians 2:00-3:00 - Glove Making Class (Limited to 30) 3:00-4:30 - AE Youth Marshal Academy ? ? Yours In Service Lord Angus MacDubh From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Tue Jan 6 11:21:35 2009 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (fridrikr at rochester.rr.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:21:35 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <200901061504.n06F4FtH030329@mx2.andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <20090106162135.FCKP4.18124.root@hrndva-web16-z01> Seems to me that such a lase would produce only a minor headache, as would a lapse of a day or so. But the Board feels otherwise, as in the Middle Kingdom snafu this past year. It created HUGE messes of hair-pulling, shirt-rending, and hullabaloo-raising on lists throughout the Known World. Far as I'm concerned, I take the standard attitude we have at our business, "Anything can be fixed...." So can such a lapse. But, as I say, the BoD feels otherwise. Fridrikr, speaking as a private citizen. ---- Robinson Neidhardt wrote: > Quick Question. > > As Royalty are officers of SCA Inc. - would any decisions that they made > while non-members - actually have any legal standing? I raise this point - > as since it is required by our policies - then any appeal would first have > to look at the actual letter of the policies to see if it was followed. > > If so - then even a 1 hour lapse - if any decisions (such as a banishing) > made within that hour - are null and void. And - if it is discovered that > there was a discrepancy in membership times - then it would need to be > proven that no decisions were made with in that time period. > > Consider the paper work nightmare. > > Just pointing out the "big picture" - as rules are usually created due to > big picture issues. > > Yours in Service, > > Eoghan Rorikson > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From myfanwy at nauticom.net Tue Jan 6 12:10:48 2009 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:10:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Some ruminations (was Re: Change in Corpora Proposed) In-Reply-To: <20090106162135.FCKP4.18124.root@hrndva-web16-z01> References: <20090106162135.FCKP4.18124.root@hrndva-web16-z01> Message-ID: <57881.209.195.147.252.1231261848.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! In all of these discussions, I keep having the same overall impression/ overview (sort of a meta-view, of which this specific issue is only a minor part). I don't know if this is an accurate assessment or not, but recently I've had to deal with similar issues on the mundane level, so maybe I'm just looking at it from a different mindset -- as an LLC, I'm required by PA law to have annual meetings and keep minutes of said meetings -- but as a (currently) sole-member LLC I get to have meetings with...*myself* (go figure). The way I see it, once upon the time there was the SCA and it was deemed to be good. Only somewhere along the line, someone said "Hey, if we register as a non-profit corporation, we can take the money we spend on our hobby off our taxes as a deduction" without really thinking through *all* the ramifications and unintended consequences. Now, years later, said unintended consequences are starting to crop up and people (specifically, but perhaps not exclusively, the BoD) are now saying "oops" (the whole Tony Provine business comes to mind). Now I have absolutely no idea if this scenario is remotely accurate, but it does seem to be a fairly logical assessment (I just took an entrepreneurship class this fall, and one of the people in the class was starting a risk-analysis consulting business, aimed at government and law-enforcement primarily, but possibly also aimed at businesses: "in 5 years this is what dealing with Iran is going to be like if you do X", so you might want to consider doing Y -- but here are the additional ramifications of doing Y" -- pretty heady stuff). Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > Seems to me that such a lase would produce only a minor headache, as would > a lapse of a day or so. But the Board feels otherwise, as in the Middle > Kingdom snafu this past year. It created HUGE messes of hair-pulling, > shirt-rending, and hullabaloo-raising on lists throughout the Known World. > > Far as I'm concerned, I take the standard attitude we have at our > business, "Anything can be fixed...." So can such a lapse. But, as I > say, the BoD feels otherwise. > > Fridrikr, speaking as a private citizen. From baronessteresa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 10:14:49 2009 From: baronessteresa at yahoo.com (Tracey Stoever) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:14:49 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] next Tournaments Illuminated Quest! Message-ID: Contribute to our next Quest Article Now! Our upcoming Quest Article, with Guest Editor Marcus Antaya | Gyric of Otershaghe, is "They Got Me!", featuring humorous or heartwarming tales of receiving an SCA award. Were you one of the members who doubted that they called the right name? Perhaps you tried to sprint to court (with disastrous results) after being called. One member recalls trying to convince Their Majesties that They couldn't have possibly meant her! Send us an e-mail with your remembrances (up to 200 words) to tieditor at sca.org by February 7, 2009, and it may be included in the Second Quarter (2009) Issue of Tournaments Illuminated. Submission of any work to TI constitutes permission to publish said work without compensation. The author retains all original copyrights to the submission. (submitted by Teresa) From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 12:23:42 2009 From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:23:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Message-ID: <393096.44809.qm@web39506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hullo. I pretty much agree with Her Grace, here. It's not that it's burdensome, fiscally or otherwise. It's more of a principle issue for me. Keeping up one's membership as an officer, a territorial head, or a crowned head is part of responsible leadership within the Society. (Heck, I believe that keeping up one's membership is a part of responsible participation, plain and simple, but that's just my opinion. I can well understand the choice not to support the Board with one's membership fees. But that's a different matter altogether.) The point is that maintaining continuous membership while occupying any official leadership position is something we already expect. Moreover, it's something that no one who competes in crown, IMO, would willfully disregard. The Midrealm incident was, as I understand it, merely an unfortunate set of circumstances. I don't excuse the disorganization, negligence or whatever it was that led to the lapse in membership, but I know from personal experience how the demands of constant travel and chronic over-commitment can lead to an item on the to-do list falling through the cracks - even one as important as paying a bill or renewing a membership. And as when a bill gets late fees applied, there are consequences to allowing such a situation to happen, so I don't say there shouldn't have been any penalty. Unfortunately I think in this case, that penalty was disproportionate to the offense. Not that I'm an expert, but there might have been other options to resolve the problem without the expense and disruption that occurred. In the same vein, I think that if the concern is that a membership will lapse, there are simpler and more appropriate ways to ensure continuous membership. There is no need to issue a blanket requirement that anyone competing in crown across the Known World should and must provide additional revenue to the Board on the 1:20 (average) chance that they'll win. Gwen ----- Original Message ---- From: tessathehuntress To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 1:10:05 AM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed I don't see this as a necessary change. We, as many others reigned without any membership problems. I have two major concerns with this proposal. 