From euriol at ptd.net  Thu May  1 08:11:48 2008
From: euriol at ptd.net (Cassandra Baldassano)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:11:48 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Happy New Year!
Message-ID: <029401c8ab84$88400970$1102a8c0@snowleopard>

Just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year as we start the 43rd year of
this our society.

Euriol of Lothian, OP
Minister of Arts & Sciences, Barony of Endless Hills
Clerk, Order of the Pelican, Kingdom of ?thelmearc

"I slept and dreamt that life was joy. I awoke and saw that life was
service. I acted and behold, service was joy."
-Robindranath Tagore, Poet/Playwright/Essayist 1913 Nobel Prize for
Literature


From faoiltairn at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 11:06:38 2008
From: faoiltairn at yahoo.com (Brigit Faoiltairn)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:06:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Pennsic Parking in Marion Mcculloch's Yard
Message-ID: <792015.3998.qm@web54408.mail.yahoo.com>



Brigit Faoiltairn <faoiltairn at yahoo.com> wrote:    For all who park in Marion McCulloch's yard.
  
 
  I am friends with her son, he told me the other day that there will be no parking in her yard this year. DO NOT send checks to her as she has sold the house last month and the new owners as of right now are not going to let anyone park there. 
   
  So if you know anyone who parks in her yard tell them that there will be no parking. Paul didnt want people to get there expecting to park in the yard and not be able to. So if someone can cross post this to other kingdoms I would appreciate it.
   
  Honored to Serve,
  Brigit ni Faoiltairn


  
  
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From poohsnoopybear at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 12:15:50 2008
From: poohsnoopybear at yahoo.com (Michele Thomas)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] OT-Pavillion for sale -PRICE REDUCED!!!
Message-ID: <253251.47454.qm@web63410.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
?
Calum and I?are selling our Trader's Pavillion, details below. It is aproximately four years old and in excellent shape - we simply do not need it as we have purchased a Civil War style wall tent.?If interested, please let us know. It has only been used at Pennsics and one Civil War event. Pictures can be provided if desired and delivery can arranged for War Practice.
?
Thanks,
Trinity
Shire of Kings Crossing
poohsnoopybear at yahoo.com
?
?
Price??????????????????????? Item

$870?????????????????????? 12x16 10.38 oz. Sunforger w Flame Retardant Trader's Pavillion 
??????????????????????????????? specifications at www.pantherprimitives.com
$192?????????????????????? w. green scallops - George Washington pattern
$460????????????????????? Set up package - all poles, ropes, stakes 
?????????????????????????????? & 1 storage bag (ridge & uprights factory spliced/sleeved)
$36??????????????????????? Tent pole bags (2)
$7????????????????????????? Heavy stake bag

$10??????????????????????? Large ground tarp
$20??????????????????????? Plastic storage bins (2)
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$1595????????????????????Total Cost
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Will sell for $1000
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From gabrielle at patmedia.net  Thu May  1 15:33:06 2008
From: gabrielle at patmedia.net (Gabrielle Taylor)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:33:06 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
References: <084901c8a0c2$9d3401f0$657ba8c0@juliana>
	<002f01c8ab07$475ac170$d92e434a@pb1bf388cb68bb>
Message-ID: <054301c8abc2$2e6671d0$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>

Timothy would like to know if there is practice tonight and where it is ... 
he is heading out to Lewisburg and can stop by after if it is close by. 
Thanks for any info, I will get in touch and let him know if there is a 
practice happening...

Gabrielle 


From jboyd4650 at comcast.net  Thu May  1 16:09:51 2008
From: jboyd4650 at comcast.net (James Boyd)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 16:09:51 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
References: <084901c8a0c2$9d3401f0$657ba8c0@juliana>
	<002f01c8ab07$475ac170$d92e434a@pb1bf388cb68bb>
	<054301c8abc2$2e6671d0$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>
Message-ID: <qvjwsmd7pm8.fsf@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu>

Is this fencing, or heavy weapons?

Sven

From jboyd4650 at comcast.net  Thu May  1 16:12:34 2008
From: jboyd4650 at comcast.net (James Boyd)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 16:12:34 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
References: <084901c8a0c2$9d3401f0$657ba8c0@juliana>
	<002f01c8ab07$475ac170$d92e434a@pb1bf388cb68bb>
	<054301c8abc2$2e6671d0$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>
Message-ID: <qvjve1x7php.fsf@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu>

Is this fencing, or heavy weapons?

