From euriol at ptd.net Wed Oct 1 13:35:33 2008 From: euriol at ptd.net (euriol) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:35:33 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fasching! - November 1, 2008 Message-ID: Greetings one and all! The countdown starts today as in exactly one month the Barony of Endless Hills will be celebrating the beginning of the Fifth Season at Fasching. Please put it on your calendars. There are only a limited number of feast seats available, send in your reservation soon to guarantee a seat. The event annoucement can be found on the Endless Hills website at http://www.endlesshills.aethelmearc.net/index_files/fasching.htm I look forward to seeing everyone there, Euriol Here is some pertinent information from the event annoucement: Fun, Festivities, Fabulous Performances and Fantastic Feasting? Are these the type of things that interest you? Come celebrate the start of the Fifth Season with the Barony of Endless Hills at Fasching! This year the event is located at the Wright Township Firemen?s Association Hall located at 477 S. Main Road in Mountain Top, Pennsylvania. The site opens at 9am and closes at 9pm. The activities planned for the day is an array of Performing Arts to include a Bardic Competition, Dancing, Silver Tongued Devil, and Theatrical performances. There will be a prize tourney, weather permitting, for both heavy & rapier fighters. Armor inspection will start at 10am. There will be a Feast on a grand scale to be provided by THL Kateryna Ty Isaf. This feast will be served in three parts with courses at Noon, 3 P.M. & 6 P.M. The Festivities will occur between the seated courses. For those with dietary concerns, please contact the head cook. For those who wish to enjoy the Fun, off board space will be made available. Site Fee: Adult $8, Youth (13-17) $6, Children (6-12) $4, Babes in Arms (5 & under) Free. Family cap is $26. A $3 non-member surcharge will be collected at the door for those gentles over the age of 18 without proof of membership. Feast Fee: Adult & Youth $8, Children $4, Babes in Arms $1. There is no family cap for feast. Location: 477 S. Main Road in Mountain Top, PA 18707. This location is Mapquest & Yahoo Maps accurate. Event Steward: Euriol of Lothian (Cassandra Baldassano) 503 Stone Hedge Place, Mountain Top PA 18707, (570) 332-6194, euriol at yahoo.com. Head Cook: Kateryna Ty Isaf (Karen Macek) 1119 Springbrook Avenue, Moosic PA, 18507, (570) 451-1386, thlkateryna at verizon.net. Send Reservations to: Tigernach MacCathail (Ron Cudworth) 69 Main Street, Gouldsboro PA, 18424, (570) 650-0012, cudworth at ptd.net. Make checks payable to ?SCA, Inc. ? Barony of Endless Hills?. From euriol at ptd.net Wed Oct 1 13:35:33 2008 From: euriol at ptd.net (euriol) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:35:33 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Fasching! - November 1, 2008 Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings one and all! The countdown starts today as in exactly one month the Barony of Endless Hills will be celebrating the beginning of the Fifth Season at Fasching. Please put it on your calendars. There are only a limited number of feast seats available, send in your reservation soon to guarantee a seat. The event annoucement can be found on the Endless Hills website at http://www.endlesshills.aethelmearc.net/index_files/fasching.htm I look forward to seeing everyone there, Euriol Here is some pertinent information from the event annoucement: Fun, Festivities, Fabulous Performances and Fantastic Feasting? Are these the type of things that interest you? Come celebrate the start of the Fifth Season with the Barony of Endless Hills at Fasching! This year the event is located at the Wright Township Firemen?s Association Hall located at 477 S. Main Road in Mountain Top, Pennsylvania. The site opens at 9am and closes at 9pm. The activities planned for the day is an array of Performing Arts to include a Bardic Competition, Dancing, Silver Tongued Devil, and Theatrical performances. There will be a prize tourney, weather permitting, for both heavy & rapier fighters. Armor inspection will start at 10am. There will be a Feast on a grand scale to be provided by THL Kateryna Ty Isaf. This feast will be served in three parts with courses at Noon, 3 P.M. & 6 P.M. The Festivities will occur between the seated courses. For those with dietary concerns, please contact the head cook. For those who wish to enjoy the Fun, off board space will be made available. Site Fee: Adult $8, Youth (13-17) $6, Children (6-12) $4, Babes in Arms (5 & under) Free. Family cap is $26. A $3 non-member surcharge will be collected at the door for those gentles over the age of 18 without proof of membership. Feast Fee: Adult & Youth $8, Children $4, Babes in Arms $1. There is no family cap for feast. Location: 477 S. Main Road in Mountain Top, PA 18707. This location is Mapquest & Yahoo Maps accurate. Event Steward: Euriol of Lothian (Cassandra Baldassano) 503 Stone Hedge Place, Mountain Top PA 18707, (570) 332-6194, euriol at yahoo.com. Head Cook: Kateryna Ty Isaf (Karen Macek) 1119 Springbrook Avenue, Moosic PA, 18507, (570) 451-1386, thlkateryna at verizon.net. Send Reservations to: Tigernach MacCathail (Ron Cudworth) 69 Main Street, Gouldsboro PA, 18424, (570) 650-0012, cudworth at ptd.net. Make checks payable to ?SCA, Inc. ? Barony of Endless Hills?. From thegeorg at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 1 14:43:45 2008 From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:43:45 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary Message-ID: <48E3C4E1.8070609@stny.rr.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ I am Dame George Anne, and I have been the Archivist and Waiver Secretary for more than four years. In the interest of not hogging the job, I would like to retire from this post and am therefore seeking letters of intent to take on this post. Please send your letter to Their Majesties, Caryl our kingdom seneschal, and myself before December 15, 2008. So what does the Archivist and Waiver Secretary do? At every event and martial practice, waivers are supposed to be collected and sent to the Waiver Secretary. These are held for seven years for adults and 21 years for those under the age of 18, and they have to be held on somewhere. The Archives contain copies of every newsletter of the Kingdom of ?thelmearc and many from the various shires and baronies, as well as important paperwork from the various offices of the kingdom and such things as baronial election paperwork (which are sealed, yet stored in the Archives). Many things in the Archives require discretion, so this is an important consideration, in addition to organizational skill and safe storage. There is on average two requests per reign that involve delving into the Archives, but the waiver secretary post involves collecting and tracking all waivers from events and martial practices, and that can be from one to several hours per week. -george From alanafiona at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:16:15 2008 From: alanafiona at gmail.com (Marybeth Griffin) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:16:15 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary In-Reply-To: <48E3C4E1.8070609@stny.rr.com> References: <48E3C4E1.8070609@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <7323ed070810011316h64a5bb87p4fd0be189a0f7c63@mail.gmail.com> I would ask how much space do the archives take up currently, and how fast are they growing? Because for anyone who is thinking of applying, that would be an important question to ask. Also, how are they stored currently? File cabinets, stackable boxes, ...? Alana Griffin Has space, but probably not *that* much space. From suchawoman at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:24:00 2008 From: suchawoman at gmail.com (Barbara Reed) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary In-Reply-To: <7323ed070810011316h64a5bb87p4fd0be189a0f7c63@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E3C4E1.8070609@stny.rr.com> <7323ed070810011316h64a5bb87p4fd0be189a0f7c63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e0168b90810011324r5d4f547p2812c0051217114d@mail.gmail.com> Just as a side note, the Society has approved the storing of waivers electronically - that's what we're doing in Meridies. It might be worth Aethelmearc exploring. That would cut down on space....don't know about the rest of the archives, but at least the waivers could be stored electronically. In service, Waiver Deputy Kingdom Seneschal of Meridies On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Marybeth Griffin wrote: > I would ask how much space do the archives take up currently, and how > fast are they growing? Because for anyone who is thinking of applying, > that would be an important question to ask. Also, how are they stored > currently? File cabinets, stackable boxes, ...? > > Alana Griffin > Has space, but probably not *that* much space. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Wed Oct 1 16:26:52 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (fridrikr at rochester.rr.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:26:52 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary Message-ID: <9067177.128801222892812390.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web25-z02> Another solution may be possible... would the Kingdom be willing to rent space for the archivist/waiver secretary to store the past files? That would sem a fair cost for the Kingdom to bear. FRIDRIKR ---- Marybeth Griffin wrote: > I would ask how much space do the archives take up currently, and how > fast are they growing? Because for anyone who is thinking of applying, > that would be an important question to ask. Also, how are they stored > currently? File cabinets, stackable boxes, ...? > > Alana Griffin > Has space, but probably not *that* much space. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From thegeorg at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 1 16:43:13 2008 From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:43:13 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary In-Reply-To: <7323ed070810011316h64a5bb87p4fd0be189a0f7c63@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E3C4E1.8070609@stny.rr.com> <7323ed070810011316h64a5bb87p4fd0be189a0f7c63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3E0E1.4090701@stny.rr.com> Marybeth Griffin wrote: > I would ask how much space do the archives take up currently, and how > fast are they growing? Because for anyone who is thinking of applying, > that would be an important question to ask. Also, how are they stored > currently? File cabinets, stackable boxes, ...? Currently, they are stored in my deputy's attic. They take up a small portion of it, involving a couple of four drawer filing cabinets and the rest in stackable boxes about twice the volume of the cabinets. So if you can't host them in your own home as the officer, you can have them at your deputy's, or as Fridrikr pointed out, you can arrange for storage to be elsewhere. Be aware though that many conventional "rent a garage" arrangements are on flood plains, so take this into consideration for location. -george From thegeorg at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 1 16:54:29 2008 From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:54:29 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary In-Reply-To: <2e0168b90810011324r5d4f547p2812c0051217114d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E3C4E1.8070609@stny.rr.com> <7323ed070810011316h64a5bb87p4fd0be189a0f7c63@mail.gmail.com> <2e0168b90810011324r5d4f547p2812c0051217114d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3E385.4070105@stny.rr.com> Barbara Reed wrote: > Just as a side note, the Society has approved the storing of waivers > electronically - that's what we're doing in Meridies. It might be worth > Aethelmearc exploring. That would cut down on space....don't know about the > rest of the archives, but at least the waivers could be stored > electronically. Those that have been sent to me electronically have been so stored (as well as reports that X group had a practice and all in attendance had blue cards). The effort involved in converting to electronic files has been looked into, and at one point the kingdom budget did approve of acquiring a scanner for the waivers, but this was never actually acquired. Several discussions seemed to lean toward not getting rid of the paper copies even after being scanned in. Whomever took on the new office should express ideas on how this could be handled, including possibilities of local groups being willing to scan their waivers, send in the electronic copies via email, and store their papers themselves. We are open to new ideas and are flexible. -george From katjaorlova at yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 17:04:04 2008 From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary In-Reply-To: <48E3E0E1.4090701@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <382207.85676.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another thought --- something both Georg and I both wanted to accomplish during our terms but couldn't find the time to do -- ? Scanning the records onto CDs. ? There likely still is money in the kingdom budget for purchasing a scanner (my request was approved over six years ago), and it's quite likely that the next archivist may even own one, as many gentles do now. ? The question is finding enough time to tackle it... perhaps having a deputy or two split the work? ? Just a thought... :) Katja ? >> Marybeth Griffin wrote: > I would ask how much space do the archives take up currently, and how > fast are they growing? Because for anyone who is thinking of applying, > that would be an important question to ask. Also, how are they stored > currently? File cabinets, stackable boxes, ...? Currently, they are stored in my deputy's attic. They take up a small portion of it, involving a couple of four drawer filing cabinets and the rest in stackable boxes about twice the volume of the cabinets. So if you can't host them in your own home as the officer, you can have them at your deputy's, or as Fridrikr pointed out, you can arrange for storage to be elsewhere. Be aware though that many conventional "rent a garage" arrangements are on flood plains, so take this into consideration for location. -george From jbastian at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 1 19:13:13 2008 From: jbastian at stny.rr.com (Jennifer Bastian) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:13:13 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fundraising in memory of His Grace Morghun Sheridan Message-ID: <008a01c9241b$4797d6e0$6501a8c0@ANDERSON> Unto the Sylvan Kingdom of AEthelmearc does Baroness Margerite de la Marche send fond greetings, I have planned with the help of my able assistant Lady Aine inghean Riocaird, House Anephedros, The Black Orchid, & Friends two fundraisers in remembrance of His Grace Morghun Sheridan. All proceeds will go directly to Their Graces Rowan & Meirwen. The first will be a basket raffle held at Crown Tourney this weekend. Contents include Viking brooches, silk, tasty treats, a custom banner, a gift certificate for 9 feet of custom inkle trim, and other worldly treasures. Cost will be 1.00 a ticket, 10 for 5.00, and arms length (mine) for 10.00. Please see me there! Harvest Raid We (House Anephedros & friends) will also be holding a ticket raffle at Harvest Raid, donations gladly accepted there in the form of goods or services. If you are interested in giving gift certificates for a service, that would also be appreciated. Contact information for that raffle is Lady Aine inghean Riocaird. She can be reached at olafandaine at twcny.rr.com Cost will be 1.00 a ticket, 10 for 5.00, and arms length for 10.00. Thank you for the taking the time to read this missive and I look forward to seeing many of you in the coming weeks. Baroness Margerite de la Marche eventsteward at heronter.org From elsbeth at pobox.com Wed Oct 1 21:18:28 2008 From: elsbeth at pobox.com (Kathryn Van Stone) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:18:28 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Heraldic consulting and commenting -- Sunday October 5. Message-ID: <3BA7EED4-FC11-47EE-AF22-557993233F76@pobox.com> The day after Crown tourney I will be holding my monthly heraldic commenting and consultation meeting at my house in Mount Lebanon (1194 Firwood Drive, Mount Lebanon, PA - about 10 minutes from the Kerwin Heights exit on 79). It starts at noon and will end when we get tired and want to eat dinner. Anyone who would like help getting a name and device (or badge) is welcome to come, or anyone who wants to learn more about period heraldry (or the heraldic process). You do not need to stay for the full time to be welcome. Please contact me if you are interested so I have an idea about how much food to provide. Elsbeth Anne Roth elsbeth at pobox.com From odlahorde at yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 22:57:07 2008 From: odlahorde at yahoo.com (Rob Baldassano) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary Message-ID: <634273.40711.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> how about a scanning party? get a couple people together with their laptops and scanners, and a central storage USB drive attached and shared. everyone scans what they can, and saves it to the USB drive. That way all the files are local to the officers system, and can be used for future reference. with 5 people working on this, you could get probably 100 pages done in an hour. that would be a significant amount of paper scanned, and preserved for the "future generations" as we move on in this modern middle ages. Suggestions from the peanut gallery :D (me) --Eirik - ________________________________ Herre Eirik Haarfager Goransson / Rob Baldassano Member, Barony of Endless Hills; Marshal - at Large & Deputy Baronial Marshal; House Odlahorde; Viking & All around Good Egg ; VROC #5029 (Tigger) come visit http://www.dracowolf.com ---------------------------- Come see our online store, now available at: http://shop.dracowolf.com =============== Check out this cool Medieval era game --> http://www.tribalwars.net/2040463.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Katja To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 5:04:04 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary Another thought --- something both Georg and I both wanted to accomplish during our terms but couldn't find the time to do -- Scanning the records onto CDs. There likely still is money in the kingdom budget for purchasing a scanner (my request was approved over six years ago), and it's quite likely that the next archivist may even own one, as many gentles do now. The question is finding enough time to tackle it... perhaps having a deputy or two split the work? Just a thought... :) Katja >> Marybeth Griffin wrote: > I would ask how much space do the archives take up currently, and how > fast are they growing? Because for anyone who is thinking of applying, > that would be an important question to ask. Also, how are they stored > currently? File cabinets, stackable boxes, ...? Currently, they are stored in my deputy's attic. They take up a small portion of it, involving a couple of four drawer filing cabinets and the rest in stackable boxes about twice the volume of the cabinets. So if you can't host them in your own home as the officer, you can have them at your deputy's, or as Fridrikr pointed out, you can arrange for storage to be elsewhere. Be aware though that many conventional "rent a garage" arrangements are on flood plains, so take this into consideration for location. -george _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From alaxandair at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 23:55:19 2008 From: alaxandair at gmail.com (Alaxandair O'Conchobhair) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:55:19 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary In-Reply-To: <634273.40711.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <634273.40711.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I strongly suggest a standardized format for the scanning, resolution and storage if this comes to term. All PDF's are not created equal, at a minimum any document archived should be stored in PDF/X format (PDF/X-1a). Additionally, storage should be on an archival grade media (with Metal Azo dye as is currently preferred for archival storage) and not a usb drive which only has at best 10 year data retention. Another option would be to store the records with a records management firm. You receive security, fire protection, 24/7 records access and they are generally located outside of a flood plain. I worked at such a firm for 7+ years, and when I left in 2007 the current rate card was $0.25 per cubic foot, per month for storage, and about $6.00 to retrieve a box from storage for you to come view the contents at the facility. $0.30/month for a 1.2 cuft box (small storage box) $0.60/month for a 2.4 cuft box (commonly called a bankers box, the long one) This may be an option, rates will vary by state and city. Alaxandair On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Rob Baldassano wrote: > how about a scanning party? get a couple people together with their laptops and scanners, and a central storage USB drive attached and shared. everyone scans what they can, and saves it to the USB drive. > That way all the files are local to the officers system, and can be used for future reference. > > with 5 people working on this, you could get probably 100 pages done in an hour. that would be a significant amount of paper scanned, and preserved for the "future generations" as we move on in this modern middle ages. > > Suggestions from the peanut gallery :D (me) > > --Eirik From suchawoman at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 09:09:38 2008 From: suchawoman at gmail.com (Barbara Reed) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:38 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary In-Reply-To: References: <634273.40711.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2e0168b90810020609j6157fc87p5116ce1e917d982e@mail.gmail.com> If you're interested in what we're doing with our electronic storage of waivers here in Meridies, please feel free to contact me off list - I wouldn't want to bore the rest of the fine Kingdom with details! In service, Baroness B. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Alaxandair O'Conchobhair < alaxandair at gmail.com> wrote: > I strongly suggest a standardized format for the scanning, resolution > and storage if this comes to term. > > All PDF's are not created equal, at a minimum any document archived > should be stored in PDF/X format (PDF/X-1a). > > Additionally, storage should be on an archival grade media (with Metal > Azo dye as is currently preferred for archival storage) and not a usb > drive which only has at best 10 year data retention. > > Another option would be to store the records with a records management > firm. You receive security, fire protection, 24/7 records access and > they are generally located outside of a flood plain. > > I worked at such a firm for 7+ years, and when I left in 2007 the > current rate card was $0.25 per cubic foot, per month for storage, and > about $6.00 to retrieve a box from storage for you to come view the > contents at the facility. > > $0.30/month for a 1.2 cuft box (small storage box) > $0.60/month for a 2.4 cuft box (commonly called a bankers box, the long > one) > > This may be an option, rates will vary by state and city. > > Alaxandair > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Rob Baldassano > wrote: > > how about a scanning party? get a couple people together with their > laptops and scanners, and a central storage USB drive attached and shared. > everyone scans what they can, and saves it to the USB drive. > > That way all the files are local to the officers system, and can be used > for future reference. > > > > with 5 people working on this, you could get probably 100 pages done in > an hour. that would be a significant amount of paper scanned, and preserved > for the "future generations" as we move on in this modern middle ages. > > > > Suggestions from the peanut gallery :D (me) > > > > --Eirik > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From wanderingpixie at livejournal.com Thu Oct 2 11:02:57 2008 From: wanderingpixie at livejournal.com (Erin Childs) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:02:57 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary In-Reply-To: <634273.40711.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <634273.40711.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6022261b0810020802v5649ebbcsd32085cdd32a1da4@mail.gmail.com> For heraldic paperwork archives at the Society level, we invested in a top-loading scanner. They're a little price-y ($299.99 for this one: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/206720/HP-Scanjet-5590-Digital-Flatbed-Scanner/), but it scans 8 pages a minute.. which means less than 15 minutes to scan in 100 pages + the time to name them all. So it seems that with a little up-front investment, one person alone would be able to do 100 sheets in 30-45 minutes. -Ailis On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Rob Baldassano wrote: > how about a scanning party? get a couple people together with their laptops and scanners, and a central storage USB drive attached and shared. everyone scans what they can, and saves it to the USB drive. > That way all the files are local to the officers system, and can be used for future reference. > > with 5 people working on this, you could get probably 100 pages done in an hour. that would be a significant amount of paper scanned, and preserved for the "future generations" as we move on in this modern middle ages. > > Suggestions from the peanut gallery :D (me) > > --Eirik > - > ________________________________ > Herre Eirik Haarfager Goransson / Rob Baldassano > Member, Barony of Endless Hills; > Marshal - at Large & Deputy Baronial Marshal; > House Odlahorde; > Viking & All around Good Egg ; VROC #5029 (Tigger) > come visit http://www.dracowolf.com > ---------------------------- > Come see our online store, now available at: > http://shop.dracowolf.com > =============== > Check out this cool Medieval era game --> http://www.tribalwars.net/2040463.html > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Katja > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 5:04:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Seeking letters of intent for Kingdom Archivist and Waiver Secretary > > Another thought --- something both Georg and I both wanted to accomplish during our terms but couldn't find the time to do -- > > Scanning the records onto CDs. > > There likely still is money in the kingdom budget for purchasing a scanner (my request was approved over six years ago), and it's quite likely that the next archivist may even own one, as many gentles do now. > > The question is finding enough time to tackle it... perhaps having a deputy or two split the work? > > Just a thought... :) > > Katja > >>> > Marybeth Griffin wrote: >> I would ask how much space do the archives take up currently, and how >> fast are they growing? Because for anyone who is thinking of applying, >> that would be an important question to ask. Also, how are they stored >> currently? File cabinets, stackable boxes, ...? > > Currently, they are stored in my deputy's attic. They take up a small > portion of it, involving a couple of four drawer filing cabinets and the > rest in stackable boxes about twice the volume of the cabinets. > > So if you can't host them in your own home as the officer, you can have > them at your deputy's, or as Fridrikr pointed out, you can arrange for > storage to be elsewhere. Be aware though that many conventional "rent a > garage" arrangements are on flood plains, so take this into > consideration for location. > > -george > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Thu Oct 2 13:33:23 2008 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:33:23 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: Thank You Message-ID: To all the SCA members who came to West Winfield to comfort Loie (Her Grace Rowan) and Rosemary (Her Grace Meirwen) and say "Goodbye" to John (His Grace Duke Sir Morguhn): Thank you so much for your food, generous donation and all the help you gave to us to see that everyone was fed. It was great meeting so many new people and sharing with you. Winfield Chapter #418 Order of the Eastern Star. Jane and Skip Ireland, Matron and Patron. From ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 23:01:00 2008 From: ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com (kathy kemmish) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown - Day Shades and/or Pavilions In-Reply-To: <770824.72216.qm@web63404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <770824.72216.qm@web63404.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <540ddc010810022001s6d9ac37ax307ff4bdc1c771c2@mail.gmail.com> http://www.hawksnestsp.com/ At the lovely and scenic Hawks Next State Park in Ansted WV. :-) The feast site is one of the three pictures at the top, of the large stone & wood structure. Follow the 'virtual tour' marked "Pavillion" to see more of the site ... just remember all films been shrunk for easier upload, so it's larger than it appears. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Archie SLAGER wrote: > Where is Fall Crown being held? > > Eldjarn Bildr > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- Lady Kathryn MacLuing Onyx Pursuivant Barony of Blackstone Mountain From gwwpublicity at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 04:05:16 2008 From: gwwpublicity at gmail.com (Great Western War Publicity) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:05:16 -0700 Subject: [SCA-AE] Great Western War XI - Last Minute Details. Message-ID: <2039e06f0810030105vc7131ddu8299bdba60de8b28@mail.gmail.com> Great Western War XI caid-gww.org October 8-13, 2008 Pre-reg guests can arrive on Tuesday the 7th. Enjoy our wonderful site with green lawns, shade trees, lake breezes, and big blue skies at the Buena Vista Aquatic Recreational Area, 13601 Ironbark Rd, Taft, CA 93268. It is an easy drive over the hill to a lovely park where we have a large lakeside area all to ourselves. Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=115382758868218300274.00044cd258180c105dbbc&ll=34.619647,-118.396912&spn=1.455598,2.518616&z=9 ACCEPS Receipts If you used the on-line ACCEPS pre-registration system please BE SURE to bring a copy of your email confirmation with you to gate. Hurricane Ike caused interruptions in the automated system and this may be our only way to confirm your registration. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Gate: Cash ONLY Please note: We will only be accepting cash at the gate. No personal checks, no credit cards, no cashier's checks, no traveler's checks. NO EXCEPTIONS. Please take this into account if you plan to pay upon arrival, and not through Pre-Registration. Gate Hours * Monday, Oct 6, 2008: Gate open for Vendors & SCA Merchants only * Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008: Gate open for pre-registered guests from 12:00 noon to Midnight * Wednesday, Oct 8, 2008: Gate open for pre-registered guests from 6 am to Noon; Gate open for everyone 12:00 noon to Midnight * Thursday, Oct 9, 2008: Gate open 6 am, and stays open * Friday, Oct 10, 2008: Gate open 24 hrs * Saturday, Oct 11, 2008: Gate open all day, closes at midnight * Sunday, Oct 12, 2008: Gate open 6 am - Noon Registration at Gate - Day Fee (single day pass only) * One DAY Only PASS FEE: [any one day] o Adult Members: $20 o Adult Non-Members: $25 o Youth 6-17: $15 o Child 5 and under: 0 o Dogs: $1.00 per dog o Horses: $2.00 per horse * Day pass is good from 8 am until midnight on the day of issue Registration at Gate - Camping Fees * Arriving: Wednesday, Oct 8 / or Thursday, Oct 9, 2008 * Adult Member - $50.00 * Adult Non-Member - $55.00 * Youth 6-17 (4th and more free) - $40.00 * Child 0-5 years - $0.00 * Dry RV - No Hookups - NO FEE - Length and Width of RV Required * Horses - $2.00 per horse per day * Dogs - $1.00 per dog per day * Arriving: Friday, Oct 10 / Saturday, Oct 11 / Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 * Adult Member - $45.00 * Adult Non-Member - $50.00 * Youth 6-17 (4th and more free) - $35.00 * Child 0-5 years - $0.00 * Dry RV - No Hookups - NO FEE - Length and Width of RV Required * Horses - $2.00 per horse per day * Dogs - $1.00 per dog per day www.CAID-GWW.org From olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com Fri Oct 3 07:01:40 2008 From: olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com (Richard Reichert) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:01:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Amethyst Invitational Tourney question In-Reply-To: <008a01c9241b$4797d6e0$6501a8c0@ANDERSON> References: <008a01c9241b$4797d6e0$6501a8c0@ANDERSON> Message-ID: Does anyone have relevant event info for this? I have been unable to confirm any details besides the date and SCA group sponsoring. I'm assuming spectators are encouraged. Thanks. Olafr From tessathehuntress at comcast.net Fri Oct 3 07:53:49 2008 From: tessathehuntress at comcast.net (tessathehuntress) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:53:49 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Amethyst Invitational Tourney question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greetings! There is an event announcement in the October AEstel, if that helps. :) Spectators are wanted and greatly encouraged. We hope many people will come watch and will cheer on the fighters. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Duchess Tessa Does anyone have relevant event info for this? I have been unable to confirm any details besides the date and SCA group sponsoring. I'm assuming spectators are encouraged. Thanks. Olafr From ladyren at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 07:59:00 2008 From: ladyren at gmail.com (Karen Finnemore) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:59:00 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Amethyst Invitational Tourney question In-Reply-To: References: <008a01c9241b$4797d6e0$6501a8c0@ANDERSON> Message-ID: <4e6328420810030459g1f32b27cp89fe0cc723bcaabf@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, Olafr! I am the reservations clerk for the event. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or the event steward, His Grace Malcolm. A full event announcement on list is pending very shortly. For those of you with questions, you can contact me at ladyren-at-gmail-dot-com or His Grace at syrmalcolm-at-comcast-dot-com. In Service, Renata Rouge, known to most as the posh rot On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Richard Reichert wrote: > Does anyone have relevant event info for this? I have been unable to > confirm any details besides the date and SCA group sponsoring. I'm > assuming spectators are encouraged. > > Thanks. > > Olafr > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. -George Carlin If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun. -- Katharine Hepburn Every fight is a food fight when you're a cannibal. -- Demetri Martin Hearing nuns' confessions is like being stoned to death with popcorn. --Fulton J. Sheen From baronessteresa at yahoo.com Fri Oct 3 10:22:13 2008 From: baronessteresa at yahoo.com (Tracey Stoever) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:22:13 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] From the Tournaments Illuminated Liaison: Quest article request Message-ID: Greetings AEthelmearc! "Our upcoming Quest Article theme is "Volunteering" with Guest Editor Sheila Hufeld | Eithne ni Cheallaigh ThirChonaill, who has years of experience volunteering her help as a judge at A & S events and in various offices, demos, and events. If you have discovered the hidden benefits, ways to inspire others, or even how your SCA service helped in a modern setting, here is your opportunity to share your ideas and stories with the Known World. Send us an e-mail with your thoughts to tieditor at sca.org by November 7, 2008, and it may be included in the First Quarter (2009) Issue of Tournaments Illuminated. Submission of any work to TI constitutes permission to publish said work without compensation. The author retains all original copyrights to the submission." Baroness Teresa Gabriela de Montoya y Sevilla From taranach at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 11:32:21 2008 From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:32:21 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sort of OT... Fwd: [ShadowClans] The final court of King Caspar and Queen Cecelia Message-ID: This was so amusing that I thought I would share... I LOVE this kind of interplay because it keeps the courts lively and entertaining for the populous!! Lord Taranach A lengthy report but worth the time to read. I love to see people get into the game of it. Ameris Good gentles: Here is the best account of the last court of Caspar and Cecelia that I have been able to write with the information available to me. Please either post additions and corrections to this list or to me privately at SCAlutenist at gmail dot com. In service, Iohann se pipere Sable, a gyron argent Ars Longa Vita Brevis (art endures, life ends) On the list field during the day, Sir Aidan McKay (South Downs?) took Lady Elizabeth of Raefen (Bryn Madoc) as his squire. Before the arrival of the nobility, Earl Sir Robert Glendon of Auk (Glynn Rhe) announced that security conditions orange, blue, green, red, & yellow had been set and that guards had been posted at each entrance. He continued that no gentles, regardless of rank, would be permitted to bear steel in the Presence. Among the banned items he gave were nail clippers. Finally, he asked the populous to await the arrival of Their Majesties. Beacon Herald: Oyez, Oyez, all rise and do great reverence to Their Most Royal Majesties Caspar and Cecelia, undoubted Sovereign and Consort of the Laurel Kingdom of Meridies. Though the season of Summer may wane and Fall may come on, never shall the Crown of Meridies fail, for this is its premier Kingdom. Meridies - the great and the eternal - where all feats are known and ????, whose people are happiest in the Known World, whose children are above average, whose seasons go forever, and whose Crowns stand as an inspiration to the Known World. This is Meridies, for chivalry is here at home, for it has no shades of grey, only black and white. Invited now into this court, Lutr and Tessa, undoubted Sovereign and Consort of the Laurel Kingdom of the Middle. Midrealm herald: Oyez, come now Lutr Ulfskjald, the Wolf Shield of the Middle Kingdom, whose anger can cause the Tiger to leave the field, and His beauteous Queen Tessa, of the fiery hair, with temper to match. Beacon Herald: The populous may now be seated. This hereby opens the court of Caspar and Cecelia, Sovereign and Consort of the Laurel Kingdom of Meridies. His Majesty thanked all for attending and welcomed the Crown of the Midrealm, thanking them for visiting Meridies again. When all were offered to swear fealty, the King reminded the Sovereign of the Middle that it was his last chance. His Majesty Midrealm replied that he might next time. The Meridian Order of the Blade was called. When one of their number, a lady, spread he arms so that she might be checked, Sir Robert said "Oh, no. No touching. New Kingdom Regulations." and then called for a female guard to inspect her. Her lord husband, also a member of the order, said that he would do so. Sir Robert also tried to stop the Queen's Rapier Champion, and when the King protested, he explained to His Majesty that his name wasn't on the cleared list. Was this Feodor? (Milord?) Feodor Razin (An Dun Theine) was inducted into the order. The Crown announced the creation of the Order of the Golden Plinth, to be awarded those who, through research and deeds, create an authentic ambiance at events. Members may be either members or groups whether official or unofficial, and may place the initials "CGP" following their name. The order is not armigerous and carries no precedence. Sir Ulrich von Brandenburg (Glynn Rhe): Pilgrim's Order of the Compostella for his continued travels throughout the Kingdom to help instruct fighters. Lord Tobias Morgan (Vulpine Reach) asked Their Majesties to sign the charter for the Company of St. Cecelia, the Bardic Guild, and their set their hand to the document. Her Majesty said that she likes its name. Milady Elizabeth Griffin (Rising Stone): Meridian Majesty, for service in the Queen's entourage. Count Sir Aengus Mac Owein (Dragons Weal), as an emissary from Gleann Abhann, presented a letter to TRMs, saying that the hurricane had prevented the Sovereign of our former daughter and now sister Kingdom from bringing His boon personally. As he did not stop to be searched before approaching the thrones, Earl Sir Robert told him that once he was on his bad knee, his guard would strike him with his battle ax. His Majesty read the letter and relayed its contents to His Consort. King Camric had written that Queen Onora was ill and requested that HerRM visit Her and bring comfort to Her during Her illness. Her Majesty readily agreed, saying that she would gather her physicians and gladly give comfort to Her Cousin. The King asked Her Champion, Sir Ulrich, to gather some men-at-arms to serve as Her escort through the wilds of Gleann Abhann and bade His Consort goodbye with a kiss. Sir Robert assisted him in choosing the guard and joined the escort. Beacon Herald: All rise, and do reverence to Her Majesty Queen Cecelia, who is comfort, beauty, and happiness not only for those great subjects of Meridies, but for those people who live in many far lands. The King, after viewing the reduced guard, exclaimed "I feel a little less safe now." To this, the Sovereign of the Middle replied "I'll protect you, Your Majesty." Milord Gregory of Barthe (Arenal): Award of Arms While new to the Society, he has been known to help his group with its events, save stranded motorists who were trying to leave events, and assist with his group's obligations to RUM. Such deeds are seen favorably in the eyes of the Crown, who wished to urge him to continue. Lady Aoibheann an Einigh inghean Tighairnain (An Dun Theine): Broken Bow She is well known in the archery community, as a talented and skilled yeoman archer, for running archery competitions, including the tournament for Her Majesty's Archery Champion, for teaching archery and holding practice at her house, and for instructing many of the youth of the Kingdom. Lord Harold of Barthe (Arenal): Guiding Hand The King said that he had returned with a vengeance after being away from the Society while attending to his health. Since then, the Crown has been impressed with his work in the southern reaches of the Kingdom, which includes guiding those who are new to the Society. He specifically mentioned his instruction in the field of armor and his indoctrination in the ways of Meridies. The King's discussion of the next business with His Herald was interrupted when the wounded Sir Ulrich, holding Her Majesty's crown, was helped into the Presence by two other warriors. The King asked "Sir Ulrich, what has happened? Where's the Queen?" but Ulrich could only utter the words "Your Majesty ? damn, dirty archers." as he collapsed. The other guards explained that they had been attacked by men in black surcoats - thousands of archers. Sir Robert and Sir Ulrich were guarding the Queen. But there were so many - although they must have killed twenty or thirty ? that they were separated from Her Majesty. Sir Ulrich led a charge in an effort to free the Queen but the guard was overwhelmed and cut down. They tried to press on, but the assailants took the Queen away and put Her on a ship that was heading towards the east. The King lamented "Sir Robert and Sir Ulrich dead. My Queen taken. Meridies will mourn the deaths of Sir Ulrich and Sir Robert. Well, maybe I'm stretching that a little bit. But certainly we will mourn for our fallen Queen." The two surviving guards ? both women ? struggled to drag Sir Ulrich's corpse from the aisle, but His Majesty said to leave him, as he was dead, and that they would clean the mess later. People could walk around him and they should attend to their own wounds. Then, upon realizing that they had none, asked how they survived the onslaught unscathed. Then He realized that they were spared because of their gender and said "Nobody ever wants to kill the hot chicks." Sir Waldermar de ________ (spelling?)(group?) asked whether they should mobilize the army. His Majesty said that they should wait since they did not know who enemy was. His Majesty asked King Lutr whether He could dispatch emissaries to see what has happened to Her Majesty. The King of the Midrealm said it was fortunate that they were here, as the newest member of the Kingdom's Order of the Chivalry, Captain Gunnar Redboar (King's Champion, Midrealm) has traveled far and wide spreading his renown. He is well liked by most, except for those in the East. He was more than happy to dispatch His champion to see what he can uncover about Her whereabouts. The King thank him and added he would do likewise. The King sent Sir Baldric (spelling?) (group?) and Sir Waldemar (spelling?) to aid in the search. Captain Gunnar stepped on Sir Ulrich's chest as he left. The Order of the Bough was summoned. The populous began to laugh as they considered how the large group would move past Sir Ulrich's corpse, and Dame Fianna nic Dhaibhidh (Rising Stone?) took his boots as she came forward. In recognition of his travel for Crown and Kingdom, his service as Parchment Pursuivant, his great personal deeds for Their Majesties, steadfastness and faithfulness and ability to complete tasks, THL Simon the Wanderer (Brantestone)was inducted into the Order. As the Order left, Her Excellency Mistress Margery of Crosgate, called Marsali (Iron Mountain) said "Your Majesties, he stinks!" Either she or another gentle then exclaimed "There's flies!" and a lord added "Gadzooks! They've scalped him." King: I think he's become bloated with gas. Wait, that's just (unintelligible word) Her Ladyship Finna Halfdansdottir (no group affiliation): Court Barony. The King bestowed this honor upon her because her routine display at list fields of her pavilion with its furniture and banners was part of the inspiration that led Himself, Sir Ulrich, and Count Aengus to create the Meridian Grand Tournament. He also discussed the help she has given others to add to the pageantry of events by the creation of their own displays. As she left, she said "I know this is improper." and then kissed Ulrich's corpse after removing her coronet. The King took the opportunity to remind all to attend the coming MGT. Having returned from their patrol, Sir Waldermar (spelling?) (group?) and Sir Gunnar Redboar, were summoned to report on the fate of the Queen. Sir Gunnar said he had pursued their ancient enemy, the Tiger, for many years. He knew its signs, and that they were many. He believed that the Queen had been stolen and that two men were not enough. The King replied that, since the identity of the enemy could still not be determined, he did not wish to risk either the loss of more troops or damage to international relations without cause. He apologized to the populous, adding that he could not continue without his Queen. Who was the gentle holding the sword of state that His Majesty told to set aside his burden? The King then ordered his remaining guards to accompany him on his quest to find the Queen. Beacon Herald: All rise. This hereby closes the final court of Caspar and Cecelia, Sovereign and Consort of the Laurel Kingdom of Merides. And do so honor King Lutr and Queen Tessa, the Sovereign and Consort of the Laurel Kingdom of the Middle. Her Excellency, Mistress Odindisa Egilsdottir, Special Projects Deputy to the Kingdom Seneschal, summoned the Knights of Meridies to guard the thrones, the crowns, and the sword of state. At these words, the corpse of Sir Ulrich said "Oh, bloody hell." and rose to his feet. As he approached the throne, he added "Where the hell are my boots?" Mistress `Disa then instructed the Beacon Herald to find the Heirs and ask them to prepare for Their Coronation. Back to top _______________________________________________ Shadowclans mailing list Shadowclans at shadowclans.org http://shadowclans.org/mailman/listinfo/shadowclans_shadowclans.org From myfanwy at nauticom.net Fri Oct 3 13:53:49 2008 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Sort of OT... Fwd: [ShadowClans] The final court of King Caspar and Queen Cecelia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57862.209.195.147.252.1223056429.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! I understand that this sort of schtick at Meridian Coronations is the norm. Many Pennsics ago, I was in the bathhouse waiting in line for a shower. Some lady from Meridies named Rosamund (?) was regaling folks with stories of various Coronations down there. My favorite was the one where some very pregnant lady came into Court, accusing the King of Meridies of being the child's father. The King said "So what? I'm the KING! Take her away!" and the woman was removed by the guards, kicking and screaming. The Queen of Meridies got up, said "How DARE you betray me this way!" and stabbed the king with a collapsable dagger. The guards then removed the Queen (also kicking and screaming) from the hall. Everyone heard a chopping noise, then someone came back in with a (fake) hand under a bloody napkin on a platter, as "the hand that slew the King". The woman telling this story to all of us in the bathhouse said that she later stole the cloth, tore it into little pieces, and sold it as relics of Blessed St. Barbara (? or whatever the Queen's name had been), patroness of women with unfaithful husbands! Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > This was so amusing that I thought I would share... I LOVE this kind > of interplay because it keeps the courts lively and entertaining for > the populous!! > > Lord Taranach > > A lengthy report but worth the time to read. I love to see people get > into the game of it. > Ameris From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Fri Oct 3 14:14:19 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:14:19 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sort of OT... Fwd: [ShadowClans] The final court of King Caspar and Queen Cecelia In-Reply-To: <57862.209.195.147.252.1223056429.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> References: <57862.209.195.147.252.1223056429.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <57D1138B-D7B4-46A3-BB08-17685EB56638@rochester.rr.com> We were there for that one. It was the Day Irene got her Pelican... it was an ok contrivance, as contrivances go, but I have to say that I don't like this one particularly. Being an Easterner by upbringing & an Aethelmearcian by birth, I rather like how we do things here. FRIDRIKR inn gamli, stick-in-the-mud On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:53 PM, myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote: > Greetings from Myfanwy! > I understand that this sort of schtick at Meridian Coronations is > the norm. > Many Pennsics ago, I was in the bathhouse waiting in line for a > shower. > Some lady from Meridies named Rosamund (?) was regaling folks with > stories > of various Coronations down there. My favorite was the one where some > very pregnant lady came into Court, accusing the King of Meridies of > being > the child's father. The King said "So what? I'm the KING! Take her > away!" and the woman was removed by the guards, kicking and screaming. > The Queen of Meridies got up, said "How DARE you betray me this > way!" and > stabbed the king with a collapsable dagger. The guards then removed > the > Queen (also kicking and screaming) from the hall. Everyone heard a > chopping noise, then someone came back in with a (fake) hand under a > bloody napkin on a platter, as "the hand that slew the King". > The woman telling this story to all of us in the bathhouse said that > she > later stole the cloth, tore it into little pieces, and sold it as > relics > of Blessed St. Barbara (? or whatever the Queen's name had been), > patroness of women with unfaithful husbands! > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon > Ruth Morrisson > myfanwy at nauticom.net > >> This was so amusing that I thought I would share... I LOVE this kind >> of interplay because it keeps the courts lively and entertaining for >> the populous!! >> >> Lord Taranach >> >> A lengthy report but worth the time to read. I love to see people get >> into the game of it. >> Ameris > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From greenstein at earthlink.net Fri Oct 3 17:37:28 2008 From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:37:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [SCA-AE] Gabrielle d'Auvergne's vigil Message-ID: <32373708.1223069848640.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> [Forwarded by request] It is with pleasure I announce my Laurel vigil on November 15th, at the Tonawanda Castle in the Rhyderrich Hael. This is the Storming the Castle event as listed in the AEstel. As part of the celebration, I am sponsoring a bardic competition. There will be three prizes for three classes of bards: Storyteller, Singer, Musician. You may enter in one class but perform in any. The competition will be approximately one hour long. Times have not been set. I am waiting to hear what will work best for the autocrat. I believe we will have it set up so that bards may linger for as long as they like. Please join me in this day and partake of the wonderful classes and festivities the Barony has prepared. I'll be captive in my vigil room, but please come sing to me. Always in service, Gabrielle d'Auvergne From rufinasca at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 22:18:32 2008 From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:18:32 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] peercard fundraiser for Their Graces Message-ID: <88ccaae90810031918s23611dd2i916a6738b8e7f28d@mail.gmail.com> greetings all. i have recieved permission to sell re-prints of the 2 different peer cards that featured morghun as a fundraiser for his ladies. the 2 cards have the same bio, but have different pictures on them. both pictures were taken by Ts'vee'a bas Tseepora Levi. there will be cards for sale at crown tourney - SEE MARGARET MCFEE. the remainder of the cards will be sold at harvest raid or agincourt. email me if you will not be at any of those places but would like a set of cards and i'll see what i can arrange. rufinasca at gmail.com the cards will only be sold as a set of 2 for $5. ALL monies collected go to Their Graces. sorry for the lateness of this missive, but i've had blankity-blank-blank printer problems this week and have just gotten them solved. mostly. :) thank you for your support! rufina From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com Sat Oct 4 16:59:58 2008 From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Results Message-ID: <734131.99900.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just received word from the Event that Maynard Von Dem Steine, fighting for Liadain ni Dheirdre Chaomhanaigh, defeated Malcolm MacEoghainn, fighting for Tessa the Huntress, to win crown Tournament. Congrats to Their Highnesses Maynard & Liadain! in service Will From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Sat Oct 4 18:55:33 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:55:33 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Results In-Reply-To: <734131.99900.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <734131.99900.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It'll be a FUN year! FRIDRIKR (Happy dancing Old Guy) On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:59 PM, William Freskyn Murray wrote: > Just received word from the Event that Maynard Von Dem Steine, > fighting for Liadain ni Dheirdre Chaomhanaigh, defeated Malcolm > MacEoghainn, fighting for Tessa the Huntress, to win crown Tournament. > > Congrats to Their Highnesses Maynard & Liadain! > > in service > Will > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Sat Oct 4 19:29:45 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:29:45 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Results In-Reply-To: <734131.99900.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <734131.99900.