1. Our crown lists are too often, IMO too small as it is. That's not just a problem here in AEthelmearc. I would hate to see anything deter our people from entering Crown. We can't always predict what opportunties can open up at the last minute and I would love to see more of our excellent fighters in Crown, not less. 2. It's not equal. I have been an officer of some sort, in the SCA for over 26 years now and none have the penalties that a one day lapse can cause, if you are on the throne. I believe we need to have reasonable care when enforcing the rules. If we are requiring this standard for our crowns, it should be equal across the board. I also don't think it's fair when some areas have a reign of 4 months (total, 1 month as prince and 3 as king) and other like us.. basically a year. IMO, this is an over-reaction to a simple problem. It sets a bad precedent. The problems should be handled individually or more simply. Really, what about personal responsibility? Those who tend to forget to renew on time, should renew early. The vast majority of our royalty have reigned, with no problem of re-newing on time. If we really need to "fix" this issue. Let's do it the easiest way.. Our kingdom seneschale is already required to confirm membership. The day of crown have the new prince and princess renew their membership right then and there, until the end of their reign. It can be witnessed by the seneschale or other great officer. That way, only the winners are effected by this "change" and it shouldn't deter anyone from entering Crown. It still doesn't even out the rules with other officer postions, but I believe it's a reasonable compromise, considering how many problems a small lapse can cause during a reign. I think it would be better if the BOD allowed allowances or ways to fix a lapse, in special circumstances, but I'm ok with it just effecting the winners, if that will fix these rare problems. Another possibility.. kingdoms can set stricter standards. Since this seems to be more of an issue, in just a couple of kingdoms.. maybe they can handle it within their kingdom rules, instead of making sweeping changes Society-wide. I can easily see this being caught up and required, for other officers and this is not a precedent I want established. Tessa, Duchess of AEthelmearc _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From odlahorde at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 12:35:47 2009 From: odlahorde at yahoo.com (Rob Baldassano) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:35:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed References: <20090106162135.FCKP4.18124.root@hrndva-web16-z01> Message-ID: <590110.96797.qm@web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not seeing the proposed changes as anything major. The wording change is actually in our favor. They are saying "If you have to get your membership renewed the day OF the event, so be it, just provide proof that you have done so, in some form" We already had a pay to play statement in the documents, now they are relaxing it a bit and saying that as long as we provide valid proof we have paid to play, in one way or another (including the gasp - internet receipt), that we are good to go. There is no mystery here, there is no hidden agenda. I really feel like this one is face value folks, and we are discussing the hell out of it, for no apparent reason. Last year I had a lapse in my membership. I notified my regional and Kingdom office of my lapse, and that checked to determine if it would affect my ability to continue to do the jobs I had already been doing. In a non-decision making position, it appears that the answer was that the lapse (of 20 minutes) was handled, because I notified the upper level offices of the lapse, and the recovery from the lapse, in a timely manner. What the BoD appears to be saying here is that if you are going to make decisions / make policies / etc. the least you can do is to make sure that your membership is up to date for your term of office. Most offices are 2 years. there is now an option to buy a 2 year membership from sca.org (I don't recall if you can get a 3 year or not... boy wouldn't that be nice for being in a seated Baronial situation) But the point is, IMHO, that the BoD is asking each person who is looking at taking a leadership role in the SCA to think through the ramifications of taking that position. If you are going to do so, shouldn't you be able to take responsibility for renewing your membership on time? I can tell all sorts of stories of other kingdoms where this person or that let their membership slide at a very inopportune time. The issue is not a short lapse (probably) but rather long lapses. --Eirik - ________________________________ Herre Eirik Haarfager Goransson / Rob Baldassano Member, Barony of Endless Hills; Marshal - at Large & Deputy Baronial Marshal; House Odlahorde; Viking & All around Good Egg ; VROC #5029 (Tigger) come visit http://www.dracowolf.com ---------------------------- Come see our online store, now available at: http://shop.dracowolf.com =============== Check out this cool Medieval era game --> http://www.tribalwars.net/2040463.html From odlahorde at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 12:55:57 2009 From: odlahorde at yahoo.com (Rob Baldassano) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:55:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corporal Proposal References: <104902.69603.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <29c224fe0901060533v308023acp4a944ea592870720@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11409.99816.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ummmm , In response to the below statement... How many of you have NOT had a membership for more than 2 years? How many of us have been in the SCA as members in good standing (barring financial issues cropping up on a given month), for more than 3 years? 4 ? 10? 15? I just hit my 20 year mark in the SCA as a paid member. Like I said in an earlier post, I had 1 lapse of 20 minutes last year, due to finances. In all that time, I have held offices at various levels of the SCA (never the BoD, nor a Royal position, but...) The point here is that if you are already "Shelling out" your membership dues each year, why quibble over this? For those taking office in a Royal position, or as a major office of the group/region/Kingdom, don't they have to be the ones who are voicing opinions here too? Let's not forget the focus here folks. >From my last reconing: Over active 20,000 members. By best guesstimates somewhere over triple that figure of people who do not have, or never did have a membership, but they still attend events. 