Sven

From thegeorg at stny.rr.com  Thu May  1 16:19:11 2008
From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 16:19:11 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
In-Reply-To: <054301c8abc2$2e6671d0$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>
References: <084901c8a0c2$9d3401f0$657ba8c0@juliana>	<002f01c8ab07$475ac170$d92e434a@pb1bf388cb68bb>
	<054301c8abc2$2e6671d0$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>
Message-ID: <481A25BF.3050909@stny.rr.com>

Gabrielle Taylor wrote:
> Timothy would like to know if there is practice tonight and where it is ... 
> he is heading out to Lewisburg and can stop by after if it is close by. 
> Thanks for any info, I will get in touch and let him know if there is a 
> practice happening...

It's in Delhi tonight.

-george

Copied from Olaf's earlier post:

Meetings
Delhi
Thurs May 1

In Service,
Olaf Thornstein

Delhi DIRECTIONS: from Binghamton Rt. 88 to Bainbridge exit. Turn
right onto 206 towards Walton (20 miles). In Walton turn left at stop 
light onto rte 10.
Follow rte 10 to Delhi (20 miles). You are real close now. In Delhi
pass SUNY on left and turn right at the first traffic light. Pass over
small bridges and slow down for a sharp bend to the right. The next left 
is your turn but don't follow that road up the hill. You want the school
entrance to the right that is right at the interscection. Follow drive 
way up the hill and enter the front door under the clocktower (after you 
park the car). Turn right in the hall. We are on the Right halfway down 
the hallway in the Library on the left, after the stairs.

From angusm0628 at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 16:21:04 2008
From: angusm0628 at yahoo.com (Kenneth arndt)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
In-Reply-To: <qvjve1x7php.fsf@unix33.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <806800.82519.qm@web33601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

   I think this went to the wrong list. It's in reference to the local practice here
   
  Angus MacClerie

James Boyd <jboyd4650 at comcast.net> wrote:
  Is this fencing, or heavy weapons?

Sven
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From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com  Thu May  1 16:26:34 2008
From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:26:34 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
In-Reply-To: <481A25BF.3050909@stny.rr.com>
References: <084901c8a0c2$9d3401f0$657ba8c0@juliana>	<002f01c8ab07$475ac170$d92e434a@pb1bf388cb68bb><054301c8abc2$2e6671d0$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>
	<481A25BF.3050909@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C7B49D0E12A66F449112CCF2BC4933B107234F38@USA0300MS01.na.xerox.net>

Whew!  I am glad someone knew where all this was happening.  I didn't
even know what STATE we were talking about.

I suppose it is possible that there is a local group dl for Sterlynge
Vayle that could have been used?

A no longer confused Orianna

-----Original Message-----
From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
[mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of georg
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:19 PM
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?

Gabrielle Taylor wrote:
> Timothy would like to know if there is practice tonight and where it
is ... 
> he is heading out to Lewisburg and can stop by after if it is close
by. 
> Thanks for any info, I will get in touch and let him know if there is
a 
> practice happening...

It's in Delhi tonight.

-george

Copied from Olaf's earlier post:

Meetings
Delhi
Thurs May 1

In Service,
Olaf Thornstein

Delhi DIRECTIONS: from Binghamton Rt. 88 to Bainbridge exit. Turn
right onto 206 towards Walton (20 miles). In Walton turn left at stop 
light onto rte 10.
Follow rte 10 to Delhi (20 miles). You are real close now. In Delhi
pass SUNY on left and turn right at the first traffic light. Pass over
small bridges and slow down for a sharp bend to the right. The next left

is your turn but don't follow that road up the hill. You want the school
entrance to the right that is right at the interscection. Follow drive 
way up the hill and enter the front door under the clocktower (after you

park the car). Turn right in the hall. We are on the Right halfway down 
the hallway in the Library on the left, after the stairs.
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From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Thu May  1 16:39:50 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:39:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
In-Reply-To: <806800.82519.qm@web33601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <806800.82519.qm@web33601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2B6C61F4-00C0-4A5F-B4A7-A42802AEEE00@rochester.rr.com>

And here we all were, checking our GoogleMaps.........