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17D64421-F5E9-49DD-94AD-D930DEF15393@rochester.rr.com> Word from Baroness Orianna is that with 14 fighters, they fought a round-robin tournament & the top 4, after 13 bouts, moved to the semi- finals. Along with HRH Maynard & His Grace Malolm, the other semi- finalists were Sir Finn O?Shannon fighting for Baroness Anna Eisenkopf and THL Thorgrim Skullsplitter fighting for Lady Katla Ulfhednar. FRIDRIKR inn gamli On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:59 PM, William Freskyn Murray wrote: > Just received word from the Event that Maynard Von Dem Steine, > fighting for Liadain ni Dheirdre Chaomhanaigh, defeated Malcolm > MacEoghainn, fighting for Tessa the Huntress, to win crown Tournament. > > Congrats to Their Highnesses Maynard & Liadain! > > in service > Will > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From elady1 at suddenlink.net Sat Oct 4 21:34:12 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:34:12 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Thank Yous Message-ID: <20081005013417.ULIH28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Greetings all! First let me say that if you didn't sojourn to Crown Tournament today, you missed an absolutely glorious day in all aspects. The weather was wonderful. I couldn't have prayed for better. The people were courteous, gracious and I haven't witnessed THAT level of honor and chivalry on a Crown Tournament list field in many years. (What I saw at least, I was in the kitchens most all day.) Second, I have a few people to thank for the fabulous day that I had personally. Lady Catherine McGurkis (my apologies if I misspelled the sirname) Jamie (I'm sorry honey, I don't know your SCA name. *pouts*) Master Phillip the Tabouli king.... (Yet another apology as I don't know your sirname either) Valerie my other daughter. Tiarnain O'Cormicain (My husband) who just let me do my thing for months and smiled with pride all day. Bera, my amazing dish fairy. Their Majesties for the un-looked-for but sincerely grateful recognition. There are some others, and I am ashamed that I didn't have all the names written down. Thank you for all those who stopped to pay a kind word and say thank you. I have never done a feast before on my own let alone a sideboard that lasted all day. It was an experience, and believe it or not, one I'd be happy for again, I had THAT much fun researching, preparing and all day today - in the kitchens. I was on my feet most all day and happy to be so! I have never been made to feel so good about anything I have done in the SCA in the 19 years that I have been involved. I am so thankful for the opportunity and encouragement, none of you can truly appreciate how tremendously wonderful you all are to me. Thank you all so much for this opportunity, this experience and this extended family in the kingdom I can call my home. With a glad heart and most sincere thanks, Lady Erzebet Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From jmowry at hotmail.com Sat Oct 4 22:04:14 2008 From: jmowry at hotmail.com (lord_ian_campbell) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:04:14 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] My Dad Message-ID: To those that knew my dad . My dad passed away this evening around 8ish. Ill let you all know any arrangements as I find out. Ian From elady1 at suddenlink.net Sat Oct 4 22:05:55 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:05:55 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity Message-ID: <20081005020600.WYTE3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Ok, so I am curious. I know the awards just carried over from principality days, but how did folks come up with the names for them? From whence do they come? Keystone, Milrind, Gage, et al..... IS Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com Sat Oct 4 22:24:31 2008 From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <20081005020600.WYTE3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Erzebet asked: ? >how did folks come up with the names for [the awards]?? ? The Keystone was represents Pennsylvania, which is the Keystone state. The keystone in an arch also is the stone that keeps the arch up and standing, which was nice symbolism for a service order. ? The Sycamore was because the regional herald before we became a Principality was the Sycamore Herald. The name was changed to Silver Buccle Herald after AEthelmearc was founded. ? The Golden Alce was?the result of various discussions regarding what would make a good totem animal that wasn't already taken. "Alce" is actually an early form of the word "elk," though I believe in period "elk" was used to refer to any antlered critter including deer. I have a vague recollection that the "Golden" part was added because just "Alce" conflicted with something else heraldically. ? A Millrind was used to grind grain into flour, and could be considered the workhorse of a mill. It's also a traditional heraldic charge that's kind of interesting looking but easy to draw. :-) ? The Fleur is for the fleur-de-lys points on the end of the escarbuncle. ? A Gage is another name for a gauntlet. ? I don't know about the White Horn, though the hunting symbolism seems pretty clear. The Scarlet Guard is likewise pretty direct as the guardians of the kingdom. ? The White Scarf is an inter-kingdom order, and I think the original one was created in Ansteorra. You'd have to ask someone else what its symbolism is. ? The Cornelian was for the red stone that was chosen to represent AEthelmearc back when we were founded. I think the first coronets had cornelians (also spelled carnelians) on them. They are pretty and red, and much less expensive than rubies or garnets. :-) ? The Silver Buccle is actually a shoe buckle, though I honestly don't remember why that was chosen for the children's award. The Silver Alce and Silver Sycamore follow that pattern. Arianna of Wynthrope From elady1 at suddenlink.net Sat Oct 4 22:36:08 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:36:08 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081005020600.WYTE3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081005023612.XDPH3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Many thanks! I know why many of the awards in Calontir are named as they are, but I had never thought to ask until today why the awards here are named as they are. Thank you so much for the illumination in this area! IS Erzebet At 10:24 PM 10/4/2008, you wrote: >Erzebet asked: > > >how did folks come up with the names for [the awards]? > >The Keystone was represents Pennsylvania, which is the Keystone >state. The keystone in an arch also is the stone that keeps the arch >up and standing, which was nice symbolism for a service order. > >The Sycamore was because the regional herald before we became a >Principality was the Sycamore Herald. The name was changed to Silver >Buccle Herald after AEthelmearc was founded. > >The Golden Alce was the result of various discussions regarding what >would make a good totem animal that wasn't already taken. "Alce" is >actually an early form of the word "elk," though I believe in period >"elk" was used to refer to any antlered critter including deer. I >have a vague recollection that the "Golden" part was added because >just "Alce" conflicted with something else heraldically. > >A Millrind was used to grind grain into flour, and could be >considered the workhorse of a mill. It's also a traditional heraldic >charge that's kind of interesting looking but easy to draw. :-) > >The Fleur is for the fleur-de-lys points on the end of the escarbuncle. > >A Gage is another name for a gauntlet. > >I don't know about the White Horn, though the hunting symbolism >seems pretty clear. The Scarlet Guard is likewise pretty direct as >the guardians of the kingdom. > >The White Scarf is an inter-kingdom order, and I think the original >one was created in Ansteorra. You'd have to ask someone else what >its symbolism is. > >The Cornelian was for the red stone that was chosen to represent >AEthelmearc back when we were founded. I think the first coronets >had cornelians (also spelled carnelians) on them. They are pretty >and red, and much less expensive than rubies or garnets. :-) > >The Silver Buccle is actually a shoe buckle, though I honestly don't >remember why that was chosen for the children's award. The Silver >Alce and Silver Sycamore follow that pattern. > >Arianna of Wynthrope > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >to the list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From greyraven315 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 4 23:00:37 2008 From: greyraven315 at yahoo.com (Lady Giovanna DaNapoli) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] My Dad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <384293.97568.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Lord Ian, ? I am so sorry for your loose. I know how hard it is to lose a father. ? May his journey be as peaceful as a shimmering still lake. ? Prayers be with you, and your family, in this time of need. ? Sincerely, ? Lady Giovanna da Napoli Casa Sopra LA Argenteo Corvi Guida La Spada Deputy MoL for EndlessHills --- On Sat, 10/4/08, lord_ian_campbell wrote: From: lord_ian_campbell Subject: [SCA-AE] My Dad To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 10:04 PM To those that knew my dad . My dad passed away this evening around 8ish. Ill let you all know any arrangements as I find out. Ian _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From carwinr at aol.com Sat Oct 4 23:16:41 2008 From: carwinr at aol.com (carwinr at aol.com) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:16:41 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] My Dad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAF4AFEC1D3BC5-3B4-EB3@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Our condolences to you and your family. We too have recently lost a family member. Our hearts go out to you. Clarice & Artemius Delftwood -----Original Message----- From: lord_ian_campbell To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:04 pm Subject: [SCA-AE] My Dad To those that knew my dad . My dad passed away this evening around 8ish. Ill let you all know any arrangements as I find out. Ian _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From caleb at buffnet.net Sun Oct 5 00:05:00 2008 From: caleb at buffnet.net (J C Ronsen) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2008105050.588309@workstation> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:55:33 -0400, Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: > It'll be a FUN year! > > FRIDRIKR (Happy dancing Old Guy) > > On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:59 PM, William Freskyn Murray wrote: > >> Just received word from the Event that Maynard Von Dem Steine, >> fighting for Liadain ni Dheirdre Chaomhanaigh, defeated Malcolm >> MacEoghainn, fighting for Tessa the Huntress, to win crown >> Tournament. >> >> Congrats to Their Highnesses Maynard & Liadain! >> >> in service >> Will >> >> Whoo-hoo! Vivant Maynard and Liadain! ska: Baron Caleb Reynolds mka: Caleb Ronsen aka: Bubba th' Barbarian Baron of the Rhydderich Hael Inventor of the stainless steel pinata. http://www.buffnet.net/~caleb/caleb.htm "It's best to find a new word for this", Tom determined. From syrfinn at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 00:23:46 2008 From: syrfinn at yahoo.com (Syrfinn) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Results In-Reply-To: <17D64421-F5E9-49DD-94AD-D930DEF15393@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <382780.27890.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yep, that bastard Malcolm beat me in the semis. :p Oh I'm sorry, were are my manners, His Grace, that bastard, Malcolm. :p Was a good long day. We only had 14 competitors, cause 3 had to drop out. So the format was round robin, and we had to fight everyone. So 13 nice hard fights all day. Top 4 scores went to the semis. Maynard had one loss, Malcolm and I had 2, and Thorgrim Skullsplitter had 5 I think. Both semi fights were 2 out of 3. I won first fight vs Malcolm, he won second fight, and third fight, I had him legged, and he threw a nice over top shot, while I was backing out, that tagged me. Was good fight. Maynard won his first two fights with Thorgrimm. Thorgrimm fought hard, Maynard was just majorily on. Was not much stopping him today. Finals were first fight Maynard won with Great Sword, Maynard won second fight with Polearm, Malcolm won third fight with sword and shield, and Maynard won 4th fight with 2 weapons. Overall, was some of the better clean, hard throwing, crown fighting I have been part of in awhile, was a pleasure being part of it. In Service, Finn --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: > From: Thomas Ireland-Delfs > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Crown Results > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org, williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com > Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 7:29 PM > Word from Baroness Orianna is that with 14 fighters, they > fought a > round-robin tournament & the top 4, after 13 bouts, > moved to the semi- > finals. Along with HRH Maynard & His Grace Malolm, the > other semi- > finalists were Sir Finn O?Shannon fighting for Baroness > Anna Eisenkopf > and THL Thorgrim Skullsplitter fighting for Lady Katla > Ulfhednar. > > FRIDRIKR inn gamli > > > On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:59 PM, William Freskyn Murray wrote: > > > Just received word from the Event that Maynard Von Dem > Steine, > > fighting for Liadain ni Dheirdre Chaomhanaigh, > defeated Malcolm > > MacEoghainn, fighting for Tessa the Huntress, to win > crown Tournament. > > > > Congrats to Their Highnesses Maynard & Liadain! > > > > in service > > Will > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to > discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > > to the list. > > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > > > for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess > quotage. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Sun Oct 5 01:31:50 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:31:50 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3722053D-B4C7-4950-81D0-F373B2F86712@rochester.rr.com> The Silver Buccle, as in the Herald & the award for children, derives from the escarbuncle which is a buccle (as in a buckler, like the small shield). Of corse, period usage would make the Kingdom Herald the Aethelmearc Herald, but generally, in the SCA, the Principal Heralds have titles other than Herald: in the East, it's Brigantia; in the Middle, Dragon; in Drachenwald, Schwarzdrachern, etc. And now I'll be going back to bed. FRIDRIKR inn gamli On Oct 4, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Karen Kasper wrote: > Erzebet asked: > >> how did folks come up with the names for [the awards]? > > The Keystone was represents Pennsylvania, which is the Keystone > state. The keystone in an arch also is the stone that keeps the arch > up and standing, which was nice symbolism for a service order. > > The Sycamore was because the regional herald before we became a > Principality was the Sycamore Herald. The name was changed to Silver > Buccle Herald after AEthelmearc was founded. > > The Golden Alce was the result of various discussions regarding what > would make a good totem animal that wasn't already taken. "Alce" is > actually an early form of the word "elk," though I believe in period > "elk" was used to refer to any antlered critter including deer. I > have a vague recollection that the "Golden" part was added because > just "Alce" conflicted with something else heraldically. > > A Millrind was used to grind grain into flour, and could be > considered the workhorse of a mill. It's also a traditional heraldic > charge that's kind of interesting looking but easy to draw. :-) > > The Fleur is for the fleur-de-lys points on the end of the > escarbuncle. > > A Gage is another name for a gauntlet. > > I don't know about the White Horn, though the hunting symbolism > seems pretty clear. The Scarlet Guard is likewise pretty direct as > the guardians of the kingdom. > > The White Scarf is an inter-kingdom order, and I think the original > one was created in Ansteorra. You'd have to ask someone else what > its symbolism is. > > The Cornelian was for the red stone that was chosen to represent > AEthelmearc back when we were founded. I think the first coronets > had cornelians (also spelled carnelians) on them. They are pretty > and red, and much less expensive than rubies or garnets. :-) > > The Silver Buccle is actually a shoe buckle, though I honestly don't > remember why that was chosen for the children's award. The Silver > Alce and Silver Sycamore follow that pattern. > > Arianna of Wynthrope > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From alheydis at frodelius.com Sun Oct 5 06:31:46 2008 From: alheydis at frodelius.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alheydis_von_K=F6rckhingen?=) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:31:46 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E89792.2090506@frodelius.com> Karen Kasper wrote: > The Cornelian was for the red stone that was chosen to represent AEthelmearc back when we were founded. I think the first coronets had cornelians (also spelled carnelians) on them. They are pretty and red, and much less expensive than rubies or garnets. :-) > The origin of the escarbuncle as a heraldic charge involves several theories as to what it symbolizes. One theory, and the most likely IMO, is that is symbolizes the support strapping on a shield. Another theory holds that it represents the rays of light bouncing off of a gemstone, the "carbuncle." According to that interpretation of the charge, a heraldic escarbuncle should always be drawn with an opening in the center, which represents, or would hold, the gemstone. "Carbuncle" is an archaic term for garnet, but in a broader sense it means any (cabachon cut) red gemstone, of which the carnelian is also one. :-) Cheers! Alheydis -- ============================================== Mistress Alheydis von K?rckhingen, OL Garnet Herald to the Kingdom of ?thelmearc Windmill Pursuivant to the Barony of Delftwood From hildasca at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 08:12:47 2008 From: hildasca at hotmail.com (Krista Traini) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:12:47 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081005020600.WYTE3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I don't know about the White Horn, though the hunting symbolism seems pretty clear. . > Interestingly, the White Horn was nearly the Order of the Caltrop. It was deemed to nasty to horses, though, especially since part of the Order would be equestrian. The White Horn was chosen in part for hunting symbolism and in part for ease-of-reproduction, as I recall. ~Hilda _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From hjholmes at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 08:43:39 2008 From: hjholmes at gmail.com (Heather Holmes) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:43:39 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: References: <20081005020600.WYTE3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57630ae90810050543g5c518b6aw59a3202df0d6052f@mail.gmail.com> For some reason "cornelian" always makes me think of dogwood. I'll have to go check our hedges, but I'm almost positive that it bears small red berries. I thought it was a bit of an odd selection for an award, but figured there must be an interesting story behind it. Turns out to be several! Thank you for asking this question, and thanks to all who answered. Verederosa On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Krista Traini wrote: > > > > I don't know about the White Horn, though the hunting symbolism seems > pretty clear. . > > > Interestingly, the White Horn was nearly the Order of the Caltrop. It was > deemed to nasty to horses, though, especially since part of the Order would > be equestrian. The White Horn was chosen in part for hunting symbolism and > in part for ease-of-reproduction, as I recall. > > ~Hilda > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of > your life. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From dgreenaw at kcnet.org Sun Oct 5 08:54:38 2008 From: dgreenaw at kcnet.org (Dennis C. Greenaway) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:54:38 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] My Dad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F4B3695-0631-4EA6-BD42-565F110A0DDD@kcnet.org> I extend my sympathies Denys Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2008, at 10:04 PM, "lord_ian_campbell" wrote: > To those that knew my dad . My dad passed away this evening around > 8ish. Ill let you all know any arrangements as I find out. > > > Ian > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From chatalot at verizon.net Sun Oct 5 09:14:43 2008 From: chatalot at verizon.net (chatalot at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:14:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity Message-ID: <10395299.1131921223212483465.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> When a Cornelian is given out, it's just a loose stone. As receiver of the second one to be awarded, we discussed how it should be displayed, and was told that was up to the recipient. I had it put on a pin/pendant in the center of a silver escarbuncle. It was a pretty way of displaying the stone and also representing AEthelmearc. I'm happy to see that the symbolism is more than just decorative. Fionnghuala na Liosa Linne > Karen Kasper wrote: > The Cornelian was for the red stone that was chosen to represent > AEthelmearc back when we were founded. I think the first coronets had > cornelians (also spelled carnelians) on them. They are pretty and red, > and much less expensive than rubies or garnets. :-) > ?? The origin of the escarbuncle as a heraldic charge involves several theories as to what it symbolizes. One theory, and the most likely IMO, is that is symbolizes the support strapping on a shield. Another theory holds that it represents the rays of light bouncing off of a gemstone, the "carbuncle." According to that interpretation of the charge, a heraldic escarbuncle should always be drawn with an opening in the center, which represents, or would hold, the gemstone. "Carbuncle" is an archaic term for garnet, but in a broader sense it means any (cabachon cut) red gemstone, of which the carnelian is also one. :-) Cheers! Alheydis -- ============================================== Mistress Alheydis von K?rckhingen, OL Garnet Herald to the Kingdom of ?thelmearc Windmill Pursuivant to the Barony of Delftwood _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org ? ?to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org ? ?. Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc ? ?for: ?more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From elady1 at suddenlink.net Sun Oct 5 11:42:55 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:42:55 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <57630ae90810050543g5c518b6aw59a3202df0d6052f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20081005020600.WYTE3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <57630ae90810050543g5c518b6aw59a3202df0d6052f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081005154300.ZNJF3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> I have a dogwood in my front yard. Indeed it does bear small red berries. The hedges do also, though they are a different variety of the plant. Erzebet At 08:43 AM 10/5/2008, you wrote: >For some reason "cornelian" always makes me think of dogwood. I'll have to >go check our hedges, but I'm almost positive that it bears small red >berries. > >I thought it was a bit of an odd selection for an award, but figured there >must be an interesting story behind it. Turns out to be several! > >Thank you for asking this question, and thanks to all who answered. > >Verederosa > > >On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Krista Traini wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't know about the White Horn, though the hunting symbolism seems > > pretty clear. . > > > > > Interestingly, the White Horn was nearly the Order of the Caltrop. It was > > deemed to nasty to horses, though, especially since part of the Order would > > be equestrian. The White Horn was chosen in part for hunting symbolism and > > in part for ease-of-reproduction, as I recall. > > > > ~Hilda > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of > > your life. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > > list. > > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >to the list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From katjaorlova at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 14:46:29 2008 From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <726391.57639.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> The White Scarf is an inter-kingdom order, and I think the original one was created in Ansteorra. You'd have to ask someone else what its symbolism is. ? No one else has commented on this, so here's our kingdom's order webpage; it lists the history and lineage of the order in AEthelmearc: http://www.aerapier.org/wsindex.html IIRC, over a dozen kingdoms have signed the White Scarf treaty with Ansteorra, which allows them to use the same name for rapier orders within their own kingdoms. (Crud, Eric moved his framed copy of the treaty, so I can?t read it?) Tivar Moondragon, the first White Scarf, wrote: "The Order of the White Scarf was originally created as an award in the Principality of Ansteorra in March of A.S. XIII (1979). It was intended to provide recognition for excellence in the growing population of rapier fighters in the principality. In the Renaissance a white scarf was worn as a badge of military rank. The only picture I've ever seen shows it worn as a baldric, left shoulder to right hip. Obviously this would be unacceptable in an SCA context, so a much smaller version, worn only about the shoulder, was designed. (Cyrano de Bergerac was the source of the original idea.)" Katja ? From jenn.strobel at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 14:58:04 2008 From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:58:04 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Feast Menu for Agincourt Message-ID: <2ae6b4a90810051158u62bc8505n21aff63286a2b965@mail.gmail.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ To the Kingdom of AEthelmearc does its loyal subject Odriana vander Brugghe bid greetings on this day after our Heirs have been chosen. The Feast Menu for the Agincourt event, scheduled for the 25th of October in the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands, is now published. Please go to: http://www.medievalcooking.org/agincourt_menu_2008_jjs%2010052008.html for the fancy webpage version. To make it easier to find in your email and in the archive, here is the menu: (V) = Vegetarian First Course (V)Figs with Ricotta and Honey Figs topped with fresh ricotta and drizzled with honey (V) Pipesfarces Cheese breaded with flour and fried in butter. (V) Bread Fine white bread served with herb butter. Second Course (V) Onion-Pea Soup Onion and pea puree garnished with parsley and lemon juice (V) Mock Entrails Figs, raisins, and dates. Third Course (V) Fraunche Mele Oats, breadcrumbs, milk, and eggs cooked as a pudding, then sliced and fried in butter. Chewets for a Fish Day Individual fish pies with dates, raisins, and dried plums. (V) Rose of Germany White peas in almond milk. Fourth Course Glazed Sops Chicken served on a bed of almonds garnished with sugar and ginger. Colored Charlet Pork cooked in almond milk with pine nuts and colored with saunders (sandalwood). (V) Apple Soup Apples with sugar and saffron. Entrements Fifth Course (V) Entrails of the Woods Almonds and Walnuts cooked in butter with sugar and spices. (V) Apple Fritters Fritters served with apples and garnished with sugar and blades of mace. If you have any questions about this menu, please do not hesitate to contact Odriana either via email at jenn.strobel at gmail.com or by telephone at 412.486.0566 (calls between 9 a.m. and 9 p.m. only, please). For more information about the event, please visit http://www.debatablelands.org/agincourt2008.html. OVB -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." -Frank Zappa From bladenjoe at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 4 22:50:28 2008 From: bladenjoe at roadrunner.com (Joe the Just) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:50:28 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <936554.79382.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That was most informative. Thank you very much for both asking and again for answering that question. Augusto G. -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu]On Behalf Of Karen Kasper Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:25 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity Erzebet asked: ? >how did folks come up with the names for [the awards]?? ? The Keystone was represents Pennsylvania, which is the Keystone state. The keystone in an arch also is the stone that keeps the arch up and standing, which was nice symbolism for a service order. ? The Sycamore was because the regional herald before we became a Principality was the Sycamore Herald. The name was changed to Silver Buccle Herald after AEthelmearc was founded. ? The Golden Alce was?the result of various discussions regarding what would make a good totem animal that wasn't already taken. "Alce" is actually an early form of the word "elk," though I believe in period "elk" was used to refer to any antlered critter including deer. I have a vague recollection that the "Golden" part was added because just "Alce" conflicted with something else heraldically. ? A Millrind was used to grind grain into flour, and could be considered the workhorse of a mill. It's also a traditional heraldic charge that's kind of interesting looking but easy to draw. :-) ? The Fleur is for the fleur-de-lys points on the end of the escarbuncle. ? A Gage is another name for a gauntlet. ? I don't know about the White Horn, though the hunting symbolism seems pretty clear. The Scarlet Guard is likewise pretty direct as the guardians of the kingdom. ? The White Scarf is an inter-kingdom order, and I think the original one was created in Ansteorra. You'd have to ask someone else what its symbolism is. ? The Cornelian was for the red stone that was chosen to represent AEthelmearc back when we were founded. I think the first coronets had cornelians (also spelled carnelians) on them. They are pretty and red, and much less expensive than rubies or garnets. :-) ? The Silver Buccle is actually a shoe buckle, though I honestly don't remember why that was chosen for the children's award. The Silver Alce and Silver Sycamore follow that pattern. Arianna of Wynthrope _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From jbastian at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 5 18:52:27 2008 From: jbastian at stny.rr.com (Jennifer Bastian) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:52:27 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fundraising in memory of His Grace Morghun Sheridan In-Reply-To: <008a01c9241b$4797d6e0$6501a8c0@ANDERSON> References: <008a01c9241b$4797d6e0$6501a8c0@ANDERSON> Message-ID: <007101c9273d$0a2e3ae0$6801a8c0@ANDERSON> Vivat to the Sylvan Kingdom's new Heirs His Highness Maynard and Her Highness Liadain! Vivat also to the generosity of all who attended Crown Tourney and assisted with donations, selling tickets, and/or purchasing tickets. The raffle raised $207.00! I look forward to seeing many of you this weekend at Harvest Raid where we will have a large ticket raffle with many interesting and nifty items. They items include: A custom banner A 9' piece of inkle woven trim in YOUR colors A hand carved Long bow Beautiful Garb Donations are still very much appreciated and any interested parties can contact Lady Aine inghean Riocaird. She can be reached at olafandaine at twcny.rr.com. Again thank you all for our generosity yesterday, Overwhelmed with the generosity of such a noble kingdom, Margerite Baroness Margerite de la Marche eventsteward at heronter.org From donnamac456 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 18:53:52 2008 From: donnamac456 at yahoo.com (Donna MacTavish) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO person incharge of background check Message-ID: <406511.29737.qm@web35302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am looking for the person in charge of Background checks. I have 2 Youth Marshals in training that need to have theres done. PLease contact me. ? In service Cristina From caryl at faerhaga.org Sun Oct 5 19:04:42 2008 From: caryl at faerhaga.org (Caryl) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:04:42 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO person incharge of background check In-Reply-To: <406511.29737.qm@web35302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0AD234DE97BB4E94B99F8E9C94459134@bigblue> In order to obtain a background check, you must be an officer - either a youth officer or a youth combat marshal. I am looking into re-working how this is done, but for right now, you would apply to either the Kingdom Chancellor Minor to be a Youth Officer, or the appropriate Kingdom Youth Marshal to become a Youth Marshal. The Kingdom Officer/Marshal will then forward your contact information to the Kingdom Seneschal, who will send out the background check paperwork. Contact information must include mundane name and address. Please let me know if you have any questions. I can be reached at ae.seneschal at aethelmearc.org or caryl at faerhaga.org. Caryl Kingdom Seneschal -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Donna MacTavish Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 6:54 PM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO person incharge of background check I am looking for the person in charge of Background checks. I have 2 Youth Marshals in training that need to have theres done. PLease contact me. ? In service Cristina From illish_o at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 20:57:38 2008 From: illish_o at hotmail.com (Illish O'Donovan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:57:38 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Her Excellency Mistress Giulietta da Venezia Message-ID: Would Her Excellency Mistress Giulietta da Venezia please contact me off the list. Thank you, Countess Ilish _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From sunshadow at twcny.rr.com Sun Oct 5 22:20:15 2008 From: sunshadow at twcny.rr.com (F. Page Steinhardt) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:20:15 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Still looking for teachers for the Metals Symposium Message-ID: <48E975DF.1060704@twcny.rr.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings, I am trying to put together a schedule for classes for the metals symposium, and I have had some volunteers to teach classes, now I need enough details to be able to build a class list and schedule. Remember, not all classes need to be or should be hands-on. Academic classes on the history of, effects of, cultural significance etc. of different things related to metals, weapon development, mining etc. are extremely beneficial to our understanding of history and culture in the SCA represented periods. Information that would be helpful: Greetings! I am sending out a reminder again, as the metals symposium is only two weeks away, I have had a bunch of people say that they would teach classes, so now I need information that I can compile into an actual class schedule! It looks like we have classes on basic forging, bladesmithing, the history and construction of a viking axe, glass bead making, Viking wire weaving, possible pewter casting, engraving, and basic jewelry fabrication techniques, but I'm lacking specifics on many of these classes that are necessary to build a schedule. There are also teachers that have expressed an interest in teaching, that I haven't heard from yet. This looks like it is going to be a great event, and I want as many talented craftspeople sharing their knowlege as possible! If you are planning to teach, if you can give me as much of the information below as you can, that would make my job a whole lot easier, and help me get the word out so that as many people as possible can benefit from your teaching! SCA name of teacher (and assistants if relavent) Class title (important!) short class description class level (basic, intermediate, expert etc.) short teacher bio if possible Preferred time to teach (I cannot guarantee time slots as there is only so much space but I will try) Earliest and latest workable timeslots Preferred class length, and min/max limitations Preferred or absolute class max size handouts available? materials fee required? (you will be responsible for collecting your own fee if applicable) facility requirements (shelter, electricity, etc.) What people should bring of their own (if applicable) any other relevant information that you feel will assist in making this a great and fun learning experience. I have copied the event announcement below from the Myfkfaelinn website at http://myrkfaelinn.aethelmearc.org/events/2008-10.html Looking forward to a great event! In Service, THL John Michael Thorpe -- http://www.sunshadowdesign.com Without craftsmanship there is no art, only a sad suggestion of what could have been. From langdon_g at excite.com Mon Oct 6 06:37:15 2008 From: langdon_g at excite.com (Langdon) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:37:15 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity Message-ID: <20081006063715.4858@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> The other reasons for the Golden and the name Alce were as a heraldic pun based on the person who came up with it. I was there with Tarbold, Cainder I believe Tsvea was there too, in our dining room shortly after Tarbold and Cainder were made Prince and Princess. Ardis came up with the Alce which she remembered friom one of her heraldry books as a Heraldic beast looking like a leopard but instead of spots it had spikes sticking from its body. They also wanted to have it differ from the tiger of the East so they added the golden to the alce. Which looking at Alice with her gold hair; was the pun. After that they had difficulty finding the exact animal Alce, Ardis remembered so it followed the direction Arianna told of below. Langdon Erzebet asked: > >> how did folks come up with the names for [the awards]? > > The Golden Alce was the result of various discussions regarding what > would make a good totem animal that wasn't already taken. "Alce" is > actually an early form of the word "elk," though I believe in period > "elk" was used to refer to any antlered critter including deer. I > have a vague recollection that the "Golden" part was added because > just "Alce" conflicted with something else heraldically. ------------------------------------------------------------ Gutter Covers Keep leaves & branches out of your gutters. Click now to save on gutter covers. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/JkJQPTgLSdKgpPYH9ceF1PudGRI7hno9RJ0q5pAXEp30gV5ldQq4NM/ From sarah.goslee at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 06:53:47 2008 From: sarah.goslee at gmail.com (Sarah Goslee) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:53:47 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fiber, Fabric and Fighting VI, Nov. 15, Lamar PA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings! A weekend of fiber arts is rapidly approaching. Fiber, Fabric and Fighting VI will be held the weekend of November 14-16, in Lamar, PA. There will be all sorts of classes, a tournament, and a general good time. There is still room in the class schedule - please come teach! Take classes! This year's theme is "Iceland", and classes related to that area are especially desirable, but we like pretty much everything. Complete event information is available here: http://www.stringpage.com/fff/fff6.html and class lists from previous years are at http://www.stringpage.com I hope to see many of you in November! Phiala -- Sarah Goslee http://www.stringpage.com From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Mon Oct 6 06:54:57 2008 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:54:57 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <20081006063715.4858@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> References: <20081006063715.4858@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: The Sycamore was also used because the Sycamore tree is native to the area, if I remember correctly. The Gage came about because I was tired of the proliferation of "danglies" - every award had to have a badge that got put on a string around someone's neck. My idea (which unfortunately has never been properly implemented) was that the members of the Gage would be given a pair of black gauntlets or gloves with the escarbuncle embroidered on them. Very similar to the East Kingdom Queen's Order of Courtesy which is a white glove embroidered with a blue rose. Some day, when I win the lottery, I would love to make every member of the gage a pair of black leather gloves with a white escarbuncle on the right one. Orianna -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Langdon Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:37 AM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity The other reasons for the Golden and the name Alce were as a heraldic pun based on the person who came up with it. I was there with Tarbold, Cainder I believe Tsvea was there too, in our dining room shortly after Tarbold and Cainder were made Prince and Princess. Ardis came up with the Alce which she remembered friom one of her heraldry books as a Heraldic beast looking like a leopard but instead of spots it had spikes sticking from its body. They also wanted to have it differ from the tiger of the East so they added the golden to the alce. Which looking at Alice with her gold hair; was the pun. After that they had difficulty finding the exact animal Alce, Ardis remembered so it followed the direction Arianna told of below. Langdon Erzebet asked: > >> how did folks come up with the names for [the awards]? > > The Golden Alce was the result of various discussions regarding what > would make a good totem animal that wasn't already taken. "Alce" is > actually an early form of the word "elk," though I believe in period > "elk" was used to refer to any antlered critter including deer. I > have a vague recollection that the "Golden" part was added because > just "Alce" conflicted with something else heraldically. ------------------------------------------------------------ Gutter Covers Keep leaves & branches out of your gutters. Click now to save on gutter covers. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/JkJQPTgLSdKgpPYH9ceF1PudGRI7hno9RJ0q5pAXEp3 0gV5ldQq4NM/ ________________________________________________________________________ _ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. ________________________________________________________________________ _ From hraefnn at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 10:00:16 2008 From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <48E89792.2090506@frodelius.com> Message-ID: <224942.90479.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alheydis, Isn't there a scroll for Fridrikr that we're suppose to collaborating on? How's the illumination going? Raven ---------------------------------------------------------- And this above all to thine own self be true. - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" From hraefnn at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 10:01:11 2008 From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiousity In-Reply-To: <48E89792.2090506@frodelius.com> Message-ID: <554339.12242.qm@web35301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Apologies all! That was suppose to be a private message. Raven ---------------------------------------------------------- And this above all to thine own self be true. - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" From mol.maria at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 11:35:49 2008 From: mol.maria at yahoo.com (Maria Christina de Cordoba) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Photos Message-ID: <84275.65314.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ?? Greetings, ? Alaxandair would like to apologize?for taking so long. 352 photos can be veiwed here: ? ?? http://www.flickr.com/photos/wvexposure/sets/72157607781173887/ ? Enjoy, ? Maria From salley at galileo.canisius.edu Mon Oct 6 09:36:57 2008 From: salley at galileo.canisius.edu (David Salley) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:36:57 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiosity Message-ID: <200810061336.m96DavXK007636@galileo.canisius.edu> "The Gage came about because I was tired of the proliferation of "danglies" - every award had to have a badge that got put on a string around someone's neck." -- Orianna Unfortunately, that's what it will gravitate to. For decades, the East Kingdom Order of the Troubadour didn't have a badge. The recipient got a tankard or goblet from TRM. However, a certain gentle with Merit Badge Syndrome had his wife embroider all his awards. For the Troubadour, she used an inverted goblet leaking a drop of wine. Now, people think that's the official badge of the order. It's not. There isn't one. But bards in the East today get a dangly. -- Dagonell From elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 11:48:38 2008 From: elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com (Elss_of_Augsburg) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Feast Menu for Agincourt In-Reply-To: <2ae6b4a90810051158u62bc8505n21aff63286a2b965@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <63390.58110.qm@web46211.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Milady -- ? I am drooling already!! ? What can I do to help prepare in advance of the day? If you have a mailing list, please put me on it! ? Ready to serve in any way?needed as long as I am near the fritters or apple anything---- ? Elss, who hasn't had lunch yet..... ? ? --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Jenn Strobel wrote: From: Jenn Strobel Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Feast Menu for Agincourt To: "announcements" Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 6:58 PM Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ To the Kingdom of AEthelmearc does its loyal subject Odriana vander Brugghe bid greetings on this day after our Heirs have been chosen. The Feast Menu for the Agincourt event, scheduled for the 25th of October in the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands, is now published. Please go to: http://www.medievalcooking.org/agincourt_menu_2008_jjs%2010052008.html for the fancy webpage version. To make it easier to find in your email and in the archive, here is the menu: (V) = Vegetarian First Course (V)Figs with Ricotta and Honey Figs topped with fresh ricotta and drizzled with honey (V) Pipesfarces Cheese breaded with flour and fried in butter. (V) Bread Fine white bread served with herb butter. Second Course (V) Onion-Pea Soup Onion and pea puree garnished with parsley and lemon juice (V) Mock Entrails Figs, raisins, and dates. Third Course (V) Fraunche Mele Oats, breadcrumbs, milk, and eggs cooked as a pudding, then sliced and fried in butter. Chewets for a Fish Day Individual fish pies with dates, raisins, and dried plums. (V) Rose of Germany White peas in almond milk. Fourth Course Glazed Sops Chicken served on a bed of almonds garnished with sugar and ginger. Colored Charlet Pork cooked in almond milk with pine nuts and colored with saunders (sandalwood). (V) Apple Soup Apples with sugar and saffron. Entrements Fifth Course (V) Entrails of the Woods Almonds and Walnuts cooked in butter with sugar and spices. (V) Apple Fritters Fritters served with apples and garnished with sugar and blades of mace. If you have any questions about this menu, please do not hesitate to contact Odriana either via email at jenn.strobel at gmail.com or by telephone at 412.486.0566 (calls between 9 a.m. and 9 p.m. only, please). For more information about the event, please visit http://www.debatablelands.org/agincourt2008.html. OVB -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." -Frank Zappa _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From mistresscynthia at verizon.net Mon Oct 6 11:56:36 2008 From: mistresscynthia at verizon.net (mistresscynthia at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:56:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Photos Message-ID: <11234259.2796791223308596194.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> These are wonderful! Thanks for sharing!!!! Cynthia :D On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Maria Christina de Cordoba wrote: > ?? Greetings, ? Alaxandair would like to apologize?for taking so long. 352 photos can be veiwed here: ? ?? http://www.flickr.com/photos/wvexposure/sets/72157607781173887/ ? ? Enjoy, ? Maria ????? _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org ? ?to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org ? ?. Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc ? ?for: ?more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Mon Oct 6 12:53:32 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (fridrikr at rochester.rr.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:53:32 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Photos Message-ID: <8305239.418541223312012669.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web08-z02> What little I got to look at during lunch look great! Thank you for sharing. FRIDRIKR inn gamli ---- Maria Christina de Cordoba wrote: > ?? Greetings, > ? > Alaxandair would like to apologize?for taking so long. 352 photos can be veiwed here: > ? > ?? http://www.flickr.com/photos/wvexposure/sets/72157607781173887/ > ? > Enjoy, > ? Maria > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From yasmina at faerhaga.org Mon Oct 6 13:34:03 2008 From: yasmina at faerhaga.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?yasmina?=) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:34:03 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] =?iso-8859-1?q?OT=3A_ISO_THL_Allesandra_d=27Avignon?= Message-ID: <20081006173403.16116.qmail@hoster906.com> Good Gentles all, please forgive the use of bandwidth, but would Her Ladyship Allesandra d'Avignon please contact me off-list, I can't seem to put a hand (or a mouse pointer) on an email address. thank you kindly, Dona Alessandra Bentivegna da Faenza, called Yasmina From kardasl+ at pitt.edu Mon Oct 6 14:39:13 2008 From: kardasl+ at pitt.edu (Larry & Colleen Kardasz) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] OT: ISO THL Allesandra d'Avignon In-Reply-To: <20081006173403.16116.qmail@hoster906.com> References: <20081006173403.16116.qmail@hoster906.com> Message-ID: <4281.71.61.100.69.1223318353.squirrel@webmail.pitt.edu> Responded to. Thank you. Alessandra > Good Gentles all, please forgive the use of bandwidth, but would Her > Ladyship Allesandra d'Avignon please contact me off-list, I can't seem to > put a hand (or a mouse pointer) on an email address. > > thank you kindly, > > Dona Alessandra Bentivegna da Faenza, called Yasmina > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." -- Dave Barry From clannscot at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 15:54:11 2008 From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:54:11 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: SASS fundraiser In-Reply-To: <367599D66B8945C69BC86C1E723B527B@nancy6b659cc08> References: <367599D66B8945C69BC86C1E723B527B@nancy6b659cc08> Message-ID: Greetings, Just as a reminder I will be doing this will be taking place this weekend at Harvest Raid. Below is the original email with all pertinent information. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Unto the Populace of Aethelmearc does Lady Deirdre Scot send fond greetings. While at Pennsic I learned more about SASS. Now, I always knew what it was but never knew the behind the scenes aspect of it. Not only do they support our army but also our allies during Pennsic. They help keep them hydrated and replenish the electrolytes that our fighters depleat during the sometimes extremely hot and muggy weather that frequents Pennsic, by supplying pickles, watermelon, oranges and olives. To help offset some of the out of pocket expense that the Ladies of SASS have incurred. I will be holding a fundraiser for SASS at Harvest Raid. I will be making homemade chocolate bars and will be selling them for $1.00 per bar. I will have, milk chocolate bars, dark chocolate bars and chocolate mint bars with me. The bars are approximately 3-3/4" x 2-1/4" x 1/4". I would like to do this at a couple of different events, but as of this moment Harvest Raid is the only one I currently have slated to do this at. If anyone has any questions or concerns please feel free to contact me at ladydeirdre at roadrunner.com. In Service, Lady Deirdre Scot Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From skaplan418 at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 17:06:31 2008 From: skaplan418 at gmail.com (Selena Kaplan) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiosity In-Reply-To: <200810061336.m96DavXK007636@galileo.canisius.edu> References: <200810061336.m96DavXK007636@galileo.canisius.edu> Message-ID: <4357371a0810061406g63c42ab6nc8105a7bd2ef85ab@mail.gmail.com> Hello, The dangly appears to have gone out of style again. When I recieved my Troubadour from TRM Thorson and Svava, I got a cup. I have not seen anyone get a "badge" in the time I was attending Court. Mahin On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:36 AM, David Salley wrote: > > "The Gage came about because I was tired of the proliferation of > "danglies" - every award had to have a badge that got put on a string > around someone's neck." -- Orianna > > Unfortunately, that's what it will gravitate to. For decades, the East > Kingdom Order of the Troubadour didn't have a badge. The recipient got > a tankard or goblet from TRM. However, a certain gentle with Merit Badge > Syndrome had his wife embroider all his awards. For the Troubadour, she > used an inverted goblet leaking a drop of wine. Now, people think that's > the official badge of the order. It's not. There isn't one. But bards > in the East today get a dangly. > -- Dagonell > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From CNesbit253 at aol.com Mon Oct 6 17:12:34 2008 From: CNesbit253 at aol.com (CNesbit253 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:12:34 EDT Subject: [SCA-AE] Heavy Weapons Champs at Harvest Raid Message-ID: Good Gentles: In addition to determining Our Archery and Thrown weapons champions, We will be having Our Heavy Weapons Champion Tournament this weekend at Harvest Raid. The exact format for the heavy weapons tournament is not yet decided, however, We can say that it will be somewhat unusual. We would ask that those who would participate bring all weapons forms which they are authorized to use in combat. We look forward to seeing you this weekend for a challenging day of fighting. Christopher and Morgen Rex and Regina ?thelmearc **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com Mon Oct 6 19:22:43 2008 From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:22:43 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Stefan's Florilegium files for October Message-ID: <4E92F63B-A2A0-41DA-BBAB-8D8F4872E4E0@austin.rr.com> Greetings to the Gentle Folk across the Known World, Here is a copy of my Florilegium article for October describing what is new in the Florilegium this month. If you are a newsletter editor and would like to get this monthly article several weeks in advance of my posting it to the Internet so that you have time to put it into your newsletter, please email me. If you maintain a website and would like to get the version of this article which includes the links to each file, also email me. I am always interested in new articles for the Florilegium. If you have written any articles for a local newsletter or papers for A&S contests or class handouts, please send them to me. My policy is that copyright remains with the author and I will take updates at any time. This means that you don't have to wait until you are an expert or your paper is perfect. In the meantime, the rest of us can be learning from the work you have already done. Thanks, Stefan ------- A Blending of the Past and Present Over the past nineteen years in an ongoing effort, I have been collecting bits of useful information from various newsgroups, mail lists and articles submitted to me by their authors. In order to make this information available to others, I have placed this information in a collection of files I call Stefan's Florilegium. The Florilegium is on the web at: http://www.florilegium.org I am always interested in new articles. If you have written an article that would be of interest to others in the SCA, please send it to me for possible inclusion in the Florilegium. A&S documentation and class handouts will also often work out well. THLord Stefan li Rous Ansteorra stefan at florilegium.org Here are the new files for this month: In the CELEBRATIONS AND EVENTS section: SC-Outlandish-msg A pirate themed Siege Cooking competition at the 2008 Outlandish event. siege-cooking-msg A cooking contest where teams are given min. time, ingredients to create a meal. In the CRAFTS section: cast-cutlefsh-msg Casting pewter using cuttlefish molds. decor-rivets-msg Decorative rivets for leather, armor. Pyrography-art "Pyrography" by Lady Lillian the Wandering Artist. (woodburning) In the FEASTS section: ME-Refrsh-Tbl-art A Middle Eastern themed refreshment table by Urtatim at Mists Coronation. Recipes. In the FOOD section: rec-tim-pray-msg Period recipes using prayers for timing. In the FOOD-BOOKS Feudl-Gourmet-art A list of the Feudal Gourmet pamphlet series by the Madrone Culinary Guild. In the FOOD-FRUITS section: currants-msg Medieval currants. Red or black currants, not "raisins of Corinth". In the PERSONAL CARE section: cough-powder-art "A Powder for the Cough" by Lady Elinor Strangewayes. Scented-Oils-art "Making Medieval Style Scented Oils & Waters" by Metressa Jadwiga Zajaczkowa. Here are the updated files for this month. Aten-hist-msg Histories of the Kingdom of Atenveldt. bees-msg Period beekeeping. casting-msg Casting pewter and other metals. Fadalat-art "Culinary Abundance With Recipes with Medieval Variations". Translation by Susan Lord-Williams. fd-Iceland-msg Food of medieval Iceland. Recipes. fd-Morocco-msg Food of medieval Morocco. frittours-msg Period fried breaded foods. Recipes. frumenty-msg A period cooked grain dish, often barley. Oertha-hist-msg Histories of the Principality of Oertha. persona-msg Persona development. Ideas of Persona. Here are a few seasonal files that can be found in the Florilegium: Autmn-Holidys-art "Autumn Moons and Holidays" by THL Johnnae llyn Lewis. Halloween-art "Halloween, Medieval Style" by Lady Muireann ni Riordain (Jessica Wilbur). Halloween-lnks Links to Halloween and its origins by Dame Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon. --- Copyright 2008, Mark S. Harris. Permission to reprint in SCA-related publications is hereby granted if the file descriptions are left unchanged. Removing any of the updated files listed in order to fit the article into limited publication space is allowed. The article introduction may also be edited, provided the web address and contact info are retained. -------- THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous at austin.rr.com **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org **** From miladybc at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 22:12:50 2008 From: miladybc at yahoo.com (Bee) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] OT: Volunteers needed Message-ID: <689184.77071.qm@web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fellow SCAdians, Amtgardians, Goths, & RenFaire Addicts! ? Help is needed! Attached to the rear side of our humble, 1960?s one story, 2-bedroom home is a small utility room that juts outside the back door. It is 7 feet off the ground and held?up on concrete cinder blocks and the Grace of God! The dimensions of this small ?room? is 7?x7?x 8? ? very small! It is breaking away from the main building due to years of weather, the constant heavy traffic on I64?uphill from the?house and the trains passing?across the street?day and night!? ? In?our home lives a blind, arthritically plagued elderly lady and a terminally ill, wheelchair-bound woman who cannot get out in case of an emergency, such as if the front door is blocked during a fire. After dismantling the room, we need your help in putting together a wooden plank deck in its place, building a ramp instead of stairs for the disabled live-ins to use to escape quickly. ? Your help and others who would volunteer would be welcomed the morning of Saturday, October 11th to?our home (directions below), beginning 10am SHARP. ? There will be ample water, iced tea with SPLENDA, fruit, food, shade, wet towels and encouragement for the participants. If anyone would like the still usable and in great condition external wooden door, wooden stairs, window, roofing (only 3 years old) ?or any of the reclaimed wood being dismantled they are welcome to haul away! ? DIRECTIONS (from Charleston, WV ): ? Take your best route to I64 heading towards Beckley, WV and get off the Marmet/Chesapeake exit. Make a LEFT off the ramp and head to stoplight ( MacCorkle Ave ). Take a RIGHT and you will pass Krogers. Once in Chesapeake , look for 119th Street and make a RIGHT. Go its end and make a LEFT onto Venable Avenue (no sign).?The house is?#11914, the 4th house on the left, next to a log house.? House colors are barn red with a green porch?with a deck out front. Tel is 949-3675. ? Please RSVP online at miladybc at yahoo.com by Friday, Oct 10, or call the telephone number above by the same date. ? God Bless, ? Basimahs Ullahkhan & Lord Brion Bearclaw ? ? From alaxandair at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 22:35:24 2008 From: alaxandair at gmail.com (Alaxandair O'Conchobhair) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:35:24 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall Crown - Thank You Message-ID: Greetings, I wish to take a moment to thank the following groups for their assistance in addition to the populace of Blackstone Mountain with Fall Crown, Port Oasis, Misty Highlands, and Sylvan Glen. These groups in addition to Blackstone Mountain made a donation of time and or resources that helped the event be the success I feel it was this weekend. Additionally their help allowed me the indulgence to photograph and share the event with those not in attendance. I also wish to THL Maria Christina de Cordoba for putting up with and not killing me, Lord Willem MacLear for providing me a degree a sanity and a brain the worked when mine wouldn't, those members of Blackstone Mountain who handled site setup Friday evening when my work schedule delayed my arrival, Lady Erzebet for her service as head cook, Master Robert the Grey for overnight security, Baroness Gwyneth Olafsdottir and Rowan le Beau for Troll, Lady Bera the Blessed and Lord Dagr Snaebjorn Bjarnarson and Lord Bjorn bunhauss Olafsson for all things scullery. Furthermore, I thank all of you who attended Fall Crown, from those whom this may have been their first event, the populace of Region 1, the Kingdom Officers and combatants. In the end without your attendance and assistance the event would not have been the event it was. THL Alaxandair O'Conchobhair From jennamacpherson at msn.com Mon Oct 6 23:15:19 2008 From: jennamacpherson at msn.com (Carole Goranson) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:15:19 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Youth Combat Musters Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- Greetings from Jenna MacPherson, AEthelmearc Youth combat marshal, After contacts with various people i am glad to announce two upcoming youth combat training musters. the first will be held at harvest raid on october 11. this will be my first event since stepping into the position and i look forward to a large practice as well as meeting as many youth fighters and their parents as possible. i'd also like to meet any youth marshal's who might attend. the second will be held on sunday october 26. the day after the BMDL Agincourt event. Their Excellencies have graciously offered a portion of their regular practice site. and i am sure that any adult fighters that show up with their children will also find themselves with plenty to do. Watch online for more specific times and directions in the coming weeks and at the events. any groups or autocrats who wish to sponsor some space for the youth fighters should feel free to contact me for information and the marshal to contact in your area. in service jenna Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie From lefkowitzga at earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 00:10:08 2008 From: lefkowitzga at earthlink.net (Gail Lefkowitz) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:10:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token Message-ID: <14260036.1223352608923.