20,000 members. I know that those numbers are low... but still. DANG PEOPLE... this is what keeps the SCA afloat, the members like you and I who pay their dues, go to events, and enjoy the events and activities available. Whether we hold office or not, the benefits of membership alone outway the "I can afford the $3 NMS fee" arguement. Just with Pennsic alone. if you take the NMS fee and put it towards your membership... guess what? You could be a member (Doh !) for those that go to one event a year, that is not Pennsic, sorry folks, but is this really the discussion that you want to push? Why not push for things like... Lower site fees for events? More emphasis on the accuracy of activities/garb/persona than whether or not some one has a piece of paper to prove they are members. I have in the past not been able to find my membership card just before an event. Lucky for me, when I did so, before the online membership form came along, I was able to have the members list checked for the fighting, and that gave me my proof of membership for the day. Now as long as you have internet access and a printer, you can provide this to anyone. With the advent of the aircard for internet services, and a portable printer, proof of membership COULD be verified right at the gate when you check in. Imagine, you drive up, and realize "Hey I remembered my auth card, I remembered my checkbook, but hey, where's my wallet?" Then you remember that it's in your living room on the coffee table. So you get out of the car, walk up and ask to use the kiosk to display your membership validation. for a minor fee you get to print a copy for the MOL. As a courtesy, the person at gate sends a txt message / email to the MOL. "Lord So-and-so signed in and validated membership for the list". The MOL checks the auth card database on their laptop, and checks Lord So-and-so in as he is stepping up to the MOL table. moments before the list starts, they send the seed order to a pda. The pda is brought to the reigning royals at the event. they check if off, and it's handed over to the Herald. The Herald calls the first fights, and clicks a button to acknowledge the winner. The program that the MOL has loaded onto the PDA automatically seeds the lists, and updates the MOL laptop via bluetooth. In the end, the lists run smoother, the fighters get to have more fun with fewer long breaks, and the crowd gets an eye full of some really fun fighting. I know this is tech meets the Middle Ages, but hey we do live in the instant information age. --Eirik (Techno Viking) > >If this is passed, a member of GC points out, it will mean that an > >entrant in a September Crown in Aethelmearc will need a two-year > >membership, beginning on or about September 1st of the year the Crown > >is fought and continuing through the middle to end of September the > >year following. At least that's how I & others read it. - ________________________________ Herre Eirik Haarfager Goransson / Rob Baldassano Member, Barony of Endless Hills; Marshal - at Large & Deputy Baronial Marshal; House Odlahorde; Viking & All around Good Egg ; VROC #5029 (Tigger) come visit http://www.dracowolf.com ---------------------------- Come see our online store, now available at: http://shop.dracowolf.com =============== Check out this cool Medieval era game --> http://www.tribalwars.net/2040463.html ________________________________ From angusmacdubh at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 13:00:59 2009 From: angusmacdubh at yahoo.com (Angus MacDubh) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:00:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Kingdom Twelfth Night Schedule In-Reply-To: <966565.42298.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <844629.32240.qm@web50108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Greetings, ? A minor modification to the event schedule. ? In Meeting Room 2 ? 1:00-1:30? -? AE Equestrian 1:30-3:00? -? Glovemaking Class (Limit 30) ? All other information remains the same. ? Sorry for any inconvenience. ? YIS Angus --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Angus MacDubh wrote: From: Angus MacDubh Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Kingdom Twelfth Night Schedule To: announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:59 AM Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings unto the populace of Sylvan AEthelmearc!? Here is the schedule?of the day for Kingdom Twelfth Night: ? 11:00 - Site Opens 12:00 - Early Court 1:30-3:00 - Bardic Championship 4:15-4:30 - Performances by:? The Debatable Choir ????????????????????????????????????????????Thescorre's Ravenssong 4:30-6:00 - Court 6:00-8:00 - Feast 8:00 - Site Closes ? 12:00-4:30 - Sideboard (not a per se lunch) is available ? Meeting Room 1 11:00-1:00 - Order of the Millrind 1:00-2:00 - Order of the Pelican 2:00-3:00 - Order of Chivalry 3:00-4:00 - Order of the Laurel ? Meeting Room 2 1:00-2:00?- AE Equestrians 2:00-3:00 - Glove Making Class (Limited to 30) 3:00-4:30 - AE Youth Marshal Academy ? ? Yours In Service Lord Angus MacDubh _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From battalion73 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 13:48:17 2009 From: battalion73 at yahoo.com (Troy Headland) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <200901061504.n06F4FtH030329@mx2.andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <497255.52502.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think her Grace Tessa had the most reasonable method of handling this "not as pressing as it is being made to be" problem.? I don't see any need to have a 2 year membership.? How about this.? You enter the list with a valid membership, you win the tourney and you have 1 week to renew after winning.? Its easy as pie www.sca.org and do the online renewal.? If you can renew your membership in that first week then shame on you.? This will keep the ever shrinking lists from shrinking further if someone doesn't get it done the day of.? ? As HRM stated if you can't afford a 2 year membership you can't afford to reign.??I agree with that I just don't agree with all the hoop jumping.? If as an example Christopher's membership were to lapse during the reign I don't view his ability to sit on the throne compromised.? It doesn't make him unable to make good decisions.? Life happens to everyone at times and yes we have rules but at the same time this is supposed to be for enjoyment.? I participate in the SCA to get away from the insanity of real life corporate america.? Can we please not make it the same monster. ? As Always, In Service ? Gabriel Hawkes --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Robinson Neidhardt wrote: From: Robinson Neidhardt Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:04 AM Quick Question. As Royalty are officers of SCA Inc. - would any decisions that they made while non-members - actually have any legal standing? I raise this point - as since it is required by our policies - then any appeal would first have to look at the actual letter of the policies to see if it was followed. If so - then even a 1 hour lapse - if any decisions (such as a banishing) made within that hour - are null and void. And - if it is discovered that there was a discrepancy in membership times - then it would need to be proven that no decisions were made with in that time period. Consider the paper work nightmare. Just pointing out the "big picture" - as rules are usually created due to big picture issues. Yours in Service, Eoghan Rorikson _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From june at tiltedhalo.org Tue Jan 6 13:56:17 2009 From: june at tiltedhalo.org (June) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:56:17 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <6DC217519AB34447863951AA687AC7CEC663DC@ITS-EXC2.UR.Rochester.edu> References: <6DC217519AB34447863951AA687AC7CEC663DC@ITS-EXC2.UR.Rochester.edu> Message-ID: <002601c97030$7534b760$5f9e2620$@org> Or give them 7 days after Crown to provide the Kingdom Seneschal with proof of extended membership to cover the duration of their reign. Juliana -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+june=tiltedhalo.org at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+june=tiltedhalo.org at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Chakalis, Joseph Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:08 AM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org; tessathehuntress at comcast.net Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Duchess Tessa's recommendation is excellent... simple and effective. Let's do that one! Saleem -----Original Message----- If we really need to "fix" this issue. Let's do it the easiest way.. Our kingdom seneschale is already required to confirm membership. The day of crown have the new prince and princess renew their membership right then and there, until the end of their reign. It can be witnessed by the seneschale or other great officer. That way, only the winners are effected by this "change" and it shouldn't deter anyone from entering Crown. Tessa, Duchess of AEthelmearc _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1877 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 7:20 PM From duncanvh at hotmail.com Tue Jan 6 14:12:13 2009 From: duncanvh at hotmail.com (Duncan von Halstern) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:12:13 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <497255.52502.