On May 1, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Kenneth arndt wrote:

>   I think this went to the wrong list. It's in reference to the  
> local practice here
>
>  Angus MacClerie
>
> James Boyd <jboyd4650 at comcast.net> wrote:
>  Is this fencing, or heavy weapons?
>
> Sven
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From gabrielle at patmedia.net  Thu May  1 16:41:10 2008
From: gabrielle at patmedia.net (Gabrielle Taylor)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:41:10 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
References: <806800.82519.qm@web33601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <057d01c8abcb$b06e2b60$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>

Sorry!  Previously I had posted to the wrong Abhainn Ciach Glais list and I 
was trying to post to the more frequented list one now.  Thanks very much 
for the information about the heavy weapons practice local to 
Lewisburg/Williamsport.

Gabrielle
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From: "Kenneth arndt" <angusm0628 at yahoo.com>
To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?


>   I think this went to the wrong list. It's in reference to the local 
> practice here
>
>  Angus MacClerie
>
> James Boyd <jboyd4650 at comcast.net> wrote:
>  Is this fencing, or heavy weapons?
>
> Sven
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From thegeorg at stny.rr.com  Thu May  1 16:53:58 2008
From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 16:53:58 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Practice tonight?
In-Reply-To: <057d01c8abcb$b06e2b60$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>
References: <806800.82519.qm@web33601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<057d01c8abcb$b06e2b60$6601a8c0@D8DWHV91>
Message-ID: <481A2DE6.8070303@stny.rr.com>

Gabrielle Taylor wrote:
> Sorry!  Previously I had posted to the wrong Abhainn Ciach Glais list and I 
> was trying to post to the more frequented list one now.  Thanks very much 
> for the information about the heavy weapons practice local to 
> Lewisburg/Williamsport.

Okay, my fault as well.  I knew we were having practice tonight and 
assumed that Gabrielle was one of the new people we've had, and I just 
responded without checking the address.

I'm sorry, but Delhi isn't near Lewisburg/Williamsport.

-george

From docatlas at yahoo.com  Thu May  1 17:01:27 2008
From: docatlas at yahoo.com (Scott)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:01:27 -0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] Pennsic Parking in Marion Mcculloch's Yard
In-Reply-To: <792015.3998.qm@web54408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fvdb37+95op@eGroups.com>

I wish Mrs. McCulloch the best with her move, but it does create some
problems for some of us who must day-trip. Is there any sort of
reserved parking on site one can pay for? I remember years ago making
a donation to the fire department, and getting a reserved pass; is
anything like that still in place?

Last year wasn't a problem, I had both weeks of Pennsic off from
work. This year, I'm getting married at Pennsic, and couldn't get
either week free, so I'll be doing a lot of driving. Oh well...

I've forwarded the message to my campmates who don't subscribe to the 
list; some of them also parked there. Thanks for the heads-up.
> 
> 
> Brigit Faoiltairn <faoiltairn at ...> wrote:    For all who park in 
Marion McCulloch's yard.
>   
>  
>   I am friends with her son, he told me the other day that there 
will be no parking in her yard this year. DO NOT send checks to her 
as she has sold the house last month and the new owners as of right 
now are not going to let anyone park there. 
>    
>   So if you know anyone who parks in her yard tell them that there 
will be no parking. Paul didnt want people to get there expecting to 
park in the yard and not be able to. So if someone can cross post 
this to other kingdoms I would appreciate it.
>    
>   Honored to Serve,
>   Brigit ni Faoiltairn
> 



From angelik at aethelmearc.net  Thu May  1 17:09:09 2008
From: angelik at aethelmearc.net (angelik at aethelmearc.net)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:09:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Call for Bids and Ideas
Message-ID: <3048.75.187.175.115.1209676149.squirrel@www.aethelmearc.net>

Oyez! Oyez!

Greetings Unto The Good Kingdom of AEthelmearc!

This missive is to all those who love to see our Great Kingdom shine!  It
is the desire of our Most Royal Majesties to put our best foot forward and
show the greatness and beauty of our Fair Kingdom.

It has been noted that some of the regalia of our Kingdom is not as shiny
as it once was.  Some well loved pieces of our Kingdom's history need
replaced.