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Orianna wrote: >The Gage came about because I was tired of the proliferation of >"danglies" - every award had to have a badge that got put on a string >around someone's neck. My idea (which unfortunately has never been >properly implemented) was that the members of the Gage would be given a >pair of black gauntlets or gloves with the escarbuncle embroidered on >them. Very similar to the East Kingdom Queen's Order of Courtesy which >is a white glove embroidered with a blue rose. > >Some day, when I win the lottery, I would love to make every member of >the gage a pair of black leather gloves with a white escarbuncle on the >right one. Making Gage gloves was always an interest of mine as well, Orianna. We should get together sometime. For Gage gloves to be the intended token, it would be appropriate to change the heraldic blazon registered with the College of Arms. As currently listed, the escarbuncle is on the palm of the glove, not the back where such symbols are most commonly found. If the Royalty, the AEthelmearc College of Arms, and/or the Order so choose, I am told it would not be too difficult to resubmit with a "glove reversed." There *are* gloves with symbols on the palm, but they are usually ecclesiastical, and often cloth instead of leather. Ts'vee'a From artsybarb2000 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 01:51:08 2008 From: artsybarb2000 at yahoo.com (barb) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: <14260036.1223352608923.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Huzzah!? More glove-making opportunity...I`d contribute as well....having had some experience with making gloves... Does anyone have an accurate count as to how many Gage awards that would be? *wow* -Barbary Rose- --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Gail Lefkowitz wrote: From: Gail Lefkowitz Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Gage token To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 12:10 AM Orianna wrote: >The Gage came about because I was tired of the proliferation of >"danglies" - every award had to have a badge that got put on a string >around someone's neck. My idea (which unfortunately has never been >properly implemented) was that the members of the Gage would be given a >pair of black gauntlets or gloves with the escarbuncle embroidered on >them. Very similar to the East Kingdom Queen's Order of Courtesy which >is a white glove embroidered with a blue rose. > >Some day, when I win the lottery, I would love to make every member of >the gage a pair of black leather gloves with a white escarbuncle on the >right one. Making Gage gloves was always an interest of mine as well, Orianna. We should get together sometime. For Gage gloves to be the intended token, it would be appropriate to change the heraldic blazon registered with the College of Arms. As currently listed, the escarbuncle is on the palm of the glove, not the back where such symbols are most commonly found. If the Royalty, the AEthelmearc College of Arms, and/or the Order so choose, I am told it would not be too difficult to resubmit with a "glove reversed." There *are* gloves with symbols on the palm, but they are usually ecclesiastical, and often cloth instead of leather. Ts'vee'a _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From thegeorg at stny.rr.com Tue Oct 7 02:00:36 2008 From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:00:36 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> barb wrote: > Huzzah! More glove-making opportunity...I`d contribute as well....having had some experience with making gloves... > Does anyone have an accurate count as to how many Gage awards that would be? > *wow* According to the Order of Precedence, there are 50 gentles in the order, but a few have since moved out of kingdom. They tend to add 2-4 per reign. -george From havocthewild at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 02:45:51 2008 From: havocthewild at hotmail.com (William F Stamm Jr) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 02:45:51 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: The current count is 52, but then again, some no longer reside within the kingdom. Havoc _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com Tue Oct 7 06:37:48 2008 From: olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com (Richard Reichert) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:37:48 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: As a fairly new member of the order, I have taken to wearing a black leather glove with a golden escarbuncle that I painted onto it. The stitching idea needs practice first. I did however paint it on the back of the glove. I was unaware of the application of the symbol on the palm. Olafr On Oct 7, 2008, at 2:45 AM, William F Stamm Jr wrote: > > The current count is 52, but then again, some no longer reside > within the kingdom. > > Havoc > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or > on the go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From salley at galileo.canisius.edu Tue Oct 7 10:44:03 2008 From: salley at galileo.canisius.edu (David Salley) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:44:03 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiosity Message-ID: <200810071444.m97Ei35F013106@galileo.canisius.edu> > Hello, > The dangly appears to have gone out of style again. When I recieved my > Troubadour from TRM Thorson and Svava, I got a cup. I have not seen > anyone get a "badge" in the time I was attending Court. > Mahin Vivat! -- Dagonell, Companion of the Troubadour From cfattman at imap.pitt.edu Tue Oct 7 11:52:05 2008 From: cfattman at imap.pitt.edu (Cheryl L. Fattman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:52:05 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Known World Cooks & Bards - official announcement Message-ID: <48EB85A5.9080107@imap.pitt.edu> Greetings, all, from the autocrat and staff of the upcoming Fifth Known World Bardic Congress and Cooks Collegium! Below are supplemental announcements related to the event. We hope that you will forward this message far and wide, so that it will be of best service to all who may benefit. MARK THE DATE! November 7-10, 2008 at Crestfield Camp & Conference Center, Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania (15 minutes from Cooper's Lake). Updated announcements and class listings will be posted on our web page, www.cooksandbards.aethelmearc.org. RESERVATIONS. There is still ample cabin and feast space available, and we will continue to accept pre-registrations (based on postmark) until October 31. See the event web page for details. CALL FOR TEACHERS. We still have room for additional classes. Even if you are not yet sure that you want to offer a class, let us know what you might like to teach, and also let us know of any help you might need to make it possible (e.g., co-teachers, equipment, a kitchen or propane stove). Also, feel free to suggest that class that you always wanted to take! ALTERNATIVE ACCOMMODATIONS. The event does not permit tent camping, and the township does not permit sleeping in vehicles, but if you are unable to afford cabin spaces and would like to attend the event, let us know and we will try to find you crash space near the site. Please specify the number of crashers, smoking preference and any pet allergies. If you require handicapped accommodations on site, we ask that you send us your reservation early so that we may guarantee appropriate arrangements. CABINS/BATHROOMS. The brochure says that the cabins will have bathrooms. Unfortunately, we recently learned that the site did not get the funding they expected, and they never installed them. The good news is, each cluster of three cabins has its own heated bathhouse (with sinks, showers and plenty of flushies!) within a stone's throw. The bunk beds in the cabins have unsheeted mattresses, but you will need to bring pillows, blankets and any additional bedding necessary for your comfort. ALCOHOL. The site will be "discreetly damp." Period containers, no kegs, and we request that you pack your empties. Common sense applies, please: becoming drunk and disorderly will be cause for removal from the site. MERCHANTS. Merchants are welcome at Cooks & Bards at no extra fee! Please contact our merchant liaison at kwcb-merchants at andrew-dot-cmu-dot-edu. Non-merchants with items to sell are welcome to do so informally, and a table will be provided where you may place a sample of your wares (at your own risk) along with personal information (such as a photo) that will enable your customers to identify you on site. PROCEEDINGS. * DEADLINE EXTENDED to October 17th * Even if you do not intend to teach, consider submitting articles, recipes or stand-alone class handouts for inclusion in the event proceedings, to kwcb-proceedings at andrew-dot-cmu-dot-edu. QUESTIONS. Ask 'em! We aim to please. kwcb-info at andrew-dot-cmu-dot-edu. JOIN US! And let the fun begin. ________________________________________________________________________ From cfattman at imap.pitt.edu Tue Oct 7 11:52:05 2008 From: cfattman at imap.pitt.edu (Cheryl L. Fattman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:52:05 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Known World Cooks & Bards - official announcement Message-ID: <48EB85A5.9080107@imap.pitt.edu> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings, all, from the autocrat and staff of the upcoming Fifth Known World Bardic Congress and Cooks Collegium! Below are supplemental announcements related to the event. We hope that you will forward this message far and wide, so that it will be of best service to all who may benefit. MARK THE DATE! November 7-10, 2008 at Crestfield Camp & Conference Center, Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania (15 minutes from Cooper's Lake). Updated announcements and class listings will be posted on our web page, www.cooksandbards.aethelmearc.org. RESERVATIONS. There is still ample cabin and feast space available, and we will continue to accept pre-registrations (based on postmark) until October 31. See the event web page for details. CALL FOR TEACHERS. We still have room for additional classes. Even if you are not yet sure that you want to offer a class, let us know what you might like to teach, and also let us know of any help you might need to make it possible (e.g., co-teachers, equipment, a kitchen or propane stove). Also, feel free to suggest that class that you always wanted to take! ALTERNATIVE ACCOMMODATIONS. The event does not permit tent camping, and the township does not permit sleeping in vehicles, but if you are unable to afford cabin spaces and would like to attend the event, let us know and we will try to find you crash space near the site. Please specify the number of crashers, smoking preference and any pet allergies. If you require handicapped accommodations on site, we ask that you send us your reservation early so that we may guarantee appropriate arrangements. CABINS/BATHROOMS. The brochure says that the cabins will have bathrooms. Unfortunately, we recently learned that the site did not get the funding they expected, and they never installed them. The good news is, each cluster of three cabins has its own heated bathhouse (with sinks, showers and plenty of flushies!) within a stone's throw. The bunk beds in the cabins have unsheeted mattresses, but you will need to bring pillows, blankets and any additional bedding necessary for your comfort. ALCOHOL. The site will be "discreetly damp." Period containers, no kegs, and we request that you pack your empties. Common sense applies, please: becoming drunk and disorderly will be cause for removal from the site. MERCHANTS. Merchants are welcome at Cooks & Bards at no extra fee! Please contact our merchant liaison at kwcb-merchants at andrew-dot-cmu-dot-edu. Non-merchants with items to sell are welcome to do so informally, and a table will be provided where you may place a sample of your wares (at your own risk) along with personal information (such as a photo) that will enable your customers to identify you on site. PROCEEDINGS. * DEADLINE EXTENDED to October 17th * Even if you do not intend to teach, consider submitting articles, recipes or stand-alone class handouts for inclusion in the event proceedings, to kwcb-proceedings at andrew-dot-cmu-dot-edu. QUESTIONS. Ask 'em! We aim to please. kwcb-info at andrew-dot-cmu-dot-edu. JOIN US! And let the fun begin. ________________________________________________________________________ From glaiveman42 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 15:44:47 2008 From: glaiveman42 at yahoo.com (Michael) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:44:47 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Kingdom Heavy Weapons Champion Tournament at Harvest Raid Message-ID: Greeting fighters of AEthelmearc, I have been asked by Their Majesties to organize the Kingdom Heavy Weapons Champion tournament at Harvest Raid. A while back His Majesty talked to Duke Morguhn, the current Champion. His Grace Morguhn suggested that they run a random weapons tourney to decide the next Champion of AEthelmearc. Please bring all your weapons and your gauntlets and be ready for anything. Specifics will be decided based on the number of fighters in the tournament. Some loner weapons will be made available. All fighters are encouraged to compete. Modifications will be made if a fighter is not authorized in a specific weapons form. In service to the Crown, Prince Maynard From clannscot at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 18:10:44 2008 From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:10:44 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: Amethyst Invitational Tourney In-Reply-To: <91bbad700810071507v8e2d063ob26f0f820f79413d@mail.gmail.com> References: <91bbad700810071507v8e2d063ob26f0f820f79413d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:07:59 -0400From: lordarddenn at gmail.comTo: clannscot at hotmail.comSubject: Amethyst Invitational Tourney As it once was, so it shall be again. Once there were Glorious Tournaments whereupon one and all gathered and took witness of the sword clash upon a noble list. It is in that spirit that we wish to make known of a great Emprise where all fighters and non fighters may pay witness to the great acts of prowess and renown. It is upon the first day of November in the borders of the Debatable Lands in our Glorious Kingdom of Aethelmearc that the Amethyst Invitational Tourney will have a call to arms to all Knights, Esquires, and gallant men and women of arms throughout the Kingdom to perform chivalrous deeds of prowess and courtesy. Throughout the year a hawks eye has been sent to distribute to those showing such deeds a docket to 32 good gentles to assemble on this day to compete in a grand tourney patterned after the great tourney of renown of the 15th century. Upon this day bearers of these dockets shall present themselves to the master of the lists and place their helm upon the rail for inspection and inclusion. We would make the call to warriors and gentle-folk alike, all are most welcome and encouraged to attend and share in the majesty. Also that we would add that it is meet and right that should you see acts of renown that so move your spirit that they be rewarded with tokens of esteem. With that being said we encourage the populacee to bring some manner of object or item to bestow these honors and thanks to worthy deeds witnessed. Display is the order of the day. Bring your banners, standards, and the like to be added to the atmosphere of the day. Come out one and all to cheer on these fighters who worked so hard to earn their entrance upon the Rolls of Honor this day. All gentles under 18 are free.Reservations may be made to Renata L'Rouge at 109 Kathleen Street Pittsburgh, PA 15211. She can be contacted with questions @ ladtren at gmail.com or 724-771-7090. The Autocrat is Duke Malcolm, and he can be reached at syrmalcolm at comcast.net. More info on the day can be viewed at www.clanoldcastle.com/amethyst.htm including the current list of known Entrants. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From bataarsogdo at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 18:46:03 2008 From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com (ron kummer) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:46:03 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Duncan Von Hollstern Message-ID: Could His Excellency Duncan please contact me off list. It is about the Amethyst Tournament. Thank You, Bataar bataarsogdo at hotmail.com "When an archer is shooting for nothing he has all his skill. If he shoots for a brass buckle he is already nervous. If he shoots for a prize of gold he goes blind or sees two targets - he is out of his mind. His skill has not changed. But the prize divides him. He cares. He thinks more of winning than of shooting - and the need to win drains him of his power." Chuang Tzu _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From bataarsogdo at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 18:52:44 2008 From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com (ron kummer) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:52:44 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Amethyst Tounament Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Amethyst Invitational Tourney November 1, 2008, Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands (Pittsburgh, PA.) Unto all good gentles of Noble Aethelmearc, from Syr Malcolm, Duke Prydeskeep, comes greetings and warm wishes. >From a great desire to become acquainted with and witness to acts of great Prowess and renown, let be called throughout the Sovereign Lands of Aethelmearc and all her neighbors that there is to be held a great Emprise upon the first day of November, Anno Societatis Forty Three. Wherein do we propose to challenge all Good Knights, esquires and gallant men and women of Arms, that they may seek throughout the Kingdom of Aethelmearc to perform chivalrous deeds of Prowess and Courtesy, and by so doing earn through their exemplary skill a Docket of Invitation to The Amethyst Invitational Tourney, a competition to be held in the manner and spirit of the great Tourneys of Renown of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries. Invitations have been carried throughout the land, far and wide. In all, our Heralds have supplied unto the populace Thirty two of these invitations, and thus shall The Emprise have exactly that many entrants. Upon the glorious day, where all Honor will be made to Crown and Country, the bearers of these invitations shall be permitted to present their dockets to the Master of the Lists, and have their helm entered upon the Rail for inspection and inclusion. There after, having had full inspection of armor and presence, and binding by oath to do all good combat and bring no malice unto the List of Glory, shall the entrants prepare for a double elimination tourney in the a-outrance style, wherein a single telling blow shall determine the victor and vanquished for the bouts. We do encourage all who would partake of the Glory of Chivalric Combat and Prowess; do attend upon these valiant Combatants, sharing a day of Honor, Pageantry, Fellowship and Courtesy. Refreshments are the course of Hospitality and will be provided throughout the day. Please do bring all manner of Banners and heraldic display, and we do greatly encourage the populace to come and fill the gallery with cheer and enthusiasm for the skill and enterprise of these worthy entrants. We would note that it is meet and right that should we see acts of Renown that they be rewarded with tokens of esteem. Thus do we also encourage the populace to bring some manner of object or item with which you can bestow these honors and thanks. We look forward to seeing all upon this day of Honor! The fee for the day is $8 for all adults which include the dayboard. All individuals under the age of 18 will be admitted for free. Note that the $3 NMS fee shall be collected where applicable. Please make checks payable to SCA, Inc - BMDL. The site opens at 10 am and closes at 9 pm. Reservations are being taken by Lady Renata L'Rouge, mka Karen Finnemore at 109 Kathleen St, Pittsburgh, Pa, 15211. She may be reached by email at ladyren *at* gmail.com or via phone at 724-771-7090. Any questions may also be directed to the Autocrat, Duke Malcolm (Preston Williams, 109 Kathleen St, Pittsburgh, Pa, 15211) at syrmalcolm *at* comcast.net or via phone at 412-606-4104. More information may also be found on the events website: http://www.clanoldcastle.com/amethyst.htm. DIRECTIONS: The event site is at the Dorseyville Fire Hall located at 100 Charles St, Pittsburgh, PA, 15238. From the South, Follow I-79 toward Pittsburgh. Take exit 59A to merge onto I-279, and follow for 7.2 miles. Take exit 7C to merge onto Rt. 28 N toward Etna/Chestnut St./E Ohio St. Follow 28 N for 4.7 miles to exit 5B, Rt. PA-8 N. (this is a LEFT Exit) toward Butler. After 1.4 miles, turn right onto Saxonburg Rd., and follow from ** below. >From the North, Follow your best path to Rt. 8. Following highways take I-79 S and get onto Rt. 76 E (Pennsylvania Turnpike). Get off onto Rt. 8 S at exit 39. Follow Rt. 8 South for 7.7 miles to the intersection of Saxonburg Rd and Rt. 8. Turn left onto Saxonburg Rd and follow from ** below. From the West and East, either follow the Turnpike to exit 39 or make your way I-79 and follow from above. **The road forks immediately after the turn, bear to the left to stay on Saxonburg Rd. Dorseyville firehall is on the corner of Saxonburg and Charles St, about 6 miles after the turn off of Rt. 8. Parking is in the rear. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From clannscot at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 19:48:12 2008 From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:48:12 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: Menu In-Reply-To: <91bbad700810071619n78fa6841kf3aa8eb20b28cb44@mail.gmail.com> References: <91bbad700810071619n78fa6841kf3aa8eb20b28cb44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Amethyst Tourney Sideboard Menu First RepastButtermilk Biscuits with round cut bacon, eggs and cheeseFlat fried cakes from the panPuffed balls of fried dough rolled in cinnamon and sugarBasket of Spiced Cakes and Fruited Bread Wine JellySyrup of Maple Trees Second RepastSoup made from Gourds, Apples, Onions and Bacon Cheese Soup with flowered Vegetables Soup of Mashed Peas Broth of Strong Bones and Root Vegetables Roast Breast of Turkey Slices with GravyFinely Sliced Roasted BeefHerb Skewered Grilled Breast of Fowl Bread with Beer, Bacon and CheddarHearty White BreadWine JellySoured dill PicklesMolded Belgian Chocolates Third Repast Long Loaves of Bread stuffed with Sliced Ham, Cheese and lettucesGrilled Legs of Fowl with garden spicesGrilled Cheese on Sliced BreadFreshly Baked PretzelsPastry Encrusted Grapes and Apples Black Raspberry CobblerPeach Shortcake Ginger Cookies Chocolate Chip Cookies Current English Translation First RepastButtermilk baking Powder Biscuits Canadian Bacon, Scrambled Eggs, CheesePancakesDrop Doughnuts rolled in cinnamon and sugar Jelly made from two winesCoffee cake, Blueberry Crumb Cake, Banana Bread, Cranberry bread Second Repast Butternut Squash SoupBroccoli, Carrot, Cauliflower CheddarSplit Pea with carrots, no meat Venison Beef Vegetable SoupSliced Roast Turkey Breast with gravy on the sideSliced Sirloin Tip Beef RoastChicken breast sliced then on skewers, dry rub of spices then grilled Dill PicklesBacon Beer Cheddar BreadWhite breadBelgian Chocolate blended and specially molded into bite size novelties Third RepastHam and Cheese SubsGrilled Chicken Legs dry rub Grilled Cheese sandwichesApple Pies, both Dutch and two crustGrape Pies _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From clannscot at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 19:50:17 2008 From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:50:17 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Reservation Clerk contact info!!! In-Reply-To: <91bbad700810071619n78fa6841kf3aa8eb20b28cb44@mail.gmail.com> References: <91bbad700810071619n78fa6841kf3aa8eb20b28cb44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The e-mail contact for the Reservations clerk for the Amethyst Invitational Tourney is actually ladyren at gmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From matildabosvyle at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 20:32:56 2008 From: matildabosvyle at gmail.com (Matilda) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:32:56 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] =?windows-1252?q?ANNOUNCE=3A_Court_report_of_TRM=92s_Chr?= =?windows-1252?q?istopher_=26_Morgen_from_Fall_Crown_Tournament?= Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Court report of TRM's Christopher & Morgen from Fall Crown Tournament on October 4th A.S. 43 held in the Barony of Blackstone Mountain in the presence of TRH's Maynard & Liadain and Their Excellencies Tomas & Rowan, as reported by THL Matilda Bosvyle de Bela Acqua, Silver Buccle, with the assistance of Lord Malcolm fitzWilliam. Their Majesties invited the Ladies of the Rose and Garnet into the Court. Their Excellencies announced that, unanimously, they would have liked to award the Shield of Chivalry to His Grace, Duke Morguhn Sheriden, for his many years of dedicated service and outstanding example of chivalry; but given as that was no longer possible, there was one gentle whose manners and prowess upon the field impressed them that day. THLord Thorgrim Skullsplitter was asked to take up the burden of the Shield and join Their Majesties retinue. Baroness Marguerite de la Marche came forward to announce the winning number of the basket raffle to raise funds for Their Graces, Rowan and Meirwen. Prizes were donated by several household and individuals. She thanked the populace in attendance for their generosity in support of these Ladies, who have given such tremendous service to the Kingdom for many years. Their Majesties presented gifts of brightly colored silk to Baroness Aleea Baga and Sir Magariki Katsuichi no Koredono as thanks for their time and talents in creating Their Majesty's Coronation clothing. Lady Ezrabet Fauconneau was awarded the Order of the Keystone for her many services as water bearer, MOL and cook (scroll illum by Rota Egilsdottir, calig by Bjorn bunhauss Olafsson). Lord Gareth Kincaid was granted entry to the Order of the Gage for skill at heavy combat and service as a marshal. He was most heartily greeted by his new companions (scroll by Renata Rouge called the Posh Rot). Her Ladyship, Juliana Delamare, was summoned by Their Majesties so that They might admire her workmanship in all things intricately woven that did grace her clothing and person. Having noted her talent thusly, Their Majesties explained that there was a group of people who had likewise expressed admiration for her skill. Their Majesties called Their Order of the Laurel and issued such Writ for her Ladyship to take the council of the esteemed Order and return to Their presence at a later time (yet to be negotiated) to answer if she will accept an elevation in rank to said Order (scroll by Giana di Aurelio, cord and seal by Aiden ni Leir). Court was closed. From alheydis at frodelius.com Tue Oct 7 22:38:05 2008 From: alheydis at frodelius.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Alheydis_von_K=F6rckhingen?=) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:38:05 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <48EC1D0D.101@frodelius.com> The EMblazon (the drawn picture) is what is registered with the College of Arms, rather than the blazon (the description of the picture). Assuming that the original submission form for the Order of the Gage shows the escarbuncle on the back of the gauntlet, then that is where is should be placed. If there is a discrepancy between the blazon and the emblazon, it is a simple matter to adjust the blazon to specify that the escarbuncle be depicted on the back of the gauntlet. Even such mundane heraldic resources as Parker show examples of a heraldic gauntlet both with the palm facing out, and the back facing out. In Parker, at least, it appears to be artistic license. That said, specificity is never a bad thing in heraldry. I will see what we can do to make the blazon more accurately describe the registered emblazon. Cheers! Alheydis Richard Reichert wrote: > As a fairly new member of the order, I have taken to wearing a black > leather glove with a golden escarbuncle that I painted onto it. The > stitching idea needs practice first. I did however paint it on the > back of the glove. I was unaware of the application of the symbol on > the palm. > > Olafr > -- ============================================== Mistress Alheydis von K?rckhingen, OL Garnet Herald to the Kingdom of ?thelmearc Windmill Pursuivant to the Barony of Delftwood From hraefnn at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 10:13:48 2008 From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] subscribing to the AEthelmearc scribes list Message-ID: <266924.59657.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, If you or someone you know is having trouble subscribing to the AEthelmearc scribes list, please contact me off list. I've recently received two garbled subscription requests. Both have been followed up by personal emails but I've received no response and fear that some scribes may be missing out on emailly goodness. Trying to discriminate against spammers not the spelling impaired, Hrefna aethelscribes moderator ---------------------------------------------------------- And this above all to thine own self be true. - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" From chatalot at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 18:24:38 2008 From: chatalot at verizon.net (chatalot at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:24:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiosity Message-ID: <7619170.6697761223504678748.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> I remember sitting in on some of the discussions when the Principality was being formed, and Sir Andreas Hak making negative remarks about more "danglies". I spoke up and said that it was fine for someone of his ilk to disparage more trinkets, but there were a lot of little people like me who wouldn't mind being able to get one once in a while. Did I make a mistake? Fionnghuala On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:36 AM, David Salley wrote: > "The Gage came about because I was tired of the proliferation of "danglies" - every award had to have a badge that got put on a string around someone's neck." -- Orianna Unfortunately, that's what it will gravitate to.? For decades, the East Kingdom Order of the Troubadour didn't have a badge.? The recipient got a tankard or goblet from TRM.? However, a certain gentle with Merit Badge Syndrome had his wife embroider all his awards.? For the Troubadour, she used an inverted goblet leaking a drop of wine.? Now, people think that's the official badge of the order.? It's not.? There isn't one.? But bards in the East today get a dangly. -- Dagonell _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org ? ?to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org ? ?. Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc ? ?for: ?more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Wed Oct 8 18:46:23 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:46:23 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fwd: Visit to Aethelmearc References: <2021.137.122.48.43.1223494354.squirrel@webmail02.uottawa.ca> Message-ID: Hi I'm forwarding this for Mistress TSivia from Ealdormere. She'll be in the Utica/Ithaca area the weekend of the 18th & is seeking crash space. I hope someone in the Delftwood/Coppertree/Myrkfaellin area can help her out, please. In service, FRIDRIKR Begin forwarded message: > From: tsivia at uottawa.ca > Date: October 8, 2008 3:32:34 PM EDT > To: "Thomas Ireland-Delfs" > Subject: Visit to Aethelmearc > > Hi Fridrikr! > > As it turns out, my visit to Utica coincides with the event in > Myrkfallen > and as it's only around a 2 hr drive or so I've emailed the autocrat > that > I'd like to a) attend, b) teach if they'd like that and c) > appreciate Sat > night crash space. > > Dunno if you were planning on attending but I'll hopefully be > attending. > My travel-friend can't come to Utica this time, so being all on my own > (she usually comes to do shopping with me) I can do this . > She's not SCA. > > So if you wouldn't mind emailing the kingdom list and tell them that I > will be in UTICA all day/evening Friday and am willing to visit with > folks, teach a class, whatever, Fri night... > > OR if they can find me crash Fri AND Sat nights in ITHACA then I'll > give > up the cost of the expensive hotel room Friday and come to ITHACA if > they'd prefer. > > They can email me at > tsivia-at-uottawa-dot-ca. > > <> > OH I LOVE attending events in other Kingdoms!! And a Norse themed > event at > that..>WAY COOL!!! > > > Thanks! > TSivia > From grm at andrew.cmu.edu Wed Oct 8 19:41:48 2008 From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:41:48 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Just out of curiosity In-Reply-To: <7619170.6697761223504678748.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <7619170.6697761223504678748.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: --On Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:24 PM -0500 chatalot at verizon.net wrote: > I remember sitting in on some of the discussions when the Principality > was being formed, and Sir Andreas Hak making negative remarks about more > "danglies". I spoke up and said that it was fine for someone of his ilk > to disparage more trinkets, but there were a lot of little people like > me who wouldn't mind being able to get one once in a while. Did I make > a mistake? Hi Fionnghuala, I think there are two different meanings of "danglies" here. Sir Andreas Hak making negative remarks about more > "danglies" In this context "danglies" refers to the awards themselves "The Gage came about because I was tired of the proliferation of "danglies" - every award had to have a badge that got put on a string around someone's neck." -- Orianna In this context, "danglies" clearly refers to the associated order regalia -- the badges on strings. I think the principality awards were just about right -- not to many, not too few -- so I would have to agree with your sentiment. On the other hand, I also agree with Orianna's sentiment; if would be nice for the orders to have more period style regalia, and not just the round dohicky on a string with something painted on it. (Not that I have the time and energy to supply said more period style regalia, but it's fun to grump on occasion) toodles, margaret From shuurag at verizon.net Wed Oct 8 19:24:22 2008 From: shuurag at verizon.net (shuurag) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:24:22 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] A request from Khalek Message-ID: Greetings to all in and of the Great Sylvan Kingdom of Aethelmearc from Sir Khalek, My humblest apologies for the bandwidth, but I am seeking any and all video footage from the past year from events, courts, battles, etc... that Her Excellency Branwyn and I were at, in order to better complete a project that I am working on. If you have any footage that you would be willing to share, please contact me offlist. Many thanks, Sir Khalek Erte Khan shuurag at verizon.net From alanafiona at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 23:39:56 2008 From: alanafiona at gmail.com (Marybeth Griffin) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:39:56 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: <48EC1D0D.101@frodelius.com> References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> <48EC1D0D.101@frodelius.com> Message-ID: <7323ed070810082039n30b46bd1y6c9cc8f4e49f5900@mail.gmail.com> The actual passed blazon for the Order is: ?thelmearc, Kingdom of * The following badge associated with this name was registered in June of 1998 (via AEthelmearc): (Fieldless) On a gauntlet sable, an escarbuncle Or. Shauna was kind enough to send me a scan of the submitted emblazon, which can be seen at: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~griffin/gage.jpg Because of the precedent that says you cannot heraldically tell a right hand/glove from a left very easily, all we need to do is submit a request to change the wording to make this visual image be a left glove facing away from us, so the escarbuncle is on the back instead of the palm. The new blazon would be: (Fieldless) On a gauntlet sinister adversant sable, an escarbuncle Or. The only question then is do folks have a problem with putting the escarbuncle on the back of the left glove, or do we really care that much, and we'll just put them on whichever one we feel like? Or both, even? :) Alana p.s. Assuming this should happen, someone will have to fill out the form and sign it and I think there's a fee? I don't take money, so I'm not sure. From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Thu Oct 9 06:05:23 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:05:23 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: <7323ed070810082039n30b46bd1y6c9cc8f4e49f5900@mail.gmail.com> References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> <48EC1D0D.101@frodelius.com> <7323ed070810082039n30b46bd1y6c9cc8f4e49f5900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Why all the worry about whether the physical gauntlet, the token, matches the blazon? Just make the right hand gage with the escarbuncle on the back. As to designating sinister v dexter in the blazon... as there is no difference accorded for left v right (or back v palm, for that matter), leave it as it is & make it well known within our realm that the token is a right hand black leather gage with a gold escarbuncle on the back. FRIDRIKR inn gamli, Keystone Herald On Oct 8, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Marybeth Griffin wrote: > The actual passed blazon for the Order is: > > ?thelmearc, Kingdom of > > * The following badge associated with this name was registered in > June of 1998 (via AEthelmearc): > (Fieldless) On a gauntlet sable, an escarbuncle Or. > > Shauna was kind enough to send me a scan of the submitted emblazon, > which can be seen at: > http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~griffin/gage.jpg > > Because of the precedent that says you cannot heraldically tell a > right hand/glove from a left very easily, all we need to do is submit > a request to change the wording to make this visual image be a left > glove facing away from us, so the escarbuncle is on the back instead > of the palm. The new blazon would be: > > (Fieldless) On a gauntlet sinister adversant sable, an escarbuncle Or. > > The only question then is do folks have a problem with putting the > escarbuncle on the back of the left glove, or do we really care that > much, and we'll just put them on whichever one we feel like? Or both, > even? > > :) > > Alana > p.s. Assuming this should happen, someone will have to fill out the > form and sign it and I think there's a fee? I don't take money, so I'm > not sure. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com Thu Oct 9 09:01:12 2008 From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com (dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:01:12 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Harvest Raid Schedule Message-ID: Here is the schedule for Harvest Raid. As always, we will be somewhat flexible around weather and the needs of the Crown. Please let me know if there are questions. FRIDAY 5:00 PM Gate opens SATURDAY 8:00 AM Approx start time for breakfast 9:30 AM Breakfast ends 10:00 AM Archery range opens Thrown weapons range opens 10:30 AM Rapier List opens 11:00 AM Rapier bear pit tourney begins Heavy weapons list opens A&S competition entries are accepted 11:30 AM Heavy weapons tourney begins 12:00 Noon Lunch served in Main Hall Deadline for A&S entries, voting begins 12:30 PM Sign in for youth boffer activities White Scarf Meeting (unless moved to 1:00) 1:00 PM Lunch closes in the Hall Youth boffer practice begins White Scarf Meeting (unless it was held at 12:30) 2:00 PM Final rounds of Thrown Weapons, Rattan and Archery Championships are held at TRM?s Pleasure. Puppet show held in Heron Manor (Redeemer Lodge). 3:00 PM Gate closes and reservations not picked up will be SOLD 4:45 PM Last votes for A&S competition 5:00 PM Court of TRM Christopher and Morgen 6:30 PM Feast SUNDAY 8:00 AM Approx start time for breakfast 9:00 AM Curia of TRM Christopher and Morgen 12 Noon Honored Guests depart 12:01 PM Site Clean up begins. From alanafiona at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 10:18:29 2008 From: alanafiona at gmail.com (Marybeth Griffin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:18:29 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> <48EC1D0D.101@frodelius.com> <7323ed070810082039n30b46bd1y6c9cc8f4e49f5900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7323ed070810090718k12ee54ffx7482ff7dc62eda22@mail.gmail.com> On 10/9/08, Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: > Why all the worry about whether the physical gauntlet, the token, > matches the blazon? Just make the right hand gage with the > escarbuncle on the back. As to designating sinister v dexter in the > blazon... as there is no difference accorded for left v right (or back > v palm, for that matter), leave it as it is & make it well known > within our realm that the token is a right hand black leather gage > with a gold escarbuncle on the back. > > FRIDRIKR inn gamli, Keystone Herald People asked if it was on the back or the front, so I thought I'd find out what we had actually passed. And the specifics where it says that there's no difference between a left vs right actually is only relative to how the hand is viewed - so your right hand palm up has the same shape as your left hand palm down, and in that particular case, there's no difference in heraldry. A right palm up and a left palm up *are* different, because the orientation of the thumb makes a difference. As the discussion said to put the token on the back, that would mean saying instead it was the left hand, back facing. I'm not wedded to the idea, I figured it would be both illuminating and helpful if Someone In Charge actually wanted to change the registered blazon ;) Isn't heraldry fun? Alana From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Thu Oct 9 10:35:13 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (fridrikr at rochester.rr.com) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:35:13 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token Message-ID: <10404369.1054431223562914039.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z02> I dunno.... after 33 years of it..... sometimes..... FRIDRIKR inn gamli "badges? we don't need no steeenking badges" -- Blazing Saddles ---- Marybeth Griffin wrote: > On 10/9/08, Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: > > Why all the worry about whether the physical gauntlet, the token, > > matches the blazon? Just make the right hand gage with the > > escarbuncle on the back. As to designating sinister v dexter in the > > blazon... as there is no difference accorded for left v right (or back > > v palm, for that matter), leave it as it is & make it well known > > within our realm that the token is a right hand black leather gage > > with a gold escarbuncle on the back. > > > > FRIDRIKR inn gamli, Keystone Herald > > People asked if it was on the back or the front, so I thought I'd find > out what we had actually passed. And the specifics where it says that > there's no difference between a left vs right actually is only > relative to how the hand is viewed - so your right hand palm up has > the same shape as your left hand palm down, and in that particular > case, there's no difference in heraldry. A right palm up and a left > palm up *are* different, because the orientation of the thumb makes a > difference. As the discussion said to put the token on the back, that > would mean saying instead it was the left hand, back facing. > > I'm not wedded to the idea, I figured it would be both illuminating > and helpful if Someone In Charge actually wanted to change the > registered blazon ;) > > Isn't heraldry fun? > > Alana > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Thu Oct 9 10:50:01 2008 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:50:01 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: <10404369.1054431223562914039.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z02> References: <10404369.1054431223562914039.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web23-z02> Message-ID: I will say that regardless of how it is blazoned and the blazon is interpreted, the original concept was the gold escarbuncle on the back of the right hand gauntlet. Orianna -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:35 AM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Gage token I dunno.... after 33 years of it..... sometimes..... FRIDRIKR inn gamli "badges? we don't need no steeenking badges" -- Blazing Saddles ---- Marybeth Griffin wrote: > On 10/9/08, Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: > > Why all the worry about whether the physical gauntlet, the token, > > matches the blazon? Just make the right hand gage with the > > escarbuncle on the back. As to designating sinister v dexter in the > > blazon... as there is no difference accorded for left v right (or back > > v palm, for that matter), leave it as it is & make it well known > > within our realm that the token is a right hand black leather gage > > with a gold escarbuncle on the back. > > > > FRIDRIKR inn gamli, Keystone Herald > > People asked if it was on the back or the front, so I thought I'd find > out what we had actually passed. And the specifics where it says that > there's no difference between a left vs right actually is only > relative to how the hand is viewed - so your right hand palm up has > the same shape as your left hand palm down, and in that particular > case, there's no difference in heraldry. A right palm up and a left > palm up *are* different, because the orientation of the thumb makes a > difference. As the discussion said to put the token on the back, that > would mean saying instead it was the left hand, back facing. > > I'm not wedded to the idea, I figured it would be both illuminating > and helpful if Someone In Charge actually wanted to change the > registered blazon ;) > > Isn't heraldry fun? > > Alana > ________________________________________________________________________ _ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > ________________________________________________________________________ _ ________________________________________________________________________ _ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. ________________________________________________________________________ _ From siraengus at zoominternet.net Thu Oct 9 15:35:49 2008 From: siraengus at zoominternet.net (Aengus) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:35:49 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? Message-ID: Greetings all! At Crown I had a taste of something called Sekanjabin. Now I have heard of this before, but I really enjoyed this drink. I contact Lady Erzebet (who made it at Crown) and she shared her recipe with me. I have since made it and it tastes heavenly. My questions are as follows; 1) Are there variations on the recipe? The one I got has sugar, wine vinegar, fresh mint and water. It is simmered and diluted at 1:10 with water. 2) Would period sugar vary greatly from what we call sugar today? And what is the closest substitute to period sugar? Thanks! Aengus MacBain From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com Thu Oct 9 16:41:50 2008 From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:41:50 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Zoe for Harvest Raid business Message-ID: <002701c92a4f$74ec5c80$6501a8c0@hppav> Zoe - I got your message but you read your phone number much too fast for me to catch it. I will be at the site tonight, but please call again and talk slower! Thank you. Dorinda From elady1 at suddenlink.net Thu Oct 9 17:20:07 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:20:07 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081009212010.BSCB28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> I think Period sugar wouldn't be as refined probably. More in the rough. As far as substitutes go, I don't know.... Honey maybe? I go the recipe off the Calontir list when I posted for help with it years ago and saved it. You might have some luck cross posting the request to other kingdom lists, brewers guilds, et al. to get any variations if there are any. I wondered about putting cardimon in there because that's such a wonderful spice and period as well. Just haven't gotten up the nerve to do that yet! Glad you liked is Sir Aengus! I truly am! Erzebet At 03:35 PM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >Greetings all! > >At Crown I had a taste of something called Sekanjabin. Now I have heard of >this before, but I really enjoyed this drink. I contact Lady Erzebet (who >made it at Crown) and she shared her recipe with me. I have since made it >and it tastes heavenly. > >My questions are as follows; >1) Are there variations on the recipe? The one I got has sugar, wine >vinegar, fresh mint and water. It is simmered and diluted at 1:10 with >water. > >2) Would period sugar vary greatly from what we call sugar today? And what >is the closest substitute to period sugar? > >Thanks! >Aengus MacBain > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >to the list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 17:55:34 2008 From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Harvest Raid Schedule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <580819.29581.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> And a reminder that His Excellency Vladisla Nikulich and I have issued a Challenge and will be standing the field Saturday from 10 am until Court. Our challenge will be stopped during Their Majesties Heavy Weapons Championship but will resume afterwards. A number of people have spoken of very creative ideas for challenges, we only ask one thing - though we have prepared to the best of our abilities to meet all challengers, if you have thought of a "unique" weapons form please try to bring 2 so we may face you. We have a WIDE variety of weapons that will be with us, but we fear we may not think of everything. The webmaster for Harvest Raid has generously posted our challenge on the event site, if anyone missed it or wants move details it can be read here http://www.heronter.org/Events/challenge.html Any questions please let us know. In service Will SKA William Freskyn Murray MKA Will Carson squire to Baron Sir Bedawyr of Avaricum foster squire to Viscount Syr Alexander Caithnes of Wyk Chieftain of the Tribe of Tuatha Firen Baron of the Court of Aethelmearc Father of Nicholas www.carsonsadopt.com --- On Thu, 10/9/08, dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com wrote: > From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com > Subject: [SCA-AE] Harvest Raid Schedule > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org, ae-fencing at lists.mv.net, steelbonnet at yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 9:01 AM > Here is the schedule for Harvest Raid. As always, we will > be somewhat > flexible around weather and the needs of the Crown. Please > let me know if > there are questions. > > > FRIDAY > > 5:00 PM Gate opens > > > SATURDAY > > 8:00 AM Approx start time for breakfast > > 9:30 AM Breakfast ends > > 10:00 AM Archery range opens > Thrown weapons range opens > > 10:30 AM Rapier List opens > > 11:00 AM Rapier bear pit tourney begins > Heavy weapons list opens > A&S competition entries are accepted > > 11:30 AM Heavy weapons tourney begins > > 12:00 Noon Lunch served in Main Hall > Deadline for A&S entries, voting begins > > 12:30 PM Sign in for youth boffer activities > White Scarf Meeting (unless moved to 1:00) > > 1:00 PM Lunch closes in the Hall > Youth boffer practice begins > White Scarf Meeting (unless it was held at > 12:30) > > 2:00 PM Final rounds of Thrown Weapons, Rattan and > Archery Championships are held at TRM?s > Pleasure. > > Puppet show held in Heron Manor (Redeemer > Lodge). > > > 3:00 PM Gate closes and reservations not picked up > will be SOLD > > > 4:45 PM Last votes for A&S competition > > 5:00 PM Court of TRM Christopher and Morgen > > 6:30 PM Feast > > > > > > SUNDAY > > 8:00 AM Approx start time for breakfast > > 9:00 AM Curia of TRM Christopher and Morgen > > 12 Noon Honored Guests depart > > 12:01 PM Site Clean up begins. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From skaplan418 at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 17:57:43 2008 From: skaplan418 at gmail.com (Selena Kaplan) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:57:43 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4357371a0810091457u3c140fc1p81b18a3df90913c0@mail.gmail.com> Hi Sir Aengus, I use the recipeI found on Cariodoc's website. His Grace's recipe is tasty and has several variations. It is at http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/drinks.html#2 Take care, Mahin Banu On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Aengus wrote: > Greetings all! > > At Crown I had a taste of something called Sekanjabin. Now I have heard of > this before, but I really enjoyed this drink. I contact Lady Erzebet (who > made it at Crown) and she shared her recipe with me. I have since made it > and it tastes heavenly. > > My questions are as follows; > 1) Are there variations on the recipe? The one I got has sugar, wine > vinegar, fresh mint and water. It is simmered and diluted at 1:10 with > water. > > 2) Would period sugar vary greatly from what we call sugar today? And what > is the closest substitute to period sugar? > > Thanks! > Aengus MacBain > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com Thu Oct 9 18:11:51 2008 From: olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com (Richard Reichert) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:11:51 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> <48EC1D0D.101@frodelius.com> <7323ed070810082039n30b46bd1y6c9cc8f4e49f5900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ...but I'm a lefty. Olafr On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: > Why all the worry about whether the physical gauntlet, the token, > matches the blazon? Just make the right hand gage with the > escarbuncle on the back. As to designating sinister v dexter in the > blazon... as there is no difference accorded for left v right (or back > v palm, for that matter), leave it as it is & make it well known > within our realm that the token is a right hand black leather gage > with a gold escarbuncle on the back. > > FRIDRIKR inn gamli, Keystone Herald > > On Oct 8, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Marybeth Griffin wrote: > >> The actual passed blazon for the Order is: >> >> ?thelmearc, Kingdom of >> >> * The following badge associated with this name was registered in >> June of 1998 (via AEthelmearc): >> (Fieldless) On a gauntlet sable, an escarbuncle Or. >> >> Shauna was kind enough to send me a scan of the submitted emblazon, >> which can be seen at: >> http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~griffin/gage.jpg >> >> Because of the precedent that says you cannot heraldically tell a >> right hand/glove from a left very easily, all we need to do is submit >> a request to change the wording to make this visual image be a left >> glove facing away from us, so the escarbuncle is on the back instead >> of the palm. The new blazon would be: >> >> (Fieldless) On a gauntlet sinister adversant sable, an escarbuncle >> Or. >> >> The only question then is do folks have a problem with putting the >> escarbuncle on the back of the left glove, or do we really care that >> much, and we'll just put them on whichever one we feel like? Or both, >> even? >> >> :) >> >> Alana >> p.s. Assuming this should happen, someone will have to fill out the >> form and sign it and I think there's a fee? I don't take money, so >> I'm >> not sure. >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >> to the list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >> for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From eldjarn_tt at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 19:20:36 2008 From: eldjarn_tt at yahoo.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:20:36 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Run a Google search on "cone sugar". Generally available in the 18th century, but info is available on processing dating to early 1600's China. The sugar would be slightly brown from the molasses and the name comes from the solid shape left from the draining procedure. I'm sure other could tell you more... :) --Eldjarn the Thoughtful --- In sca-aethelmearc at yahoogroups.com, "Aengus" wrote: > > 2) Would period sugar vary greatly from what we call sugar today? And what > is the closest substitute to period sugar? From alheydis at frodelius.com Thu Oct 9 19:26:47 2008 From: alheydis at frodelius.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alheydis_von_K=F6rckhingen?=) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:26:47 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Gage token In-Reply-To: <7323ed070810082039n30b46bd1y6c9cc8f4e49f5900@mail.gmail.com> References: <804922.76349.