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200901061504.n06F4FtH030329@mx2.andrew.cmu.edu> <497255.52502.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That does seem the most reasonable. The law should be applied if you win Crown, not if you want to fight in Crown. If this were to be applied to all officers and you wanted to run for Baron that has a three year term. You would need a four year membership just to put in a letter if intent, win or lose. This seems like a lot of trouble to go through to make sure a King or Queens membership doesn't laps. We've already heard where officer's memberships laps all the time and they correct it and the Kingdom doesn't come to a screeching halt.. Count Duncan> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:48:17 -0800> From: battalion73 at yahoo.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed> > I think her Grace Tessa had the most reasonable method of handling this "not as pressing as it is being made to be" problem. I don't see any need to have a 2 year membership. How about this. You enter the list with a valid membership, you win the tourney and you have 1 week to renew after winning. Its easy as pie www.sca.org and do the online renewal. If you can renew your membership in that first week then shame on you. This will keep the ever shrinking lists from shrinking further if someone doesn't get it done the day of. > > As HRM stated if you can't afford a 2 year membership you can't afford to reign. I agree with that I just don't agree with all the hoop jumping. If as an example Christopher's membership were to lapse during the reign I don't view his ability to sit on the throne compromised. It doesn't make him unable to make good decisions. Life happens to everyone at times and yes we have rules but at the same time this is supposed to be for enjoyment. I participate in the SCA to get away from the insanity of real life corporate america. Can we please not make it the same monster.> > As Always, In Service> > Gabriel Hawkes> > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Robinson Neidhardt wrote:> > From: Robinson Neidhardt > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:04 AM> > Quick Question.> > As Royalty are officers of SCA Inc. - would any decisions that they made> while non-members - actually have any legal standing? I raise this point -> as since it is required by our policies - then any appeal would first have> to look at the actual letter of the policies to see if it was followed. > > If so - then even a 1 hour lapse - if any decisions (such as a banishing)> made within that hour - are null and void. And - if it is discovered that> there was a discrepancy in membership times - then it would need to be> proven that no decisions were made with in that time period.> > Consider the paper work nightmare.> > Just pointing out the "big picture" - as rules are usually created> due to> big picture issues.> > Yours in Service,> > Eoghan Rorikson> > > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the> list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________> > > > > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ From CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com Tue Jan 6 14:29:21 2009 From: CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com (CaptainGunnarr at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:29:21 EST Subject: [SCA-AE] Fw: White Hart Announcement Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/2009 8:20:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, etturnbull at juno.com writes: > Tournament of the White Hart XIII > > The Shire of Port Oasis invites all lovers and fighters to the Thirteenth > Tournament of the White Hart being held this year on February 27th, 28th, and > March 1st at the Cabell County 4-H Camp (6040 Booten Creek Rd, Barboursville, > WV, 25504). > > This year?s event will include not only the infamous Heavy Weapons Tourney > with the Ladies Gallery to inspire the most chivalric fighters, and a > challenging Fencing Tourney that has been designed to test the gallant bravery of our > fencers. Master Robert the Grey has designed a Roving Range to tantalize > our skilled archers. And furthermore something new this year, we are offering > the first White Hart Thrown Weapons Tourney which has been designed by THL > Alaxandair O?conchabhair which he promises will test your mind and mettle. > > If marshaled arts are not to your favor, there will also be an Arts and > Science display so bring your arts and show off what you love to do. If you have > no finished work to display, bring a current project and share your knowledge. > > A sumptuous feast is being prepared by Zofia Piotrowska and Faolan Dubh mac > Lochlainn, We have been privileged to taste several dishes and we know you > are in for a treat. Feast is limited to 70. Direct any dietary concerns to > Melissa_hoburg at yahoo.com. The site is discreetly damp, period containers please. > Open flames are permitted in the feast hall. > > The event will open at 6:00 p.m. on Friday, February 27th. And close at > 10:00 a.m. on Sunday. > Event Fees are Adults $9.00, Adult on Board (includes lunch on Saturday) > $9.00. > Child Site fee (5-11 years), $5.00, Child on Board $5.00 > Please do not forget the $3.00 non member sur-charge. > Cabins are $30.00-$40.00 per night > Camping is free > Lodge-Dorm bunk style $3.00 for week end. > Make Checks payable to: SCA Inc. Shire of Port Oasis > > Reservationist: THL Ros O?Donnell, (Angie Kummer, 445 Alabama Street, > Huntington WV, 25704) irishros at hotmail.com (304) 521-6860. > > Autocrats: Two Turnbulls (Tarc and Elspeth), (Pamela and Garry Dick, 604 > Thirteenth Avenue, Huntington WV, 25701) etturnbull at Juno.com (304)522-4912. > > Co-Autocrat: Lord " Captain Gunnarr" the Smith (Keith Mosteller, 10 Par > Drive, Sod WV, 25564). > > Directions: Take your best rout to I 64 Huntington, West Virginia. > > FROM THE NORTH/EAST: Take Exit 18 (Merritts Creek). Turn Left off the exit; > drive a short distance to Rt. 60 West. Turn right at stop light onto Rt. 60 > West. Continue on Rt.60 West, through Barboursville, going through two stop > lights. After a short distance, you will reach a hill with a stoplight at the > bottom. (Keep to the right to avoid stopping). Near the top of the hill turn > left onto Alternate Route 10. Stay on Alt 10 for several minutes; you will see > a sign for 4-H Camp Road. Turn left onto 4-H Camp Road, continue a very > short distance to the camp on the left; there is parking in the lot, please do > not drive on the grass. > > FROM THE SOUTH/WEST: Take Exit 15, (29th Street Exit) of the exit, turn > right onto Route 60 East. Continue several minutes on Route 60 East to Alternate > Route 10 (you will pass a shopping center with a Kmart on the right, just > before the turn). Turn right onto Alternate Route 10. Stay on Alt 10 for several > minutes; you will see a sign for 4-H Camp Road. Turn left onto 4-H Camp > Road, continue a very short distance to the camp on the left; there is parking in > the lot, please do not drive on the grass. > > From scale at ma.rr.com Tue Jan 6 14:59:12 2009 From: scale at ma.rr.com (Samuel Cale IV) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:59:12 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <002601c97030$7534b760$5f9e2620$@org> References: <6DC217519AB34447863951AA687AC7CEC663DC@ITS-EXC2.UR.Rochester.edu> <002601c97030$7534b760$5f9e2620$@org> Message-ID: <4963B810.6040709@ma.rr.com> Or even make it policy that requires Valid membership on the day of crown and check again before Coronation takes place that they provide proof of membership throughout their time as King and Queen, since the Prince and Princess don't make any policy to my understanding until they become King and Queen. That gets it down to 1 year. Of course its hard to legislate responsibility which is what this is about Gareth June wrote: > Or give them 7 days after Crown to provide the Kingdom Seneschal with proof > of extended membership to cover the duration of their reign. > Juliana > > -----Original Message----- > From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+june=tiltedhalo.org at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+june=tiltedhalo.org at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On > Behalf Of Chakalis, Joseph > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:08 AM > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org; tessathehuntress at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed > > Duchess Tessa's recommendation is excellent... simple and effective. > Let's do that one! > > Saleem > > -----Original Message----- > > > If we really need to "fix" this issue. Let's do it the easiest way.. > Our > kingdom seneschale is already required to confirm membership. The day > of > crown have the new prince and princess renew their membership right then > and > there, until the end of their reign. It can be witnessed by the > seneschale > or other great officer. > > That way, only the winners are effected by this "change" and it > shouldn't > deter anyone from entering Crown. > > Tessa, Duchess of AEthelmearc > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1877 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 > 7:20 PM > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM > > From aeisenkopf at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 16:04:15 2009 From: aeisenkopf at comcast.net (aeisenkopf at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:04:15 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corporal Proposal Message-ID: <010620092104.15700.4963C74F000C6B2D00003D542200735834009F0105020A9C070A0E@comcast.net> Okay here's an example of how this would work. My membership expires at the end of May every year. I renew in early April to ensure no problems for the Spring crown. This makes my membership expire the end of the next May. I'm good for the requirement for Spring Crown but come October for Fall Crown, my membership while good for the tourney would expire before the end of the reign that would be won at Fall Crown. So options are to reup again 6 months into my membership or get a two year membership in May and continue to reup it every May to ensure it never expires in order to meet regulations for continued Crown Tourneys. The price is not the issue and I would comply if needed, but I agree with Her Grace Tessa in questioning whether this is the appropriate way to resolve the issue. In fact She and I had a discussion about this today over lunch. Would it not be more appropriate to put something into effect that would assist or remind the winners that they need to reup for an entire year after they win? Maybe not that day but within a week's time? I would not expect the SCA to pay for the membership but a reminder from the seneschal( or someone else designated) to Their Highnesses to ensure membership continues might be an option that would not require all that participate to have an extended membership the day of the tourney. Just my two cents, Baroness Anna From calvertdegrey at msn.com Tue Jan 6 16:58:47 2009 From: calvertdegrey at msn.com (Rich G) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:58:47 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corporal Proposal In-Reply-To: <010620092104.15700.4963C74F000C6B2D00003D542200735834009F0105020A9C070A0E@comcast.net> References: <010620092104.15700.4963C74F000C6B2D00003D542200735834009F0105020A9C070A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: Is there any provision in the proposal as to the procedure that should be followed if an error is made by the registry office and not by the prospective entrant? I know many of us have had problems with errors being made by Milpitas in regards to receipt and processing of fees in a timely fashion as well as data entry errors with addresses. What is a prospective entrant to do if he does indeed make his payment within the proper guidelines but it is not processed in a timely fashion because of an administrative mistake? It seems to me that there *is* no recourse until after the fact, by which time it is already too late. While I understand the motivations behind the proposal and in principle agree with it, it has to be secure from honest error on the part of the Corporate headquarters or other non-related parties like the US Postal Service. Rich Goranson (THL Stephan Calvert deGrey) Amherst, NY, USA (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life" - Henry II of England From taranach at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 20:25:38 2009 From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:25:38 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: I concur. I have been hearing entirely to much whining about membership in general. We are already HIGHLY unusual in that anyone can participate in SCA activities with nothing more than the three dollar NMS... Very nearly every other organization requires a membership to participate beyond the first time and EVERY other organization requires membership to hold any officer positions. Membership in the SCA costs less than most other memberships but apparently there are still some die-hards that are stuck in the sixties and want everything to be free. Sorry, this is 2009 and there are costs involved in doing nearly anything... we want to play and hold events, well that means we have to have insurance. Individual insurance rates for each "chapter" are going to be quite high in order to get the level of insurance that most site owners require. Having the central organization alleviates the burden from the smaller groups. I have no problem with not mandating membership for anyone who just wants to participate however, once anyone steps up to any officer position then I feel that they should hold and maintain proper membership until the end of their term. If they want to drop the membership after that point, fine. The bare minimum membership is still only $20 which is only the cost of a couple Starbucks coffees or a couple of pizzas. Why is there such an uproar with having to maintain membership to hold an office? Even in the groups that have no annual membership fees (like one of the Sci-Fi groups I am involved with) still REQUIRE membership in the group to hold an office and a strong financial commitment to make things run. Either way, whether one holds an office or not, once one has the membership it remains in force throughout the year including the associated benefits (such as the Kingdom newsletter a definite plus!) so there is really nothing lost... Even if a person only makes it to Pennsic and one other event, the membership has paid for itself! Bottom line