A request has been made that bids for certain items be put forth for the
following items:

- A new Kingdom gate for the Royal Encampment at Pennsic
- Heirs thrones
- Kingdom banners - medium sized and some smaller ones
- Pennants in the Kingdom's colors
- Banner stands
- Baldrics for the King's & Queen's Guard and Retaining staff

Our Kingdom is fortunate to have many skilled and talented artisans among
our citizens.  So please, all those individuals who wish to help our Great
Kingdom outshine all others of the Known World put your ideas to
parchment, or e-mail, and send them to Their Majesties so that they may
choose what delights them.

In Service,

Angelik
Kingdom Chamberlain








From angelik at aethelmearc.net  Thu May  1 17:09:09 2008
From: angelik at aethelmearc.net (angelik at aethelmearc.net)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:09:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Call for Bids and Ideas
Message-ID: <3048.75.187.175.115.1209676149.squirrel@www.aethelmearc.net>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
Oyez! Oyez!

Greetings Unto The Good Kingdom of AEthelmearc!

This missive is to all those who love to see our Great Kingdom shine!  It
is the desire of our Most Royal Majesties to put our best foot forward and
show the greatness and beauty of our Fair Kingdom.

It has been noted that some of the regalia of our Kingdom is not as shiny
as it once was.  Some well loved pieces of our Kingdom's history need
replaced.

A request has been made that bids for certain items be put forth for the
following items:

- A new Kingdom gate for the Royal Encampment at Pennsic
- Heirs thrones
- Kingdom banners - medium sized and some smaller ones
- Pennants in the Kingdom's colors
- Banner stands
- Baldrics for the King's & Queen's Guard and Retaining staff

Our Kingdom is fortunate to have many skilled and talented artisans among
our citizens.  So please, all those individuals who wish to help our Great
Kingdom outshine all others of the Known World put your ideas to
parchment, or e-mail, and send them to Their Majesties so that they may
choose what delights them.

In Service,

Angelik
Kingdom Chamberlain








From jfkyle at gmail.com  Thu May  1 17:11:26 2008
From: jfkyle at gmail.com (john kyle)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:11:26 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Pennsic Parking in Marion Mcculloch's Yard
In-Reply-To: <fvdb37+95op@eGroups.com>
References: <792015.3998.qm@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> <fvdb37+95op@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dd684d40805011411x5e3958e4pa2843cdce4246b31@mail.gmail.com>

don't know if it will do any good but there is a church within walking
distance on currie road.  might be where they do the blood drive.  have no
idea if they'd let you park there or not.  and i don't know the name of the
church.

good luck!

sionn, the lost


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Scott <docatlas at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I wish Mrs. McCulloch the best with her move, but it does create some
> problems for some of us who must day-trip. Is there any sort of
> reserved parking on site one can pay for? I remember years ago making
> a donation to the fire department, and getting a reserved pass; is
> anything like that still in place?
>
> Last year wasn't a problem, I had both weeks of Pennsic off from
> work. This year, I'm getting married at Pennsic, and couldn't get
> either week free, so I'll be doing a lot of driving. Oh well...
>
> I've forwarded the message to my campmates who don't subscribe to the
> list; some of them also parked there. Thanks for the heads-up.
> >
> >
> > Brigit Faoiltairn <faoiltairn at ...> wrote:    For all who park in
> Marion McCulloch's yard.
> >
> >
> >   I am friends with her son, he told me the other day that there
> will be no parking in her yard this year. DO NOT send checks to her
> as she has sold the house last month and the new owners as of right
> now are not going to let anyone park there.
> >
> >   So if you know anyone who parks in her yard tell them that there
> will be no parking. Paul didnt want people to get there expecting to
> park in the yard and not be able to. So if someone can cross post
> this to other kingdoms I would appreciate it.
> >
> >   Honored to Serve,
> >   Brigit ni Faoiltairn
> >
>
>
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From amergina at mac.com  Thu May  1 17:20:18 2008
From: amergina at mac.com (Ann Kopchik)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:20:18 -0700
Subject: [SCA-AE] Pennsic Parking in Marion Mcculloch's Yard
In-Reply-To: <fvdb37+95op@eGroups.com>
References: <fvdb37+95op@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <33AF4EA6-0119-1000-808B-8CC079C88C91-Webmail-10009@mac.com>

 
On Thursday, May 01, 2008, at 05:03PM, "Scott" <docatlas at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is there any sort of
>reserved parking on site one can pay for? I remember years ago making
>a donation to the fire department, and getting a reserved pass; is
>anything like that still in place?