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48EAFB04.3010106@stny.rr.com> <48EC1D0D.101@frodelius.com> <7323ed070810082039n30b46bd1y6c9cc8f4e49f5900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EE9337.4090907@frodelius.com> Marybeth Griffin wrote: > p.s. Assuming this should happen, someone will have to fill out the > form and sign it and I think there's a fee? I don't take money, so I'm > not sure. > Hi! Your friendly Garnet Herald here. I missed some of the posts on this thread due to an ether outage for a few hours, but I get the gist of it all. As submissions herald, I can fill out any paper work to request a change of blazon. There is no fee due at kingdom, since the item is registered to the kingdom. I was cc'd a copy of the registered emblazon, and as you note, it is either a left gauntlet aversant or a right gauntlet a palmy - that is to say, the thumb faces to heraldic sinister (to the right, as you view it, in non-herald-speak). If we do not care to specify which interpretation is correct, we could blazon the charge as "a guantlet, thumb to sinister." If we care more about the escarbuncle being on the back of the gauntlet vs. the palm of the gauntlet than whether the gauntlet is a left- or right-gauntlet, then I suggest "a gauntlet aversant". If we care about both issues (or just to be super-specific) we should go with "a sinister guantlet aversant". If the overwhelming consensus is that we want to specify that the gauntlet be a right gauntlet with the escarbuncle on the back, then a redrawing would be necessary in order to put the thumb to dexter (non-herald-speak: to the left). Thoughts? Outbursts? Alheydis > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > -- ============================================== Mistress Alheydis von K?rckhingen, OL Garnet Herald to the Kingdom of ?thelmearc Windmill Pursuivant to the Barony of Delftwood From siraengus at zoominternet.net Thu Oct 9 19:42:04 2008 From: siraengus at zoominternet.net (Aengus) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:42:04 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: <4357371a0810091457u3c140fc1p81b18a3df90913c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the link. I believe this is where I saw it initaially a very long time ago. However the one with the sour vinegar and honey has me intrigued now. Aengus > Hi Sir Aengus, > > I use the recipeI found on Cariodoc's website. His Grace's recipe is > tasty and has several variations. > It is at http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/drinks.html#2 > > Take care, > > Mahin Banu From iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net Thu Oct 9 21:10:52 2008 From: iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net (Iain mac an Bhaird) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:10:52 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810100109.m9A19EBm019007@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> >1) Are there variations on the recipe? Sure. I've seen versions with mint (as you describe), lemon, rosehips, pomegranate, etc. This is one of those types of beverages that you can modify and experiment with to your heart's content. >2) Would period sugar vary greatly from what we call sugar today? And what >is the closest substitute to period sugar? I'm far from an expert on period sugars, but I imagine that brown sugar or "raw" sugar would be closer than the refined white stuff we have on hand nowadays. Honey would certainly have been used. -Iain From katjaorlova at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 22:01:35 2008 From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations - Question 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <699150.75916.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>>2) Would period sugar vary greatly from what we call sugar today? And what is the closest substitute to period sugar? ? The shortest answer is that sugar cane was not quite as processed as today -- but yes, it was still processed to extract the juice from the cane... and the result was, surprisingly, fairly white. ? And yes, this is sugar cane, grown in Europe (Italy and other warm-weather countries), not sugar beets. (Everyone asks that! ) ? The pressed juice was formed into foot-long loaves or cones. Cooks scraped flakes of sugar off them with a rasp-like instrument or ground them down with a mortar & pestle. (Hence, the instruction in many period recipes to "scrape on" or "strew on" sugar before serving.) ? For a decent article about the history of medieval sugar processing, see http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-SWEETS/Cypriot-Sugr-art.html. ? You can actually buy small, reproduction sugar cones from several online merchants, including: http://jas-townsend.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=802 ? Otherwise, the closest (and cheaper) substitute today would be buying Mexican "piloncillo" sugar or Indian "jaggery" sugar in ethnic markets. They?re both pressed cones or cubes, but they tend to be darker than the fine, white cones prized in noble manors of the Middle Ages. ? Using "Sugar in the Raw" is generally considered not a super valid substitute since, again, noble cooks wanted fine, pure, white sugar. However, I and other cooks have certainly used turbinado and similar sugars in period redactions -- we've just ground them fairly fine. ? Here endeth the data dump! ? Katja From sunshadow at twcny.rr.com Thu Oct 9 23:27:06 2008 From: sunshadow at twcny.rr.com (F. Page Steinhardt) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:27:06 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Tentative list of classes for the Metals Symposium Oct 18 Message-ID: <48EECB8A.9020300@twcny.rr.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Here ia a tentative list of classes for the Metals Symposium (At Myrkfaelinn' Vernaetur event) Just thought I'd let folks know what is planned for classes so far so that people can get their reservations in and make plans . . . (Oh yes, if you have safety glasses, bring them! there will be some for loaner but it's always best to have your own) I will try to have a schedule out by Monday. Jewelry soldering and other forms of connections (Master Erwillian MacFergus) Jewelry Piercing and Saw Work (Maggie, Master Erwillian's Apprentice) Jewelry Engraving (Master Simon de Okewode) The History and Construction of a Viking Axe (THL Olafr Thorvardarson) Glass Bead Making (Lady Carowyn Silveroak, EK Metalsmiths Guildmistress) Forging (TW Moran) Plate Engraving (TW Moran) Copperworking for Decoration(Lord Taranach McLeod) Viking Wireweaving (Lady Carowyn Silveroak) Practical Bladeforging (THL John Michael Thorpe) Simple steel Heat treating (THL John Michael Thorpe) The event information is listed below. This promises to be a great event! In service, THL John Michael Torpe http://myrkfaelinn.aethelmearc.org/events/2008-10.html THE DOMINION OF MYRKFAELINN ANNOUNCES Veternaetur October 18th, 2008 Site opens at 9 am, and closes at 9 pm. Location: 4H Acres 418 Lower Creek Rd, Ithaca NY 14850 As the seasons turn cooler we look to celebrate Veturn?tur (otherwise known as Winter Nights), the Norse harvest festival. Join us for a day of All Things Viking and enjoy the last games before retiring to your longhouse for the cold months ahead. We'll be culling our herds and devouring the crops that won't keep, so join us for a scrumptous feast prepared by Reyni-Hrefna. A proper Viking feast is planned . A wonderfully delicious menu is planned. If you have any dietary restrictions you may contact her (Jennifer Johnson, 607-351-9860 no calls after 9pm). Seating is limited, so you may wish to reserve early. We are pleased to announce the incorporation of the AEthelmearc Metalsmith Guild's First Metal Symposium. A variety of classes and activities are in the works. Forge space is available. For more details contact THL Captain John Michael Thorpe. Martial activities for the day will include such Viking feats as armoured combat, thrown weapons, archery, and youth combat. Of course, other activities and games will be available for the youth and adults alike. The site will open at 9am and close at 9pm. Reservations may be sent to the autocrat, Gytha Oggsdottir (Lori Baird, 305 Blackstone Ave, Ithaca NY 14850, , 607-257-4594). The day fee is $8 for adults, half price for children under 17. Under 5 is free. Fees for our sumptuous feast are $8 for adults, half price for children under 12. Under 5 is free. Family cap is set at $52. The NMS is in effect as usual, $3 must be collected for all adults who cannot show proof of membership. The only good reservation is a paid reservation. Merchant space is available. Contact the autocrat for more details. Directions to the site: We are at 4H Acres in Ithaca, NY. From Rt. 79 WEST, drive down the hill until you reach Rt. 13 Drive North on 13 past the airport. At the third cross-road (Lower Creek Road), there will be a sign pointing left to 4-H Acres. It will be close on the left hand side of the street. Address: 418 Lower Creek Road -- http://www.sunshadowdesign.com Without craftsmanship there is no art, only a sad suggestion of what could have been. From schwoegl at verizon.net Fri Oct 10 06:39:20 2008 From: schwoegl at verizon.net (McAndrew-Schwoegl) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:39:20 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations - Question 2 In-Reply-To: <699150.75916.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <699150.75916.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009a01c92ac4$74804610$5d80d230$@net> I have no Sekanjabin recipes, but do I know that the Mexicans still use a cone sugar that they call piloncillo. It is available in the ethnic section of my local super market and at specialty stores. It is also available from online stores: http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/pDetail.asp?p=135 http://www.mexgrocer.com/9696.html They may not be perfect, but they sure look cool. (They also taste yummy, but that is another story) Remus Fletcher (Note: I have not used these online stores, I am just using them as examples and the sites have photos) From valgardr at siriustech.net Fri Oct 10 08:20:25 2008 From: valgardr at siriustech.net (Scott G. Hofer) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:20:25 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO: 12th Night Autocrat Message-ID: <6DA7732D4BC24AA09C61C299ABB8036A@DBA1> Greetings, Could the autocrat for Aethelmearc 12th Night please contact me off-list. Thanks! Valgardr Gunnarsson From katjaorlova at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 17:37:35 2008 From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <898714.4802.qm@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>At Crown I had a taste of something called Sekanjabin. Now I have heard of this before, but I really enjoyed this drink. I contacted Lady Erzebet (who made it at Crown) and she shared her recipe with me. I have since made it and it tastes heavenly. ? Heh heh. Another convert. The beverage uprising is moving along nicely... ? >>My questions are as follows; 1) Are there variations on the recipe? The one I got has sugar, wine vinegar, fresh mint and water. It is simmered and diluted at 1:10 with water. ? ? Definitely yup. I've tasted many, many variations -- made with different vinegars, different sweeteners, different flavorings -- and everyone mixes the proportions differently according to whether they prefer it more tart or more sweet... ? ... although I should note that these variations are **not** strictly period. ? The drink *is* period, but people rarely prepare it as simply as is documented. ? The primary documentation (as of yet) for the drink is from The Anonymous Andalusian Cookbook of the 13th Century. I've copied the original below from Cariadoc's Miscellany: ? "Syrup of Simple Sikanjab?n (Oxymel) Andalusian p. A-74 Take a ratl of strong vinegar and mix it with two ratls of sugar, and cook all this until it takes the form of a syrup. Drink an ?qiya of this with three of hot water when fasting: it is beneficial for fevers of jaundice, and calms jaundice and cuts the thirst, since sikanjab?n syrup is beneficial in phlegmatic fevers: make it with six ?qiyas of sour vinegar for a ratl of honey and it is admirable. This seems to be at least two different recipes, for two different medical uses. The first, at least, is intended to be drunk hot. In modern Iranian restaurants, sekanjabin is normally served cold, often with grated cucumber." ? ? You will note, Aengus, that the two versions of the recipe contain only vinegar, water, and sugar or honey -- no mint or other flavoring. ? His Grace includes his own redaction of the recipe in The Miscellany, saying that it is based on the modern recipe in Claudia Roden's A Book of Middle Eastern Food: "Sekanjabin Dissolve 4 cups sugar in 2 1/2 cups of water; when it comes to a boil add 1 cup wine vinegar. Simmer 1/2 hour. Add a handful of mint, remove from fire, let cool. Dilute the resulting syrup to taste with ice water (5 to 10 parts water to 1 part syrup). The syrup stores without refrigeration. Note: This is the only recipe in the Miscelleny that is based on a modern source: A Book of Middle Eastern Food, by Claudia Roden. Sekanjabin is a period drink; it is mentioned in the Fihrist of al-Nadim, which was written in the tenth century. The only period recipe I have found for it (in the Andalusian cookbook) is called "Sekanjabin Simple" and omits the mint. It is one of a large variety of similar drinks described in that cookbook-flavored syrups intended to be diluted in either hot or cold water before drinking." ? As for variations, delicious combinations I've had have included raspberry vinegar or apple cider vinegar with freshly grown mint,?sage, or?lemon balm?mixed with special honeys. ? I'm personally especially fond of it made sweet and *strong* with gingerroot instead of mint. (Katja says Mmmmmmmmmmmm.) ? ? >>>2) Would period sugar vary greatly from what we call sugar today? And what is the closest substitute to period sugar? ? The shortest answer is that sugar cane was not quite as processed as today -- but yes, it was still processed to extract the juice from the cane... and the result was, surprisingly, fairly white. ? And yes, this is sugar cane, grown in Europe (Italy and other warm-weather countries), not sugar beets. (Everyone asks that! ) ? The pressed juice was formed into foot-long loaves or cones. Cooks scraped flakes of sugar off them with a rasp-like instrument or ground them down with a mortar & pestle. (Hence, the instruction in many period recipes to "scrape on" or "strew on" sugar before serving.) ? For a decent article about the history of medieval sugar processing, see http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-SWEETS/Cypriot-Sugr-art.html. ? You can actually buy small, reproduction sugar cones from several online merchants, including: http://jas-townsend.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=802 ? Otherwise, the closest (and cheaper) substitute today would be buying Mexican "piloncillo" sugar or Indian "jaggery" sugar in ethnic markets. They?re both pressed cones or cubes, but they tend to be darker than the fine, white cones prized in noble manors of the Middle Ages. ? Using "Sugar in the Raw" is generally considered not a super valid substitute since, again, noble cooks wanted fine, pure, white sugar. However, I and other cooks have certainly used turbinado and similar sugars in period redactions -- we've just ground them fairly fine. ? Here endeth the data dump! ? Katja ? From katjaorlova at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 22:00:45 2008 From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations - Question 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <661106.50339.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>At Crown I had a taste of something called Sekanjabin. Now I have heard of this before, but I really enjoyed this drink. I contacted Lady Erzebet (who made it at Crown) and she shared her recipe with me. I have since made it and it tastes heavenly. ? Heh heh. Another convert. The beverage uprising is moving along nicely... ? >>My questions are as follows; 1) Are there variations on the recipe? The one I got has sugar, wine vinegar, fresh mint and water. It is simmered and diluted at 1:10 with water. ? Definitely yup. I've tasted many, many variations -- made with different vinegars, different sweeteners, different flavorings -- and everyone mixes the proportions differently according to whether they prefer it more tart or more sweet... ? ... although I should note that these variations are **not** strictly period. ? The drink *is* period, but people rarely prepare it as simply as is documented. ? The primary documentation (as of yet) for the drink is from The Anonymous Andalusian Cookbook of the 13th Century. I've copied the original below from Cariadoc's Miscellany: ? "Syrup of Simple Sikanjab?n (Oxymel) Andalusian p. A-74 Take a ratl of strong vinegar and mix it with two ratls of sugar, and cook all this until it takes the form of a syrup. Drink an ?qiya of this with three of hot water when fasting: it is beneficial for fevers of jaundice, and calms jaundice and cuts the thirst, since sikanjab?n syrup is beneficial in phlegmatic fevers: make it with six ?qiyas of sour vinegar for a ratl of honey and it is admirable. This seems to be at least two different recipes, for two different medical uses. The first, at least, is intended to be drunk hot. In modern Iranian restaurants, sekanjabin is normally served cold, often with grated cucumber." ? ? You will note, Aengus, that the two versions of the recipe contain only vinegar, water, and sugar or honey -- no mint or other flavoring. ? His Grace includes his own redaction of the recipe in The Miscellany, saying that it is based on the modern recipe in Claudia Roden's A Book of Middle Eastern Food: "Sekanjabin Dissolve 4 cups sugar in 2 1/2 cups of water; when it comes to a boil add 1 cup wine vinegar. Simmer 1/2 hour. Add a handful of mint, remove from fire, let cool. Dilute the resulting syrup to taste with ice water (5 to 10 parts water to 1 part syrup). The syrup stores without refrigeration. Note: This is the only recipe in the Miscelleny that is based on a modern source: A Book of Middle Eastern Food, by Claudia Roden. Sekanjabin is a period drink; it is mentioned in the Fihrist of al-Nadim, which was written in the tenth century. The only period recipe I have found for it (in the Andalusian cookbook) is called "Sekanjabin Simple" and omits the mint. It is one of a large variety of similar drinks described in that cookbook-flavored syrups intended to be diluted in either hot or cold water before drinking." ? As for variations, delicious combinations I've had have included raspberry vinegar or apple cider vinegar with freshly grown mint,?sage, or?lemon balm?mixed with special honeys. ? I'm personally especially fond of it made sweet and *strong* with gingerroot instead of mint. (Katja says Mmmmmmmmmmmm.) ? From threecs at zoominternet.net Fri Oct 10 07:29:26 2008 From: threecs at zoominternet.net (John and Tammy Crawford) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:29:26 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Cone Sugar Message-ID: <28882.1223638166@zoominternet.net> Greetings Sir Angus I recently purchased some cone sugar at Giant Eagle (in Robinson). I found it in the Mexican Food Section and it does have a bit of a different taste. I've used one of those crank cheese graters, but then I do have an old all metal one, not sure if the new plastic ones would work. Also you will want to make sure you put it in an air tight container when you open it. Good Luck experimenting Ciao, Tomasia From olafandaine at twcny.rr.com Fri Oct 10 08:53:07 2008 From: olafandaine at twcny.rr.com (olafandaine at twcny.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:53:07 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fundraising in memory of His Grace Morghun Sheridan In-Reply-To: <007101c9273d$0a2e3ae0$6801a8c0@ANDERSON> Message-ID: <20081010125307.EKC07.1823.root@hrndva-web20-z01> For those of your attending Harvest Raid this weekend, I wanted to give a little preview of some of the wonderful items that will be in the ticket raffle tomorrow. And trust me when I say, they are truly magnificent and well worth your tickets!! :) Basket of soap Xacto Carving Set Certificate for a 30 min massage Leather Aethelmearc Hair Badge Viking Necklace w/ matching earrings Custom Banner A kitchen basket Heraldic patches Heraldic trim Hand carved Long Bow Sterling Silver Hexfoil Brooch Basket Hilts 6 hours of Graphic Design Bronze and Garnet Large Ardagh Rondelle Pendant Mongolian Het Amethyst Beads Beautiful garb Bronze Faerie Pendant Fabric Medieval Note Cards Handcrafted Wooden Chest And there is still more to come! Thank you to all those who donated! Your generosity is amazing! In Service, Aine inghean Riocaird ---- Jennifer Bastian wrote: > > > I look forward to seeing many of you this weekend at Harvest Raid where we > will have a large ticket raffle with many interesting and nifty items. > > They items include: > > A custom banner > A 9' piece of inkle woven trim in YOUR colors > A hand carved Long bow > Beautiful Garb > > Donations are still very much appreciated and any interested parties can > contact Lady Aine inghean Riocaird. She can be reached at olafandaine at > twcny.rr.com. > > Again thank you all for our generosity yesterday, > > Overwhelmed with the generosity of such a noble kingdom, > > Margerite > > > Baroness Margerite de la Marche > eventsteward at heronter.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From grm at andrew.cmu.edu Fri Oct 10 09:35:53 2008 From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:35:53 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a sekanjabin class scheduled for Known World Cooks and Bards the second weekened in November. (plug, plug). toodles, margaret --On Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:35 PM -0400 Aengus wrote: > Greetings all! > > At Crown I had a taste of something called Sekanjabin. Now I have heard of > this before, but I really enjoyed this drink. I contact Lady Erzebet (who > made it at Crown) and she shared her recipe with me. I have since made it > and it tastes heavenly. > > My questions are as follows; > 1) Are there variations on the recipe? The one I got has sugar, wine > vinegar, fresh mint and water. It is simmered and diluted at 1:10 with > water. > > 2) Would period sugar vary greatly from what we call sugar today? And what > is the closest substitute to period sugar? > > Thanks! > Aengus MacBain > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From keran at hancock.net Fri Oct 10 10:21:37 2008 From: keran at hancock.net (Keran) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:21:37 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sterlynge Vayle Demo in Walton Message-ID: <48EF64F1.6040903@hancock.net> Demo Day in Walton October11, 2008 (Saturday) Friends, find your way to the fair Walton Fairgrounds for fun, frolicking, and food. We are invited to show off as entertainment at the Walton Harvest Festival, sponsored by the American Cancer Society. Set up is at 8:30 and the site is open for the public from 10AM-4PM. Admission is free for Entertainers let them know you are with the SCA at the gate. Rattan Fighters, please bring your armor and plan to demonstrate the martial arts. Archery and SCA Fencing equipment is good to bring, but these activities are not planned. Youth combat may be possible, but is tentative at this time. Fighters and Non-fighters please bring a project that you are working on or some activity you can demonstrate. Medieval board games are good too. Please bring banners and Medieval items to show off. I will be setting up some Viking A-frame tents, with some help. There is lots of space available under cover if needed. Food is available from vendors on site. Olaf will provide drinks and a small dayboard. Fast food and Diners are nearby. Directions: From Binghamton: Take 88 East to Bainbridge exit for Rte 206. Turn right on 206 go 20 miles. Turn Left at blinking red light onto Delaware Ave in Walton. Turn right at the second traffic light in town (NBDC Bank at corner). Cross bridge and turn right onto Stockton Ave. The Fairgounds are on the right after a sharp curve to the left. Others should take their best route to Walton, then From 206 South - you would go straight at the Red light once you come into town and this is Stockton Ave. The Fairgounds are on the right after a sharp curve to the left. From Albany - Take 88 West to Richmondville exit for Route 10 West. Turn Left at the first light in Walton. Cross the bridge and turn right onto Stockton Ave. The Fairgounds are on the right after a sharp curve to the left. Contact Olaf Thornstein of Norseland Via ruadjusted at stny.rr.com or 607-865-5540 or 607-865-5394 From geirnythorgrimsdottir at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 16:44:36 2008 From: geirnythorgrimsdottir at yahoo.com (Kim Veillette) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Missing items - Forgive the use of public forum for private business! Message-ID: <815649.44810.qm@web50603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> So lately it's been bothering me that I seem to be missing a ton of SCA stuff.?I just keep mislaying stuff and it's disconcerting. Imagine my dismay when I opened?my feast gear box today while packing for Harvest Raid and discovered missing my beautiful harpy/siren candlesticks, a much loved gift from Baroness Gillian.?I don't even remember the last time I used them for sure. So?if I've shared a table with you,?if can check and see if?these accidentally?found their way into your feast basket, I'd be greatly indebted. While I'm at it I'll mention two?other largish losses. I'm also missing a red and beige plaid dress, and a viking knife bought from Ragnar?with a period tang and swirly arctic wood handle. Thanks! Geirny ?? ?YIS, Baroness Geirny Thorgrimsdottir, OL MKA Kim Ingram-Veillette From donnamac456 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 20:03:11 2008 From: donnamac456 at yahoo.com (Donna MacTavish) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Sterlynge Vayle Demo in Walton In-Reply-To: <48EF64F1.6040903@hancock.net> Message-ID: <238649.52636.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There will be a Youth marshal available and loaner armor for 2 division 1's or 2's. Any one who would like to come practice is welcome. I will have at least 1 youth fighter available to fight any challengers. ? in service Cristina Region 5 deputy YM --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Keran wrote: From: Keran Subject: [SCA-AE] Sterlynge Vayle Demo in Walton To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 10:21 AM Demo Day in Walton October11, 2008 (Saturday) Friends, find your way to the fair Walton Fairgrounds for fun, frolicking, and food. We are invited to show off as entertainment at the Walton Harvest Festival, sponsored by the American Cancer Society. Set up is at 8:30 and the site is open for the public from 10AM-4PM. Admission is free for Entertainers let them know you are with the SCA at the gate. Rattan Fighters, please bring your armor and plan to demonstrate the martial arts. Archery and SCA Fencing equipment is good to bring, but these activities are not planned. Youth combat may be possible, but is tentative at this time. Fighters and Non-fighters please bring a project that you are working on or some activity you can demonstrate. Medieval board games are good too. Please bring banners and Medieval items to show off. I will be setting up some Viking A-frame tents, with some help. There is lots of space available under cover if needed. Food is available from vendors on site. Olaf will provide drinks and a small dayboard. Fast food and Diners are nearby. Directions: From Binghamton: Take 88 East to Bainbridge exit for Rte 206. Turn right on 206 go 20 miles. Turn Left at blinking red light onto Delaware Ave in Walton. Turn right at the second traffic light in town (NBDC Bank at corner). Cross bridge and turn right onto Stockton Ave. The Fairgounds are on the right after a sharp curve to the left. Others should take their best route to Walton, then From 206 South - you would go straight at the Red light once you come into town and this is Stockton Ave. The Fairgounds are on the right after a sharp curve to the left. From Albany - Take 88 West to Richmondville exit for Route 10 West. Turn Left at the first light in Walton. Cross the bridge and turn right onto Stockton Ave. The Fairgounds are on the right after a sharp curve to the left. Contact Olaf Thornstein of Norseland Via ruadjusted at stny.rr.com or 607-865-5540 or 607-865-5394 _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From capncarp at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 20:50:11 2008 From: capncarp at yahoo.com (M.S. Daniel) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations - Question 2 In-Reply-To: <009a01c92ac4$74804610$5d80d230$@net> Message-ID: <810659.55176.qm@web53901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You might check out Indian grocery stores, they have sugar in cone/loaf form. Geoffrey, still in exile in the East --- On Fri, 10/10/08, McAndrew-Schwoegl wrote: > From: McAndrew-Schwoegl > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations - Question 2 > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:39 AM > I have no Sekanjabin recipes, but do I know that the > Mexicans still use a > cone sugar that they call piloncillo. It is available in > the ethnic section > of my local super market and at specialty stores. > > It is also available from online stores: > http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/pDetail.asp?p=135 > http://www.mexgrocer.com/9696.html > > > They may not be perfect, but they sure look cool. (They > also taste yummy, > but that is another story) > > Remus Fletcher > > (Note: I have not used these online stores, I am just using > them as examples > and the sites have photos) > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 12:11:50 2008 From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] A Challenge at Harvest Raid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <64111.79480.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Just wanted to say a quick thank you to everyone who came out yesterday and hit us with sticks, it was a WONDERFUL day and more exhausting then I could possibly have imagined - I'm actually having trouble picking up my coffee cup this morning!!! In our time in court I made a serious oversight and would like to apologize for that now - when thanking people I forgot to thank the wonder folks from the Shire of Herontir and the Event staff for allowing us to invade Your event. For anyone who has ever considered doing a Deed of Arms of this nature, or any other, please do it. I believe I speak for my brother Vlad when I say we have NO regrets as we have earned every one of these aches and pains! If anyone is considering something like this and has any questions please contact us and we will be happy to answer them. I left a video camera running during a lot of the bouts and will post when I get the videos uploaded to YouTube. Thank you again to everyone who came out, to Their Majesties for allowing us to have this the day of Kingdom Champions and to Their Highnesses for being one of the first in line to Challenge us. now to figure out how to get the armor out of the car and into the house - my gambeson tried to make a run for the woods but I captured it before it could escape!!! SKA William Freskyn Murray MKA Will Carson squire to Baron Sir Bedawyr of Avaricum foster squire to Viscount Syr Alexander Caithnes of Wyk Chieftain of the Tribe of Tuatha Firen Baron of the Court of Aethelmearc Father of Nicholas www.carsonsadopt.com --- On Sun, 9/21/08, MATTHEW GRANGER wrote: > From: MATTHEW GRANGER > Subject: [SCA-AE] A Challenge at Harvest Raid > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 9:09 AM > Unto the most Noble Populace of the Kingdom of AEthelmearc > do Baron Vladisla Nikulich and Baron William Freskyn Murray, > brother barons of the Court of AEthelmearc, send greetings. > > In an effort to rekindle joy in the hearts of fighters and > share a day of combat, We do intend to stand the Field of > Honor at the upcoming Harvest Raids in the Kingdoms beloved > Shire of Herontir with an open challenge. > > With the gracious permission of Their Majesties AEthelmearc > and the event stewards, assistance of House Caithnes, and > with the loving support of Our Ladies and children, a lyst > shall be created separate from the tournament lyst of the > day. We shall provide a pavilion for shade and water for > your comfort, a marshal for safety and a herald should you > require. We shall array ourselves in Our finest kit and > provide for Ourselves and those who would meet us upon the > field a wide assortment of Weapons and shields. Though We > claim no mastery of any Weapons form, We are of no small > skill and will provide the greatest challenge We are capable > of to all who enter the lyst. We ask that all nobles who > either seek to spread joy or find joy in what We do, come to > this lyst and cry a challenge in the form of combat that > most pleases you. We shall match any Weapons form of your > choosing and face challengers in singles combat to a > specified number of counted blows or, should melee combat be > your joy, please bring a friend and challenge both of us at > once. A barrier will be provided so that combat may take > place in the open field or across a barrier if that be your > joy. We shall take from these combats a great new depth of > knowledge and will share what We know as is appropriate by > the outcome. > > There will be no winner?s bracket or loser?s bracket > and none shall be turned away as long as the desire is to > take the field and share in the joy of combat. The goal of > this exercise shall not be victory or defeat (though We > shall strive to be victorious as oft as We can), but the > sheer joy of combat. The prize shall be the smiles and > laughter of all combatants who participate, and the stories > to share. This is not for vain glory, but to embrace that > which We hold dear. No trinket or scroll would ever compare > to the laughter and joy of Our comrades at arms as We strive > to do honor for Our Lady Wives who allow us to take the > field in Their names. > > We do not wish to cheapen the tournament of the day. As > such, We shall suspend activities during the days scheduled > tournaments and ask that all fighters enter and participate > in the Event?s tournament as We shall do as Well. We do > this as a separate and independent act to share with Our > brethren whose love is combat. We shall stand the field > from the hour of 10 am until Their Royal Majesties call us > for Court or physical exhaustion make it no longer possible > to continue. Our hearts are great and Our desire to share > the joy of this day greater, to that end We shall strive to > stand the field until all challengers are faced to Their > satisfaction. > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun > that are part of your life. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From jbastian at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 12 15:24:49 2008 From: jbastian at stny.rr.com (Jennifer Bastian) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:24:49 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Thank You from Harvest Raid! Message-ID: <004b01c92ca0$31d2d520$6801a8c0@ANDERSON> Good Afternoon all! We hope that you have all safely returned to your homes. Ours is a small shire and we were very grateful to those individuals from out of our area that stepped up and either ran a tourney or swept out their cabin or a thousand similar tasks. We could have done the last two events without you. We would like to also thank Their Majesties and Their Highnesses for joining us this weekend and recognizing several members of our shire. We would also like to thank Sir Matthew, Sir Otto, and Master Robin for truly embodying His Grace, Sir Morguhn's spirit and washing dishes after feast. They were joined by cadets, royal peers, lords & ladies, and folk of all status. It was truly a great turn on an arduous task. Lastly we would thank our Shire of Heronter for a group as small as ours we certainly have a lot of work ethic, positive spirits, and dedicated individuals. Without your support this could never have been accomplished. Dorinda & Margerite Event Stewards of Harvest Raid PS: For lost and found please contact Her Grace Dorinda at fencing at heronter.org - we found car keys! From lori at tigerfire.net Sun Oct 12 22:26:37 2008 From: lori at tigerfire.net (Lori) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:26:37 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: October 18th: Veternaetur and the Metals Symposium Message-ID: <200810130223.m9D2Nnbt010852@mx3.andrew.cmu.edu> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ FYI Feast seats are running low, so please put in a reservation if you want a seat. There will be plenty of heavy fighting (including melee), archery and thrown weapons for all. We do have space for fencing if anyone is interested. There of course will be youth combat and children's activities! We not only have the Metals Symposium (see class list below) but also Baroness TSivia bas Tamara v'Amberview from Ealdormere has volunteered to teach a period Norse dance class! THE DOMINION OF MYRKFAELINN ANNOUNCES Veternaetur October 18th, 2008 Site opens at 9 am, and closes at 9 pm. Location: 4H Acres 418 Lower Creek Rd, Ithaca NY 14850 As the seasons turn cooler we look to celebrate Veturn?tur (otherwise known as Winter Nights), the Norse harvest festival. Join us for a day of All Things Viking and enjoy the last games before retiring to your longhouse for the cold months ahead. We'll be culling our herds and devouring the crops that won't keep, so join us for a scrumptous feast prepared by Reyni-Hrefna. A proper Viking feast is planned . A wonderfully delicious menu ( http://hrefna.karstyl.com/vikingfeast08/vikingfeast08.html) is planned. If you have any dietary restrictions you may contact her (Jennifer Johnson,(karstyl at gmail.com) 607-351-9860 no calls after 9pm). Seating is limited, so reserve early. We are pleased to announce the incorporation of the AEthelmearc Metalsmith Guild's First Metal Symposium. A variety of classes and activities are in the works. Here is a tentative list of classes: Jewelry soldering and other forms of connections (Master Erwillian MacFergus) Jewelry Piercing and Saw Work (Maggie, Master Erwillian's Apprentice) Jewelry Engraving (Master Simon de Okewode) The History and Construction of a Viking Axe (THL Olafr Thorvardarson) Glass Bead Making (Lady Carowyn Silveroak, EK Metalsmiths Guildmistress) Forging (TW Moran) Plate Engraving (TW Moran) Copperworking for Decoration(Lord Taranach McLeod) Viking Wireweaving (Lady Carowyn Silveroak) Practical Bladeforging (THL John Michael Thorpe) Simple steel Heat treating (THL John Michael Thorpe) Forge space is available. For more details contact THL Captain John Michael Thorpe. (sunshadow at twcny.rr.com) Martial activities for the day will include such Viking feats as armoured combat, thrown weapons, archery, and youth combat. Of course, other activities and games will be available for the youth and adults alike. The site will open at 9am and close at 9pm. Reservations may be sent to the autocrat, Gytha Oggsdottir (Lori Baird (gytha at tigerfire.net), 305 Blackstone Ave, Ithaca NY 14850, , 607-257-4594). The day fee is $8 for adults, half price for children under 17. Under 5 is free. Fees for our sumptuous feast are $8 for adults, half price for children under 12. Under 5 is free. Family cap is set at $52. The NMS is in effect as usual, $3 must be collected for all adults who cannot show proof of membership. The only good reservation is a paid reservation. Merchant space is available. Contact the autocrat for more details. Directions to the site: We are at 4H Acres in Ithaca, NY. From Rt. 79 WEST, drive down the hill until you reach Rt. 13 Drive North on 13 past the airport. At the third cross-road (Lower Creek Road), there will be a sign pointing left to 4-H Acres. It will be close on the left hand side of the street. Address: 418 Lower Creek Road From siraengus at zoominternet.net Sun Oct 12 22:42:46 2008 From: siraengus at zoominternet.net (Aengus) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:42:46 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I cannot attend as I have a prior engagement at the Gold Chain Tourney in Stormsport. Do you know who is teaching the class? Aengus > There is a sekanjabin class scheduled for Known World Cooks and Bards the > second weekened in November. (plug, plug). > > toodles, margaret From grm at andrew.cmu.edu Sun Oct 12 23:09:09 2008 From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:09:09 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Master Tofi, I believe. toodles, margaret --On Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:42 PM -0400 Aengus wrote: > I cannot attend as I have a prior engagement at the Gold Chain Tourney in > Stormsport. > > Do you know who is teaching the class? > > Aengus > > >> There is a sekanjabin class scheduled for Known World Cooks and Bards the >> second weekened in November. (plug, plug). >> >> toodles, margaret > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From grm at andrew.cmu.edu Sun Oct 12 23:09:35 2008 From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:09:35 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79C6FCFAB4F533FBE95BD130@[192.168.2.4]> Of course, KWCB runs both Saturday AND Sunday, so you might still be able to come :-) toodles, margaret --On Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:42 PM -0400 Aengus wrote: > I cannot attend as I have a prior engagement at the Gold Chain Tourney in > Stormsport. > > Do you know who is teaching the class? > > Aengus > > >> There is a sekanjabin class scheduled for Known World Cooks and Bards the >> second weekened in November. (plug, plug). >> >> toodles, margaret > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From nostrand at demoivre.org Mon Oct 13 01:55:38 2008 From: nostrand at demoivre.org (Barbara Nostrand) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:55:38 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Known World Cooks and Bards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Noble Cousins! Greetings from Solveig! >>> There is a sekanjabin class scheduled for Known World Cooks and >>> Bards the >>> second weekened in November. (plug, plug). >>> >>> toodles, margaret I can not find the class list. Does anyone know where it is? Your Humble Servant Solveig Throndardottir Amateur Scholar From grm at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Oct 13 02:03:01 2008 From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:03:01 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Known World Cooks and Bards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C363F1659E939A875F8B3E@[192.168.2.4]> It is not yet posted. It should be up sometime this week. toodles, margaret --On Monday, October 13, 2008 1:55 AM -0400 Barbara Nostrand wrote: > Noble Cousins! > > Greetings from Solveig! > >>>> There is a sekanjabin class scheduled for Known World Cooks and >>>> Bards the >>>> second weekened in November. (plug, plug). >>>> >>>> toodles, margaret > > I can not find the class list. Does anyone know where it is? > > Your Humble Servant > Solveig Throndardottir > Amateur Scholar > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From moordog at frontiernet.net Mon Oct 13 00:04:40 2008 From: moordog at frontiernet.net (Meadhbh Amhranaith of Clan Mcbain) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:04:40 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Found items ! Message-ID: I currently have in my possession : 1 fairly large banner - white elephant on purple background - this was left on a chair in the Roman Legion's pavilion at Summer's End 2 piece set of ladies garb - white underdress with open-sided (tabard style) overdress in an orangey-brown small houndstooth check pattern - This was left in the ladies restroom nearest the Heavy Weapons lists at Harvest Raid My Lords and Ladies, kindly assist me in returning them to their proper homes, if you are able! Many thanks, Lady Meadhbh From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 08:57:21 2008 From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] A Challenge at Harvest Raid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <284680.92466.qm@web54604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Two final notes on our challenge at Harvest Raid then I'll stop bugging the list :-) First, most of the videos are up on my YouTube sight www.youtube.com/williamfreskynmurray I have one left to put up but it's 1.2 G and I need to edit it before I can upload it. I turned the camera on when we started again after the Champion Tournament and left it running until we had to take a break for water, so I need to break that into smaller pieces to get it up. I should have those up by the end of the week. Unfortunately I thought I turned the camera back on after the break but didn't so I missed the last of the bouts and my final challenge with Vlad. So far I put up the 4 that I took of Vlad & Myself fighting various individuals. While we were suspending our activities during the Kingdom Champions Tourney our list was used for a bear pit so I ran the camera a lot during those bouts and posted those as well. The second thing is we brought tokens to give to each of the fighters who joined us in the list, given the number of fighters that we faced and the number of tokens we brought home we missed some fighters because we brought home to many. If you faced us in the list and did not receive a token of thanks please find us at a future event and we will give you one. Again, thank you to everyone who came out and enjoyed the day. SKA William Freskyn Murray MKA Will Carson squire to Baron Sir Bedawyr of Avaricum foster squire to Viscount Syr Alexander Caithnes of Wyk Chieftain of the Tribe of Tuatha Firen Baron of the Court of Aethelmearc Father of Nicholas www.carsonsadopt.com From greenstein at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 23:20:57 2008 From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Cooks & Bards official announcement Message-ID: <28208723.1223954457741.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings from the staff of the upcoming Known World Bardic Congress and Cooks Collegium (November 7-10). Please feel free to forward this announcement wherever you think it may serve. In our tireless effort to make your life better and better, here is more information pertaining to the event: CLASSES: Within the next few days we will post the list of confirmed classes, adding additional listings as we confirm them. Check the event website at www.cooksandbards.aethelmearc.org. Remember: class registration deadline is October 17. It looks like we are going to have a very full and diverse program! LIBRARY: The event will offer dedicated space for a reference library (including scanner, printer and inkjet photocopier), stewarded by a professional librarian, and shortly there will be a more detailed announcement on the subject. Meanwhile, what we need from you is resources; if you have personal works or recipes that you would like to make available, reference books, audio recordings or other materials, please consider taking some time to identify and gather what you would like to lend. For those with books and audio recordings to sell, consider lending a copy to the library, to entice your potential customers. We anticipate posting a library "catalog" to the website in advance of the event, so please consider sending your list of items to kwcb-library AT andrew DOT cmu DOT edu. PROCEEDINGS: The absolute deadline for submission of articles and class handouts for the event Proceedings is just around the corner (October 17). You need not be limited in your submissions to the classes that you are teaching at the event, nor do you have to teach at all, to submit material. Also, since the Proceedings will be distributed on CD, they may include supplemental audio (mp3) and video (mpg) files. Send all submissions to kwcb-proceedings AT andrew DOT cmu DOT edu. Please consider contributing! REGISTRATION: Pre-registrations will be accepted until October 31, 2008 (based on postmark). Secure your seat at the feasts by getting your registration in on time. Check the website at www.cooksandbards.aethelmearc.org for how to register. Thank you all for your attention. Come help us make this event one to talk about for years to come! Feel free to direct your questions about the event to kwcb-info AT andrew DOT cmu DOT edu. From medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 23:48:14 2008 From: medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com (Shawn MacIntyre) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Agincourt Schedule Message-ID: <836134.51099.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings to All, Here is the tentative schedule for activities at Agincourt, October 25 in the BMDL. For reservation information, please visit: http://www.debatablelands.org/agincourt2008.html The schedule is subject to change, a final schedule will be sent out prior to the event. Agincourt Schedule 9:00? -Site Opens -Youth Inspection (Lower Field) 9:30? ?-Archery Practice Open (Archery Field) -Thrown Weapons Practice Open (Thrown Weapons Field) -100 Years War general knowledge quiz (begins ? runs until 3:00) 10:00? -Heavy Inspection and Authorizations (Upper Field) -Fencing Inspection (Lower Field) 11:00?? -Baronial Heavy Champions (Upper Field)???????????? -Leatherworking Class (feast hall) (please bring your own leather and posterboard) 11:30?? - Baronial Youth Fighting Champions Tourney (Youth List) - Archery Champions Competition Begins (Archery Field) 12:00? -Lunch -Thrown Weapons Champions Competition Begins (Thrown Weapons Field) - Class - So you want to be an Archery Marshall (Lord Urho Waltterinen) (Feast Hall) 1:00? ??- Fencing Baronial Champions Tourney (Fencing List) - Heavy Melees Begin (Upper Field) - Combat Archery Tourney (in between melees) (Upper Field) ? - Class - Making Youth Weapons (Lady Zoe Akropolatina) (Pavillion) 1:30???? -Youth Archery Champions Competition (Archery Field) 2:00 - Leather Bottle Making Class (Lady Sarab bint Alima) (Feast Hall) 3:00? ?? - Agincourt Archery Challenge (Archery Field) - Fencer?s Tavern Brawl (Picnic Pavilion) 4:00???? - Debatable Choir will perform (Feast Hall) 4:30 ??? - Royal and Baronial Court (Inside Hall) ? 6:00 ??? - Feast - Bardic Duel (during feast) Two Challenges will go on throughout the day, For the populace there will be a Hundred Years War General Knowledge quiz, with a prize given out during court to the winner. The other challenge was to All Heavy Fighters on behalf of myself as the BMDL Bardic Champion. I have challenged all fighters to join in a Triathlon challenging skills as Artisan, Bard and Chivalrous Fighter. To accept this challenge you must submit a work of your own to the A&S tables. You must show honor on the battlefield at Agincourt. Finally, you must perform a bardic feat (Song, Poem, or Story) during feast in the evening. There will be a prize given for each individual category and for an overall winner at the end of feast. We invite one and all to come and enjoy the glory on Saint Crispin's Day. Yours in Service, Lord Liam MacanTsaoir Autocrat From elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 10:46:13 2008 From: elss_of_augsburg at yahoo.com (Elss_of_Augsburg) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Cooks & Bards official announcement In-Reply-To: <28208723.1223954457741.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <292802.41890.qm@web46202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Michael -- ? I am sure that you are aware that the class list is not yet on the website. After it is posted, do we truly only have until October 17th to register for our chosen classes? ? I'm not sure I can decide what I want to take that quickly!! ? Thanks, ? Elss ? MKA Rocky Hayeslip --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Michael B. Greenstein wrote: From: Michael B. Greenstein Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Cooks & Bards official announcement To: "AE Announcements" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 3:20 AM Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings from the staff of the upcoming Known World Bardic Congress and Cooks Collegium (November 7-10). Please feel free to forward this announcement wherever you think it may serve. In our tireless effort to make your life better and better, here is more information pertaining to the event: CLASSES: Within the next few days we will post the list of confirmed classes, adding additional listings as we confirm them. Check the event website at www.cooksandbards.aethelmearc.org. Remember: class registration deadline is October 17. It looks like we are going to have a very full and diverse program! LIBRARY: The event will offer dedicated space for a reference library (including scanner, printer and inkjet photocopier), stewarded by a professional librarian, and shortly there will be a more detailed announcement on the subject. Meanwhile, what we need from you is resources; if you have personal works or recipes that you would like to make available, reference books, audio recordings or other materials, please consider taking some time to identify and gather what you would like to lend. For those with books and audio recordings to sell, consider lending a copy to the library, to entice your potential customers. We anticipate posting a library "catalog" to the website in advance of the event, so please consider sending your list of items to kwcb-library AT andrew DOT cmu DOT edu. PROCEEDINGS: The absolute deadline for submission of articles and class handouts for the event Proceedings is just around the corner (October 17). You need not be limited in your submissions to the classes that you are teaching at the event, nor do you have to teach at all, to submit material. Also, since the Proceedings will be distributed on CD, they may include supplemental audio (mp3) and video (mpg) files. Send all submissions to kwcb-proceedings AT andrew DOT cmu DOT edu. Please consider contributing! REGISTRATION: Pre-registrations will be accepted until October 31, 2008 (based on postmark). Secure your seat at the feasts by getting your registration in on time. Check the website at www.cooksandbards.aethelmearc.org for how to register. Thank you all for your attention. Come help us make this event one to talk about for years to come! Feel free to direct your questions about the event to kwcb-info AT andrew DOT cmu DOT edu. _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From greenstein at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 11:17:18 2008 From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:17:18 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Cooks & Bards official announcement References: <292802.41890.qm@web46202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I am sure that you are aware that the class list is not yet on the > website. After it is posted, do we truly only have until October 17th to > register for our chosen classes? To register to *teach*. I apologize if I caused any confusion. The deadline exists so that we can assemble the class schedule well in advance of the event. Speaking only for the "bardic side" of things, there will be only a few programs that will require preregistration (probably including bookings for recording time in the studio), and we do not yet have a protocol in place for that. So, no worries! 8-) - Michael From lori at tigerfire.net Tue Oct 14 12:13:13 2008 From: lori at tigerfire.net (Lori) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:13:13 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Veternaetur Feast is full Message-ID: <200810141610.m9EGAb2S009709@mx2.andrew.cmu.edu> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ The feast for the Veternaetur event this Sat is full. I will gladly put people on the waiting list if you contact me. Here is the event link -http://myrkfaelinn.aethelmearc.org/events/2008-10.html Gytha Oggsdottir Autocrat From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net Tue Oct 14 13:21:40 2008 From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:21:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Announce: Attention Merchants Message-ID: <000001c92e21$58acae00$1001a8c0@otter> Greetings All from your Ice Dragon 2009 Merchant Liaison; Requests for space have already been coming in so please do not delay in sending in your forms and payments to me as space in the new location is limited. Merchant information and down loadable forms can be found at the following URL: http://www.ice-dragon.info/ . Vivants to those who have taken advantage of the early sign-in discount! YIS, Lady Biotta From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Tue Oct 14 19:29:14 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:29:14 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Memorial Poem-Lyric for Duke Morguhn Message-ID: This is the poem/lyric I wrote this past weekend in memory of His Grace. It is set to the tune of "Seminole Wind", originally by John Anderson & recently covered by James Taylor on his new CD, "Covers". Fridrikr inn gamli -------------------- Lord of Chivalry It is said that in days of old Men went searching for fame untold Spurs of silver and a chain a gold The Lords of Chivalry They kneel to kings and an oath they speak Protect the poor and keep the weak Honor for the right they seek Til the world's time shall cease Ride Ride Lords of Chivalry Ride til the people of the land are free Evil hears your battlecall And flees for it dares not stand Ride into battle with banners bright Drive away darkness, bring the light Ride into the glorious fight For a gold chain never fades From the East a young man rides With flaming hair and laughing eyes A soaring soul and a battle cry A true lord riding free He rides for glory and he rides for fame His ladies' honor and a noble name A wild spirit whom none can tame A Lord of Chivalry Ride Ride Lords of Chivalry Ride til the people of the land are free Evil hears your battlecall And flees for it dares not stand Ride into battle with banners bright Drive away darkness, bring the light Ride into the glorious fight For a white belt never fades The kingdom's glorious service called In the list, at war, or in the hall With love and laughter let all recall The Paragon of Chivalry For the honor of his ladies the Crown he bore In times of peace, on the field of war His fames resounds in legend and lore The Lord of Chivalry Ride Ride Lord of Chivalry Ride til the people of the land are free Evil hears your battlecall And flees for it dares not stand Ride into battle with banners bright Drive away darkness, bring the light Ride into the glorious fight For gold spurs never fade In final battle with the dauntless foe He fought to his last, stood toe to toe At Valhalla's Gates, the gods now know The Lord of Chivalry His joy in battle and his heart's desire In his death let the glory of his life inspire His memory brings our souls to fire The Lord of Chivalry Ride Ride Lord of Chivalry Ride til the people of the land are free I still hear your battlecall But where you've gone I cannot say Ride into battle with banners bright Drive away darkness, bring the light Ride on forever, our valiant knight For a pure heart never fades No, a true knight never fades Fridrikr inn gamli, 11 October AS XLIII From sunshadow at twcny.rr.com Tue Oct 14 22:24:44 2008 From: sunshadow at twcny.rr.com (F. Page Steinhardt) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:24:44 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Tentative class schedule for Metal Symposium Oct 18 Message-ID: <48F5546C.5020106@twcny.rr.