is you are going to pay *something* to attend almost any given SCA event and if one is active, the membership virtually disappears anyway AND provides benefits! Even at the height of my struggles with poverty and unemployment several years back I only lost one year as a fully paid member since I started over 15 years ago. So I gave up buying that DVD in favor of having the longer lasting fun of the SCA... I think that it has been well worth it!! Taranach On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:47 PM, wrote: > I don't think it is a huge burden, and certainly the Crown should be > members, but if a Kingdom or Corporate officer lapses, what happens? I > have never heard of a Kingdom Seneschal or Exchequer being booted from > office because their membership lapsed. And certainly, at local levels, > officers lapse in membership all the time. > > I support making the Crown be members, but I have never understood why > their burden to do so is larger than the officers that handle most of the > legal stuff we deal with as an organization. Shouldn't they all be treated > the same? > > Dorinda > > > > > > > Gwilym/Bill > tream.net> To > Sent by: discussion at aethelmearc.org > sca-aethelmearc-b cc > ounces > +dorinda.e.courti Subject > ne-white=cummins. Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora > com at lists.andrew. Proposed > cmu.edu > > > 01/05/2009 03:41 > PM > > > Please respond to > discussion at aethel > mearc.org > > > > > > > Having held a Kingdom office twice, once in the east (3 yrs), > and once in AEthelmearc (4 years), and been a Society Officer (6 yrs). > I don't see a problem with requiring paid membership in order to hold the > most visible office there is. As K or Q of any given kingdom. > Or am I missing something here? > > Not only did I have the 'required' membership to hold my offices, but > also paid for additional kingdom newsletters as well. > > If your serious about wanting to be king, then a paid membership > as part of the requirement of entering the list field during crown torney > should not be difficult. > > If you wait till the last moment to pay up, then what kind of K or Q will > you be? One who waits till the last minute to do the duties required? > Been there, saw that and its not a pretty sight. All kingdoms deserve > better. > And its not that big of a burden. Most entrants in to Crown 'are' card > carring members as it is. > > Gwilym > > > > Ben Cogan wrote: > >>Yes, I cannot condone this action. What's next, requiring that great >>officers show proof of their 3 year membership as part of their letter >>of intent? I know that they're trying to avoid a lapse of membership >>negating a reign, but there are much simpler methods than requiring >>everyone with passing interest in the crown, or who just wants to show >>up and be seen to have to buy up to do so. That sounds like a poll >>tax, actually. >> >>I'd be fine with requiring the winner to renew membership pretty much >>at the tourney, and be happier still to see the kingdom or society pay >>for it. I know that we'd likely have to not use SCA funds for this, >>as it does benefit an individual, but on the same token it benefits >>the realm. SCA money pays for royal travel fund, they are commonly >>comped at events, why can't it pay for memberships to keep the kingdom >>healthy? >> >>Brandubh O'Donnghaile >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com Wed Jan 7 00:59:31 2009 From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:59:31 -0600 Subject: [SCA-AE] Stefan's Florilegium article for January Message-ID: Greetings to the Gentles of the Known World, Here is a copy of my first Florilegium artilce for 2009. If you are a newsletter editor and would like to get a copy of this monthly article before I post it to the Internet so you can print it in your newsletter, please contact me. If you have written any A&S documentation, especially any papers, please consider sending them to me for possible inclusion in the Florilegium. This is a wonderful way to let others learn from the effort you have been putting in as well as letting folks know what you are doing. I especially encourage Laurels to get their apprentices to send in papers. Since I will take updates to any articles the papers can always be improved later as more is learned. Thanks, Stefan -------------- A Blending of the Past and Present Over the past nineteen years in an ongoing effort, I have been collecting bits of useful information from various newsgroups, mail lists and articles submitted to me by their authors. In order to make this information available to others, I have placed this information in a collection of files I call Stefan's Florilegium. The Florilegium is on the web at: http://www.florilegium.org I am always interested in new articles. If you have written an article that would be of interest to others in the SCA, please send it to me for possible inclusion in the Florilegium. A&S documentation and class handouts will also often work out well. THLord Stefan li Rous Ansteorra stefan at florilegium.org Here are the new files for this month: In the BEVERAGES section: Basic-Beer-art "The Basics of Beer Making" by THL George Anne. In the ANIMALS section: Sadle-Blankts-art "Treasures Under the Saddle (16th Century Persian Saddle Blanket)" by The Honorable Lady Maria de Andalusia. In the ARCHERY section: P-Arch-Target-art "A Period Archery Target for the SCA" by Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf OL, OP. In the CRAFTS section: Workng-Tallow-art "Working With Tallow" by Master Bedwyr Danwyn. In the CULTURES section: Poland-bib Some books on medieval Poland from Magnus. Medvl-Poland-art "Introduction to Medieval Poland" by Metressa Jadwiga Zajaczkowa. In the FEASTS section: kitchen-tips-msg Practical, short kitchen tips for SCA feasts. In the FOOD section: mincemeat-pie-msg Period mincemeat pies. Recipes. In the FOOD-MEATS section: Calontr-Jerky-art "Sex Red Wine Jerky - the Calontir Army Standard" by Bns. Jenna of Southwind. In the FOOD-SWEETS section: wine-jelly-msg Period and modern jellies made with wine. In the HOME, SWEET HOME section: Rushlights-art "Working With Rushlights" by Master Bedwyr Danwyn. In the PERFORMANCE ARTS section: On-Vocal-Perf-art "On Vocal Performance" by Mathurin Kerbuss. Story-Toolbox-art "Storyteller?s Tool Box - Bringing characters to life!" by THL Thomas Whitehart. In the SCA-CAMPING section: DFofH-Firepit-art A firepit that sets up large and packs down small by Duke Frederick of Holland. In the SCA-STORIES section: SCA-cheers-msg Kingdom cheers. Vivat vs. Huzzah. Here are the updated files for this month. butter-msg Period butter. Making butter. Butter churns. bread-stuffed-msg Period stuffed bread. Rastons. Recipes. meat-pies-msg Period meat pies. Recipes. Middle-East-msg Info. on the period Middle East. Moghul-India-msg The culture and food of Moghul India. organ-meats-msg Period cooking of organ meats. pies-msg Period pie crusts, meat and fruit pies. pulled-sugar-msg The case for and against pulled/spun sugar being period. seaweed-msg Use of seaweed as food and for other uses. --- Copyright 2008, Mark S. Harris. Permission to reprint in SCA-related publications is hereby granted if the file descriptions are left unchanged. Removing any of the updated files listed in order to fit the article into limited publication space is allowed. The article introduction may also be edited, provided the web address and contact info are retained. -------- THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous at austin.rr.com **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org **** From donnghaile at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 08:22:27 2009 From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:22:27 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> Message-ID: <29c224fe0901070522u7898a15et9924e12e5aecc2a2@mail.gmail.com> > Why is there such an uproar with having to > maintain membership to hold an office? because that is what we currently have and we like it, the current rules say we must maintain membership to hold an office. The rule change says we can't be trusted to maintain our membership and so in order to show any interest in the office (Crown specifically) we have to show we won't need to maintain our membership for the duration of the office that we don't yet have. That's what bothers me that we can't be trusted to maintain a membership that most of us have maintained for years, and the probability that it will come to stand for any office, not just crown. It's not that I'm not going to pay the money and maintain my membership, but the blatant insinuation that I can't be trusted to do so as I've done for the past 12 years. Brandubh From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Wed Jan 7 08:29:33 2009 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:29:33 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0901070522u7898a15et9924e12e5aecc2a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> <29c224fe0901070522u7898a15et9924e12e5aecc2a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: AND...it is saying that in order to just *express an interest* in holding the office of Crown (i.e. simply in order to be *eligible* to fight in Crown), you must show that you are maintaining a membership for the duration of that office, even if you don't get it. I agree with the idea that if you *win* Crown, you should be required to renew your membership to cover the duration of your reign, but why make it mandatory for everyone entering Crown given that only 2 people are truly going to be affected by the outcome of the day. I truly hope everyone who has been writing and commenting on this in the AEthelmearc forum is writing to the Board as well. I plan to work on making my comments known to them today. Orianna -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.andrew.cmu. edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.and rew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Ben Cogan Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:22 AM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed > Why is there such an uproar with having to > maintain membership to hold an office? because that is what we currently have and we like it, the current rules say we must maintain membership to hold an office. The rule change says we can't be trusted to maintain our membership and so in order to show any interest in the office (Crown specifically) we have to show we won't need to maintain our membership for the duration of the office that we don't yet have. That's what bothers me that we can't be trusted to maintain a membership that most of us have maintained for years, and the probability that it will come to stand for any office, not just crown. It's not that I'm not going to pay the money and maintain my membership, but the blatant insinuation that I can't be trusted to do so as I've done for the past 12 years. Brandubh ________________________________________________________________________ _ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . 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Master Robert the Grey has designed a Roving Range to tantalize > our skilled archers. And furthermore something new this year, we are offering > the first White Hart Thrown Weapons Tourney which has been designed by THL > Alaxandair O???conchabhair which he promises will test your mind and mettle. > > If marshaled arts are not to your favor, there will also be an Arts and > Science display so bring your arts and show off what you love to do. If you have > no finished work to display, bring a current project and share your knowledge. > > A sumptuous feast is being prepared by Zofia Piotrowska and Faolan Dubh mac > Lochlainn, We have been privileged to taste several dishes and we know you > are in for a treat. Feast is limited to 70. Direct any dietary concerns to > Melissa_hoburg at yahoo.com. The site is discreetly damp, period containers please. > Open flames are permitted in the feast hall. > > The event will open at 6:00 p.m. on Friday, February 27th. And close at > 10:00 a.m. on Sunday. > Event Fees are Adults $9.00, Adult on Board (includes lunch on Saturday) > $18.00. > Child Site fee (5-11 years), $5.00, Child on Board $5.00 > Please do not forget the $3.00 non member sur-charge. > Cabins are $30.00-$40.00 per night > Camping is free > Lodge-Dorm bunk style $3.00 for week end. > Make Checks payable to: SCA Inc. Shire of Port Oasis > > Reservationist: THL Ros O???Donnell, (Angie Kummer, 445 Alabama Street, > Huntington WV, 25704) irishros at hotmail.com (304) 521-6860. > > Autocrats: Two Turnbulls (Tarc and Elspeth), (Pamela and Garry Dick, 604 > Thirteenth Avenue, Huntington WV, 25701) etturnbull at Juno.com (304)522-4912. > > Co-Autocrat: Lord " Captain Gunnarr" the Smith (Keith Mosteller, 10 Par > Drive, Sod WV, 25564). > > Directions: Take your best rout to I 64 Huntington, West Virginia. > > FROM THE NORTH/EAST: Take Exit 18 (Merritts Creek). Turn Left off the exit; > drive a short distance to Rt. 60 West. Turn right at stop light onto Rt. 60 > West. Continue on Rt.60 West, through Barboursville, going through two stop > lights. After a short distance, you will reach a hill with a stoplight at the > bottom. (Keep to the right to avoid stopping). Near the top of the hill turn > left onto Alternate Route 10. Stay on Alt 10 for several minutes; you will see > a sign for 4-H Camp Road. Turn left onto 4-H Camp Road, continue a very > short distance to the camp on the left; there is parking in the lot, please do > not drive on the grass. > > FROM THE SOUTH/WEST: Take Exit 15, (29th Street Exit) of the exit, turn > right onto Route 60 East. Continue several minutes on Route 60 East to Alternate > Route 10 (you will pass a shopping center with a Kmart on the right, just > before the turn). Turn right onto Alternate Route 10. Stay on Alt 10 for several > minutes; you will see a sign for 4-H Camp Road. Turn left onto 4-H Camp > Road, continue a very short distance to the camp on the left; there is parking in > the lot, please do not drive on the grass. > > ____________________________________________________________ Want to work from home? Study to become a certified medical transcriptionist at these schools. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbu1VamZRi5a2SHHjXG1Mm0dfPgMml1esgI0fSnBI8Ttr4QMK/ -------------- next part -------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From ravenstyx at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 10:50:12 2009 From: ravenstyx at yahoo.com (Raven Styx) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:50:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Art for the Arts and Sciences editon Message-ID: <745138.67027.qm@web111513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greetings once more, I would like to ask the artisans of Aethelmearc to please submit artwork to the AESTEL Arts and Sciences edition for 2009. I have a few submissions of stories and articles in hand with promises of more to come, but so far I only have one submission of artwork. I would like encourage everyone who draws or even doodles to submit a piece for illustrating this issue. Once again I would like to encourage the children of Aethelmearc to contribute to this issue. I have one submission from an 8 year old. It is a short story inspired by her introduction to the SCA and her spelling words assignment. I have promises of submissions from three or four other children including an article contrasting period European and Asian castles. Articles, short stories, poems, artwork from children would be most appreciated. The deadline for submissions is March 1, 2009. If you would like to contact me, you may do so at ravenstyx at yahoo.com, 304-886-1234, or Tammy Pritt 52 Brandewine Cir. Martinsburg, WV 25404. In Service, Lady Hrefna Ulfvarinnsdottir Guest Editor ?AESTEL Arts and Sciences Editon 2009 Some people have a wonderful capacity to appreciate again and again, freshly and naively, the basic goods of life, with awe, pleasure, wonder, and even ecstasy.