Yes. There's been reserved parking over by the B-blocks for several years now. You can usually buy a pass at the Cooper's war room (over by E-03) during the first week of war. 

-Anna

From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com  Thu May  1 21:33:40 2008
From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:33:40 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney list field
Message-ID: <001601c8abf4$8d77fcc0$6401a8c0@hppav>

Gentlemen and Ladies,

    I just came back from the Crown Tourney site, and we got most of the 
list field set up done.  It is important to note that the field is very 
small - and surrounded by woods.  Although the actual lists are of what I 
hope is a reasonable size (25'x25'), there is not much perimeter.  I have 
put up stakes to show where shade space has been reserved, and it leaves 
very little, if any extra space.  I would beg of you to set up tents as 
tightly as possible.  Please do not worry much about people needing to "get 
through" because there is only woods behind three sides of the field.

    There is also little space to drive in the area so we will need people 
to drive up, unload quickly, and remove their vehicles promptly.

    I will be there in the early evening Friday for those setting up, but I 
do need to leave site for an important little league game.  I will be back 
early Saturday.  There are tags on the field showing where everyone should 
go, and the rest of the event staff will be there to help.

    This will be a cozy tournament - thank you for your help in making the 
most of the space we have.

Dorinda Courtenay 



From alaxandair at gmail.com  Thu May  1 23:19:50 2008
From: alaxandair at gmail.com (Alaxandair O'Conchobhair)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:19:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Thrown Weapons Marshals Reporting Quarter
Message-ID: <b0da43e60805012019v515f673ep80297032165777b7@mail.gmail.com>

Greets,

All locals are to report to their Regionals by May 10th, 2008.

Please note the date change, not aware of the date change?  I guess
you didn't read the new policies now did you?  ;)

http://thrownweapons.aethelmearc.net/pages/policies.php

All regionals are to report to Kingdom by May 15th, 2008.

Furthermore, marshal may use the online form at...

http://thrownweapons.aethelmearc.net/pages/marshal-s-report-form.php

To make a report online, I will in turn forward your report to your
regional if you specify what region you reside in.  Yes Virginia,
there is a place for that on the form.

Alaxandair

From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Fri May  2 01:25:42 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (Ruth Morrisson)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:25:42 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Call for Bids and Ideas
In-Reply-To: <3048.75.187.175.115.1209676149.squirrel@www.aethelmearc.net>
Message-ID: <353E22AC-1808-11DD-9933-000A95D8101E@nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
Do you know what sizes of the banners and pennants that their Majesties  
would like to see?

On Thursday, May 1, 2008, at 05:09  PM, angelik at aethelmearc.net wrote:

> Oyez! Oyez!
>
> Greetings Unto The Good Kingdom of AEthelmearc!
>
> This missive is to all those who love to see our Great Kingdom shine!   
> It
> is the desire of our Most Royal Majesties to put our best foot forward  
> and
> show the greatness and beauty of our Fair Kingdom.
>
> It has been noted that some of the regalia of our Kingdom is not as  
> shiny
> as it once was.  Some well loved pieces of our Kingdom's history need
> replaced.
>
> A request has been made that bids for certain items be put forth for  
> the
> following items:
>
> - A new Kingdom gate for the Royal Encampment at Pennsic
> - Heirs thrones
> - Kingdom banners - medium sized and some smaller ones
> - Pennants in the Kingdom's colors
> - Banner stands
> - Baldrics for the King's & Queen's Guard and Retaining staff
>
> Our Kingdom is fortunate to have many skilled and talented artisans  
> among
> our citizens.  So please, all those individuals who wish to help our  
> Great
> Kingdom outshine all others of the Known World put your ideas to
> parchment, or e-mail, and send them to Their Majesties so that they may
> choose what delights them.
>
> In Service,
>
> Angelik
> Kingdom Chamberlain
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com  Fri May  2 20:58:13 2008
From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:58:13 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney field update
Message-ID: <002701c8acb8$c40ac820$6401a8c0@hppav>

Greetings!