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings! Here is a tentative class schedule for the metals symposium being held at Myrkfaelinn's Veturn?tur event THIS SATURDAY This schedule is, of course subject to change based on teachers and facilities (and of course eventropy) Please plan on arriving and signing up for classes early, as some classes have size limits for active participants. If you have eye protection, and plan on participating in hands-on classes, please bring it. I will have some safety glasses I can lend, but not enough for everyone. If you are planning on forging, please wear natural (not silk)fiber clothing (wool, cotton, linen, leather, etc.)that you do not mind getting dirty in and closed top shoes. Class Area 1 11-12 Beginning Pewtercasting: Lord Corwyn Ravenwing 12:30-2:00 Piercing and SawWork: Maggie (Master Erwillian's apprentice) 2:00-3:30 Jewelry Engraving: Master Simon De Okewode 3:30-5:00 Jewelry soldering and other forms of connections: Master Erwillian MacFergus Class Area 2 11:00-12:00 Copperworking for decoration: Lord Taranach McLeod 12:00-1:00 Beginning Drop Spinning: Lady Elena Lytle 1:00-2:00 The History and Construction of a Viking Axe: THL ?l?fr ?orvar?arson 2:00-3:00 Viking Wireweaving: Lady Lillian Lytle 3:00-5:00 Glass Bead Making: Lady Carowyn Silveroak Forge Area 11:00-1:00 Ironworking:TW Moran 1:00-2:00 Engraving: TW Moran 2:00-4:00 Practical Bladesmithing: THL John Michael Thorpe 4:00-5:00 practical heat treating and knife finishing The event information is listed below. This promises to be a great event! In service, THL John Michael Thorpe If you have questions/concerns, please email me (sunshadow at twcny.rr.com) and I will try to get back to you as quickly as my schedule allows http://myrkfaelinn.aethelmearc.org/events/2008-10.html Googlemap link for Firefox users http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&q=418+Lower+Creek+Rd,+Ithaca,+New+York+14850,+United+States&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FQUbiAIdTvJx-w&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&ll=42.516651,-76.418152&spn=0.522309,0.843201&z=10&iwloc=addr THE DOMINION OF MYRKFAELINN ANNOUNCES Veternaetur October 18th, 2008 Site opens at 9 am, and closes at 9 pm. Location: 4H Acres 418 Lower Creek Rd, Ithaca NY 14850 As the seasons turn cooler we look to celebrate Veturn?tur (otherwise known as Winter Nights), the Norse harvest festival. Join us for a day of All Things Viking and enjoy the last games before retiring to your longhouse for the cold months ahead. We'll be culling our herds and devouring the crops that won't keep, so join us for a scrumptous feast prepared by Reyni-Hrefna. A proper Viking feast is planned . A wonderfully delicious menu is planned. If you have any dietary restrictions you may contact her (Jennifer Johnson, 607-351-9860 no calls after 9pm). Seating is limited, so you may wish to reserve early. We are pleased to announce the incorporation of the AEthelmearc Metalsmith Guild's First Metal Symposium. A variety of classes and activities are in the works. Forge space is available. For more details contact THL Captain John Michael Thorpe. Martial activities for the day will include such Viking feats as armoured combat, thrown weapons, archery, and youth combat. Of course, other activities and games will be available for the youth and adults alike. The site will open at 9am and close at 9pm. Reservations may be sent to the autocrat, Gytha Oggsdottir (Lori Baird, 305 Blackstone Ave, Ithaca NY 14850, , 607-257-4594). The day fee is $8 for adults, half price for children under 17. Under 5 is free. Fees for our sumptuous feast are $8 for adults, half price for children under 12. Under 5 is free. Family cap is set at $52. The NMS is in effect as usual, $3 must be collected for all adults who cannot show proof of membership. The only good reservation is a paid reservation. Merchant space is available. Contact the autocrat for more details. Directions to the site: We are at 4H Acres in Ithaca, NY. From Rt. 79 WEST, drive down the hill until you reach Rt. 13 Drive North on 13 past the airport. At the third cross-road (Lower Creek Road), there will be a sign pointing left to 4-H Acres. It will be close on the left hand side of the street. Address: 418 Lower Creek Road -- From Tristen at tribalbellydance.net Tue Oct 14 12:06:32 2008 From: Tristen at tribalbellydance.net (Eric Minardi) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:06:32 -0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES Message-ID: NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES As this discussion has grown across multiple lists we have formed a separate yahoo group to discuss these changes. This is so we won't need to repeat ourselves and forward across lists. Please join this new "temporary" yahoo group for the discussion of current changes to Youth Policies. Please refrain from discussing these changes on other lists except to post final decisions. This should help keep misunderstandings to a minimum. To join this list please take the following link: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ and click the Join Group button. Sincerely, Tristen Sexwulf Earl Marshal of ?thelmearc "Quicumque est necesse pro malum praevaleo est pro bonus men efficio nihil." -------------This Yahoo Group's Mission Statement-------------------- We are here to discuss changing and finalizing the following proposal. Discussion is to remain objective, constructive, and polite. (or you will be kicked from the list) Basically to sum up the proposal: Division 3 authorizations = Boffer Single Handed Weapons (BSH) Boffer Two Handed Weapon (B2H) Rattan Weapon & Shield (RWS) Rattan Two Weapons (RTW) Rattan 2-handed weapons (R2H) All boffer weapons and boffer rules remain basically the same. (biggest change is removing face thrusting as an authorization and including it as a part of the standard authorizations) The rattan is in addition to the boffer authorizations and is optional. People can switch between any authorization they have in Div 3. Boffer cannot fight against Rattan...Rattan must yield or put rattan down and pick up an authorized boffer form to fight boffer. Adult Youth Marshals and Parents authorized in Heavy Weapons can fight against Rattan Youths for the purpose of training and authorizing. From elady1 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 15 08:47:06 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:47:06 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... Message-ID: <20081015124753.QFIQ3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> I am looking for the gentle who liked my stew recipe so much at Crown tournament 2 weeks ago. I would gladly share the recipe with you, if only I knew who you are and how to contact you..... Erzebet Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net Wed Oct 15 09:10:05 2008 From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:10:05 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... In-Reply-To: <20081015124753.QFIQ3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01c92ec7$5dcdae60$1001a8c0@otter> Couldn't you just post it so all of us can enjoy it? Biotta collector of recipes -----Original Message----- From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Liz Orwig Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:47 AM To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... I am looking for the gentle who liked my stew recipe so much at Crown tournament 2 weeks ago. I would gladly share the recipe with you, if only I knew who you are and how to contact you..... Erzebet Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From elady1 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 15 09:31:14 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:31:14 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... In-Reply-To: <000f01c92ec7$5dcdae60$1001a8c0@otter> References: <20081015124753.QFIQ3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <000f01c92ec7$5dcdae60$1001a8c0@otter> Message-ID: <20081015133119.MBJM28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> I can, but there are pictures for some of the preparation that help with the noodle part..... But I can post it to the list. I didn't think anyone else wanted any from crown since no one but Sir Aengus asked..... My apologies Erzebet Recipe: Zuivan 3 cups flour 6.5 ounces water oil 2 cups meat without bones, cut into small pieces 3 ? cups vegetables (white cabbage and carrots, other veggies at will) 1 pealed onion cut into rings 2 pealed garlic cloves 12 ounces water salt pepper oil Prepare the noodles: Mix flour and water to create a pliable dough. Let it rest for 15 minutes. Separate in two pieces and roll into round sheets. Pour some oil in the center of one sheet. Disperse it over the surface by temporarily folding the sheet together from different directions. Place the second sheet on top of the first one and disperse oil in the same manner. Cut the two sheets in half, and place one half on top of the other with the oiled surface looking up again. Cut the now four sheets in half and place one of the quarters on top of the other in the same way. From now on, cut in half in the same direction twice until you get a stack about 3X10 inches and 2 inches tall. From this stack, cut the noodles about .25 inches wide. The noodles should still stick together as little stacks! Cook vegetables and meat Cut the vegetables into narrow strips. Cut the meat into small pieces Take large pot and saut? half the onion rings slightly in oil. Add the carrot strips and saut? them for a few minutes as well. Add the meat, saut? Add some water as required so that nothing sticks. Season well with garlic, salt, pepper. Add the cabbage and let it cook under a closed lid for a few minutes to reduce the volume. Add water until it reaches about 2/3 of the vegetables. Let everything simmer for a few minutes. Add the remaining onion rings. Cook the stew Place the noodle strips carefully on top of the vegetables so that they keep sticking together in stacks. Close the lid!!! The lid must remain closed until the end because the noodles are cooked by the steam from the boiling water below. Boil for about 15 minutes on medium heat for the steam. At the end, the water in the pot should be almost completely gone. Open the lid. The noodle strips have taken a slightly reddish brown color and are somewhat sticky at the outside. Using small cutting board or something similar, fan fresh air into the pot.. The noodles turn dry at the surface, lose their stickiness and change their color some more. Use a fork or chopsticks to separate the noodles. Shuffle everything to mix the ingredients. ** NOTES** Not being very practiced at the art of these noodles resulted in one frustrated cook. So, I made home made egg noodles to add instead, making this more of a stew than a ?stewed? meal. It worked pretty well and I was happy with the results. Somewhere in the recipe instructions it had a note at the bottom about adding other vegetables as wanted. So, for crown, I added some turnips as well. At 09:10 AM 10/15/2008, you wrote: >Couldn't you just post it so all of us can enjoy it? > >Biotta >collector of recipes > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu >[mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Liz Orwig >Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:47 AM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... > > I am looking for the gentle who liked my stew recipe so much >at Crown tournament 2 weeks ago. I would gladly share the recipe >with you, if only I knew who you are and how to contact you..... > >Erzebet > > > >Erzebet/Liz/Midge > > >People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to >discourage others. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to >discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From amyheilveil at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 09:45:40 2008 From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:45:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... In-Reply-To: <20081015133119.MBJM28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> References: <20081015124753.QFIQ3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <000f01c92ec7$5dcdae60$1001a8c0@otter> <20081015133119.MBJM28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <9e8e32f00810150645o22f04b1w85f98f0820c46c9d@mail.gmail.com> Good Lady, Never doubt the willingness of others to read a good recipe. :) Smiles, Despina de la yummmmm On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Liz Orwig wrote: > > I can, but there are pictures for some of the > preparation that help with the noodle part..... > But I can post it to the list. I didn't think > anyone else wanted any from crown since no one but Sir Aengus asked..... > > My apologies > > Erzebet From siraengus at zoominternet.net Wed Oct 15 10:07:24 2008 From: siraengus at zoominternet.net (Aengus) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:07:24 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Feast books In-Reply-To: <20081015133119.MBJM28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Message-ID: I too collect recipes. I have a fair number of feast booklets that I have saved in a special section of a bookshelf (near the 3 shelves of antique and 'outdated' modern cookbooks) Speaking of feast books, I cannot recommend them highly enough to any head cook! If the hosting group has the resources, and the head cook has the time and inclination, please consider printing a handout/booklet with the Feast/Lunch menu and the associated recipes you used to prepare same. I feel that they are a great reference for those who attend the feast as well as a wonderful resource for those of us who try to reproduce the dishes we enjoyed at home. Aengus > I can, but there are pictures for some of the > preparation that help with the noodle part..... > But I can post it to the list. I didn't think > anyone else wanted any from crown since no one but Sir Aengus asked..... > > My apologies > > Erzebet From khall0510 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 10:22:05 2008 From: khall0510 at yahoo.com (kathleen hall) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... In-Reply-To: <20081015124753.QFIQ3804.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <63714.4519.qm@web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> As long as we are sharing recipies... Can I have the tomato soup recipie from the Seige of Glengarry? My six year old loved it! --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Liz Orwig wrote: From: Liz Orwig Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:47 AM I am looking for the gentle who liked my stew recipe so much at Crown tournament 2 weeks ago. I would gladly share the recipe with you, if only I knew who you are and how to contact you..... Erzebet Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From caryl at faerhaga.org Wed Oct 15 10:40:31 2008 From: caryl at faerhaga.org (Caryl Biel) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:40:31 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Feast books Message-ID: <200810151442.m9FEglff011423@mx3.andrew.cmu.edu> And, if you make enough copies for each table, it is easier to avoid allergic reactions. Caryl -----Original Message----- From: Aengus Speaking of feast books, I cannot recommend them highly enough to any head cook! If the hosting group has the resources, and the head cook has the time and inclination, please consider printing a handout/booklet with the Feast/Lunch menu and the associated recipes you used to prepare same. From zhangmingli at comcast.net Wed Oct 15 11:31:13 2008 From: zhangmingli at comcast.net (zhangmingli at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:31:13 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Recipes & feast books Message-ID: <101520081531.25007.48F60CC100037527000061AF220702293307040902070309020E0896@comcast.net> Ni hao, I agree with this good Lady. Though I don't cook (I get no real joy out of it usually), every once in a while I feel inspired to try, and it is nice to have some recipes to butcher within an inch of their existence. By the way, where can I get some some of these "feast books" to which Sir Aengus referred (see Message 5)? YIS, Ming Li (who is feeling inspired to butcher some innocent recipe this week) > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:45:40 -0400 > From: "Amy Heilveil" > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Looking for.... > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Message-ID: > <9e8e32f00810150645o22f04b1w85f98f0820c46c9d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Good Lady, > Never doubt the willingness of others to read a good recipe. :) > > Smiles, > Despina de la yummmmm > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:07:24 -0400 > From: "Aengus" > Subject: [SCA-AE] Feast books > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I too collect recipes. I have a fair number of feast booklets that I have > saved in a special section of a bookshelf (near the 3 shelves of antique and > 'outdated' modern cookbooks) > > Speaking of feast books, I cannot recommend them highly enough to any head > cook! If the hosting group has the resources, and the head cook has the time > and inclination, please consider printing a handout/booklet with the > Feast/Lunch menu and the associated recipes you used to prepare same. > > I feel that they are a great reference for those who attend the feast as > well as a wonderful resource for those of us who try to reproduce the dishes > we enjoyed at home. > > Aengus From amyheilveil at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 11:42:16 2008 From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:42:16 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Recipes & feast books In-Reply-To: <101520081531.25007.48F60CC100037527000061AF220702293307040902070309020E0896@comcast.net> References: <101520081531.25007.48F60CC100037527000061AF220702293307040902070309020E0896@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9e8e32f00810150842h2728a3d6yedbe8ab9aefaff28@mail.gmail.com> Ming Li, Generally feast booklets are produced for the feast and given out at that specific feast - being seen as tokens for having attended. Feast masters, however, are usually happy to provide email/electronic versions of these to interested parties when asked. Smiles, Despina de la married to a cooking guy On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM, wrote: > Ni hao, > > I agree with this good Lady. Though I don't cook (I get no real joy out of it usually), every once in a while I feel inspired to try, and it is nice to have some recipes to butcher within an inch of their existence. By the way, where can I get some some of these "feast books" to which Sir Aengus referred (see Message 5)? > > YIS, > Ming Li > (who is feeling inspired to butcher some innocent recipe this week) From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 11:45:35 2008 From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Recipes & feast books In-Reply-To: <101520081531.25007.48F60CC100037527000061AF220702293307040902070309020E0896@comcast.net> Message-ID: <264474.19272.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Feast books are booklets of the recipes for an event, usually given out at the event. So to get them, you have to go to events where the cooks have provided them. Though I expect, if you asked nicely, some of the cooks who have produced them in the past might have spare copies (or electronic ones) that they could send you. Arianna --- On Wed, 10/15/08, zhangmingli at comcast.net wrote: where can I get some some of these "feast books" to which Sir Aengus referred? From muirgens at aol.com Wed Oct 15 12:42:18 2008 From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:42:18 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAFCFC1F218B27-52C-841@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> Thanks, Tristan.? This is a good idea.? I don't know if you heard, but there was so much discussion at Curia that Caryl suggested a meeting solely to cover this issue.? Date and time are TBD.? We might be able to host something in Pittsburgh.? Not convenient for Caryl, but my mother has a conference phone that she uses for board meetings that we could use so that she could be 'present'. Most of the people who were talking at the meeting were from the I-79 corridor so it might be good for most people. ~m~ -----Original Message----- From: Eric Minardi To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:06 pm Subject: [SCA-AE] NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES As this discussion has grown across multiple lists we have formed a eparate yahoo group to discuss these changes. This is so we won't eed to repeat ourselves and forward across lists. lease join this new "temporary" yahoo group for the discussion of urrent changes to Youth Policies. lease refrain from discussing these changes on other lists except to ost final decisions. his should help keep misunderstandings to a minimum. To join this list please take the following link: ttp://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ nd click the Join Group button. Sincerely, risten Sexwulf arl Marshal of ?thelmearc Quicumque est necesse pro malum praevaleo est pro bonus men efficio ihil." -------------This Yahoo Group's Mission Statement-------------------- e are here to discuss changing and finalizing the following proposal. Discussion is to remain objective, constructive, and polite. or you will be kicked from the list) Basically to sum up the proposal: ivision 3 authorizations = offer Single Handed Weapons (BSH) offer Two Handed Weapon (B2H) attan Weapon & Shield (RWS) attan Two Weapons (RTW) attan 2-handed weapons (R2H) All boffer weapons and boffer rules remain basically the same. biggest change is removing face thrusting as an authorization and ncluding it as a part of the standard authorizations) he rattan is in addition to the boffer authorizations and is ptional. eople can switch between any authorization they have in Div 3. offer cannot fight against Rattan...Rattan must yield or put rattan own and pick up an authorized boffer form to fight boffer. dult Youth Marshals and Parents authorized in Heavy Weapons can ight against Rattan Youths for the purpose of training and uthorizing. _________________________________________________________________________ ca-aethelmearc mailing list end general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. mail Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . isit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. hen replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. ________________________________________________________________________ From muirgens at aol.com Wed Oct 15 12:46:43 2008 From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:46:43 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES In-Reply-To: <8CAFCFC1F218B27-52C-841@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAFCFC1F218B27-52C-841@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CAFCFCBCD39C5F-52C-89C@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> Oops!? Not intended for the whole discussion list!? This was just a thought off the top of my head. Sorry for the time and space! ~m~ -----Original Message----- From: muirgens at aol.com To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES Thanks, Tristan.? This is a good idea.? I don't know if you heard, but there was o much discussion at Curia that Caryl suggested a meeting solely to cover this ssue.? Date and time are TBD.? We might be able to host something in ittsburgh.? 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This is so we won't ed to repeat ourselves and forward across lists. ease join this new "temporary" yahoo group for the discussion of rrent changes to Youth Policies. ease refrain from discussing these changes on other lists except to st final decisions. is20should help keep misunderstandings to a minimum. o join this list please take the following link: tp://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ d click the Join Group button. incerely, isten Sexwulf rl Marshal of ?thelmearc uicumque est necesse pro malum praevaleo est pro bonus men efficio hil." ------------This Yahoo Group's Mission Statement-------------------- are here to discuss changing and finalizing the following proposal. iscussion is to remain objective, constructive, and polite. r you will be kicked from the list) asically to sum up the proposal: vision 3 authorizations = ffer Single Handed Weapons (BSH) ffer Two Handed Weapon (B2H) ttan Weapon & Shield (RWS) ttan Two Weapons (RTW) ttan 2-handed weapons (R2H) ll boffer weapons and boffer rules remain basically the same. iggest change is removing face thrusting as an authorization and cluding it as a part of the standard authorizations) e rattan is in addition to the boffer authorizations and is tional. ople can switch between any authorization they have in Div 3. ffer cannot fight against Rattan...Rattan must yield or put rattan wn and pick up an authorized boffer form to fight boffer. ult Youth Marshals and Parents authorized in Heavy Weapons can ght against Rattan Youths for the purpose of training and thorizing. ________________________________________________________________________ a-aethelmearc mailing list nd general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. ail Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . sit https://li sts.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: ore info, archives, subscription changes, etc. en replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _______________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________ ca-aethelmearc mailing list end general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. mail Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . isit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. hen replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. ________________________________________________________________________ From katriona at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 15 12:47:43 2008 From: katriona at stny.rr.com (Kat Sulliivan) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:47:43 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Hunter's Moon details Message-ID: <3A7946A08D8E4B219E907C3369F6ADA5@meow> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Did anyone see the moon last night? Wow! The Shire of Hartstone will be holding it's annual Autumn event, known as Hunter's Moon on October 25, 2008 at the Dansville Fish and Game, Dansville, NY. It is time once again to harvest friendship and memories, fight by day, and make merry by the light of the moon! The day will offer a German theme, with various activities to reflect this, including Brewing activities led by Lord Magnus Jager. (Details) The feast will also have a German theme, with Schnitzel, Goulash, and more! The feast is capped at 50 people. The subtlety will be prepared by Lady Bridget de Kirkland. Martial activities offer a well rounded selection for your enjoyment, including heavy weapons, archery, and thrown weapons. Lord James of Hartstone will be assisted by Sir Wulfstan Huscarl in presenting a Combat Croquet Tournament and a Warlord Tournament. We have youth combat activities planned as well! There will be Bardic activities following the evenings repast. There will be a silent auction of pieces made by, or donated by, people who cared for Duke Morguhn to raise funds for Rowan and Meirwen. To all Brewers, Seamstresses, Painters, Jewelers; basically anyone that would like to volunteer their time to give the auction one or more items to be bid on. We have forms that can be mailed to be filled out,or if you wish to simply let me know by email, we will do that too. When you confirm that you are donating, please let me know what you are going to be donating, the size, and how much. There will also be two tags attached with the item at the auction - a tag with your name, both mundane and Scadian, with any other contact information you may want included. The other tag will have a green background with a gold star on one side, with Morguhn's dates on the other. Contact Info: Rosaleen Dhu aka Krys Gokey loneroze at yahoo.com or you may contact the autocrat for more information. Your autocrat for this event is Lady Katriona of the Groves (Kat Sullivan) katriona at stny.rr.com Phone (585)643-5438. Reservations may be sent to our reservations clerk Vicki Willis c/o Kat Sullivan at 19 Washington St. Dansville, NY 15537 The costs for this event are as follows: $7.00 per adult 18 and up, 6-17 will be $3.50, under 5 will be free. The $3.00 non member surcharge will be collected at the Troll. Cost of the feast will be $7.00 from 10 years old and up, under 10 eats for free. Pictures of the site can be viewed at: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Stonies/photos/browse/c3d2?c=3D Directions: Make your way to Interstate 390, to Dansville, NY. Take exit 4 and make a left at the bottom of the ramp. Turn right onto Gibson Street, and the entrance to the site will be on your right just past the top of the hill. There is a yahoo map on our event page (Hosted by Heronter) at: http://www.heronter.org/Events/huntersmoon.html From duane at velocity.net Wed Oct 15 13:11:50 2008 From: duane at velocity.net (duane at velocity.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES In-Reply-To: <8CAFCFC1F218B27-52C-841@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAFCFC1F218B27-52C-841@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <34743.66.211.194.39.1224090710.squirrel@www.velocity.net> I have been asked to and am providing a meeting room at the Gold Chain in Stormsport for a Youth Combat discussion. Take care, Alexander > Thanks, Tristan.?? This is a good idea.?? I don't know if you heard, but > there was so much discussion at Curia that Caryl suggested a meeting > solely to cover this issue.?? Date and time are TBD.?? We might be able to > host something in Pittsburgh.?? Not convenient for Caryl, but my mother > has a conference phone that she uses for board meetings that we could use > so that she could be 'present'. Most of the people who were talking at the > meeting were from the I-79 corridor so it might be good for most people. > > ~m~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Minardi > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:06 pm > Subject: [SCA-AE] NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES > > > > NEW YAHOO GROUP FOR DISCUSSION OF YOUTH POLICIES > As this discussion has grown across multiple lists we have formed a > eparate yahoo group to discuss these changes. This is so we won't > eed to repeat ourselves and forward across lists. > lease join this new "temporary" yahoo group for the discussion of > urrent changes to Youth Policies. > lease refrain from discussing these changes on other lists except to > ost final decisions. > his should help keep misunderstandings to a minimum. > To join this list please take the following link: > ttp://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ > nd click the Join Group button. > Sincerely, > risten Sexwulf > arl Marshal of ??thelmearc > Quicumque est necesse pro malum praevaleo est pro bonus men efficio > ihil." > -------------This Yahoo Group's Mission > Statement-------------------- > e are here to discuss changing and finalizing the following proposal. > Discussion is to remain objective, constructive, and polite. > or you will be kicked from the list) > Basically to sum up the proposal: > ivision 3 authorizations = > offer Single Handed Weapons (BSH) > offer Two Handed Weapon (B2H) > attan Weapon & Shield (RWS) > attan Two Weapons (RTW) > attan 2-handed weapons (R2H) > All boffer weapons and boffer rules remain basically the same. > biggest change is removing face thrusting as an authorization and > ncluding it as a part of the standard authorizations) > he rattan is in addition to the boffer authorizations and is > ptional. > eople can switch between any authorization they have in Div 3. > offer cannot fight against Rattan...Rattan must yield or put rattan > own and pick up an authorized boffer form to fight boffer. > dult Youth Marshals and Parents authorized in Heavy Weapons can > ight against Rattan Youths for the purpose of training and > uthorizing. > _________________________________________________________________________ > ca-aethelmearc mailing list > end general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > mail Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > isit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > hen replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > ________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From elady1 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 15 13:32:24 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:32:24 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Feast books In-Reply-To: References: <20081015133119.MBJM28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <20081015173229.KLJ8781.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> I did that. Had them at troll. No one asked. At 10:07 AM 10/15/2008, you wrote: >I too collect recipes. I have a fair number of feast booklets that I have >saved in a special section of a bookshelf (near the 3 shelves of antique and >'outdated' modern cookbooks) > >Speaking of feast books, I cannot recommend them highly enough to any head >cook! If the hosting group has the resources, and the head cook has the time >and inclination, please consider printing a handout/booklet with the >Feast/Lunch menu and the associated recipes you used to prepare same. > >I feel that they are a great reference for those who attend the feast as >well as a wonderful resource for those of us who try to reproduce the dishes >we enjoyed at home. > >Aengus > > > I can, but there are pictures for some of the > > preparation that help with the noodle part..... > > But I can post it to the list. I didn't think > > anyone else wanted any from crown since no one but Sir Aengus asked..... > > > > My apologies > > > > Erzebet > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >to the list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From katriona at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 15 13:38:40 2008 From: katriona at stny.rr.com (Kat Sulliivan) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:38:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Memorial Poem-Lyric for Duke Morguhn References: Message-ID: <4B5C0FF853B94702A62F0F77C92E3A97@meow> That was really beautiful! From amyheilveil at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:56:24 2008 From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:56:24 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Feast books In-Reply-To: <20081015173229.KLJ8781.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> References: <20081015133119.MBJM28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <20081015173229.KLJ8781.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <9e8e32f00810151056u15324e6eub59ad0dd2a34056b@mail.gmail.com> My husband has found it best usually to have a few at troll and then place them at the tables for feast. :) Despina de la no one ever asks for the important things at troll. *sigh* On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Liz Orwig wrote: > > I did that. Had them at troll. > No one asked. > > At 10:07 AM 10/15/2008, you wrote: >>I too collect recipes. I have a fair number of feast booklets that I have >>saved in a special section of a bookshelf (near the 3 shelves of antique and >>'outdated' modern cookbooks) >> >>Speaking of feast books, I cannot recommend them highly enough to any head >>cook! If the hosting group has the resources, and the head cook has the time >>and inclination, please consider printing a handout/booklet with the >>Feast/Lunch menu and the associated recipes you used to prepare same. >> >>I feel that they are a great reference for those who attend the feast as >>well as a wonderful resource for those of us who try to reproduce the dishes >>we enjoyed at home. >> >>Aengus >> >> > I can, but there are pictures for some of the >> > preparation that help with the noodle part..... >> > But I can post it to the list. I didn't think >> > anyone else wanted any from crown since no one but Sir Aengus asked..... >> > >> > My apologies >> > >> > Erzebet >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >>Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >>to the list. >>Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >>Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >>When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > Erzebet/Liz/Midge > > > People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to > discourage others. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- The Skilled Quill Beautiful documents for joyous occasions From caryl at faerhaga.org Wed Oct 15 14:12:33 2008 From: caryl at faerhaga.org (Caryl Biel) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:12:33 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Memorial Poem-Lyric for Duke Morguhn Message-ID: <200810151814.m9FIEnrl028713@mx3.andrew.cmu.edu> Yeah. Get him to sing it for you. Have a tissue ready. Caryl -----Original Message----- From: Kat Sulliivan That was really beautiful! From zhangmingli at comcast.net Wed Oct 15 14:23:58 2008 From: zhangmingli at comcast.net (zhangmingli at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:23:58 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Recipes & feast books Message-ID: <101520081823.7035.48F6353E000B200700001B7B220702455307040902070309020E0896@comcast.net> Thanks both Despina and Arianna for your prompt replies. I never knew that those were called feast books, then again, I've never gotten one. I was all excited that I would be able to find a bunch of recipes from different feasts in one place. It would be really cool if someone were to compile that information. YIS, Ming Li > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:42:16 -0400 > From: "Amy Heilveil" > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Recipes & feast books > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Message-ID: > <9e8e32f00810150842h2728a3d6yedbe8ab9aefaff28 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Ming Li, > > Generally feast booklets are produced for the feast and given out at > that specific feast - being seen as tokens for having attended. Feast > masters, however, are usually happy to provide email/electronic > versions of these to interested parties when asked. > > Smiles, > Despina de la married to a cooking guy > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM, wrote: > > Ni hao, > > > > I agree with this good Lady. Though I don't cook (I get no real joy out of it > usually), every once in a while I feel inspired to try, and it is nice to have > some recipes to butcher within an inch of their existence. By the way, where > can I get some some of these "feast books" to which Sir Aengus referred (see > Message 5)? > > > > YIS, > > Ming Li > > (who is feeling inspired to butcher some innocent recipe this week) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:45:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Karen Kasper > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Recipes & feast books > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Message-ID: <264474.19272.qm at web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Feast books are booklets of the recipes for an event, usually given out at the > event. So to get them, you have to go to events where the cooks have provided > them. Though I expect, if you asked nicely, some of the cooks who have produced > them in the past might have spare copies (or electronic ones) that they could > send you. > > Arianna > > --- On Wed, 10/15/08, zhangmingli at comcast.net wrote: > > where can I get some some of these "feast books" to which Sir Aengus > referred? ******************* From elady1 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 15 14:54:18 2008 From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:54:18 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Feast books In-Reply-To: <9e8e32f00810151056u15324e6eub59ad0dd2a34056b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20081015133119.MBJM28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <20081015173229.KLJ8781.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> <9e8e32f00810151056u15324e6eub59ad0dd2a34056b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081015185424.BPSO8781.omta01.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net> Since it was not a sit down feast, but an all day side board, troll was the best place to leave them. The sideboard area was close to the kitchen. Anyone could have come and asked for the recipes.... booklets, even the notes I put out. Ah well. Live and learn! Erzebet At 01:56 PM 10/15/2008, you wrote: >My husband has found it best usually to have a few at troll and then >place them at the tables for feast. :) > >Despina de la no one ever asks for the important things at troll. *sigh* > >On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Liz Orwig wrote: > > > > I did that. Had them at troll. > > No one asked. > > > > At 10:07 AM 10/15/2008, you wrote: > >>I too collect recipes. I have a fair number of feast booklets that I have > >>saved in a special section of a bookshelf (near the 3 shelves of > antique and > >>'outdated' modern cookbooks) > >> > >>Speaking of feast books, I cannot recommend them highly enough to any head > >>cook! If the hosting group has the resources, and the head cook > has the time > >>and inclination, please consider printing a handout/booklet with the > >>Feast/Lunch menu and the associated recipes you used to prepare same. > >> > >>I feel that they are a great reference for those who attend the feast as > >>well as a wonderful resource for those of us who try to reproduce > the dishes > >>we enjoyed at home. > >> > >>Aengus > >> > >> > I can, but there are pictures for some of the > >> > preparation that help with the noodle part..... > >> > But I can post it to the list. I didn't think > >> > anyone else wanted any from crown since no one but Sir Aengus asked..... > >> > > >> > My apologies > >> > > >> > Erzebet > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > >>Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > >>Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > >>to the list. > >>Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > >>Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > >>When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Erzebet/Liz/Midge > > > > > > People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to > > discourage others. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to > post to the list. > > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >-- >The Skilled Quill >Beautiful documents for joyous occasions >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >to the list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ Erzebet/Liz/Midge People too weak to follow their dreams will always find a way to discourage others. From justin.lymner at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 16:18:39 2008 From: justin.lymner at gmail.com (Justin Lymner) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:18:39 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Sekanjabin variations? In-Reply-To: <79C6FCFAB4F533FBE95BD130@192.168.2.4> References: <79C6FCFAB4F533FBE95BD130@192.168.2.4> Message-ID: <7be94e890810151318j7f142314sa6362390f45bd93b@mail.gmail.com> it also ferments into a lovely soft drink! Justin (try it with homemade vinegar!) On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Gretchen Beck wrote: > Of course, KWCB runs both Saturday AND Sunday, so you might still be able > to come :-) > > toodles, margaret > > --On Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:42 PM -0400 Aengus > wrote: > > > I cannot attend as I have a prior engagement at the Gold Chain Tourney > in > > Stormsport. > > > > Do you know who is teaching the class? > > > > Aengus > > > > > >> There is a sekanjabin class scheduled for Known World Cooks and Bards > the > >> second weekened in November. (plug, plug). > >> > >> toodles, margaret > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > > the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org. > > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From jbastian at stny.rr.com Wed Oct 15 17:38:38 2008 From: jbastian at stny.rr.com (Jennifer Bastian) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:38:38 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Looking for Her Grace Angelik Message-ID: <006c01c92f0e$62e7dd20$6801a8c0@ANDERSON> Please pardon the bandwidth- Could Her Grace Angelik please contact me off list, I believe your email must be bouncing. Margerite de la Marche projectmeek at gmail.com From ladyren at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:54:23 2008 From: ladyren at gmail.com (Karen Finnemore) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:54:23 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Amethyst Tournament Pre-Reg Message-ID: <4e6328420810151654s457031a7o4b5b58ca95e2dad0@mail.gmail.com> Please feel free to pass this along to other lists. If you are sending a reservation for the Amethyst Tournament and would like confirmation that it was received, either feel free to email me (ladyren*at*gmail*dot*com,) or include your email address or a phone number with your reservations and I will gladly confirm. In Service, Lady Renata Rouge, (known as the posh rot) Lady in Waiting to Her Grace, Tessa the Huntress Duchy of Prydes Keep -- The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. -George Carlin If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun. -- Katharine Hepburn Every fight is a food fight when you're a cannibal. -- Demetri Martin Hearing nuns' confessions is like being stoned to death with popcorn. --Fulton J. Sheen From matildabosvyle at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 21:55:25 2008 From: matildabosvyle at gmail.com (Matilda) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:55:25 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] =?windows-1252?q?ANNOUNCE=3A_Court_report_of_TRM=92s_Chr?= =?windows-1252?q?istopher_=26_Morgen_from_Harvest_Raid?= Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Court report of TRM's Christopher & Morgen from Harvest Raid on October 11th, A.S. 43 held in the Shire of Heronter in the presence of Their Heirs, TRH's Maynard & Liadain, as reported by THL Matilda Bosvyle de Bela Acqua, Silver Buccle, with the assistance of THLady Cigfran Caer Gwalch. Their Majesties were presented with a basket of 80 award medallions paid as taxes by the people of Heronter. Baroness Marguerite de la Marche and Duchess Dorinda Courtenay announced the winners of the day's Arts and Sciences' contest ?Brian Engler (Badger boy), and fencing tournament ? Don Iago Benitez. The remains of what was once Baron William Freskyn Murray and Baron Vladisla Nikulich presented themselves before the court to thank their families and members of their household for supporting them in their efforts to hold the heavy combat field against all challengers during the day. Vlad presented a Viking rowing chest, made by his own hand (with assistance), to one who had inspired him by his generosity: Sir Angus MacBain. William then spoke of the gentle who had inspired him to attempt this feat of arms, and presented a pine box, made by his hands, to Vlad. Baron Caleb Reynolds, standing in for Kingdom Archery Champion THLord Constantine Blackheart, announced the winner of the Champion's Shoot: Master Jacopo di Niccolo, who accepted the regalia of his station and took his place among the Their Majesties Champions (woodblock print scroll unsigned). Kingdom Thrown Weapons Champion, Lord Antonio de Luna announced the winner of the Champion's TW contest: Baron Caleb Reynolds who was delighted to return to Their Majesties service and join the retinue (woodblock print scroll unsigned). His Highness, Prince Maynard, expressed honor at having been asked by Their Majesties to run the Heavy Combat Champion's Tournament in place of His Grace, Duke Morguhn Sheridan, and was pleased to have conducted the multi-weapons challenge just as His Grace would have wished. Of the 41 entrants, the winner was Count Duncan von Halstern, who gladly accepted the duty of Kingdom Heavy Combat Champion (woodblock print scroll unsigned). Tiberius was Awarded Arms for his skill at heavy combat and willingness to do some of the heavy work off the field (scroll by Isabella Montoya). Isabele of Dunbar was Awarded Arms for her outstanding work as Royal liaison at several recent events and her many labors behind the scene (scroll by Rowan L'Crotha). Aaron the Swift (former known as Quinn) received a Silver Buccle for his service as a youth combatant. Lady Mary Elizabeth Classon was created a companion of the Order of the Sycamore for her calligraphy and teaching of scribal arts (scroll illum Gwyneth of Newtonhill, calig Gillian of Ravenspur, words Isolda filia Georgii). Don Iago Benitez was summoned before the Court due to his many years of service to this Kingdom, and was issued a writ to seek out the wisdom of the Peers and return to Their Majesties to answer if he will accept elevation to the noble Order of the Pelican. Their Majesties called forth the Order and requested they escort the candidate and give him such advice to aid his decision (scroll by Dorinda Courtenay). THLord Hrothgeirr Ivarsson knelt before the Court as Their Majesties credited him with quiet pursuit of heavy combat from which he seemed to derive and great deal of enjoyment. They charged him to appear before Them at 12th Night to sit vigil in contemplation of elevation to the Order of Chivalry. Their Majesties called forth the companions of said Order to council and escort him from the hall (scroll by Antoinette de la Croix). Their Majesties invited Their Graces, Duchess Rowan de la Garnison and Duchess Meirwen ferch Owen to join Them before the assembled populace, who rose as one in their presence. His Majesties valiantly attempted to express to them His own personal grief at the passing of His Grace, Duke Morghun, as well as the sorrow of the entire Kingdom. As They had planned to do so from the beginning of Their reign, King Christopher and Queen Morgen, issued Duke Sir Morghun Sheridan an Augmentation of Arms with a canton of the AEthelmearc Kingdom Arms (scroll by Arianna of Wynthrope). Court was closed. From olafandaine at twcny.rr.com Thu Oct 16 06:28:08 2008 From: olafandaine at twcny.rr.com (Kristin & Rick Reichert) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:28:08 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Thank you!!! Message-ID: Greetings! I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you to the many wonderful people who donated to this past weekend's silent auction in memory of His Grace Morguhn Sheridan at Harvest Raid. The Kingdom?s generosity was breathtaking, with 62 items donated in all! There were several items donated anonymously but I would like for those citizens to not be forgotten. I thank all of you. I also wanted to thank those of you who reached into your pockets and bought tickets. We raised more during the raffle then I had imagined possible, collecting in excess of $1300. I found everyone's kindness and generosity humbling. I am very proud to live in the great kingdom that is AEthelmearc. Thank you!!! Donors listed below(in no particular order). I apologize if I have missed anyone. Please forgive any spelling errors. Maguerite De Neufchateau Desiderata Drake Failenn ingen Cernaich Justin Lymner Sibyl Cairnfalcon Edward Harbinger Artemius Andreas Magnus Clarice Roan Felicity Flubmullnerin Frederich Flubmullnerin Roberta Rhiannon McMorland Alaxandair O'Conchobhair Olafr Thorvardarson Diana Smith Captain John Michael Thorpe Boris Dragonsbane Aiden Ransford Rian Giortryan Jenna MacPherson Isabeau de l'Isle Robin Wallace Gwyneth Fayrfax William Cavendish Katryna Deerhood Rebyn Fionnghuala Na Liusa Linne Christopher Rawlins Morgen of Rye Lothin Vickarsson Sabina de Lyon Mistress Irene Margerite de la Marche I would also like to thank the wonderful herald (whose name I did not get to write down and now currently evades me) who called the winning tickets. Additionally, I thank those that helped me set up- Isabeau de l'Isle and Rachel Sivak. Thank you!!! In Service, Aine inghean Riocaird House Anephedros From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Thu Oct 16 11:35:22 2008 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:35:22 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: FW: [Announcements] Position Open-Society Exchequer repost Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ POSITION ANNOUNCMENT SOCIETY EXCHEQUER The Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) is seeking candidates for the position of Society Exchequer. This position reports to the SCA Treasurer who reports to the SCA Board of Directors. The Society Exchequer is responsible for delivering and meeting deadlines for the following: 1) Compile the Society Domesday report, grouped by state and kingdom, with depreciation breakout, and submission of these reports to the Corporate Accountant; 2) Maintain the Kingdom domesday report template spreadsheets and distribute them for each year to the Kingdom Exchequers; 3) Track Corporate NMS reporting by payment, and event including attendance (may be delegated); 4) Track and review quarterly reports on Kingdom accounts; 5) Review Kingdom Financial Policies and submit to the Society Treasurer and the Board for approval; 6) Review Interkingdom Event Financial Policies and submit to the Society Treasurer and the Board for approval; 7) Report quarterly to the Corporate Treasurer and the Board of Directors and report the meeting results to the Kingdom Exchequers; 8) Travel as required to support Kingdom Exchequers, including for training, book reviews, and theft investigations; 9) Conduct supplemental training of Kingdom Exchequers and assist training of local exchequers; 10) Conduct reviews of Kingdom books at least once every two years or when a Kingdom office changes hands (may be delegated); 11) Maintain the Kingdom Exchequer email list; 12) Maintain the general exchequer email list; 13) Notify Kingdom Exchequers of any changes in policy or procedure, including consulting with them to develop any necessary new policies; 14) Maintain the various exchequer handbooks/manuals and republish them at least every three years; 15) Maintain the various exchequer reporting forms and update them as needed; 16) Serve as subject matter expert for questions from the kingdom exchequers as well as the general populace; 17) Warrant Kingdom Exchequers and special deputies; and 18) Communicate with banks where necessary. In addition, the Society Exchequer must deal with international financial reporting issues where affiliations do not exist. The Society Exchequer receives a stipend for their services on a 1099 basis. Required for this position are: dependable email access; dependable phone access; moderate Microsoft Excel proficiency; moderate Microsoft Word proficiency; and the ability to clearly communicate via email, phone, and in written reports. Prior experience as an exchequer in the SCA is required; prior kingdom exchequer experience is highly desired. Working knowledge of SCA's accounting procedures is necessary. Those individuals with accounting backgrounds or training are highly desired. Hours required will vary but expect to put in an average of 15 hours per week. Those interested in the Position of Society Exchequer should submit their SCA and modern era resumes to resumes at sca.org and exchequer at sca.org by December 1, 2008, with a hard copy sent to the Corporate Office. -- Patrick Anderson President Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. president at sca.org 952-412-4112 Comments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to: SCA Inc. Box 360789 Milpitas, CA 95036 You may also email comments at lists.sca.org. This announcement is an official informational release by the Society for Creative Anachronism , Inc. Permission is granted to reproduce this announcement in its entirety in newsletters, websites and electronic mailing lists. _______________________________________________ Announcements mailing list To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: http://lists.sca.org/listinfo/announcements To change the email address you receive these messages at, visit the URL listed above, subscribe to with your new email address. Once this is completed, return to the URL listed above and unsubscribe your old email address. From sunshadow at twcny.rr.com Thu Oct 16 23:39:52 2008 From: sunshadow at twcny.rr.com (F. Page Steinhardt) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:39:52 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Metalsmiths Symposium Class list and booklet Message-ID: <48F80908.2050805@twcny.rr.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Below is the class list and revised schedule for the metal symposium in Myrkfaelinn on Saturday. I have put a PDF of the complete booklet the web at http://www.sunshadowdesign.com/aemetalsmiths/symposiumbooklet.pdf for people wanting more complete information. the shedule will help plan in advance for people who want to make sure they do not miss certain classes. People will want to look at the booklet as well to find out which classes have limits on class size so they can be sure to sign up early (signups will be at troll) Come, have fun, learn to make beautiful things! In Service, THL John Michael Thorpe METALSMITH SYMPOSIUM Sponsored by the ?thelmearc Royal Guild of Metalsmiths October 18, AS XLIII Graciously hosted by the Dominion of Myrkfaelinn at Veternaetur 2nd Article of the Charter of the ?thelmearc Royal Guild of Metalsmiths: ..That the Guild shall encourage the learning and demonstration of the arts and mysteries of metalworking and all its related skills. The Guild shall serve as a resource for our Sylvan Kingdom for these arts, and its members shall be charged with the responsibility of sharing their knowledge and skills with all those who may wish to approach them for this purpose. SCHEDULE OF CLASSES Class Area 1 11:00-12:00 Copperworking for Decoration Lord Taranach McLeod 12:00-12:30 (no class scheduled) 12:30-2:00 Piercing and SawWork Maggie 2:00-3:30 Jewelry Engraving Master Simon De Okewode 3:30-5:00 Jewelry soldering and other forms of connections Master Erwillian MacFergus Class Area 2 11:00-12:00 Beginning Drop Spinning Lady Elena Lytle 12:00-1:00 The History and Construction of a Viking Axe THL ?l?fr ?orvar?arson 1:00-2:00 Engraving TW Moran 2:00-3:00 Viking Wireweaving Lady Lillian Lytle 3:00-5:00 Glass Bead Making Lady Carowyn Silveroak Forge Area 11:00-1:00 Ironworking TW Moran 1:00-2:00 Beginning Pewtercasting Lord Corwyn Ravenwing 2:00-4:00 Practical Bladesmithing THL John Michael Thorpe 4:00-5:00 Practical Heat Treating and Knife Finishing THL John Michael Thorpe Lady Carowyn Silveroak Glass Bead Making Guildmistress - East Kingdom Metalsmiths Guild Lady Lillian Lytle Viking Wireweaving Lord Corwyn Ravenwing Beginning Pewtercasting Lady Elena Lytle Beginning Drop Spinning Lady Carowyn, Lady Lillian, Lord Corwyn and Lady Elena graciously traveled from the East Kingdom to share with us their knowledge of craftsmanship. We bid them welcome and thank them for making this journey. Maggie Piercing and SawWork Maggie is presently a most industrious Apprentice to Master Erwillian. She can be found selling their creations at Future Relics in Okewode Hall at Pennsic. Master Simon de Okewode Jewelry Engraving Master Simon creates wonders in metal, wood and clay, and is one of the principal architects of Casa Bardicci and Okewode Hall. He can be found at Pennsic throwing pots at his shop, Gode Erthe Pottes in Okewode Hall. Master Erwillian MacFergus Jewelry soldering and other forms of connections Master Erwillian was the first Sylvan Bard of Aethelmearc, made so during the reign of Morguhn and Meirwen (I), and devotes a great deal of time, energy and resources to fostering the arts in Aethelmearc, most notably through his association with Casa Bardicci. When not engaging in bardic ventures, Master Erwillian creates wondrous works of metal and stone, which can be found at his shop, Future Relics (www.futurelics.com/shop), located in Okewode Hall at Pennsic. THL ?l?fr ?orvar?arson The History and Construction of a Viking Axe ?l?fr has been forging for about 2 years Projects that he has worked on include basic metal working items such as tent stakes as well as bladesmithing (knives and axes) and sand casting. He has participated in forging pattern welded billets as well as creating other structural forge welds. All of the forge work he has done to date has been with propane fueled forges. Lord Taranach McLeod Asst. Simona Evangelista de Fuscaldo Copperworking for decoration Lord Taranach, in the SCA for 15 years, one of founding members of Shadowclans, architect and one of the builders of Pennsic fort. Metal, leather and wood worker for over 25 years. Tisan; Thurlog, aka Tw Moran Iron work; engraving Tw Moran, 18 + years in SCA. 30 years as a metal smith runs the Livonia Smithery, http://www.livoniasmithery.com Has produced Museum reproductions for Colonial Williamsburg and Monticello. Currently working on more for Monticello ( Home of Thomas Jefferson ) and will be making items for the Montpelier restoration ( Home of James Madison ) THL John Michael Thorpe Practical Bladesmithing; Practical Heat Treating and Knife Finishing THL John Michael Thorpe has been in the SCA 26 years, starting out as a heavy fighter at 15 (back when you could actually do that) then a fencer, fencing marshal, and group seneschal. He founded the Royal guild of AEthelmearc Metalsmiths during the reign of Malcolm II and Tessa II. Mundanely, Page Steinhardt has been Metalsmithing one way or another for 21 years, (mostly self taught, but went to work in a jewelry repair shop at 19 for a year to learn and refine skills, and has worked as a bench goldsmith professionally) and knifemaker. From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com Fri Oct 17 08:52:16 2008 From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:52:16 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: FW: [Announcements] Renaissance Magazine Special-Repost Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. 