- A.H. Maslow- Are you one of them? From gilamere at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 13:33:59 2009 From: gilamere at yahoo.com (Lindsay Baldassano) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:33:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Local Chatelaines, Hospitallers, and Castellans Message-ID: <529542.1499.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Greetings all local Chatelaines, Hospitallers, and Castellans of AEthelmearc, Would each of you please check on their current roster status at this link: http://chatelaine.aethelmearc.org/Chatelaines/roster.html. If you find any inaccuracies or find that you are not on this roster please contact your regional chatelaine or Kingdom Chatelaine in order to correct the roster. Our office Doomesday report is due our Society office by the end of this month. Please make sure that if you are holding a local office that you are correctly listed on this roster, so that we can accurately report your office to Crown and Society. Thank you for your time, Fru Ellisif of Endless Hills Deputy Kingdom Chatelaine gilamere at yahoo.com (Lindsay Baldassano / Ellisif of Endless Hills) Proprietor of http://Shop.Dracowolf.com A shop for the Craft of Life From muirgens at aol.com Wed Jan 7 15:09:58 2009 From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:09:58 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: References: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net><29c224fe0901070522u7898a15et9924e12e5aecc2a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB3F1B0C29A709-988-AF9@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> Orianna and Fridrikr: Just so we are all clear, is the most appropriate addy for comments to the BOD "comments at SCA.org"? morgen From joy1teacher at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 11:34:48 2009 From: joy1teacher at yahoo.com (Joy Woofter) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:34:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SCA-AE] Fw: call for (aspiring) authors Message-ID: <234353.18276.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ~Lady Margarita de' Siena?? (Joy) La tristezza ama qualcuno che non si preoccupa --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Kirsten Lee wrote: From: Kirsten Lee Subject: [Sylvan Glen] call for (aspiring) authors To: sylvanglen at yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:01 AM Hi all, an old college friend who is now living in Korea has a dream of an sca-oriented publishing house. he is looking for books or booklets that wish to be published. the link to submission guidelines is http://www.sabletow er.com/?page_ id=3. he himself has written the dogsoldier codex. we have so many talented artisans and authors in the shire! i can see libraries waiting to be born... warmly (in the freezing rain), Kirsten __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar To Post a message, send it to:?? sylvanglen at yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe, send a message to: sylvanglen-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com.? 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Resources for a greener you. . __,_._,___ From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Wed Jan 7 15:41:32 2009 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:41:32 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <8CB3F1B0C29A709-988-AF9@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> References: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net><29c224fe0901070522u7898a15et9924e12e5aecc2a2@mail.gmail.com> <8CB3F1B0C29A709-988-AF9@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, that is the correct address. Orianna -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.andrew.cmu. edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces+orilee.ireland-delfs=xerox.com at lists.and rew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of muirgens at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:10 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed Orianna and Fridrikr: Just so we are all clear, is the most appropriate addy for comments to the BOD "comments at SCA.org"? morgen ________________________________________________________________________ _ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. ________________________________________________________________________ _ From taranach at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 15:51:37 2009 From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:51:37 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0901070522u7898a15et9924e12e5aecc2a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <49627061.9020401@windstream.net> <29c224fe0901070522u7898a15et9924e12e5aecc2a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That was not my point.... I think memberships *SHOULD* be mandatory *AND* prepaid... I have had to pay and hold membership in EVERY other group (quite a lot) I have belonged to... If I wanted to "play" I expected to pay for it. Taranach On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Ben Cogan wrote: >> Why is there such an uproar with having to >> maintain membership to hold an office? > > because that is what we currently have and we like it, the current > rules say we must maintain membership to hold an office. > > The rule change says we can't be trusted to maintain our membership > and so in order to show any interest in the office (Crown > specifically) we have to show we won't need to maintain our membership > for the duration of the office that we don't yet have. > > That's what bothers me that we can't be trusted to maintain a > membership that most of us have maintained for years, and the > probability that it will come to stand for any office, not just crown. > It's not that I'm not going to pay the money and maintain my > membership, but the blatant insinuation that I can't be trusted to do > so as I've done for the past 12 years. > > Brandubh > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net Wed Jan 7 16:08:08 2009 From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:08:08 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Announce: Attention Known World Merchants Message-ID: <000301c9710c$0e8010f0$1001a8c0@otter> Greetings to all the talented merchants of the Known World, This will be my last reminder of the discount deadline for Ice Dragon 2009 merchant reservations. "Discount" deadline ends as of January 10th while "Final" deadline for reservations will end on March 14th. YIS, Lady Biotta From baron-dur at lazerlink.net Wed Jan 7 17:00:50 2009 From: baron-dur at lazerlink.net (Baron Dur of Hidden Mountain) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:00:50 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Give Us Life (Memberships)! {was Re: Change in Corpora Proposed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bismallah Assalam O Alykum Wa Ramatullah Wa Barakatuh One very simple solution is to restore the "Life Member" membership. About $1000 should do it. $500 for 20-year members in good standing. (Many other organizations use this model.) Ma'a al Hob wa al Salam, mukhtar durr end ================================================================ Mukhtar durr al-jabal al-mukhfi http://tinyurl.com/dbp63