    After a consultation with the autocrats and a review of the field and 
the weather, we made the decision to move the list field from the Jamboree 
field in the middle of the camp to the parade field in front of the dining 
hall.  The "good" about all this is that we are closer to the roads, the 
parking, the bathrooms, the merchants and the dining hall.  Traffic flow 
will be much easier, and there is also more space around and behind for 
tents.  The "bad" is that we lose the ability to put up tents on one side of 
the field (the one against the dining hall) and things are not as square, 
neat and symmetric as they were.  My careful map and sketch were abandoned, 
and people will find that some tents are now behind others, but we limited 
this where possible.  I will be there early to help make use of the space we 
have.

     We will not be putting up the Heronter pavilion, but instead invite 
people to watch the tourney from the porch of the dining hall which lines 
one side of the field.  It will be a dry seat with a great view.

    Thank you for your support of the change, and we hope this makes for a 
wonderful Crown Tourney even if the weather is not spectacular.

Dorinda Courtenay 



From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 14:26:20 2008
From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:26:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] From the damp list field at Crown
Message-ID: <349227.88380.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

His Excellency Sir Christopher Rawlins fighting for Her Excellency Morgen of Rye defeated THL Magnus Tindal fighting for Lady Etain ingen Dalaig in 3 bouts to win Crown Tournament. 




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From de_labarre at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 14:30:21 2008
From: de_labarre at yahoo.com (Eric France)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:30:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney field update
In-Reply-To: <002701c8acb8$c40ac820$6401a8c0@hppav>
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Count Christopher Rawlins defeated THL Magnus Tindal in the finals to win Crown for Countess Morgen.

Eric

Dorinda Courtine-White wrote: 
> Greetings!
>     After a consultation with the autocrats and a review of the field and 
> the weather, we made the decision to move the list field from the Jamboree 
> field in the middle of the camp to the parade field in front of the dining 
> hall.  The "good" about all this is that we are closer to the roads, the 
> parking, the bathrooms, the merchants and the dining hall.  Traffic flow 
> will be much easier, and there is also more space around and behind for 
> tents.  The "bad" is that we lose the ability to put up tents on one side of 
> the field (the one against the dining hall) and things are not as square, 
> neat and symmetric as they were.  My careful map and sketch were abandoned, 
> and people will find that some tents are now behind others, but we limited 
> this where possible.  I will be there early to help make use of the space we 
> have.
>      We will not be putting up the Heronter pavilion, but instead invite 
> people to watch the tourney from the porch of the dining hall which lines 
> one side of the field.  It will be a dry seat with a great view.
>     Thank you for your support of the change, and we hope this makes for a 
> wonderful Crown Tourney even if the weather is not spectacular.
> Dorinda Courtenay 
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From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com  Sun May  4 07:06:17 2008
From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:06:17 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney - additional details
Message-ID: <001001c8add6$e0728fb0$6401a8c0@hppav>

For those wishing more details:

- There were 19 entrants.

- From the quarter finals onward, there were no shields allowed.  The result 
was a mix of polearm fights, and two sword fights (with one gentle who came 
out with just one great sword).

- The semi finals were Count Christopher (from the winner's list) defeating 
Sir Michael of Northwood and THL Magnus Tindal defeating Count Duncan von 
Halstern.

- The Ladies of the Rose and Garnet (with the permission of TRM) asked Lord 
Olafr Thorvardharson to hold the shield of chivalry even though a survey of 
said ladies proved that none can really pronounce "Thorvardharson". 
(Fortunately, the Silver Buccle Herald can).

- The ladies (and others) also noted that this tourney was generally marked 
with both a high level of courteous behavior as well skill, but the constant 
chivalry as well as infectious joy of Olafr made him the one to choose over 
many other fine fighters.

- The most popular fashion accessory for those presented to TRM to fight in 
this tourney was a "baby/toddler".  All four of the semi-finalists possess 
such a thing, although Sir Michael did not bring his to the field, and Count 
Duncan and Countess Ilish brought two.  This is in no way a suggestion that 
everyone pick one up for the next tourney.  I would also commend Sir 
Koredono for carrying the child of his consort, but would suggest that next 
time someone says she is cute, he should come up with a reply other than 
"well, you can have her, she isn't mine".


Thank you to all who attended.