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From Jennifer.Strobel at bnymellon.com Fri Oct 17 10:42:37 2008 From: Jennifer.Strobel at bnymellon.com (Strobel Jennifer J) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:42:37 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: From the A&S Ministry - Website Changes In-Reply-To: <48F80908.2050805@twcny.rr.com> References: <48F80908.2050805@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <52089A4ABE370D40827316ADBC1F0FC501510ECD@E2K3MAIL1514.mellonbank.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ To the subjects of the Kingdom of Aethelmearc does Odriana vander Brugghe bid greetings. Master Christofano's professional and personal life has taken off to such a degree that he is no longer able to maintain the A&S Ministry website. The A&S Ministry would like to thank Master Christofano for his service to the Kingdom and to the A&S community. His efforts are and were appreciated and we are very sad to see him have to step away. He will be greatly missed. As an interim measure, Lord Iain mac an Bhaird will be taking over the administration of the website until such time as we can find a permanent webminister for the site. To that ends, we are actively searching for a webminister for the A&S website. The job includes the following duties: 1. Make updates to the front page of the aeans.org domain at minimum every two weeks. 2. Post the bio and picture of the Artisan of the Month on the first weekend of each month, except for August. 3. Seek out additional biography information/photographs for the artisan's listing and updating the listing with that information on a monthly basis. 4. Build and maintain webpages as needed by the request of the A&S Ministry. 5. All other tasks associated with maintaining a website. 6. Submit quarterly reports to the Kingdom Webminister as per the webminister policy. The skills and requirements for this position are: 1. To have at least an intermediate knowledge of HTML and CSS. 2. Have good communications skills. 3. Be detail oriented. 4. Work well as part of a team. 5. Be knowledgeable about the webminister policies of the SCA. (the latest policy information is located at http://www.aethelmearc.org/downloads/webminister/webministers_policy.pdf ) 6. Be a paying member of SCA, Inc. The aeans.org webpage is the voice of the A&S Ministry on the internet and is an important communications tool for the A&S community. Its smooth and regular functioning is essential to the overall success of the Kingdom A&S Ministry. If you are interested in the position or if you would like more information please contact me, Odriana vander Brugghe, at jenn.strobel(at)gmail(dot)com. Updates will be made over the next several days to catch things up, including the posting of the Artisan of the Month for October, Lady Sophie Davenport. Thank you again to Lord Iain for stepping up to assist the Ministry. I thank you all for your patience as we go through this transition. OVB The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. Access, copying or re-use of the e-mail or any attachment, or any information contained therein, by any other person is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient please return the e-mail to the sender and delete it from your computer. Although we attempt to sweep e-mail and attachments for viruses, we do not guarantee that either are virus-free and accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of viruses. Please refer to http://disclaimer.bnymellon.com/eu.htm for certain disclosures relating to European legal entities. From greenstein at earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 12:02:53 2008 From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:02:53 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Known World Cooks & Bards classes posted References: Message-ID: <520EF0CB92DC4479B65E0E7B7A09A2B6@vgg.local> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings, all, from Michael Alewright, bardic class coordinator for Known World Cooks & Bards. A preliminary list of classes is now posted to our web site: check out what awaits you! http://www.cooksandbards.aethelmearc.org/classes.html Also, a reminder: if you want to teach, today is the last day to register your class. Today is also the last day to submit articles and class handouts to the Proceedings. Any class proposals received after today are strictly catch-as-catch-can, with no guarantees. In service, Michael From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 19 14:41:07 2008 From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:41:07 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Items found at Harvest Raid Message-ID: <009e01c9321a$3fd6f3c0$6501a8c0@hppav> Thank you all for your help in cleaning up this year. There was almost nothing left! But here are the items sitting in my dining room that don't belong to me: grey and black patterned dress or long tunic brown modern belt set of chopsticks or hair sticks? set of keys single key brown pottery plate with blue spiral pattern green/blue pottery mug cream colored pottery mug with a peerage design on it Please let me know if I can reunite you with any of these items. Dorinda Courtenay From katriona at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 19 17:37:57 2008 From: katriona at stny.rr.com (Kat Sulliivan) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:37:57 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Merchanting at Hunter's Moon Message-ID: <71911C80B0844AE6A1E718DFC52B6B18@meow> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Hi all! I just wanted to mention we still have merchant space available at Hunter's Moon. There is no fee to merchant at this event. Drop me an email if you are interested! katriona at stny.rr.com Kat From lori at tigerfire.net Sun Oct 19 22:02:27 2008 From: lori at tigerfire.net (Lori) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:02:27 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Veternaetur lost and found and thanks Message-ID: <200810200159.m9K1xH5t025949@mx3.andrew.cmu.edu> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ First off I would like to thank all the wonderful populous who came out and made this a great event. I would especially like to thank Capt. John Michael Thorpe and the Ae Metalsmiths Guild for putting on such a great symposium. Much was learned by many. I would not have been able to pull it off the event without my staff - the unbelievable feastocrat - Reyni-Hrefna, my ever patient Children's minster -Magdalena de Mayfeld, my troll/exchequer who put up with my crazy feast reservation system Rhiannon y Bwa, and her assistant Buddha, my marshals for the day -John the Pell on the heavy list and Mariana Maria Pietrosanti who froze in the pole barn keeping the archers happy. Of course I can't forget all of the rest of the myrkies who help keep the event running smoothly and helped clean up afterwards! Thanks all! Now on the the Lost and Found Found: Scottish Kilt/clock pin white table cloth modern camp chair Lost: a silver claddagh earring If you accidently brought the earring home or know who the found items belong to, please contact me. Again Thanks to all who attended and I can't wait to see you at our next event! Gytha Oggsdottir ~Autocrat From sunshadow at twcny.rr.com Sun Oct 19 22:21:05 2008 From: sunshadow at twcny.rr.com (F. Page Steinhardt) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Metalsmiths Symposium Thanks Message-ID: <48FBEB11.4030209@twcny.rr.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ On behalf of the Royal Guild of AEthlmearc Metalsmiths I would like to give thanks to all who made the Guild's first metalsmith's symposium a great success. First, I would like to thank the good people of The Dominion of Myrkfaelinn who were gracious enough to allow the Metalsmith's Symposium to happen at their event. Secondly, I would like to thank the other teachers, Lady Carowyn Silveroak, Lady Lillian Lytle, Lord Corwyn Ravenwing, Lady Elena Lytle, and Lady Carowyn, who graciously traveled from the East Kingdom to share with us their knowledge of craftsmanship. Maggie McCleod (pardon me if I misspelled your name) who was teaching for the first time, Tw Moran, Master Erwillian MacFergus, Master Simon de Okewode, and THL ?l?fr ?orvar?arson. Without your generous donation of time and willingness to teach, and in some cases travel long distances, the event would not have been a success. I would like to thank Alexander for assisting me with the bladeforging class, when I needed an experienced second pair of hands he was eager to jump right in. Once things got rolling (we had a bit of a slow start) it looked like all of the classes were well attended. We had classes in jewelry, forging, glass bead making, Viking Wire Weaving, and even Drop Spindle spinning. I heard that there was also instruction on period Viking dance techniques. And on a personal note, I would like to thank my wife Fionnghuala inghean Diarmada for the time and work she put in, including designing and composing the symposium flyer and helping with final adjustments on-site while I was setting up and teaching. In service, THL John Michael Thorpe Guildmaster. From karstyl at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 09:41:06 2008 From: karstyl at gmail.com (Karstyl) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:41:06 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Veternaetur Feast Thanks Message-ID: <48FC8A72.8040607@gmail.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings all, I would like to thank all the kind gentles who helped me get keep everyone fed on Saturday. Thanks to Lord Nicholas of Windreach, for being a great pit guy and letting me not worry about the ribs. And to Lord Aiden Ramsford, Baron Oeric Lestrange, Valter, Lord Justin Lymner, Lady Ang Malone, THL Solveig Throndardottir, Muir y Curwyll, Lady Astraya Royachevicha, Lady Christine inghean Griogar, Caitlynn of Myrkfaelinn, and Ana Krasa Royachevich, plus many others who helped with the cooking, without them there is no way this feast would have happened. A special thanks to Valter, who not only helped with the cooking, but was washing dishes most of the day. And a final thanks to my servers, who's names passed through my mind way too quickly. Their help plating and serving dinner helped make my vision of a viking feast come to life, and their company during the feast helped lift my tired soul. I am very sorry if I forgot someone who helped, or misspelled a name, it does not mean that I am not thankful to you, I am indeed very thankful for all the help. -Lady Reyni-Hrefna, Head Cook, Veternaetur ** ** From lori at tigerfire.net Mon Oct 20 13:12:20 2008 From: lori at tigerfire.net (Lori) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:12:20 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Veternaetur thanks Take 2 Message-ID: <200810201709.m9KH98Kh009333@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ I almost forget my stealth staff -Muirenn ingen ui Muirchertaig - the MOL. She did her job so well, that I almost forgot she was there!!! Thanks! Gygtha From euriol at ptd.net Mon Oct 20 13:36:46 2008 From: euriol at ptd.net (Euriol of Lothian) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:36:46 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Fasching Message-ID: <019701c932da$6cb79640$4626c2c0$@net> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings all, This is just a gentle reminder that it is but 12 days until Fasching! Feast seats are going fast, so please send in your reservations as soon as possible. There will be off-board space available for those who wish to enjoy all the festivities, but not partake of the feast. The full event announcement can be found at http://www.endlesshills.aethelmearc.net/index_files/fasching.htm I am excited to announce that Cave Canum will be performing at Fasching this year. There are two special fundraisers that are happening at Fasching this year. The first is our annual participation in the "Toys for Tots" campaign. Lady Luminista and Lady Giovanna are organizing this fundraiser by providing two donation boxes will be placed nearby the site entrance, one for "toys" for 0-5 year age range the other for 6-13 year age range. The second fundraiser being organized by Lady Giovanna is a silent auction to help the Graham Academy in Luzerne County, a unique new school designed for children with sensory processing or developmental challenges (http://www.thegrahamacademy.com). Two new activites that have been added to the event are: Paper-cutting for children. Lady Luminista will show the children the art of paper-cutting, known as Scherenschnitte, which reportedly was founded in Switzerland and Germany during the 16th century. Lady Luminista will have the children making snow flakes to help decorate our feast hall. There will be a neep carving contest for children of all ages! THL Katernya ty Isaf has been working on a delectable feast for everyone. The menu is as follows: A Feast for the End of Harvest First course Shrymps (Shrimp, salt, cider vinegar) Simple Salat (Field greens, cabbage, olive oil, vinegar, salt) Oyle soppes (Onion, beer, beef broth, bread, olive oil, saffron) Makerouns (Egg noodles, cheese) Peti Pernantes (Dough, currants, egg, sugar, ginger, apple cider, oatmeal) Second course Roast Fillet of Beef (Beef, Egg, Onion, Red wine vinegar, parsley, salt, pepper, butter) Gourds in Potage (Beef broth, pork, butternut squash, onion, sugar, ginger, clove, cinnamon) Chyches (chick peas, olive oil, garlic, pepper, saffron) Ryse of flesh (rice, beef broth, milk, almond, saffron, salt) Fruays (bread, apple, white wine, egg, sugar, ginger, galingale, clove, cinnamon) Third course Flaumpens (Pork, cheese, lard, flour, salt, pepper, egg) Brawn en Peuerade (Chicken, red wine, cinnamon, clove, mace, onion, pepper, red wine vinegar) Cariota (carrot, white wine, vinegar, olive oil, parsley, chives) Funges (mushroom, leek, chicken broth, saffron, salt, cinnamon, clove, ginger, sugar) Pears (pears, sugar, cinnamon, ginger) From euriol at ptd.net Mon Oct 20 13:36:46 2008 From: euriol at ptd.net (Euriol of Lothian) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:36:46 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Fasching Message-ID: <019701c932da$6cb79640$4626c2c0$@net> Greetings all, This is just a gentle reminder that it is but 12 days until Fasching! Feast seats are going fast, so please send in your reservations as soon as possible. There will be off-board space available for those who wish to enjoy all the festivities, but not partake of the feast. The full event announcement can be found at http://www.endlesshills.aethelmearc.net/index_files/fasching.htm I am excited to announce that Cave Canum will be performing at Fasching this year. There are two special fundraisers that are happening at Fasching this year. The first is our annual participation in the "Toys for Tots" campaign. Lady Luminista and Lady Giovanna are organizing this fundraiser by providing two donation boxes will be placed nearby the site entrance, one for "toys" for 0-5 year age range the other for 6-13 year age range. The second fundraiser being organized by Lady Giovanna is a silent auction to help the Graham Academy in Luzerne County, a unique new school designed for children with sensory processing or developmental challenges (http://www.thegrahamacademy.com). Two new activites that have been added to the event are: Paper-cutting for children. Lady Luminista will show the children the art of paper-cutting, known as Scherenschnitte, which reportedly was founded in Switzerland and Germany during the 16th century. Lady Luminista will have the children making snow flakes to help decorate our feast hall. There will be a neep carving contest for children of all ages! THL Katernya ty Isaf has been working on a delectable feast for everyone. The menu is as follows: A Feast for the End of Harvest First course Shrymps (Shrimp, salt, cider vinegar) Simple Salat (Field greens, cabbage, olive oil, vinegar, salt) Oyle soppes (Onion, beer, beef broth, bread, olive oil, saffron) Makerouns (Egg noodles, cheese) Peti Pernantes (Dough, currants, egg, sugar, ginger, apple cider, oatmeal) Second course Roast Fillet of Beef (Beef, Egg, Onion, Red wine vinegar, parsley, salt, pepper, butter) Gourds in Potage (Beef broth, pork, butternut squash, onion, sugar, ginger, clove, cinnamon) Chyches (chick peas, olive oil, garlic, pepper, saffron) Ryse of flesh (rice, beef broth, milk, almond, saffron, salt) Fruays (bread, apple, white wine, egg, sugar, ginger, galingale, clove, cinnamon) Third course Flaumpens (Pork, cheese, lard, flour, salt, pepper, egg) Brawn en Peuerade (Chicken, red wine, cinnamon, clove, mace, onion, pepper, red wine vinegar) Cariota (carrot, white wine, vinegar, olive oil, parsley, chives) Funges (mushroom, leek, chicken broth, saffron, salt, cinnamon, clove, ginger, sugar) Pears (pears, sugar, cinnamon, ginger) From philm at buffalo.com Tue Oct 21 08:59:40 2008 From: philm at buffalo.com (Phil Martino) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:59:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Ice Dragon March 28th Event & Website Updates Message-ID: <20081021125940.3DD42837DC@ws4-3.us4.outblaze.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings, It was a real pleasure to walk through the new venue for Ice Dragon 2009. It's very exciting to imagine Ice Dragon under one big roof, no need to walk outside to travel the entire event site. For those that have never been to the WNY Event Center it is a large and beautiful modern facility with a very SCA charm to it. We are happy to announce that there will be a Post Court Dance Party in the planning stages. We are also happy to announce a Games area for Children and Adults as well. The M.O.F. Lord Filipo challenges all to a game of Simon Says in this area. The game time will be posted later. The rules for the Table Top Siege Engine Contest has been posted on the event website. http://www.ice-dragon.info This looks like it's going to a grand affair. YIS The Ice Dragon Staff -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.buffalo.com From de_labarre at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 15:14:25 2008 From: de_labarre at yahoo.com (Eric France) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Renaissance Magazine Message-ID: <677214.85099.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> RenMag this month has a photo essay on this past Pennsic, including some nice pix of Yama Kaminari peoples. Eric From de_labarre at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 15:15:38 2008 From: de_labarre at yahoo.com (Eric France) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Renaissance Magazine Message-ID: <148058.85805.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh yeah, they're by Darter. Eric From celticbardess at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 16:54:51 2008 From: celticbardess at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9adaoin_ingen_Chanac=E1in?=) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Renaissance Magazine In-Reply-To: <677214.85099.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <971834.9923.qm@web53003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Neat! If it's still available, you might also be able to purchase a back issue from 1996 or 1997 (I don't remember the month). While the main theme of the issue is Chivalry and the Art of Courtly Love, there is a fairly large sized article (I think maybe 4-6 pages) on Pennsic. It even includes a "Must-Have" list of things to pack. I still have mine. I bought it while still in high school, and I like to look at the article every year or so and giggle. Eadaoin Following my Fish, Keirin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would you kill him in his bed? Thrust a dagger through his head? I would not, could not, kill the King. I could not do that evil thing. I would not wed this girl, you see. Now get her to a nunnery. ~ Green Eggs and Hamlet ~ --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Eric France wrote: > From: Eric France > Subject: [SCA-AE] Renaissance Magazine > To: "SCA-AE" > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:14 PM > RenMag this month has a photo essay on this past Pennsic, > including some nice pix of Yama Kaminari peoples. > > Eric > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From jenn.strobel at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 19:56:00 2008 From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Artisan of the Month for September In-Reply-To: <2ae6b4a90808291746m725c62a8oa78abcb47f089453@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ae6b4a90808291746m725c62a8oa78abcb47f089453@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ae6b4a90810211656g790c55c5t425fd699418d12d8@mail.gmail.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ To the subjects of the Sylvan Kingdom of AEthelmearc does Odriana vander Brugghe bid greetings. I am pleased, and belated, to announce the Artisan of the Month for October, Lady Sophie Davenport. Please go to http://www.aeans.org/artisans/aotm/aotm/aotm.htm to learn more about her. If you would like to nominate someone as the Artisan or Scientist of the Month, please contact me via email at jenn.strobel(at)gmail.com and include the following information: 1. Your name and contact information. 2. The name of the nominee. 3. Information about the art or science that the nominee does. 4. Information about the nominee. 5. A way to contact the nominee (email or phone). Anyone can be the Artisan or Scientist of the Month. If you have any questions about the artisan of the month, or if you would like to nominate someone, please contact me. On this, the twenty-first of October, two thousand and eight. From the verdant northern region of the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands. I remain. OVB -- "Heer, houd Uw arm om mijn schouder, en Uw hand over mijn mond." From iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net Tue Oct 21 20:29:14 2008 From: iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net (Iain mac an Bhaird) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:29:14 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Sir Koredono Message-ID: <200810220026.m9M0QJdd018872@mx2.andrew.cmu.edu> Please pardon the bandwidth... Sir Koredono, my emails do not seem to be reaching you. Please contact me at your earliest convenience. Thanks, -Iain AE Webminister From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 22:30:31 2008 From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Artisan of the Month for September In-Reply-To: <2ae6b4a90810211656g790c55c5t425fd699418d12d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44763.6691.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Odriana, ? I would like to nominate Pearce Redsmythe of the Dominion of Myrkfaelinn for artisan of the month.? He was named Kingdom A & S Champion at Coronation for the magnificent county coronets he made for Khalek and Branwyn. In addition to the coronets themselves, he also had an extensive booklet documenting their construction on display. The coronets were exquisitely made and his knowledge during my discussions with him was extensive. He also made a Laurel medallion for Mistress Bidgette Kelly MacLean which I had the pleasure of examining at Pennsic. I don't really know how to describe it; Bridgette could do so better than I could, but it has a whole lot of pieces that fit together in various configurations like a puzzle, and it is just gorgeous. Pearce moved here from Atenveldt five years ago, but only recently became truly active in the Kingdom after he was able to free up his Saturdays which were previously devoted to work. He's a pleasant and friendly fellow who is obviously becoming an asset to our Kingdom. ? I do not have his contact information, but Bridgette probably does: Bridgette is on LJ as evilapprentice and her bio on the Fleur page has her email as mariecelt at gmail.com. She will know how to contact Pearce, and can also probably tell you more about her Laurel medallion in specific and his work in general.. Arianna From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 22:37:58 2008 From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Artisan of the Month for September In-Reply-To: <44763.6691.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <604526.12407.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oops, sorry folks, that was meant to go to Odriana. ? Well, I am embarrassed. Arianna From myfanwy at nauticom.net Wed Oct 22 15:22:20 2008 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] Message-ID: <52145.209.195.147.252.1224703340.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! A friend of mine forwarded this to Alastar & me, and I figured that everyone on the list would get a kick out of it as well. (It's about the only good thing that's happened today so far.) Enjoy! Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... From: kjknkl at att.net Date: Wed, October 22, 2008 12:11 pm To: "Rachel Keeler" "zak" "Tammy & Uncle Frank" "Steve & Ruth M" "Rose" "Jim & Stormy" "Emmet Jane" "dave mills" "Bink new" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And for those of us with big rocks in our yards that we'd like to turn into architectural features, of practical interest! Kim -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "H. Bryan Werner" To: "Friends" Subject: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:01:35 +0000 Stonehenge mystery solved? For hundreds, maybe thousands of years, people have been trying to figure out how primitive people could build huge structures such as Stonehenge and the pyramids out of stone blocks weighing thousands of pounds. Scientists have been stumped. Then along comes a normal guy - a retired construction worker - and he says "well, I would do it like this." And he does. This guy uses the simplest tools known to man and shows how simple and easy it would have been to create Stonehenge . This is a really great video clip. amazing how this guy could figure out something that has confounded scholars for centuries. And not only figures it out, but demonstrates it! This guy could build a replica of Stonehenge single-handedly, while a committee of 20 or 30 Civil Engineering professors from leading universities would be debating how it might be done. ' Stonehenge Reloaded'. You have got to see this.... http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks From ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 16:43:56 2008 From: ladykathrynmcluing at gmail.com (kathy kemmish) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:43:56 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] In-Reply-To: <52145.209.195.147.252.1224703340.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> References: <52145.209.195.147.252.1224703340.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <540ddc010810221343k38453fa3h17670af230cf4302@mail.gmail.com> Now that is absolutely amazing. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM, wrote: > Greetings from Myfanwy! > A friend of mine forwarded this to Alastar & me, and I figured that > everyone on the list would get a kick out of it as well. (It's about the > only good thing that's happened today so far.) > Enjoy! > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon > Ruth Morrisson > myfanwy at nauticom.net > > > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... > From: kjknkl at att.net > Date: Wed, October 22, 2008 12:11 pm > To: "Rachel Keeler" > "zak" > "Tammy & Uncle Frank" > "Steve & Ruth M" > "Rose" > "Jim & Stormy" > "Emmet Jane" > "dave mills" > "Bink new" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > And for those of us with big rocks in our yards that we'd like to turn > into architectural features, of practical interest! > > Kim > -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- > From: "H. Bryan Werner" > To: "Friends" > Subject: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:01:35 +0000 > > > > > > Stonehenge mystery solved? > > For hundreds, maybe thousands of years, people have been trying to > figure out how primitive people could build huge structures such > as Stonehenge and the pyramids out of stone blocks weighing > thousands of pounds. Scientists have been stumped. > > Then along comes a normal guy - a retired construction worker - and > he says "well, I would do it like this." And he does. This guy uses > the simplest tools known to man and shows how simple and easy it > would have been to create Stonehenge . > > This is a really great video clip. amazing how this guy could figure > out something that has confounded scholars for centuries. And not > only figures it out, but demonstrates it! > > This guy could build a replica of Stonehenge single-handedly, while > a committee of 20 or 30 Civil Engineering professors from leading > universities would be debating how it might be done. > > ' Stonehenge Reloaded'. You have got to see this.... > > http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > -- Lady Kathryn MacLuing Onyx Pursuivant Barony of Blackstone Mountain From gerryhough at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 18:15:45 2008 From: gerryhough at yahoo.com (Malcolm fitzWilliam) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] In-Reply-To: <540ddc010810221343k38453fa3h17670af230cf4302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200124.14317.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Not only is it amazing, it;s believable!!! Malcolum fizWillelm Sycamore Herald, Kingdom of AEthelmearc Castellan, Shire of Sterlynge Vayle "While Alive, Live!!!" "Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit" (Bidden or not Bidden, God is Present) --- On Wed, 10/22/08, kathy kemmish wrote: > From: kathy kemmish > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 4:43 PM > Now that is absolutely amazing. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM, > wrote: > > > Greetings from Myfanwy! > > A friend of mine forwarded this to Alastar & me, > and I figured that > > everyone on the list would get a kick out of it as > well. (It's about the > > only good thing that's happened today so far.) > > Enjoy! > > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon > > Ruth Morrisson > > myfanwy at nauticom.net > > > > > > ---------------------------- Original Message > ---------------------------- > > Subject: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... > > From: kjknkl at att.net > > Date: Wed, October 22, 2008 12:11 pm > > To: "Rachel Keeler" > > > "zak" > > "Tammy & Uncle Frank" > > > "Steve & Ruth M" > > > "Rose" > > "Jim & Stormy" > > > "Emmet Jane" > > > "dave mills" > > > "Bink new" > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > And for those of us with big rocks in our yards that > we'd like to turn > > into architectural features, of practical interest! > > > > Kim > > -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- > > From: "H. Bryan Werner" > > > To: "Friends" > > Subject: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:01:35 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > Stonehenge mystery solved? > > > > For hundreds, maybe thousands of years, people > have been trying to > > figure out how primitive people could build huge > structures such > > as Stonehenge and the pyramids out of stone > blocks weighing > > thousands of pounds. Scientists have been stumped. > > > > Then along comes a normal guy - a retired > construction worker - and > > he says "well, I would do it like this." > And he does. This guy uses > > the simplest tools known to man and shows how > simple and easy it > > would have been to create Stonehenge . > > > > This is a really great video clip. amazing how > this guy could figure > > out something that has confounded scholars for > centuries. And not > > only figures it out, but demonstrates it! > > > > This guy could build a replica of Stonehenge > single-handedly, while > > a committee of 20 or 30 Civil Engineering > professors from leading > > universities would be debating how it might be > done. > > > > ' Stonehenge Reloaded'. You have got to > see this.... > > > > > http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to > discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > > list. > > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess > quotage. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > -- > Lady Kathryn MacLuing > Onyx Pursuivant > Barony of Blackstone Mountain > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From LadyDeianeira at att.net Wed Oct 22 20:14:03 2008 From: LadyDeianeira at att.net (Lady Deianeira) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:14:03 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] References: <200124.14317.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Conceivable & believable... except for one thing that I noticed - back in the "day" - they didn't have garden hoses - and in following his theory, the force of the water is needed to wash away the sand in order for the stone to stand. But I would be interested in seeing where he goes with this.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm fitzWilliam" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] > Not only is it amazing, it;s believable!!! From myfanwy at nauticom.net Wed Oct 22 21:12:03 2008 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] In-Reply-To: References: <200124.14317.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52278.209.195.147.252.1224724323.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! They didn't have hoses, but I bet that they had some sort of water carrying/storage. Repeated dumping of buckets of water (a big "sploosh" followed by other big "splooshes" would be slower but possibly more concentrated. What I would have like to see was whether his method also works for setting the lintel stones. I've been to Stonehenge (back in the early 70s when it was accessible by tourists) and those uprights are pretty damn tall. I guess that if they had the technology to build the supports, they would also have been able to build ladders to get up to the higher points on the supports (although as someone with an acute case of Acrophobia, I certainly wouldn't have wanted to have been the one doing the climbing! I also remember seeing something on TV a couple of months ago about Stonehenge and some of the excavations done there and in the area. The uprights (IIRC) actually have smallish points carved into the tops, and the lintels have corresponding notches that the points fit into (something like this: |_____/\_____| bottom of lintel stone _____/\_____ | | top of upright (mind you, I might have this backwards, i.e., the points being in the lintel stones). I'm not sure how the points and notches would be affected by his "roll the big rock over the zigzags" process (like he was doing at the beginning of the video). At any rate, I thought the guy's concept was pretty cool. Wonder if the Coopers would let folks try this at Pennsic --"honestly Dave, tell the zoning board people it's just another 'snow fence'...." :-) Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > Conceivable & believable... except for one thing that I noticed - back in > the "day" - they didn't have garden hoses - and in following his theory, > the > force of the water is needed to wash away the sand in order for the stone > to > stand. > > But I would be interested in seeing where he goes with this.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm fitzWilliam" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] > > >> Not only is it amazing, it;s believable!!! > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From rdstraw54 at windstream.net Wed Oct 22 22:01:40 2008 From: rdstraw54 at windstream.net (rdstraw54 at windstream.net) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:01:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved Message-ID: <20081022210140.KKLBX.36498.root@ispmxfep10-z01> I notice that he only does his rock moving trick, the bit with the small stones underneath, on a concrete pad. Not too many of those around when Stonehenge was being built. I'll believe this when I see that part done on regular old Ground: dirt and grass. Lady Meirionfa From rdehwyll at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 22:32:02 2008 From: rdehwyll at yahoo.com (Robert Waldbauer) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved Message-ID: <11992.34247.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ________________________________ From: "rdstraw54 at windstream.net" To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:01:40 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved I notice that he only does his rock moving trick, the bit with the small stones underneath, on a concrete pad. Not too many of those around when Stonehenge was being built. I'll believe this when I see that part done on regular old Ground: dirt and grass. Lady Meirionfa _________________________________________________________________________ Ummm, this really isn't a new idea. When I was working construction (Far too many years ago, now) and we would be excavating for basements, many times we would come across a boulder too large and heavy for the machinery to handle, so a dozen guys would get on a heavy (8" by 12" by 20' long) lever, and would lift one end. We'd then place a head-sized rock under it, lever the other end up and to the side, add another rock, and start 'walking' it up an earthen ramp to get it out of the pit. Not easy, but doable. No reason the ancients couldn't have done the same thing to move large stones... From myfanwy at nauticom.net Wed Oct 22 22:41:40 2008 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved In-Reply-To: <20081022210140.KKLBX.36498.root@ispmxfep10-z01> References: <20081022210140.KKLBX.36498.root@ispmxfep10-z01> Message-ID: <52514.209.195.147.252.1224729700.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! I'm not so sure -- the Romans certainly had concrete (apparently as early as 25 BCE (if you believe the Wikipedia article on the subject), although of course Stonehenge is much older than that. If the ground is hard enough, I can see it still working. It's the moving of the stones from the quarry (which is, according to some authories, in Pembrokeshire in Wales -- over 200 miles away). Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > I notice that he only does his rock moving trick, the bit with the small > stones underneath, on a concrete pad. > > Not too many of those around when Stonehenge was being built. > > I'll believe this when I see that part done on regular old Ground: dirt > and grass. > > Lady Meirionfa > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From duane at velocity.net Wed Oct 22 22:53:40 2008 From: duane at velocity.net (Duane Wilkey) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:53:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved In-Reply-To: <52514.209.195.147.252.1224729700.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: There's another video of him moving a 40' x 60' barn 300' over a grass field. His son wanted the barn moved from one side of the property to the other. He did it by himself. I'll see if I can find the link. Alexander >-----Original Message----- >From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc- >bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of myfanwy at nauticom.net >Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:42 PM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved > >Greetings from Myfanwy! >I'm not so sure -- the Romans certainly had concrete (apparently as early >as 25 BCE (if you believe the Wikipedia article on the subject), although >of course Stonehenge is much older than that. >If the ground is hard enough, I can see it still working. It's the moving >of the stones from the quarry (which is, according to some authories, in >Pembrokeshire in Wales -- over 200 miles away). >Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon >Ruth Morrisson >myfanwy at nauticom.net > >> I notice that he only does his rock moving trick, the bit with the small >> stones underneath, on a concrete pad. >> >> Not too many of those around when Stonehenge was being built. >> >> I'll believe this when I see that part done on regular old Ground: dirt >> and grass. >> >> Lady Meirionfa >> ________________________________________________________________________ _ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >the >> list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> ________________________________________________________________________ _ >> > > >_______________________________________________________________________ __ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_______________________________________________________________________ __ From duane at velocity.net Wed Oct 22 22:59:24 2008 From: duane at velocity.net (Duane Wilkey) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:59:24 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8B89763ADF3F4C458BC5601BFCC6CDF1@DADSBOX> It's on his site. I got the numbers wrong. The building was 30' x 40' and weighed 10 tons. He only moved it 200' over a field of mud. http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/newpage2 Sorry about the wrong numbers. Alexander >-----Original Message----- >From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc- >bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Duane Wilkey >Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:54 PM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved > >There's another video of him moving a 40' x 60' barn 300' over a grass >field. His son wanted the barn moved from one side of the property to >the other. He did it by himself. I'll see if I can find the link. > >Alexander > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu >[mailto:sca-aethelmearc- >>bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of myfanwy at nauticom.net >>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:42 PM >>To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >>Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved >> >>Greetings from Myfanwy! >>I'm not so sure -- the Romans certainly had concrete (apparently as >early >>as 25 BCE (if you believe the Wikipedia article on the subject), >although >>of course Stonehenge is much older than that. >>If the ground is hard enough, I can see it still working. It's the >moving >>of the stones from the quarry (which is, according to some authories, >in >>Pembrokeshire in Wales -- over 200 miles away). >>Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon >>Ruth Morrisson >>myfanwy at nauticom.net >> >>> I notice that he only does his rock moving trick, the bit with the >small >>> stones underneath, on a concrete pad. >>> >>> Not too many of those around when Stonehenge was being built. >>> >>> I'll believe this when I see that part done on regular old Ground: >dirt >>> and grass. >>> >>> Lady Meirionfa >>> >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >_ >>> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >>> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >to >>the >>> list. >>> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >>> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >for: >>> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >>> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >>> >_______________________________________________________________________ _ >_ >>> >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ _ >__ >>Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >>Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >the >>list. >>Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >>Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >>When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >>______________________________________________________________________ _ >__ > > > >_______________________________________________________________________ __ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_______________________________________________________________________ __ From duane at velocity.net Thu Oct 23 06:29:56 2008 From: duane at velocity.net (Duane Wilkey) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:29:56 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved In-Reply-To: <20081022210140.KKLBX.36498.root@ispmxfep10-z01> Message-ID: A better link: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/move-anything-p1.php >-----Original Message----- >From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc- >bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of rdstraw54 at windstream.net >Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:02 PM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved > >I notice that he only does his rock moving trick, the bit with the small >stones underneath, on a concrete pad. > >Not too many of those around when Stonehenge was being built. > >I'll believe this when I see that part done on regular old Ground: dirt and >grass. > >Lady Meirionfa >_______________________________________________________________________ __ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_______________________________________________________________________ __ From jimlord at hotmail.com Thu Oct 23 08:58:16 2008 From: jimlord at hotmail.com (Jim Lord) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:58:16 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] =?windows-1252?q?_Brewing_activities_for_Hunter=92s_Moon?= =?windows-1252?q?_10/25_in_Hartstone_Dansville=2C_ny?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Brewing activities for Hunter?s Moon > > Well as has been in the event listing teaser for the Hunter?s Moon event I am > doing the Brewing events. Here is what is on the schedule (keep in mind it > may have to flex depending on how the brew goes) > > I will be brewing a Carinthian Stein beer on site using rocks heated in the > fire pit to heat the beer. The process takes from 4-6 hours depending on how > things fall and how hot the fire is. > > First step make a fire put rocks in it and wait for them to heat for a couple > hours till they are red hot. I?m looking to start the fire at about 10 am. > At this point there will be some down time while the rocks get hot and the > fire gets going. I?ll be hanging around poking at the fire. > > Second step put some juniper branches, water and hops in the pot and boil them > with hot rocks for a while. This takes about an hour to do. I am shooting > for 12-1pm for this. > > Third step, add some more water, get temperature right and add malted barley. > Occasionally add a rock or two to the mash. > > Fourth step let the malt do its thing. It needs to sit for about an hour at > this stage for the grain to turn to sugar. This gets us to about 2-3pm > > Fifth step, add even more water to the kettle and add and remove some rocks to > bring to a rapid boil. This takes about an hour. This brings us to 4-5pm. > > Run off beer into fermentors. This takes a while maybe 30 minutes. > > Clean up. > > Did I mention this is an audience participation brew? There are definitely > some parts that are more interesting than others. Putting the rocks in and > watching the boil is much more interesting than tending the mash while it > converts. Also did I mention I have samples of the last one of these I made > for the over 21 crowd? Folks are welcome to sit around the fire and talk > beer, drink beer, and share homebrews. I would be more than happy to try > other people?s brews as well. > > Also hot rocks are CRAZY hot. It takes a lot of heat to make granite glow. > Boiling water is likewise HOT. Because of this no unaccompanied minors around > the brewing area during this time. I will see about getting some list ropes > to make sure the area is clearly marked off. I will also appreciate extra > sets of eyes when the rocks are being transferred. > > Lord Magnus Jager > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From myfanwy at nauticom.net Thu Oct 23 09:02:00 2008 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52783.209.195.147.252.1224766920.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! Yes, they talked about moving the barn on the first video. (What's the quote? Something about you can move the world with a big enough fulcrum....) Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > There's another video of him moving a 40' x 60' barn 300' over a grass > field. His son wanted the barn moved from one side of the property to > the other. He did it by himself. I'll see if I can find the link. > > Alexander > From mmyurko at aol.com Thu Oct 23 09:51:23 2008 From: mmyurko at aol.com (mmyurko at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:51:23 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Sterlynge Vayle Schola Message-ID: <8CB032D921DFA71-127C-E05@WEBMAIL-MC21.sysops.aol.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Let the word go forth that the Shire of Sterlynge Vayle will be hosting a?Sterlynge Schola on January 17, 2009 at the Trinity Memorial Church, 44 Main St, Binghamton NY. The Site opens to the populace at 9:00am and closes at 6:00pm. We are planning classes from 10:00 a.m. until 5:00 p.m., with a one-hour break for?lunch at noon. Anyone found still lingering in the halls or classrooms after?6:00 p.m. may be pressed into service for site clean up. Dame George Anne has agreed to serve as Dean of the Schola. We have plenty?of classrooms and would encourage all interested teachers to come and share?their knowledge and all eager students to attend. We are hoping to have scribal, sewing, brewing, dancing, martial, heraldry and other classes.? Please contact Dame George Anne, MKA Georg-Karen Hawks, 519 Oak Hill Avenue,?Endicott, NY 13760; phone: 607 754-1883; e-mail: thegeorg at stny.rr.com if you?would like to teach a class, or if you have any questions regarding the?classes being offered. A hearty lunch will be available so that no one should go away hungry or?miss an essential class. We will also be offering refreshments in the late?afternoon. For dietary concerns you may contact Lady Mariana Maria?Pietrosanti, MKA Michelle Yurko, phone: 607 725-9680; e-mail:?mmyurko at aol.com Fees for this day of learning and sharing will be as follows: Adults: $10.00; Youth (13-17): $8.00; Children (5-12): $6.00; and free for babes?under 5. As a gesture of our thanks, instructors will be offered a discount?of $2.00 off the day fee. We will collect the $3.00 non-member fee at the?gate from those not carrying proof of current membership. Reservations must be sent to our Tollner, Lady Caitr?ona Fha?l inghean U? Chonaill (formerly?known as Katherine Kayley O'Connor) MKA: Michele Greenmun at 284 Hoadley Hill Road, Windsor, NY 13865. Checks shall be made payable to SCA, Inc. -?Shire of Sterlynge Vayle. ?The Autocrat for this event is Lady Mariana Maria Pietrosanti, MKA Michelle?Yurko, who may be contacted by cell phone at 607-725-9680 and e-mail? mmyurko at aol.com . She is being assisted by co-autocrat: Lady Caitr?ona Fha?l?inghean U? Chonaill MKA: Michele Greenmun, cell phone: 607-621-2122 and?e-mail: kayleyofsterlyngevayle at yahoo.com. You may contact either of us with questions. Directions: Find your best route to Binghamton, New York (we are fortunate?to be directly on route 81 and route 17/I-86.) Use Exit 5 off I-81 North or?South via NYS 17/I-86 or I-81. Exit 5 serves Broome Community College and?downtown Binghamton and empties into Front Street/US Rte 11. Turn left?(south) onto Front Street. Drive south to the intersection of Front Street?and Main Street. Turn right onto Main Street and drive one block. Trinity?Episcopal Church will be on the corner on your right, turn right onto Oak?Street. Parking is available in the parking lots on your right beyond the?church. From medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 10:32:09 2008 From: medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com (Shawn MacIntyre) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Agincourt Schedule Message-ID: <163600.67608.qm@web36405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The following is the schedule for Agincourt, October, 25, a.s. 43. ?9:00? ?? Site Opens ? ????????? Youth Inspection (Lower Field) ? 9:30? ??? Archery Practice Open (Archery Field) ??????????? Thrown Weapons Practice Open (Thrown Weapons Field) ??????????? 100 Years War general knowledge quiz begins (open to all) ? 10:00? Heavy Inspection and Authorizations (Upper Field) ??????????? Fencing Inspection (Lower Field) ? 11:00?? Heavy Champions (Upper Field) ? 11:30???? Baronial Youth Fighting Champions Tourney (Youth List) ??????????? Archery Champions Competition Begins (Archery Field) ? 12:00? Lunch ??????????? Thrown Weapons Champions Competition Begins (Thrown Weapons Field) ??????????? 1:00? ?? Fencing Baronial Champions Tourney (Fencing List) Combat Archery Tourney (in between battles) (Upper Field) ?????? ???? Heavy Melees Begin (Upper Field) ? 1:30???? Youth Archery Champions Competition (Archery Field) ? 3:00? ??? Agincourt Archery Challenge (Archery Field) ??????????? Fencer?s Tavern Brawl (Picnic Pavilion)??????????? 100 years war knowledge quiz ends ?????????????? ??????????? 4:00????? Debatable Choir will perform (Main Hall) ? 4:30 ??? Royal and Baronial Court (Inside Hall) ? 6:00 ??? Feast ???????? ?? Bardic Duel (during feast) The following classes will also be held in the feast hall: Leatherworking class -? 11:00a.m.? Custom Leathers (bring your own leather and poster board) ? Period Harstyles ? 12:30p.m. ? Lady Sarab bint Alima ? So you want to be an Archery Marshall? ? 1:00p.m.? Lord Urho ? Leather Bottle Making Class ? 2:00p.m. ?? Lady Sarab bint Alima ? Youth Boffer weapon making class ? 3:00p.m. Assistance is still needed for a Kitchen Clean up crew, and Retainers for Their Excellencies Byron and Ariella. As always we invite you to bring banners of arms to make the hall look and feel more period. Sign up sheets for the Bardic Duel and Heavy Fighters Tri-athlon will be available upon entry. Members remember to bring your membership card, Fighters remember to bring your authorization card. In service, Liam Shawn MacIntyre From crossbow1953 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 17:43:39 2008 From: crossbow1953 at earthlink.net (Urho Waltterinen) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:43:39 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Agincourt Schedule In-Reply-To: <163600.67608.qm@web36405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <163600.67608.qm@web36405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You moved my class to 1:00. Wasn't it originally at noon? I need to set up the range for the Youth Archery Championship. Urho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn MacIntyre" To: ; "aethelmearc discussion" ; Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: [SCA-AE] Agincourt Schedule The following is the schedule for Agincourt, October, 25, a.s. 43. 9:00 Site Opens Youth Inspection (Lower Field) 9:30 Archery Practice Open (Archery Field) Thrown Weapons Practice Open (Thrown Weapons Field) 100 Years War general knowledge quiz begins (open to all) 10:00 Heavy Inspection and Authorizations (Upper Field) Fencing Inspection (Lower Field) 11:00 Heavy Champions (Upper Field) 11:30 Baronial Youth Fighting Champions Tourney (Youth List) Archery Champions Competition Begins (Archery Field) 12:00 Lunch Thrown Weapons Champions Competition Begins (Thrown Weapons Field) 1:00 Fencing Baronial Champions Tourney (Fencing List) Combat Archery Tourney (in between battles) (Upper Field) Heavy Melees Begin (Upper Field) 1:30 Youth Archery Champions Competition (Archery Field) 3:00 Agincourt Archery Challenge (Archery Field) Fencer?s Tavern Brawl (Picnic Pavilion) 100 years war knowledge quiz ends 4:00 Debatable Choir will perform (Main Hall) 4:30 Royal and Baronial Court (Inside Hall) 6:00 Feast Bardic Duel (during feast) The following classes will also be held in the feast hall: Leatherworking class - 11:00a.m.? Custom Leathers (bring your own leather and poster board) Period Harstyles ? 12:30p.m. ? Lady Sarab bint Alima So you want to be an Archery Marshall? ? 1:00p.m.? Lord Urho Leather Bottle Making Class ? 2:00p.m. ? Lady Sarab bint Alima Youth Boffer weapon making class ? 3:00p.m. Assistance is still needed for a Kitchen Clean up crew, and Retainers for Their Excellencies Byron and Ariella. As always we invite you to bring banners of arms to make the hall look and feel more period. Sign up sheets for the Bardic Duel and Heavy Fighters Tri-athlon will be available upon entry. Members remember to bring your membership card, Fighters remember to bring your authorization card. In service, Liam Shawn MacIntyre _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From taranach at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 21:34:55 2008 From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:34:55 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] In-Reply-To: <52278.209.195.147.252.1224724323.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> References: <200124.14317.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <52278.209.195.147.252.1224724323.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: I'll bet if you set up three in a row, dumped the two end ones into their own pits under the middle, and then lower the middle one down on top... I think that could work. Taranach On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:12 PM, wrote: > Greetings from Myfanwy! > They didn't have hoses, but I bet that they had some sort of water > carrying/storage. Repeated dumping of buckets of water (a big "sploosh" > followed by other big "splooshes" would be slower but possibly more > concentrated. > What I would have like to see was whether his method also works for > setting the lintel stones. I've been to Stonehenge (back in the early 70s > when it was accessible by tourists) and those uprights are pretty damn > tall. I guess that if they had the technology to build the supports, they > would also have been able to build ladders to get up to the higher points > on the supports (although as someone with an acute case of Acrophobia, I > certainly wouldn't have wanted to have been the one doing the climbing! > I also remember seeing something on TV a couple of months ago about > Stonehenge and some of the excavations done there and in the area. The > uprights (IIRC) actually have smallish points carved into the tops, and > the lintels have corresponding notches that the points fit into (something > like > this: > |_____/\_____| bottom of lintel stone > > _____/\_____ > | | top of upright > > (mind you, I might have this backwards, i.e., the points being in the > lintel stones). I'm not sure how the points and notches would be affected > by his "roll the big rock over the zigzags" process (like he was doing at > the beginning of the video). > At any rate, I thought the guy's concept was pretty cool. > Wonder if the Coopers would let folks try this at Pennsic --"honestly > Dave, tell the zoning board people it's just another 'snow fence'...." :-) > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon > Ruth Morrisson > myfanwy at nauticom.net > >> Conceivable & believable... except for one thing that I noticed - back in >> the "day" - they didn't have garden hoses - and in following his theory, >> the >> force of the water is needed to wash away the sand in order for the stone >> to >> stand. >> >> But I would be interested in seeing where he goes with this.. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Malcolm fitzWilliam" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] >> >> >>> Not only is it amazing, it;s believable!!! >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >> list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From taranach at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 21:48:26 2008 From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:48:26 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Stonehenge mystery solved In-Reply-To: <20081022210140.KKLBX.36498.root@ispmxfep10-z01> References: <20081022210140.KKLBX.36498.root@ispmxfep10-z01> Message-ID: Leaving concrete aside for the moment, what about using another large flat rock to set the small fulcrum rock onto it? Think about what they might have had available that can do the same job. Taranach On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:01 PM, wrote: > I notice that he only does his rock moving trick, the bit with the small stones underneath, on a concrete pad. > > Not too many of those around when Stonehenge was being built. > > I'll believe this when I see that part done on regular old Ground: dirt and grass. > > Lady Meirionfa > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From david_black42 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 22:58:36 2008 From: david_black42 at yahoo.com (david black) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <493075.91500.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> i agree and when moving a large stone or object in a staight path one can accomplish this feat with small roller this combined with a pit that was shown to make the blocks up right and a fo Taranach McLeod wrote: I'll bet if you set up three in a row, dumped the two end ones into their own pits under the middle, and then lower the middle one down on top... I think that could work. Taranach On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:12 PM, wrote: > Greetings from Myfanwy! > They didn't have hoses, but I bet that they had some sort of water > carrying/storage. Repeated dumping of buckets of water (a big "sploosh" > followed by other big "splooshes" would be slower but possibly more > concentrated. > What I would have like to see was whether his method also works for > setting the lintel stones. I've been to Stonehenge (back in the early 70s > when it was accessible by tourists) and those uprights are pretty damn > tall. I guess that if they had the technology to build the supports, they > would also have been able to build ladders to get up to the higher points > on the supports (although as someone with an acute case of Acrophobia, I > certainly wouldn't have wanted to have been the one doing the climbing! > I also remember seeing something on TV a couple of months ago about > Stonehenge and some of the excavations done there and in the area. The > uprights (IIRC) actually have smallish points carved into the tops, and > the lintels have corresponding notches that the points fit into (something > like > this: > |_____/\_____| bottom of lintel stone > > _____/\_____ > | | top of upright > > (mind you, I might have this backwards, i.e., the points being in the > lintel stones). I'm not sure how the points and notches would be affected > by his "roll the big rock over the zigzags" process (like he was doing at > the beginning of the video). > At any rate, I thought the guy's concept was pretty cool. > Wonder if the Coopers would let folks try this at Pennsic --"honestly > Dave, tell the zoning board people it's just another 'snow fence'...." :-) > Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon > Ruth Morrisson > myfanwy at nauticom.net > >> Conceivable & believable... except for one thing that I noticed - back in >> the "day" - they didn't have garden hoses - and in following his theory, >> the >> force of the water is needed to wash away the sand in order for the stone >> to >> stand. >> >> But I would be interested in seeing where he goes with this.. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Malcolm fitzWilliam" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED...] >> >> >>> Not only is it amazing, it;s believable!!! >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >> list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From muirgens at aol.com Fri Oct 24 12:15:47 2008 From: muirgens at aol.com (muirgens at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:15:47 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... In-Reply-To: <493075.91500.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB040AE8A680D8-FC-589@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> I think he's using the "wash away the sand" method to control the placement of the stone because he's working largely by himself. Maybe with a crew, and more levers, the stone could be set without a garden hose. I also think that you could use the same raising jig to position the cap stones on top of the standing stones. If you raised it high enough it wouldn't matter which had the mortise and which had the tennon because you could just position it correctly and then lower it so they fit together. (But I think the tenons are on the standing stones as I recall). You might have to roll the whole jig over top of the standing stones after the cap stone is raised. Sounds tricky... Interesting work! morgen -----Original Message----- From: david black >i agree and when moving a large stone or object in a staight path one can >accomplish this feat with small roller this combined with a pit that was >shown to make the blocks up right and a fo >Taranach McLeod wrote: I'll bet if you set up three in a >row, dumped the two end ones into >their own pits under the middle, and then lower the middle one down on >top... I think that could work. From katriona at stny.rr.com Fri Oct 24 12:54:56 2008 From: katriona at stny.rr.com (Kat Sulliivan) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:54:56 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... References: <8CB040AE8A680D8-FC-589@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <90A947C7718646B687CC21AE5111969D@meow> Wouldn't it be cool to build one at Cooper's Lake? Maybe not quite as large...... Kat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] [Fwd: Fw: STONEHENGE MYSTERY SOLVED... > > I think he's using the "wash away the sand" method to control the > placement of the stone because he's working > largely by himself. Maybe with a crew, and more levers, the stone could > be set without a garden hose. > > I also think that you could use the same raising jig to position the cap > stones on top of the standing > stones. If you raised it high enough it wouldn't matter which had the > mortise and which had the tennon > because you could just position it correctly and then lower it so they fit > together. (But I think the tenons > are on the standing stones as I recall). You might have to roll the whole > jig over top of the standing stones > after the cap stone is raised. Sounds tricky... > > Interesting work! > > morgen From schwoegl at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 13:40:09 2008 From: schwoegl at verizon.net (McAndrew-Schwoegl) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:40:09 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: References: <200124.14317.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <52278.209.195.147.252.1224724323.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <006201c935ff$901ad520$b0507f60$@net> This photo of the WPIAL High School Cross Country Championship in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette made my son's brain hurt. Remus http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200810/crosscountry1024_500.jpg From donnghaile at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 13:51:07 2008 From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:51:07 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: <006201c935ff$901ad520$b0507f60$@net> References: <200124.14317.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <52278.209.195.147.252.1224724323.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> <006201c935ff$901ad520$b0507f60$@net> Message-ID: <29c224fe0810241051l6823149eud26a43594bd6eb99@mail.gmail.com> You that they give out awards for running all over Cooper's Lake? On 10/24/08, McAndrew-Schwoegl wrote: > This photo of the WPIAL High School Cross Country Championship in the > Pittsburgh Post-Gazette made my son's brain hurt. > > > > Remus > > > > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200810/crosscountry1024_500.jpg > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From greenstein at earthlink.net Fri Oct 24 15:16:45 2008 From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo Message-ID: <11662472.1224875805487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >This photo of the WPIAL High School Cross Country Championship in the >Pittsburgh Post-Gazette made my son's brain hurt. You beat me to it. - Michael From mgranger1 at msn.com Fri Oct 24 16:14:06 2008 From: mgranger1 at msn.com (MATTHEW GRANGER) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:14:06 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] Asking for Photos from Harvest Raid Message-ID: Greetings, As some of you may remember, Baron William and I held a Challenge at Harvest Raid. Due to the nature of what we were doing that day, he and I didn't really have time to stop and take pictures (although he caught some good video). I have seen relatively few pictures from that glorious day, and I would like to preserve the memory of it for as long as I can. I know that there were several cameras there that day, and I would like to thank those people who have already shown me some magnificient shots. If there are any other gentles out there who have photos of our little challenge, I would very much appreciate seeing them. Thank you, in advance, to anyone who is willing to share. In Service, Baron Vladisla Nikulich (or just Vlad) mka Matthew Granger _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 From moordog at frontiernet.net Fri Oct 24 17:22:29 2008 From: moordog at frontiernet.net (Meadhbh of Clan McBain) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:22:29 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] info re: Deed of Arms request Message-ID: <20081024172229.hvdyka9hc04sw404@webmail.frontiernet.net> To Their Excellencies, Baron Vlad and Baron William: I remember seeing an offer regarding Deeds of Arms information and how one might go about same, but regrettably deleted by mistake. I know of a certain Lord who would very much like to offer a 'spear-only' challenge to all comers at?some time in the coming year. It would seem that having at least one?partner to alternate bouts?is a very wise thing, both to keep things moving and to delay a fighter's collapse into exhaustion...We were VERY impressed by?both the valor and the organization displayed at Harvest Raid. Many?Thanks! reply to: moordog at frontiernet.net[1] ?-- Lady Meadhbh Amhranaith of Clan McBain Links: ------ [1] mailto:moordog at frontiernet.net From saganth at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 19:20:42 2008 From: saganth at yahoo.com (Saganth/Adam) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: <006201c935ff$901ad520$b0507f60$@net> Message-ID: <605007.13236.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Ok, I'll bite, it makes his brain hurt because....? Rubyn MakDonald --- On Fri, 10/24/08, McAndrew-Schwoegl wrote: > From: McAndrew-Schwoegl > Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:40 PM > This photo of the WPIAL High School Cross Country > Championship in the > Pittsburgh Post-Gazette made my son's brain hurt. > > > > Remus > > > > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200810/crosscountry1024_500.jpg > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From sunshadow at twcny.rr.com Fri Oct 24 19:37:12 2008 From: sunshadow at twcny.rr.com (F. Page Steinhardt) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:37:12 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: <605007.13236.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <605007.13236.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49025C28.4030607@twcny.rr.com> don't tell me you haven't been to Pennsic . . . (that was a clue) that's all the help you need . . . -Thorpe Saganth/Adam wrote: > Ok, I'll bite, it makes his brain hurt because....? > > Rubyn MakDonald > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, McAndrew-Schwoegl wrote: > > >>From: McAndrew-Schwoegl >>Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo >>To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >>Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:40 PM >>This photo of the WPIAL High School Cross Country >>Championship in the >>Pittsburgh Post-Gazette made my son's brain hurt. >> >> >> >>Remus >> >> >> >>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200810/crosscountry1024_500.jpg >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >>Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org >>to post to the list. >>Email Official announcements to >>announcements at aethelmearc.org . >>Visit >>https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >>for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >>When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- http://www.sunshadowdesign.com Without craftsmanship there is no art, only a sad suggestion of what could have been. From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Fri Oct 24 19:45:45 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:45:45 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: <49025C28.4030607@twcny.rr.com> References: <605007.13236.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <49025C28.4030607@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <40ECFB92-E2BC-4A2E-862D-ABD48A13B561@rochester.rr.com> What gets me is that it looks like the gates are open... We seldom, if ever see that at Pennsic. I can hear the coach now "Ok, Freddy, when you get through the castle, Sprint! They may shoot arrows at you!" On Oct 24, 2008, at 7:37 PM, F. Page Steinhardt wrote: > don't tell me you haven't been to Pennsic . . . (that was a clue) > > > that's all the help you need . . . > > -Thorpe > > Saganth/Adam wrote: >> Ok, I'll bite, it makes his brain hurt because....? >> >> Rubyn MakDonald >> >> >> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, McAndrew-Schwoegl wrote: >> >> >>> From: McAndrew-Schwoegl >>> Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo >>> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >>> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:40 PM >>> This photo of the WPIAL High School Cross Country >>> Championship in the >>> Pittsburgh Post-Gazette made my son's brain hurt. >>> >>> >>> >>> Remus >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200810/ >>> crosscountry1024_500.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >>> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org >>> to post to the list. >>> Email Official announcements to >>> announcements at aethelmearc.org . >>> Visit >>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >>> for: >>> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >>> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >>> _________________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >> to the list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >> for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> > > -- > > > http://www.sunshadowdesign.com > > Without craftsmanship there is no art, only a sad suggestion of what > could have been. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From justin at 4th.com Fri Oct 24 21:00:58 2008 From: justin at 4th.com (Justinos Tekton) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:00:58 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo Message-ID: <1224896458.15912.245.camel@marcus> If that was the first weekend in October, our household camped at Cooper's Lake that same weekend. We saw the kids jogging around the lake to warm up or train. It's always surreal to camp at Cooper's in mundanes, but it's even more surreal when there are people around you who are doing modern stuff. :-) Justin -- ()xxxx[]::::::::::::::::::> <::::::::::::::::::[]xxxx() Maistor Justinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney) Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two keys fesswise reversed sable. justin at 4th.com http://4th.com/sca/justin/ From schwoegl at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 21:10:09 2008 From: schwoegl at verizon.net (McAndrew-Schwoegl) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:10:09 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: <40ECFB92-E2BC-4A2E-862D-ABD48A13B561@rochester.rr.com> References: <605007.13236.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <49025C28.4030607@twcny.rr.com> <40ECFB92-E2BC-4A2E-862D-ABD48A13B561@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <000801c9363e$6d3c9950$47b5cbf0$@net> I love how the finish line of the 3.1 mile race is setup so they get a great photo of the castle. Remus From ladyren at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 21:13:02 2008 From: ladyren at gmail.com (Karen Finnemore) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:13:02 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: <000801c9363e$6d3c9950$47b5cbf0$@net> References: <605007.13236.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <49025C28.4030607@twcny.rr.com> <40ECFB92-E2BC-4A2E-862D-ABD48A13B561@rochester.rr.com> <000801c9363e$6d3c9950$47b5cbf0$@net> Message-ID: <4e6328420810241813s713c6346i4e75186c9e18368@mail.gmail.com> This left me giggling most of the day. Thank you for sharing! Renata On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:10 PM, McAndrew-Schwoegl wrote: > I love how the finish line of the 3.1 mile race is setup so they get a > great > photo of the castle. > > Remus > _________________ > -- The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. -George Carlin If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun. -- Katharine Hepburn Every fight is a food fight when you're a cannibal. -- Demetri Martin Hearing nuns' confessions is like being stoned to death with popcorn. --Fulton J. Sheen From saganth at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 22:23:30 2008 From: saganth at yahoo.com (Saganth/Adam) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: <49025C28.4030607@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <633464.34305.qm@web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Ok I won't tell you, but I haven't. Rubyn --- On Fri, 10/24/08, F. Page Steinhardt wrote: > From: F. Page Steinhardt > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 7:37 PM > don't tell me you haven't been to Pennsic . . . > (that was a clue) > > > that's all the help you need . . . > > -Thorpe > > Saganth/Adam wrote: > > Ok, I'll bite, it makes his brain hurt > because....? > > > > Rubyn MakDonald > > > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, McAndrew-Schwoegl > wrote: > > > > > >>From: McAndrew-Schwoegl > > >>Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo > >>To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > >>Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:40 PM > >>This photo of the WPIAL High School Cross Country > >>Championship in the > >>Pittsburgh Post-Gazette made my son's brain > hurt. > >> > >> > >> > >>Remus > >> > >> > >> > >>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200810/crosscountry1024_500.jpg > >> > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > >>Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > >>Send general discussion email to > discussion at aethelmearc.org > >>to post to the list. > >>Email Official announcements to > >>announcements at aethelmearc.org . > >>Visit > >>https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > >>for: > >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > >>When replying to posts, you should remove excess > quotage. > >>_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to > discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess > quotage. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > -- > > > http://www.sunshadowdesign.com > > Without craftsmanship there is no art, only a sad > suggestion of what > could have been. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From schwoegl at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 09:57:40 2008 From: schwoegl at verizon.net (McAndrew-Schwoegl) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:57:40 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] A slightly off topic photo In-Reply-To: <633464.34305.qm@web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <49025C28.4030607@twcny.rr.com> <633464.34305.qm@web55308.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006301c936a9$a56b37d0$f041a770$@net> Rubyn, Sorry, to me the photo spoke for its self. Here is the article that goes with it: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08298/922518-364.stm Or to make the story short. The regional high school cross country championship was held at Coopers Lake. The race was set up to get a photo of the winner crossing the finish line with the Pennsic Castle as the background. Remus From thegeorg at stny.rr.com Sat Oct 25 10:52:44 2008 From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:52:44 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Site for research Message-ID: <490332BC.3050007@stny.rr.com> http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ The above site is for metal detector enthusiasts to register what they think are finds of interest to archaeologists within the UK. "Prehistoric stone tools and weapons, metal artefacts that date before circa 1650, and coins up to 1662 are eligible for recording on the database" according to their guidelines. A friend pointed this out to me today, because apparently within our period some spindles were using cast lead weights. Do a search on "whorl" and see them- there's about 80 of them listed on the site with pictures. Of course there are many other things (including coins and buckles), but that's my current interest. There is the usual caveat of amateurs doing the documenting, so know what you are looking at whenever possible. I thought this would be of particular interest to our metalsmiths. -george From hraefnn at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 14:19:32 2008 From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman Message-ID: <898470.37987.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please contact me regarding a backlog scroll. Hrefna fruthikona ---------------------------------------------------------- And this above all to thine own self be true. - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 23:12:33 2008 From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] info re: Deed of Arms request In-Reply-To: <20081024172229.hvdyka9hc04sw404@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <99435.49874.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Replied to off list in service Will SKA William Freskyn Murray MKA Will Carson squire to Baron Sir Bedawyr of Avaricum foster squire to Viscount Syr Alexander Caithnes of Wyk Chieftain of the Tribe of Tuatha Firen Baron of the Court of Aethelmearc Father of Nicholas www.carsonsadopt.com --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Meadhbh of Clan McBain wrote: > From: Meadhbh of Clan McBain > Subject: [SCA-AE] info re: Deed of Arms request > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:22 PM > To Their Excellencies, Baron Vlad and Baron William: > > I remember seeing an offer regarding Deeds of Arms > information and > how one might go about same, but regrettably deleted by > mistake. I > know of a certain Lord who would very much like to offer a > > 'spear-only' challenge to all comers at?some time > in the coming year. > It would seem that having at least one?partner to > alternate bouts?is a > very wise thing, both to keep things moving and to delay a > fighter's > collapse into exhaustion...We were VERY impressed by?both > the valor > and the organization displayed at Harvest Raid. > > Many?Thanks! > > reply to: moordog at frontiernet.net[1] > > ?-- > Lady Meadhbh Amhranaith of Clan McBain > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:moordog at frontiernet.net > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From bear_janet at msn.com Sun Oct 26 01:47:14 2008 From: bear_janet at msn.com (JAMES OGILVIE) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 05:47:14 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman In-Reply-To: <898470.37987.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry to report that Lorenz is in the hospital after a bad motorcycle accident a couple weeks ago. He probably won't be able to get to a computer until they discharge him, which will probably be awhile yet and then he may have to go to a rehab hospital for physical therapy. He is not on the Aethelmearc list anyway. Leah Janette >To: sca-aethelmearc at andrew.cmu.edu >Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Please contact me regarding a backlog scroll. > >Hrefna fruthikona > >---------------------------------------------------------- >And this above all to thine own self be true. > - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ From myfanwy at nauticom.net Sun Oct 26 01:47:06 2008 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Site for research In-Reply-To: <490332BC.3050007@stny.rr.com> References: <490332BC.3050007@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <50180.209.195.147.252.1225000026.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! A few years ago I bought a 13th century lead spindle whorl at Pennsic. I just thought it was really neat to actually *own* something from my persona's time period -- especially since it was the type of thing I would have using back then. Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net A friend pointed this out to me today, because apparently within our > period some spindles were using cast lead weights. Do a search on > "whorl" and see them- there's about 80 of them listed on the site with > pictures. Of course there are many other things (including coins and > buckles), but that's my current interest. There is the usual caveat of > amateurs doing the documenting, so know what you are looking at whenever > possible. > > I thought this would be of particular interest to our metalsmiths. > > -george > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From thegeorg at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 26 04:04:16 2008 From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:04:16 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Site for research In-Reply-To: <50180.209.195.147.252.1225000026.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> References: <490332BC.3050007@stny.rr.com> <50180.209.195.147.252.1225000026.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Message-ID: <49042480.60407@stny.rr.com> myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote: > Greetings from Myfanwy! > A few years ago I bought a 13th century lead spindle whorl at Pennsic. I > just thought it was really neat to actually *own* something from my > persona's time period -- especially since it was the type of thing I would > have using back then. The friend that told me about it promised to send me one that was listed on the page, with the condition I use it. She has several. :) -george From vickirs2 at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 07:58:12 2008 From: vickirs2 at gmail.com (vicki meals) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:58:12 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman In-Reply-To: References: <898470.37987.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9807f8140810260458y1752d07cnfe46b553d2a33d36@mail.gmail.com> What hospital is he in? Nad please keep us updated to how he is doing! Maewynn On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 1:47 AM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > I'm sorry to report that Lorenz is in the hospital after a bad motorcycle > accident a couple weeks ago. He probably won't be able to get to a > computer > until they discharge him, which will probably be awhile yet and then he may > have to go to a rehab hospital for physical therapy. He is not on the > Aethelmearc list anyway. > > Leah Janette > > > >To: sca-aethelmearc at andrew.cmu.edu > >Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman > >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Please contact me regarding a backlog scroll. > > > >Hrefna fruthikona > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- > >And this above all to thine own self be true. > > - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the > >list. > >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- Peace, Love and Light; Rainbow Sky - 2 Please link us (http://www.rainbowskytrading.com/index.shtml) and tell your friends so we can stay affordable without the costs of advertising which cause the inflation of cost of products. Many Blessings, Sky http://www.rainbowskytrading.com/index.shtml E bay Deals: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rainbowskytrading&sor t=4 From msanders1829 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 10:51:38 2008 From: msanders1829 at yahoo.com (Mike Sanders) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman In-Reply-To: <9807f8140810260458y1752d07cnfe46b553d2a33d36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <248336.26775.qm@web50602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> He is in Hamot hospitol in Erie --- On Sun, 10/26/08, vicki meals wrote: From: vicki meals Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 7:58 AM What hospital is he in? Nad please keep us updated to how he is doing! Maewynn On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 1:47 AM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > I'm sorry to report that Lorenz is in the hospital after a bad motorcycle > accident a couple weeks ago. He probably won't be able to get to a > computer > until they discharge him, which will probably be awhile yet and then he may > have to go to a rehab hospital for physical therapy. He is not on the > Aethelmearc list anyway. > > Leah Janette > > > >To: sca-aethelmearc at andrew.cmu.edu > >Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman > >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Please contact me regarding a backlog scroll. > > > >Hrefna fruthikona > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- > >And this above all to thine own self be true. > > - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the > >list. > >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > -- Peace, Love and Light; Rainbow Sky - 2 Please link us (http://www.rainbowskytrading.com/index.shtml) and tell your friends so we can stay affordable without the costs of advertising which cause the inflation of cost of products. Many Blessings, Sky http://www.rainbowskytrading.com/index.shtml E bay Deals: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rainbowskytrading&sor t=4 _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From raimundksca at verizon.net Sun Oct 26 12:26:26 2008 From: raimundksca at verizon.net (Raymond Lonsdale) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:26:26 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia Message-ID: <001b01c93787$996e11d0$cc4a3570$@net> Ran across these pictures of what looks like an SCA type group in Russia. They use blunt mild steel weapons. Full run of pictures @ http://photofile.name/users/arkona/95186047/ look at the glaive at the right of this picture http://photofile.name/users/arkona/95186047/100754792/ I've seen other examples but you'd have to hunt through all the listings. Raimund of the Strait From bear_janet at msn.com Sun Oct 26 14:00:34 2008 From: bear_janet at msn.com (JAMES OGILVIE) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:00:34 +0000 Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman In-Reply-To: <9807f8140810260458y1752d07cnfe46b553d2a33d36@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you'd like to send a card or something, the address would be: John Wren C/o Hamot Medical Center 201 State St. Erie, PA 16550 I'm sure he would like to hear from people to relieve the boredom. Leah Janette >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:58:12 -0400 > >What hospital is he in? Nad please keep us updated to how he is doing! > >Maewynn > >On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 1:47 AM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > > > I'm sorry to report that Lorenz is in the hospital after a bad >motorcycle > > accident a couple weeks ago. He probably won't be able to get to a > > computer > > until they discharge him, which will probably be awhile yet and then he >may > > have to go to a rehab hospital for physical therapy. He is not on the > > Aethelmearc list anyway. > > > > Leah Janette > > > > > > >To: sca-aethelmearc at andrew.cmu.edu > > >Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman > > >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Please contact me regarding a backlog scroll. > > > > > >Hrefna fruthikona > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- > > >And this above all to thine own self be true. > > > - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > > the > > >list. > > >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >for: > > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >the > > list. > > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >-- >Peace, Love and Light; >Rainbow Sky - 2 >Please link us (http://www.rainbowskytrading.com/index.shtml) and tell your >friends so we can stay affordable without the costs of advertising which >cause the inflation of cost of products. Many Blessings, Sky >http://www.rainbowskytrading.com/index.shtml > >E bay Deals: >http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rainbowskytrading&sor >t=4 >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ From hraefnn at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 15:10:00 2008 From: hraefnn at yahoo.com (Raven) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <117955.73746.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you for the information. This matter can wait. ---------------------------------------------------------- And this above all to thine own self be true. - Shakespeare, "Hamlet" --- On Sun, 10/26/08, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > From: JAMES OGILVIE > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 1:47 AM > I'm sorry to report that Lorenz is in the hospital after > a bad motorcycle > accident a couple weeks ago. He probably won't be able > to get to a computer > until they discharge him, which will probably be awhile yet > and then he may > have to go to a rehab hospital for physical therapy. He is > not on the > Aethelmearc list anyway. > > Leah Janette > > > >To: sca-aethelmearc at andrew.cmu.edu > >Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Lorenz Butterman > >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Please contact me regarding a backlog scroll. > > > >Hrefna fruthikona > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- > >And this above all to thine own self be true. > > - Shakespeare, > "Hamlet" > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > >Send general discussion email to > discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > >list. > >Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > >Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > >When replying to posts, you should remove excess > quotage. > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org > to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to > announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From greenstein at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 16:16:42 2008 From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Library at Known World Cooks & Bards Message-ID: <12597431.1225052202319.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ The staff of KWCB 2008 is happy to offer a browsing/lending library for the benefit of event attendees. The library will be located in the main hall, and will be open from the start of classes until an hour before feast on Saturday and Sunday. The library may also be open after feast if there is demand. The library will have both print and electronic resources, as well as a small photocopier, printer and scanner. There will be materials for all groups: cooks, brewers and bards. We are encouraging attendees to bring books and other materials from their personal collections to loan to the library so they may be shared with others. The library will be staffed by a professional librarian who will provide loving care for all resources! If you are willing to loan items, or have any questions about the library, please contact the librarian, Master Edmund Tregelles, at kwcb-library at andrew.cmu.edu or by phone at 716-863-2743. Although it is not required, it would be greatly appreciated if a list of materials to be loaned would be submitted in advance of the event to the librarian so they can be added into a resource database for use at the event. Check back to the Known World website for an updated resource list as it becomes updated! Regardless of whether you can bring materials or not, please stop by the library to browse, enjoy refreshments and chat with your fellow attendees! From salley at galileo.canisius.edu Sun Oct 26 15:42:19 2008 From: salley at galileo.canisius.edu (David Salley) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:42:19 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Slightly OT: Former Ice Dragon site moving Message-ID: <200810261942.m9QJgJgi012629@galileo.canisius.edu> Those of you who have been in long enough to remember when Ice Dragon was held at St. Gerard's parish in Buffalo, may find this interesting. St. Gerard's is moving to Georgia,... not the parish, the church! It's going to be disassembled, shipped and reassembled in Georgia. http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/466847.html -- Dagonell From katriona at stny.rr.com Sun Oct 26 19:52:36 2008 From: katriona at stny.rr.com (Kat Sulliivan) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:52:36 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Hunter's Moon Pics References: <248336.26775.qm@web50602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <846A36376D6D4C37BF12B84D927F1597@meow> The Hunter's Moon pictures are up! Here is the url: http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/Shire_Hartstone/2008/Hunters%20Moon/ Enjoy! Kat From myfanwy at nauticom.net Sun Oct 26 21:11:39 2008 From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia In-Reply-To: <001b01c93787$996e11d0$cc4a3570$@net> References: <001b01c93787$996e11d0$cc4a3570$@net> Message-ID: <50673.209.195.147.252.1225069899.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net> Greetings from Myfanwy! I was looking at the last picture in the set (the one of the concert) and it reminded me of the banners for one of the armies in the movie _Darkon_. I'm wondering if this is some sort of LARP group. Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net > Ran across these pictures of what looks like an SCA type group in Russia. > They use blunt mild steel weapons. > > > > Full run of pictures @ > > http://photofile.name/users/arkona/95186047/ > > > > look at the glaive at the right of this picture > > http://photofile.name/users/arkona/95186047/100754792/ > > > > I've seen other examples but you'd have to hunt through all the listings. > > Raimund of the Strait > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > From greenstein at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 21:28:19 2008 From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia Message-ID: <6176645.1225070899893.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >I'm wondering if this is some sort of LARP group. Actually, these photos remind me a bit of pictures I once saw, taken at an early SCA event. Other than archaic hairstyles, eyeglass frames, and the like, the most notable peculiarity about those photos was that everyone in them was in the same age group: all college-age young adults. What a different group dynamic that must have been. - Michael From medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 21:41:06 2008 From: medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com (Shawn MacIntyre) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] Agincourt Thank yous Message-ID: <918542.95522.qm@web36407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings unto the Populace: I would like to pass along several thank yous for yet another glorious day of feasting and fighting. Thank you to Their Majesties Christopher and Morgen for their attendance! Thank you to Their Excellencies Byron and Ariella for again allowing the Agincourt event to host their Baronial Champions. Thank you to my Co Autocrat and beautiful wife Lady Constance Glyn Dwr for keeping me sane throughout the day. Also to her sisters Lady Rua and Lady Sarab for their help with set up, feast service and site tokens. Thank you to Lady Odrianna vander Brugghe and her awesome kitchen staff for again preparing a magnificent feast and amazing lunch. Thank you to Lord Morien McBain, Lord Gabriel Hawkes, Baron Sir Alonzio of the Peacemakers, Baroness Alex (who travelled from the Midrealm) for keeping our heavy fighters well organized, and safe. Thanks to Lord Urho and Lady Alana for making Archery fun and exciting for all. Thanks to Lady Fredeburg, & Lord Jorindur for trading off fencers and thrown weapons participants. Yes folks, the fencers are now throwing weapons. Many thanks to Lady Zoe and her staff for getting the youth fighters well organized, and giving them a great tavern brawl. Thank you to Sable Maul for nearly doubling the amount of fighters at the event. Thanks to Mick, Kim, and everyone else who stayed late to help get the hall cleaned up after the event, getting us out of there 2 hours earlier than last year. Thanks to Helewys, Alaric, Hilda and all who helped with Troll and reservations. Thank you to Mistress Hrefna and all who prepared scrolls for the event. Thank you to all that came to enjoy the event, and all who helped with the preparation, and execution of the event. I hope to see you all next year!! In service, Lord Liam MacanTsaoir Shawn MacIntyre EMT/FFII? Investigations Director Greater Pittsburgh Paranormal Society www.pittsburghparanormal.com ? From ladyren at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 21:52:36 2008 From: ladyren at gmail.com (Karen Finnemore) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:52:36 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Off-Topic, ISO's... Message-ID: <4e6328420810261852q514736dt7990c7866bf15ddd@mail.gmail.com> Would these gentles kindly send me a line off list (ladyren-at-gmail-dot-com): Count Khalek, Sir Graedwyn, *Baron Stevan Ulfkellson, Lord Kaminari no Shiro? Thank you!! Renata l'rouge Reservation Clerk, Amethyst Tournament Duchy of Pryde's Keep * -- The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. -George Carlin If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun. -- Katharine Hepburn Every fight is a food fight when you're a cannibal. -- Demetri Martin Hearing nuns' confessions is like being stoned to death with popcorn. --Fulton J. Sheen From moordog at frontiernet.net Mon Oct 27 11:51:59 2008 From: moordog at frontiernet.net (Meadhbh of Clan McBain) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:59 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia In-Reply-To: <001b01c93787$996e11d0$cc4a3570$@net> References: <001b01c93787$996e11d0$cc4a3570$@net> Message-ID: <20081027115159.jwdsnfs3esg4os44@webmail.frontiernet.net> ?Wouldn't it be interesting to have one of these folks as a 'pen-pal'! Pity my language skills are so limited. :( ?I believe most Europeans nowadays speak/write at least a limited amount of English, but I have never heard of Russian or any Slavic language being offered to schoolchildren here - except (perhaps) in college! -- Lady Meadhbh Amhranaith of Clan McBain From khall0510 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 12:16:06 2008 From: khall0510 at yahoo.com (kathleen hall) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia In-Reply-To: <20081027115159.jwdsnfs3esg4os44@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <94710.32190.qm@web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I met a gentleman at The Siege of Glengarry that was from Russia. He was a nice gentleman with beautiful daughters. I bet there would be someone outthere to act as an interpreter. ? --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Meadhbh of Clan McBain wrote: From: Meadhbh of Clan McBain Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:51 AM ?Wouldn't it be interesting to have one of these folks as a 'pen-pal'! Pity my language skills are so limited. :( ?I believe most Europeans nowadays speak/write at least a limited amount of English, but I have never heard of Russian or any Slavic language being offered to schoolchildren here - except (perhaps) in college! -- Lady Meadhbh Amhranaith of Clan McBain _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From adhazen1974 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 13:54:34 2008 From: adhazen1974 at yahoo.com (Andrew Hazen) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia Message-ID: <685241.25300.qm@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey there Myfanwy, The Logo is for MetalPoint...its like Ozzyfest here in America but the difference is they are Medieval Rock Bands...like Wolfenhirt...Belarus pagan-metal group Lyutovere, they remind me of the German band "In Extremo"... As far as the "historical festival" -- its a 3 day festival that takes place in the Castle Town of Miedzyborz or Miedzyboz (depending on which translator that you are using)..settlement of city type in Ukraine, in area Letichevskom of Khmelnitskiy area. The group that is putting on the demo maybe either Bern, RUN, or ACRE...The SCA is closer to Larp then they are. Comparing them to larp would be like comparing larp to the hard core civil war re-enactors...lol Andreas Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:11:39 -0400 (EDT) From: myfanwy at nauticom.net Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia To: discussion at aethelmearc.org Message-ID: <50673.209.195.147.252.1225069899.squirrel at webmail.nauticom.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Greetings from Myfanwy! I was looking at the last picture in the set (the one of the concert) and it reminded me of the banners for one of the armies in the movie _Darkon_. I'm wondering if this is some sort of LARP group. Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon Ruth Morrisson myfanwy at nauticom.net From rufinasca at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 14:20:45 2008 From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:20:45 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia Message-ID: <88ccaae90810271120x67877c73jf2335d4ad284bb1b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:00 PM, < sca-aethelmearc-request at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > Send Sca-aethelmearc mailing list submissions to > sca-aethelmearc at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sca-aethelmearc-request at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sca-aethelmearc-owner at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sca-aethelmearc digest..." > > > Correction: To post to the list, Send mail to: > discussion at aethelmearc.org > __ > > i high school local to where i grew up near pgh has offered russian for years. we always figured they were paranoid about a cold war invasion ;) rufina > > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:59 -0400 > From: Meadhbh of Clan McBain > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org > Message-ID: <20081027115159.jwdsnfs3esg4os44 at webmail.frontiernet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > > > ?Wouldn't it be interesting to have one of these folks as a > 'pen-pal'! Pity my language skills are so limited. :( > > ?I believe most Europeans nowadays speak/write at least a limited > amount of English, but I have never heard of Russian or any Slavic > language being offered to schoolchildren here - except (perhaps) in > college! > > -- > Lady Meadhbh Amhranaith of Clan McBain > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > To post to the list, Send mail to: > discussion at aethelmearc.org > > see: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for info on how to edit your list options. > > End of Sca-aethelmearc Digest, Vol 38, Issue 50 > *********************************************** > From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Mon Oct 27 15:24:14 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:24:14 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Current class list for Aethelmearc H&S Message-ID: <6DCFC635-34C9-40F4-83CD-5BBECB37240D@rochester.rr.com> Hi, all. Aethelmearc Heralds & Scribes in coming up on December 13th in Sylvan Glen. As class coordinator on the Heraldry side, I'm _still_ looking for teachers and classes. Here is what I have thus far: Count Sir Jehan - Late British Names Marija Kotok - Russian & Slavic Place Names Brandubh - Moot Court Karana - Running Tournaments (This should be very instructive for heralds even though it won't involve heraldry hardly at all) Margaret - Speciality armoury (Middle European design) & sources Alexander Caithnes - Equestrian Tourneys & period tourneys Fridrikr - Herldic Underwear - the New & Improved Stuff! Solveig - Japanese Armoury Class If I have missed anyone who already volunteered, please let me know. If your name is _not_ on this list AND you want to teach, please contact me ASAP. I need details by November 15th. This is as hard a date as I can set (meaning that alterations afterwards can & will happen). I'd like to get more on names, heraldic style, someone on OSCAR (I think someone already volunteered, but I've lost track), and field/list heraldry. Of course, your ideas will be better than mine (by definition, that's true). So please volunteer to make my LAST H&S coordination my BEST one. Also, those who have volunteered already, please write me with the following information for the booklet: Your name and preferred title(s) Home kingdom & local group Title of class Brief description Class length, limits, fees, and special needs Finally, the scribal side is being coordinated by Hrefna fruthikona (hraefnn at yahoo.com ) In service, Fridrikr inn gamli, Keystone Herald (pour maintenant) grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers From timothy at pruitt.com Mon Oct 27 00:00:21 2008 From: timothy at pruitt.com (Timothy A Pruitt) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:00:21 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081027040035.D92F42A54EB@smtprelay01.hostedemail.com> Very cool. The festival is called "Day of Kiev" and it included reenactments put on by at least one group from Poland. Here is their website. http://www.milites-alraunae.prv.pl/ There is an English link on the first page. It doesn't look like they actually "fight", but put on more of a display. More like Medieval Times than SCA, I think, but very cool. Timothy of Edgewood Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:26:26 -0400 >From: "Raymond Lonsdale" >Subject: [SCA-AE] slight off topic. sca like group in russia >To: >Message-ID: <001b01c93787$996e11d0$cc4a3570$@net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Ran across these pictures of what looks like an SCA type group in Russia. >They use blunt mild steel weapons. > >Full run of pictures @ > >http://photofile.name/users/arkona/95186047/ > >look at the glaive at the right of this picture > >http://photofile.name/users/arkona/95186047/100754792/ > >I've seen other examples but you'd have to hunt through all the listings. > >Raimund of the Strait From scale at ma.rr.com Mon Oct 27 18:31:51 2008 From: scale at ma.rr.com (Samuel Cale IV) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:31:51 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Current class list for Aethelmearc H&S In-Reply-To: <6DCFC635-34C9-40F4-83CD-5BBECB37240D@rochester.rr.com> References: <6DCFC635-34C9-40F4-83CD-5BBECB37240D@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <49064157.4030905@ma.rr.com> Actually it's in Misty Highlands. Here is the link http://www.mistyhighlands.org/heraldsscribes.shtml Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: > Hi, all. > > Aethelmearc Heralds & Scribes in coming up on December 13th in Sylvan > Glen. As class coordinator on the Heraldry side, I'm _still_ looking > for teachers and classes. Here is what I have thus far: > > > Count Sir Jehan - Late British Names > Marija Kotok - Russian & Slavic Place Names > Brandubh - Moot Court > Karana - Running Tournaments (This should be very instructive for > heralds even though it won't involve heraldry hardly at all) > Margaret - Speciality armoury (Middle European design) & sources > Alexander Caithnes - Equestrian Tourneys & period tourneys > Fridrikr - Herldic Underwear - the New & Improved Stuff! > Solveig - Japanese Armoury Class > > If I have missed anyone who already volunteered, please let me know. > If your name is _not_ on this list AND you want to teach, please > contact me ASAP. I need details by November 15th. This is as hard a > date as I can set (meaning that alterations afterwards can & will > happen). I'd like to get more on names, heraldic style, someone on > OSCAR (I think someone already volunteered, but I've lost track), and > field/list heraldry. Of course, your ideas will be better than mine > (by definition, that's true). So please volunteer to make my LAST H&S > coordination my BEST one. > > Also, those who have volunteered already, please write me with the > following information for the booklet: > > Your name and preferred title(s) > Home kingdom & local group > Title of class > Brief description > Class length, limits, fees, and special needs > > Finally, the scribal side is being coordinated by Hrefna fruthikona (hraefnn at yahoo.com > ) > > In service, > > Fridrikr inn gamli, Keystone Herald (pour maintenant) > > grasgar?r dvergr > siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr > non verba, acta > Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Mon Oct 27 21:38:02 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:38:02 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Current class list for Aethelmearc H&S In-Reply-To: <49064157.4030905@ma.rr.com> References: <6DCFC635-34C9-40F4-83CD-5BBECB37240D@rochester.rr.com> <49064157.4030905@ma.rr.com> Message-ID: You are right, of course. Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers On Oct 27, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Samuel Cale IV wrote: > Actually it's in Misty Highlands. Here is the link > > http://www.mistyhighlands.org/heraldsscribes.shtml > > > Thomas Ireland-Delfs wrote: >> Hi, all. >> >> Aethelmearc Heralds & Scribes in coming up on December 13th in Sylvan >> Glen. As class coordinator on the Heraldry side, I'm _still_ looking >> for teachers and classes. Here is what I have thus far: >> >> >> Count Sir Jehan - Late British Names >> Marija Kotok - Russian & Slavic Place Names >> Brandubh - Moot Court >> Karana - Running Tournaments (This should be very instructive for >> heralds even though it won't involve heraldry hardly at all) >> Margaret - Speciality armoury (Middle European design) & sources >> Alexander Caithnes - Equestrian Tourneys & period tourneys >> Fridrikr - Herldic Underwear - the New & Improved Stuff! >> Solveig - Japanese Armoury Class >> >> If I have missed anyone who already volunteered, please let me know. >> If your name is _not_ on this list AND you want to teach, please >> contact me ASAP. I need details by November 15th. This is as hard a >> date as I can set (meaning that alterations afterwards can & will >> happen). I'd like to get more on names, heraldic style, someone on >> OSCAR (I think someone already volunteered, but I've lost track), and >> field/list heraldry. Of course, your ideas will be better than mine >> (by definition, that's true). So please volunteer to make my LAST >> H&S >> coordination my BEST one. >> >> Also, those who have volunteered already, please write me with the >> following information for the booklet: >> >> Your name and preferred title(s) >> Home kingdom & local group >> Title of class >> Brief description >> Class length, limits, fees, and special needs >> >> Finally, the scribal side is being coordinated by Hrefna fruthikona >> (hraefnn at yahoo.com >> ) >> >> In service, >> >> Fridrikr inn gamli, Keystone Herald (pour maintenant) >> >> grasgar?r dvergr >> siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr >> non verba, acta >> Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >> to the list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >> for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From Jennifer.Strobel at bnymellon.com Tue Oct 28 08:53:27 2008 From: Jennifer.Strobel at bnymellon.com (Strobel Jennifer J) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:53:27 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Job Opening: Webminister for the A&S Website Message-ID: <52089A4ABE370D40827316ADBC1F0FC501511042@E2K3MAIL1514.mellonbank.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ To the subjects of the Sylvan Kingdom of AEthelmearc does Odriana vander Brugghe, Deputy A&S Minister, bid warm greetings on this potentially snowy day in October. The A&S Ministry is conducting a search for a new webminister. The job includes the following duties: 1. Make updates to the front page of the aeans.org domain at minimum every two weeks. 2. Post the bio and picture of the Artisan of the Month on the first weekend of each month, except for August. 3. Build and maintain webpages as needed by the request of the A&S Ministry. 4. All other tasks associated with maintaining a website. 5. Submit quarterly reports to the Kingdom Webminister as per the webminister policy. The skills and requirements for this position are: 1. To have at least an intermediate knowledge of HTML and CSS. 2. Have good communications skills. 3. Be detail oriented. 4. Work well as part of a team. 5. Be knowledgeable about the webminister policies of SCA, Inc. (the latest policy information is located at http://www.aethelmearc.org/downloads/webminister/webministers_policy.pdf ) 6. Be a paid member of SCA, Inc. The aeans.org webpage is the voice of the A&S Ministry on the internet and is an important communications tool for the A&S community. Its smooth and regular functioning is essential to the overall success of the Kingdom A&S Ministry. If you are interested in the position or if you would like more information please contact me, Odriana vander Brugghe, at jenn.strobel(at)gmail(dot)com. Written this twenty-eighth day of October in the year two thousand and eight in the center of the most remarkable Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands. OVB The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. Access, copying or re-use of the e-mail or any attachment, or any information contained therein, by any other person is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient please return the e-mail to the sender and delete it from your computer. Although we attempt to sweep e-mail and attachments for viruses, we do not guarantee that either are virus-free and accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of viruses. Please refer to http://disclaimer.bnymellon.com/eu.htm for certain disclosures relating to European legal entities. From donnghaile at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 15:58:39 2008 From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:58:39 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Known World Cooks and Bards Nov 7-10 Message-ID: <29c224fe0810281258p72ca4d07of1c37c249a5cad59@mail.gmail.com> For those of you wondering when the best time to arrive at Cooks and Bards is, I'll supply the answer: Friday Night! We have ample cabin space to hold everyone, and the fun starts on Friday. Stop in and Join us Friday night November 7th at 10 PM as Brandubh and Tofi present Guitar free Single Malts. A good old fashioned Scotch tasting, dedicated to the memory of our dear friend the late Duke Morguhn Sheridan, because he would have loved it. The rules are simple, bring a bottle to share and we all taste and enjoy until we can taste no more. Whiskey being the theme of the night, Single Malt is preferred, but fine Bourbon is welcome too. I'll see you there. Cheers, Brandubh O'Donnghaile From jennamacpherson at msn.com Thu Oct 30 13:45:57 2008 From: jennamacpherson at msn.com (Carole Goranson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:45:57 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Minor rattan combat policy meeting Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- Greetings All, There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about the idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for future events. All are encouraged to attend. That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new level of our current program and increase participation for families in ?thelmearc. and I do remain... In Service to ?thelmearc Jenna MacPherson Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie From calvertdegrey at msn.com Thu Oct 30 14:05:59 2008 From: calvertdegrey at msn.com (Rich G) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:05:59 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] Minor rattan combat policy meeting In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0810281258p72ca4d07of1c37c249a5cad59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Forwarded upon request of the Kingdom Youth Marshal Rich Goranson (Lord Stephan Calvert deGrey) ============================ Greetings All, There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about the idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for future events. All are encouraged to attend. That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new level of our current program and increase participation for families in ?thelmearc. and I do remain... In Service to ?thelmearc Jenna MacPherson Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie From clannscot at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 14:14:07 2008 From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:14:07 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: Amethyst Invitational Tourney Message-ID: As it once was, so it shall be again. Once there were Glorious Tournaments whereupon one and all gathered and took witness of the sword clash upon a noble list. It is in that spirit that we wish to make known of a great Emprise where all fighters and non fighters may pay witness to the great acts of prowess and renown. It is upon the first day of November in the borders of the Debatable Lands in our Glorious Kingdom of Aethelmearc that the Amethyst Invitational Tourney will have a call to arms to all Knights, Esquires, and gallant men and women of arms throughout the Kingdom to perform chivalrous deeds of prowess and courtesy. Throughout the year a hawks eye has been sent to distribute to those showing such deeds a docket to 32 good gentles to assemble on this day to compete in a grand tourney patterned after the great tourney of renown of the 15th century. Upon this day bearers of these dockets shall present themselves to the master of the lists and place their helm upon the rail for inspection and inclusion. We would make the call to warriors and gentle-folk alike, all are most welcome and encouraged to attend and share in the majesty. Also that we would add that it is meet and right that should you see acts of renown that so move your spirit that they be rewarded with tokens of esteem. With that being said we encourage the populacee to bring some manner of object or item to bestow these honors and thanks to worthy deeds witnessed. Display is the order of the day. Bring your banners, standards, and the like to be added to the atmosphere of the day. Come out one and all to cheer on these fighters who worked so hard to earn their entrance upon the Rolls of Honor this day. All gentles under 18 are free.Reservations may be made to Renata L'Rouge at 109 Kathleen Street Pittsburgh, PA 15211. She can be contacted with questions @ ladyren at gmail.com or 724-771-7090. The Autocrat is Duke Malcolm, and he can be reached at syrmalcolm at comcast.net. More info on the day can be viewed at www.clanoldcastle.com/amethyst.htm including the current list of known Entrants. Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ From clannscot at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 14:14:57 2008 From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:14:57 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: Menu Message-ID: Amethyst Tourney Sideboard Menu First RepastButtermilk Biscuits with round cut bacon, eggs and cheeseFlat fried cakes from the panPuffed balls of fried dough rolled in cinnamon and sugarBasket of Spiced Cakes and Fruited Bread Wine JellySyrup of Maple Trees Second RepastSoup made from Gourds, Apples, Onions and Bacon Cheese Soup with flowered Vegetables Soup of Mashed Peas Broth of Strong Bones and Root Vegetables Roast Breast of Turkey Slices with GravyFinely Sliced Roasted BeefHerb Skewered Grilled Breast of Fowl Bread with Beer, Bacon and CheddarHearty White BreadWine JellySoured dill PicklesMolded Belgian Chocolates Third Repast Long Loaves of Bread stuffed with Sliced Ham, Cheese and lettucesGrilled Legs of Fowl with garden spicesGrilled Cheese on Sliced BreadFreshly Baked PretzelsPastry Encrusted Grapes and Apples Black Raspberry CobblerPeach Shortcake Ginger Cookies Chocolate Chip Cookies Current English Translation First RepastButtermilk baking Powder Biscuits Canadian Bacon, Scrambled Eggs, CheesePancakesDrop Doughnuts rolled in cinnamon and sugar Jelly made from two winesCoffee cake, Blueberry Crumb Cake, Banana Bread, Cranberry bread Second Repast Butternut Squash SoupBroccoli, Carrot, Cauliflower CheddarSplit Pea with carrots, no meat Venison Beef Vegetable SoupSliced Roast Turkey Breast with gravy on the sideSliced Sirloin Tip Beef RoastChicken breast sliced then on skewers, dry rub of spices then grilled Dill PicklesBacon Beer Cheddar BreadWhite breadBelgian Chocolate blended and specially molded into bite size novelties Third RepastHam and Cheese SubsGrilled Chicken Legs dry rub Grilled Cheese sandwichesApple Pies, both Dutch and two crustGrape Pies Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ From caleb at buffnet.net Thu Oct 30 14:18:06 2008 From: caleb at buffnet.net (caleb at buffnet.net) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: Menu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31296.192.151.110.119.1225390686.squirrel@webmail.buffnet.net> You had me at "bacon". I'll see you Saturday. Caleb Reynolds Baron of the Rhydderich Hael from Work Land Arddenn or Deirdre Scot said: > > > > > > Amethyst Tourney Sideboard Menu > First RepastButtermilk Biscuits with round cut bacon, eggs and > cheeseFlat fried cakes from the panPuffed balls of fried dough rolled in > cinnamon and sugarBasket of Spiced Cakes and Fruited Bread Wine > JellySyrup of Maple Trees Second RepastSoup made from Gourds, Apples, > Onions and Bacon Cheese Soup with flowered Vegetables Soup of Mashed > Peas Broth of Strong Bones and Root Vegetables Roast Breast of Turkey > Slices with GravyFinely Sliced Roasted BeefHerb Skewered Grilled Breast > of Fowl Bread with Beer, Bacon and CheddarHearty White BreadWine > JellySoured dill PicklesMolded Belgian Chocolates Third Repast Long > Loaves of Bread stuffed with Sliced Ham, Cheese and lettucesGrilled Legs > of Fowl with garden spicesGrilled Cheese on Sliced BreadFreshly Baked > PretzelsPastry Encrusted Grapes and Apples Black Raspberry CobblerPeach > Shortcake Ginger Cookies Chocolate Chip Cookies Current English > Translation First RepastButtermilk baking Powder Biscuits Canadian > Bacon, Scrambled Eggs, CheesePancakesDrop Doughnuts rolled in cinnamon > and sugar Jelly made from two winesCoffee cake, Blueberry Crumb Cake, > Banana Bread, Cranberry bread Second Repast Butternut Squash > SoupBroccoli, Carrot, Cauliflower CheddarSplit Pea with carrots, no meat > Venison Beef Vegetable SoupSliced Roast Turkey Breast with gravy on the > sideSliced Sirloin Tip Beef RoastChicken breast sliced then on skewers, > dry rub of spices then grilled Dill PicklesBacon Beer Cheddar BreadWhite > breadBelgian Chocolate blended and specially molded into bite size > novelties Third RepastHam and Cheese SubsGrilled Chicken Legs dry rub > Grilled Cheese sandwichesApple Pies, both Dutch and two crustGrape Pies > > Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. > Learn Now > _________________________________________________________________ > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to > the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org > . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From duane at velocity.net Thu Oct 30 14:33:04 2008 From: duane at velocity.net (Duane Wilkey) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:33:04 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] Minor rattan combat policy meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Gold Chain is on the 8th. Those coming on the 9th will be drafted in to bit parts for the school's play which is rehearsing on the 9th. Take care, Alexander - Gold Chain co-autocrat >-----Original Message----- >From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc- >bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Rich G >Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:06 PM >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: [SCA-AE] Minor rattan combat policy meeting > >Forwarded upon request of the Kingdom Youth Marshal > >Rich Goranson (Lord Stephan Calvert deGrey) >============================ > >Greetings All, > >There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about >the >idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan >combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms >throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting >in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain >event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for >future events. All are encouraged to attend. > >That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, >nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or >training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan >practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group >sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. > >I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new >level >of our current program and increase participation for families in >?thelmearc. and I do remain... > > > >In Service to ?thelmearc >Jenna MacPherson >Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal > > >Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) >Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) > >"The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie > From bataarsogdo at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 15:29:00 2008 From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com (ron kummer) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:29:00 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Amethyst Invitational Tourney Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Amethyst Invitational Tourney November 1, 2008, Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands (Pittsburgh, PA.) Unto all good gentles of Noble Aethelmearc, from Syr Malcolm, Duke Prydeskeep, comes greetings and warm wishes. >From a great desire to become acquainted with and witness to acts of great Prowess and renown, let be called throughout the Sovereign Lands of Aethelmearc and all her neighbors that there is to be held a great Emprise upon the first day of November, Anno Societatis Forty Three. Wherein do we propose to challenge all Good Knights, esquires and gallant men and women of Arms, that they may seek throughout the Kingdom of Aethelmearc to perform chivalrous deeds of Prowess and Courtesy, and by so doing earn through their exemplary skill a Docket of Invitation to The Amethyst Invitational Tourney, a competition to be held in the manner and spirit of the great Tourneys of Renown of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries. Invitations have been carried throughout the land, far and wide. In all, our Heralds have supplied unto the populace Thirty two of these invitations, and thus shall The Emprise have exactly that many entrants. Upon the glorious day, where all Honor will be made to Crown and Country, the bearers of these invitations shall be permitted to present their dockets to the Master of the Lists, and have their helm entered upon the Rail for inspection and inclusion. There after, having had full inspection of armor and presence, and binding by oath to do all good combat and bring no malice unto the List of Glory, shall the entrants prepare for a double elimination tourney in the a-outrance style, wherein a single telling blow shall determine the victor and vanquished for the bouts. We do encourage all who would partake of the Glory of Chivalric Combat and Prowess; do attend upon these valiant Combatants, sharing a day of Honor, Pageantry, Fellowship and Courtesy. Refreshments are the course of Hospitality and will be provided throughout the day. Please do bring all manner of Banners and heraldic display, and we do greatly encourage the populace to come and fill the gallery with cheer and enthusiasm for the skill and enterprise of these worthy entrants. We would note that it is meet and right that should we see acts of Renown that they be rewarded with tokens of esteem. Thus do we also encourage the populace to bring some manner of object or item with which you can bestow these honors and thanks. We look forward to seeing all upon this day of Honor! The fee for the day is $8 for all adults which include the dayboard. All individuals under the age of 18 will be admitted for free. Note that the $3 NMS fee shall be collected where applicable. Please make checks payable to SCA, Inc - BMDL. The site opens at 10 am and closes at 6:30 pm. Reservations are being taken by Lady Renata L'Rouge, mka Karen Finnemore at 109 Kathleen St, Pittsburgh, Pa, 15211. She may be reached by email at ladyren *at* gmail.com or via phone at 724-771-7090. Any questions may also be directed to the Autocrat, Duke Malcolm (Preston Williams, 109 Kathleen St, Pittsburgh, Pa, 15211) at syrmalcolm *at* comcast.net or via phone at 412-606-4104. More information may also be found on the events website: http://www.clanoldcastle.com/amethyst.htm. DIRECTIONS: The event site is at the Dorseyville Fire Hall located at 100 Charles St, Pittsburgh, PA, 15238. >From the South, Follow I-79 toward Pittsburgh. Take exit 59A to merge onto I-279, and follow for 7.2 miles. Take exit 7C to merge onto Rt. 28 N toward Etna/Chestnut St./E Ohio St. Follow 28 N for 4.7 miles to exit 5B, Rt. PA-8 N. (this is a LEFT Exit) toward Butler. After 1.4 miles, turn right onto Saxonburg Blvd. The road forks immediately after the turn, bear to the left to stay on Saxonburg Blvd. Dorseyville Fire Hall is on the corner of Saxonburg and Charles St, about 6 miles after the turn off of Rt. 8. Parking is in the rear. >From the North, Follow your best path to Rt. 8. Following highways ** take I-79 S and get onto Rt. 76 E (Pennsylvania Turnpike). Get off onto the Butler Valley exit. Follow Rt. 8 South for approx 5 miles to Harts Run Rd. Turn left onto Harts Run Rd. Follow Harts Run Rd. to first light. At the light Turn left onto Saxonburg Blvd. Dorseyville Fire Hall will be approx 1 mile on your left at the intersection of Charles St. Parking is in the rear.From the West and East, either follow the Turnpike to Butler Valley exit or make your way I-79 and follow from above **. "When an archer is shooting for nothing he has all his skill. If he shoots for a brass buckle he is already nervous. If he shoots for a prize of gold he goes blind or sees two targets - he is out of his mind. His skill has not changed. But the prize divides him. He cares. He thinks more of winning than of shooting - and the need to win drains him of his power." 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Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers Begin forwarded message: > From: "Beitris ingen MacGhiolla Mhuire" > > Date: October 30, 2008 5:35:21 PM EDT > To: Norsefolk_2 at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Norsefolk_2] 50 years of Medieval Archaeology Journal? > Reply-To: Norsefolk_2 at yahoogroups.com > > Greetings all, > > I thought I would post this just in case some people are not aware of > this incredible resource. 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Phiala -- Sarah Goslee http://www.stringpage.com http://www.astronomicum.com http://www.functionaldiversity.org From thorgard12 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 18:26:28 2008 From: thorgard12 at yahoo.com (Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <485341.29006.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings: ? I saw this phrase: ? This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices [emphesis added] ? Please define:? informal group sponsored ? Thanks ? Thorgard ? ? --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: From: Carole Goranson Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM Greetings All, There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about the idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for future events. All are encouraged to attend. That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new level of our current program and increase participation for families in ?thelmearc. and I do remain... In Service to ?thelmearc Jenna MacPherson Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:AEyouthpolicy-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:AEyouthpolicy-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AEyouthpolicy-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com Thu Oct 30 18:48:34 2008 From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:34 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting References: <485341.29006.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you list the activity in your local newsletter or email list, it is group sponsored. If you say "the shire of [name] is holding an informal practice" then it is group sponsored. If you announce it at an SCA meeting as open to SCA people, it could be group sponsored. If you use the same site that your SCA group uses for practice at the same time that your SCA group uses the site, then it could be group sponsored. In all these cases, the "SCA" is responsible for an event and you can not do rattan practice with minors. If 6 people - who may happen to belong to the SCA and participate in SCA activities at other times - happen to teach minors some sort of martial art in their back yard, that is not our business. That is not all encompassing, but does it help? Dorinda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings: I saw this phrase: This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices [emphesis added] Please define: informal group sponsored Thanks Thorgard --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: From: Carole Goranson Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM Greetings All, There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about the idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for future events. All are encouraged to attend. That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new level of our current program and increase participation for families in ?thelmearc. and I do remain... In Service to ?thelmearc Jenna MacPherson Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:AEyouthpolicy-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:AEyouthpolicy-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AEyouthpolicy-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com Thu Oct 30 18:48:34 2008 From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:34 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting References: <485341.29006.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ If you list the activity in your local newsletter or email list, it is group sponsored. If you say "the shire of [name] is holding an informal practice" then it is group sponsored. If you announce it at an SCA meeting as open to SCA people, it could be group sponsored. If you use the same site that your SCA group uses for practice at the same time that your SCA group uses the site, then it could be group sponsored. In all these cases, the "SCA" is responsible for an event and you can not do rattan practice with minors. If 6 people - who may happen to belong to the SCA and participate in SCA activities at other times - happen to teach minors some sort of martial art in their back yard, that is not our business. That is not all encompassing, but does it help? Dorinda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings: I saw this phrase: This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices [emphesis added] Please define: informal group sponsored Thanks Thorgard --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: From: Carole Goranson Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM Greetings All, There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about the idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for future events. All are encouraged to attend. That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new level of our current program and increase participation for families in ?thelmearc. and I do remain... In Service to ?thelmearc Jenna MacPherson Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:AEyouthpolicy-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:AEyouthpolicy-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AEyouthpolicy-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From walkergary at rogers.com Thu Oct 30 18:50:23 2008 From: walkergary at rogers.com (GARY WALKER) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting Message-ID: <101470.30891.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Without insenting law breaking, treason and other negitive stuff, I would advise that AEthelmaearc check into the youth heavy fighting happening in Ealdormere. My own son hopes to authorise Nov 8 at Feast of the Hare in Skrealing at the age of 16. I know American Laws are different, God knows your lawyers are, but I don't think this is a huge leap. I would have my hesitations about putting a small 16 year old into the thick of Pennsic, but if you decide to go this rout, the law can be written to preclude that, if you so wish it. Just my comment. The kids at 16 are old enough to make this kind of decision. Holding them back to boffer I think bores some into leaving the SCA just on the cusp of being able to fully play. Duncan MacLeod ----- Original Message ---- From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com; AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com; announcements at aethelmearc.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26:28 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings: I saw this phrase: This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices [emphesis added] Please define: informal group sponsored Thanks Thorgard --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: From: Carole Goranson Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM Greetings All, There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about the idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for future events. All are encouraged to attend. That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new level of our current program and increase participation for families in ?thelmearc. and I do remain... In Service to ?thelmearc Jenna MacPherson Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:AEyouthpolicy-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:AEyouthpolicy-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AEyouthpolicy-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________________ Sca-aethelmearc mailing list Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list. Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From euriol at ptd.net Thu Oct 30 19:07:30 2008 From: euriol at ptd.net (euriol) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:07:30 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting In-Reply-To: <101470.30891.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <101470.30891.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If I'm not mistaken, the AEthelmearc policy is due to "state" laws, not "federal" laws. I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Euriol On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:50:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote: > Hello > > Without insenting law breaking, treason and other negitive stuff, I would > advise that AEthelmaearc check into the youth heavy fighting happening in > Ealdormere. My own son hopes to authorise Nov 8 at Feast of the Hare in > Skrealing at the age of 16. I know American Laws are different, God knows > your lawyers are, but I don't think this is a huge leap. > I would have my hesitations about putting a small 16 year old into the > thick of Pennsic, but if you decide to go this rout, the law can be > written to preclude that, if you so wish it. > Just my comment. The kids at 16 are old enough to make this kind of > decision. Holding them back to boffer I think bores some into leaving the > SCA just on the cusp of being able to fully play. > > Duncan MacLeod > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" > To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com; AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com; > announcements at aethelmearc.org > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy > meeting > > Keywords: AEnnouncements > ________________________________________________________________________ > Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. > Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org > or directly to the person making the announcement. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Greetings: > > I saw this phrase: > > This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA > event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices > [emphesis added] > > Please define: informal group sponsored > > Thanks > > Thorgard > > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: > > From: Carole Goranson > Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting > To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, > announcements at aethelmearc.org > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM > > Greetings All, > > There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about > the > idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan > combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms > throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting > > in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain > > event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for > future events. All are encouraged to attend. > > That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, > nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or > training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan > practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group > sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. > > I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new > level > of our current program and increase participation for families in > ?thelmearc. and I do remain... > > > > In Service to ?thelmearc > Jenna MacPherson > Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal > > > Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) > Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) > > "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo > Guthrie > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join > (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the > list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Thu Oct 30 19:07:43 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:07:43 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting In-Reply-To: <101470.30891.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <101470.30891.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Different kingdoms have different rules, my lord Duncan. Aethelmearc is discussing changing our rules; until then, the prohibition IS in effect in Aethelmearc as THL Jenna has said. Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers On Oct 30, 2008, at 6:50 PM, GARY WALKER wrote: > Hello > > Without insenting law breaking, treason and other negitive stuff, I > would advise that AEthelmaearc check into the youth heavy fighting > happening in Ealdormere. My own son hopes to authorise Nov 8 at > Feast of the Hare in Skrealing at the age of 16. I know American > Laws are different, God knows your lawyers are, but I don't think > this is a huge leap. > I would have my hesitations about putting a small 16 year old into > the thick of Pennsic, but if you decide to go this rout, the law can > be written to preclude that, if you so wish it. > Just my comment. The kids at 16 are old enough to make this kind of > decision. Holding them back to boffer I think bores some into > leaving the SCA just on the cusp of being able to fully play. > > Duncan MacLeod > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" > To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com; AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com; announcements at aethelmearc.org > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat > policy meeting > > Keywords: AEnnouncements > ________________________________________________________________________ > Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. > Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org > or directly to the person making the announcement. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Greetings: > > I saw this phrase: > > This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at > any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and > practices [emphesis added] > > Please define: informal group sponsored > > Thanks > > Thorgard > > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: > > From: Carole Goranson > Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting > To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM > > Greetings All, > > There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, > about the > idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult > rattan > combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms > throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational > meeting > in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold > Chain > event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned > for > future events. All are encouraged to attend. > > That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, > nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan > combat or > training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids > rattan > practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal > group > sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental > supervision. > > I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a > new level > of our current program and increase participation for families in > ?thelmearc. and I do remain... > > > > In Service to ?thelmearc > Jenna MacPherson > Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal > > > Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) > Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) > > "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo > Guthrie > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join > (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com Thu Oct 30 19:18:39 2008 From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:18:39 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting In-Reply-To: References: <101470.30891.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3797797D-6AC1-4DA4-8419-6EFEA8BF7D96@rochester.rr.com> Actually I believe that it is neither. At Curia in Herontir, the statement was made that the Society Seneschal had researched the laws & found that none of the 3 states Aethelmearc is in ban adults & minors from engaging in martial acivities under strit rules (my wording, not necessarily the actual words the S.S. used). Countess Caryl can expand & clarify. The idea is that we need to approach this situation carefully, being certain that our rules are precise, do what we want, & that we have enough authorized, background-checked marshalls to make it feasible. I think the slow & careful approach is the best one that we should can take. Fridrikr inn gamli grasgar?r dvergr siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr non verba, acta Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers On Oct 30, 2008, at 7:07 PM, euriol wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, the AEthelmearc policy is due to "state" laws, > not > "federal" laws. I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong. > > Euriol > > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:50:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote: >> Hello >> >> Without insenting law breaking, treason and other negitive stuff, I >> would >> advise that AEthelmaearc check into the youth heavy fighting >> happening in >> Ealdormere. My own son hopes to authorise Nov 8 at Feast of the >> Hare in >> Skrealing at the age of 16. I know American Laws are different, God >> knows >> your lawyers are, but I don't think this is a huge leap. >> I would have my hesitations about putting a small 16 year old into >> the >> thick of Pennsic, but if you decide to go this rout, the law can be >> written to preclude that, if you so wish it. >> Just my comment. The kids at 16 are old enough to make this kind of >> decision. Holding them back to boffer I think bores some into >> leaving the >> SCA just on the cusp of being able to fully play. >> >> Duncan MacLeod >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" >> To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com; AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com; >> announcements at aethelmearc.org >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat > policy >> meeting >> >> Keywords: AEnnouncements >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. >> Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org >> or directly to the person making the announcement. >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Greetings: >> >> I saw this phrase: >> >> This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at >> any SCA >> event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices >> [emphesis added] >> >> Please define: informal group sponsored >> >> Thanks >> >> Thorgard >> >> >> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson >> wrote: >> >> From: Carole Goranson >> Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting >> To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, >> announcements at aethelmearc.org >> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM >> >> Greetings All, >> >> There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, >> about >> the >> idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult >> rattan > >> combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms >> throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational > meeting >> >> in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold > Chain >> >> event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned >> for >> future events. All are encouraged to attend. >> >> That having been said, I want to mention that currently in >> ?thelmearc, >> nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan >> combat or >> training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids >> rattan >> practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal >> group > >> sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental > supervision. >> >> I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a >> new >> level >> of our current program and increase participation for families in >> ?thelmearc. and I do remain... >> >> >> >> In Service to ?thelmearc >> Jenna MacPherson >> Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal >> >> >> Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) >> Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) >> >> "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo >> Guthrie >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >> to > the >> list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >> for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post >> to > the >> list. >> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc >> for: >> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >> _________________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post > to the list. > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc > for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > _________________________________________________________________________ From euriol at ptd.net Thu Oct 30 19:31:19 2008 From: euriol at ptd.net (euriol) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:31:19 -0400 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting In-Reply-To: <3797797D-6AC1-4DA4-8419-6EFEA8BF7D96@rochester.rr.com> References: <101470.30891.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3797797D-6AC1-4DA4-8419-6EFEA8BF7D96@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <0e7d467057b54596f5ff114c5df542ee@ptd.net> Thank you so much for the correction. When I first came here 4 years ago, that is what I was told. It seemed to make logical sense why the policy was different than my former kingdom (which had a much less formal policy and also was in the process of being reworked for a couple of years prior to my move). I also agree that a slow & careful approach is the best way to go in such a matter. Euriol On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:18:39 -0400, wrote: > Actually I believe that it is neither. At Curia in Herontir, the > statement was made that the Society Seneschal had researched the laws > & found that none of the 3 states Aethelmearc is in ban adults & > minors from engaging in martial acivities under strit rules (my > wording, not necessarily the actual words the S.S. used). Countess > Caryl can expand & clarify. > > The idea is that we need to approach this situation carefully, being > certain that our rules are precise, do what we want, & that we have > enough authorized, background-checked marshalls to make it feasible. > > I think the slow & careful approach is the best one that we should can > take. > > Fridrikr inn gamli > > grasgar?r dvergr > siginn ok glotti landvarnarmodr > non verba, acta > Don't sweat the small stuff, Gnomes for example. - DorkTowers > > On Oct 30, 2008, at 7:07 PM, euriol wrote: > >> If I'm not mistaken, the AEthelmearc policy is due to "state" laws, >> not >> "federal" laws. I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> Euriol >> >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:50:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote: >>> Hello >>> >>> Without insenting law breaking, treason and other negitive stuff, I >>> would >>> advise that AEthelmaearc check into the youth heavy fighting >>> happening in >>> Ealdormere. My own son hopes to authorise Nov 8 at Feast of the >>> Hare in >>> Skrealing at the age of 16. I know American Laws are different, God >>> knows >>> your lawyers are, but I don't think this is a huge leap. >>> I would have my hesitations about putting a small 16 year old into >>> the >>> thick of Pennsic, but if you decide to go this rout, the law can be >>> written to preclude that, if you so wish it. >>> Just my comment. The kids at 16 are old enough to make this kind of >>> decision. Holding them back to boffer I think bores some into >>> leaving the >>> SCA just on the cusp of being able to fully play. >>> >>> Duncan MacLeod >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" >>> To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com; AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com; >>> announcements at aethelmearc.org >>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat >> policy >>> meeting >>> >>> Keywords: AEnnouncements >>> > ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. >>> Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org >>> or directly to the person making the announcement. >>> > ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Greetings: >>> >>> I saw this phrase: >>> >>> This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at >>> any SCA >>> event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices >>> [emphesis added] >>> >>> Please define: informal group sponsored >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Thorgard >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson >>> wrote: >>> >>> From: Carole Goranson >>> Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting >>> To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, >>> announcements at aethelmearc.org >>> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM >>> >>> Greetings All, >>> >>> There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, >>> about >>> the >>> idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult >>> rattan >> >>> combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms >>> throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational >> meeting >>> >>> in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold >> Chain >>> >>> event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned >>> for >>> future events. All are encouraged to attend. >>> >>> That having been said, I want to mention that currently in >>> ?thelmearc, >>> nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan >>> combat or >>> training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids >>> rattan >>> practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal >>> group >> >>> sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental >> supervision. >>> >>> I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a >>> new >>> level >>> of our current program and increase participation for families in >>> ?thelmearc. and I do remain... >>> >>> >>> >>> In Service to ?thelmearc >>> Jenna MacPherson >>> Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal >>> >>> >>> Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) >>> Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) >>> >>> "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo >>> Guthrie >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! 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In service jenna Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie >From: "Michael \"Thorgard\" DeHaan" >Reply-To: discussion at aethelmearc.org, Thorgard12 at Yahoo.com >To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, >announcements at aethelmearc.org >Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat >policymeeting >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:26:28 -0700 (PDT) > >Keywords: AEnnouncements >________________________________________________________________________ >Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. >Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org >or directly to the person making the announcement. >________________________________________________________________________ >Greetings: > >I saw this phrase: > >This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA >event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices >[emphesis added] > >Please define: informal group sponsored > >Thanks > >Thorgard > > >--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: > >From: Carole Goranson >Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting >To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, >announcements at aethelmearc.org >Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM > >Greetings All, > >There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about >the >idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan >combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms >throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting >in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain >event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for >future events. All are encouraged to attend. > >That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, >nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or >training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan >practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group >sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. > >I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new >level >of our current program and increase participation for families in >?thelmearc. and I do remain... > > > >In Service to ?thelmearc >Jenna MacPherson >Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal > > >Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) >Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) > >"The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo >Guthrie > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ > ><*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > ><*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join > (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ From jennamacpherson at msn.com Thu Oct 30 19:32:26 2008 From: jennamacpherson at msn.com (Carole Goranson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:32:26 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting In-Reply-To: <485341.29006.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- i suppose i should have said "formal or informal" but actually the most significant phrase here is "group sponsored gatherings and practices" this means that any activity taking place under the banner and insurance of the society. this includes any publicized gathering or practice. if it is in you newsletter or on your website or announcesd through any of the AE or SCA lists it is a "group sponsored function" and under 18 with rattan is not allowed. In service jenna Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie >From: "Michael \"Thorgard\" DeHaan" >Reply-To: discussion at aethelmearc.org, Thorgard12 at Yahoo.com >To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, >announcements at aethelmearc.org >Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat >policymeeting >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:26:28 -0700 (PDT) > >Keywords: AEnnouncements >________________________________________________________________________ >Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. >Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org >or directly to the person making the announcement. >________________________________________________________________________ >Greetings: > >I saw this phrase: > >This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA >event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices >[emphesis added] > >Please define: informal group sponsored > >Thanks > >Thorgard > > >--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: > >From: Carole Goranson >Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting >To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, >announcements at aethelmearc.org >Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM > >Greetings All, > >There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about >the >idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan >combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms >throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting >in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain >event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for >future events. All are encouraged to attend. > >That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, >nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or >training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan >practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group >sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. > >I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new >level >of our current program and increase participation for families in >?thelmearc. and I do remain... > > > >In Service to ?thelmearc >Jenna MacPherson >Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal > > >Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) >Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) > >"The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo >Guthrie > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ > ><*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > ><*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join > (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >_________________________________________________________________________ From jennamacpherson at msn.com Thu Oct 30 19:36:47 2008 From: jennamacpherson at msn.com (Carole Goranson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:36:47 -0500 Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: the aethelmearc policy for 16+ using rattan is ntot currently based on any laws. basically it something we are just beginning to investigate now that we have a few good years of the youth combat program under our belts. be assured though that all mundane and society laws will be taken into account before anyone swings the stick :0) jenna Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie >From: euriol >Reply-To: discussion at aethelmearc.org, euriol at ptd.net >To: discussion at aethelmearc.org >Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat >policymeeting >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:07:30 -0400 > >If I'm not mistaken, the AEthelmearc policy is due to "state" laws, not >"federal" laws. I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong. > >Euriol > >On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:50:23 -0700 (PDT), wrote: > > Hello > > > > Without insenting law breaking, treason and other negitive stuff, I >would > > advise that AEthelmaearc check into the youth heavy fighting happening >in > > Ealdormere. My own son hopes to authorise Nov 8 at Feast of the Hare in > > Skrealing at the age of 16. I know American Laws are different, God >knows > > your lawyers are, but I don't think this is a huge leap. > > I would have my hesitations about putting a small 16 year old into the > > thick of Pennsic, but if you decide to go this rout, the law can be > > written to preclude that, if you so wish it. > > Just my comment. The kids at 16 are old enough to make this kind of > > decision. Holding them back to boffer I think bores some into leaving >the > > SCA just on the cusp of being able to fully play. > > > > Duncan MacLeod > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" > > To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com; AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com; > > announcements at aethelmearc.org > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat >policy > > meeting > > > > Keywords: AEnnouncements > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. > > Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org > > or directly to the person making the announcement. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Greetings: > > > > I saw this phrase: > > > > This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any >SCA > > event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices > > [emphesis added] > > > > Please define: informal group sponsored > > > > Thanks > > > > Thorgard > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: > > > > From: Carole Goranson > > Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting > > To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, > > announcements at aethelmearc.org > > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM > > > > Greetings All, > > > > There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about > > the > > idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult >rattan > > > combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms > > throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational >meeting > > > > in ??thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold >Chain > > > > event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for > > future events. All are encouraged to attend. > > > > That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ??thelmearc, > > nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or > > training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan > > practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal >group > > > sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental >supervision. > > > > I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new > > level > > of our current program and increase participation for families in > > ??thelmearc. and I do remain... > > > > > > > > In Service to ??thelmearc > > Jenna MacPherson > > Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal > > > > > > Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) > > Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ??thelmearc) > > > > "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo > > Guthrie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ > > > > <*> Your email settings: > > Individual Email | Traditional > > > > <*> To change settings online go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > > > <*> To change settings via email: > > mailto:AEyouthpolicy-digest at yahoogroups.com > > mailto:AEyouthpolicy-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > AEyouthpolicy-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >the > > list. > > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Sca-aethelmearc mailing list > > Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to >the > > list. > > Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . > > Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. > > When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Sca-aethelmearc mailing list >Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the >list. >Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org . >Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: > more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. >When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. >________________________________________________________________________ From thorgard12 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 09:45:12 2008 From: thorgard12 at yahoo.com (Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <234931.93863.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes,? Thank you --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Dorinda Courtine-White wrote: From: Dorinda Courtine-White Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting To: discussion at aethelmearc.org, Thorgard12 at Yahoo.com, AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:48 PM If you list the activity in your local newsletter or email list, it is group sponsored. If you say "the shire of [name] is holding an informal practice" then it is group sponsored. If you announce it at an SCA meeting as open to SCA people, it could be group sponsored. If you use the same site that your SCA group uses for practice at the same time that your SCA group uses the site, then it could be group sponsored. In all these cases, the "SCA" is responsible for an event and you can not do rattan practice with minors. If 6 people - who may happen to belong to the SCA and participate in SCA activities at other times - happen to teach minors some sort of martial art in their back yard, that is not our business. That is not all encompassing, but does it help? Dorinda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings: I saw this phrase: This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices [emphesis added] Please define: informal group sponsored Thanks Thorgard --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: From: Carole Goranson Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM Greetings All, There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about the idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for future events. All are encouraged to attend. That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new level of our current program and increase participation for families in ?thelmearc. and I do remain... In Service to ?thelmearc Jenna MacPherson Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:AEyouthpolicy-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:AEyouthpolicy-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AEyouthpolicy-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for: more info, archives, subscription changes, etc. When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage. _________________________________________________________________________ From thorgard12 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 09:45:12 2008 From: thorgard12 at yahoo.com (Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <234931.93863.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Yes,? Thank you --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Dorinda Courtine-White wrote: From: Dorinda Courtine-White Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting To: discussion at aethelmearc.org, Thorgard12 at Yahoo.com, AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:48 PM If you list the activity in your local newsletter or email list, it is group sponsored. If you say "the shire of [name] is holding an informal practice" then it is group sponsored. If you announce it at an SCA meeting as open to SCA people, it could be group sponsored. If you use the same site that your SCA group uses for practice at the same time that your SCA group uses the site, then it could be group sponsored. In all these cases, the "SCA" is responsible for an event and you can not do rattan practice with minors. If 6 people - who may happen to belong to the SCA and participate in SCA activities at other times - happen to teach minors some sort of martial art in their back yard, that is not our business. That is not all encompassing, but does it help? Dorinda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael "Thorgard" DeHaan" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policymeeting Keywords: AEnnouncements ________________________________________________________________________ Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only. Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org or directly to the person making the announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ Greetings: I saw this phrase: This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices [emphesis added] Please define: informal group sponsored Thanks Thorgard --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Carole Goranson wrote: From: Carole Goranson Subject: [AEyouthpolicy] Minor rattan combat policy meeting To: AEyouthpolicy at yahoogroups.com, AEYouthCombat at yahoogroups.com, announcements at aethelmearc.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 1:45 PM Greetings All, There has been a lot of conversation lately, at events and online, about the idea of allowing youths age 16-17 to begin learning standard adult rattan combat. This is an option available at Pennsic and in many kingdoms throughout the Known World. The first organizational/informational meeting in ?thelmearc for this purpose is scheduled for the Stormsport Gold Chain event on November 9, 2008. Several other meetings are being planned for future events. All are encouraged to attend. That having been said, I want to mention that currently in ?thelmearc, nobody under the age of 18 is allowed to participate in rattan combat or training at any SCA sponsored function. This restriction forbids rattan practice or fighting by minors at any SCA event, including informal group sponsored gatherings and practices, even with direct parental supervision. I look forward to some lively discussion and the chance to build a new level of our current program and increase participation for families in ?thelmearc. and I do remain... In Service to ?thelmearc Jenna MacPherson Kingdom Youth Combat Marshal Carole Goranson (THL Jenna MacPherson of Lion's Tower) Amherst, NY (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc) "The problems of the world can't be solved in meters." - Arlo Guthrie ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AEyouthpolicy/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:AEyouthpolicy-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:AEyouthpolicy-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AEyouthpolicy-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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