Dorinda




From gillianhartner at hotmail.com  Sun May  4 10:41:53 2008
From: gillianhartner at hotmail.com (jill hartner)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:41:53 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney - additional details
In-Reply-To: <001001c8add6$e0728fb0$6401a8c0@hppav>
References: <001001c8add6$e0728fb0$6401a8c0@hppav>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W560EF56AB1015D1CC65B82D1D40@phx.gbl>


Your Grace,
 
But who is our Prince and Princess?
Thank you
 
Gillian
 
 
Gilian> From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:06:17 -0400> Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney - additional details> > For those wishing more details:> > - There were 19 entrants.> > - From the quarter finals onward, there were no shields allowed. The result > was a mix of polearm fights, and two sword fights (with one gentle who came > out with just one great sword).> > - The semi finals were Count Christopher (from the winner's list) defeating > Sir Michael of Northwood and THL Magnus Tindal defeating Count Duncan von > Halstern.> > - The Ladies of the Rose and Garnet (with the permission of TRM) asked Lord > Olafr Thorvardharson to hold the shield of chivalry even though a survey of > said ladies proved that none can really pronounce "Thorvardharson". > (Fortunately, the Silver Buccle Herald can).> > - The ladies (and others) also noted that this tourney was generally marked > with both a high level of courteous behavior as well skill, but the constant > chivalry as well as infectious joy of Olafr made him the one to choose over > many other fine fighters.> > - The most popular fashion accessory for those presented to TRM to fight in > this tourney was a "baby/toddler". All four of the semi-finalists possess > such a thing, although Sir Michael did not bring his to the field, and Count > Duncan and Countess Ilish brought two. This is in no way a suggestion that > everyone pick one up for the next tourney. I would also commend Sir > Koredono for carrying the child of his consort, but would suggest that next > time someone says she is cute, he should come up with a reply other than > "well, you can have her, she isn't mine".> > > Thank you to all who attended.> > > Dorinda> > > > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From c_m_dawson at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 10:54:57 2008
From: c_m_dawson at yahoo.com (Christopher dawson)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney - additional details
Message-ID: <39726.78944.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If I read correctly, a previous email said that Sir Christopher defeated THL Magnus Tindal in the finals.

----- Original Message ----
From: jill hartner <gillianhartner at hotmail.com>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 11:41:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney - additional details


Your Grace,
 
But who is our Prince and Princess?
Thank you
 
Gillian
 
 
Gilian> From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:06:17 -0400> Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney - additional details> > For those wishing more details:> > - There were 19 entrants.> > - From the quarter finals onward, there were no shields allowed. The result > was a mix of polearm fights, and two sword fights (with one gentle who came > out with just one great sword).> > - The semi finals were Count Christopher (from the winner's list) defeating > Sir Michael of Northwood and THL Magnus Tindal defeating Count Duncan von > Halstern.> > - The Ladies of the Rose and Garnet (with the permission of TRM) asked Lord > Olafr Thorvardharson to hold the shield of chivalry even though a survey of > said ladies proved that none can really pronounce "Thorvardharson". > (Fortunately, the Silver Buccle Herald can).> > - The ladies (and others) also noted that this tourney was generally marked > with both a high level of
 courteous behavior as!
  well skill, but the constant > chivalry as well as infectious joy of Olafr made him the one to choose over > many other fine fighters.> > - The most popular fashion accessory for those presented to TRM to fight in > this tourney was a "baby/toddler". All four of the semi-finalists possess > such a thing, although Sir Michael did not bring his to the field, and Count > Duncan and Countess Ilish brought two. This is in no way a suggestion that > everyone pick one up for the next tourney. I would also commend Sir > Koredono for carrying the child of his consort, but would suggest that next > time someone says she is cute, he should come up with a reply other than > "well, you can have her, she isn't mine".> > > Thank you to all who attended.> > > Dorinda> > > > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email
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From dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com  Sun May  4 14:04:02 2008
From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com (dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 14:04:02 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field
Message-ID: <OFE4494E35.7FD0DFAE-ON8525743F.0062FDBC-8525743F.00633F1E@notes.cummins.com>


     This crown, we tried an experiment where we reserved space for tent
space on the field for combatant couple so they could arrive without
worrying about whether there would be a place for them or not.  Most chose
to do so.  I would ask for feedback on how it worked.  Good idea?  Bad
idea?  Any way it could be done better?

Thank you for your opinion.

Dorinda



From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Sun May  4 14:27:57 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:27:57 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tourney - additional details
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-W560EF56AB1015D1CC65B82D1D40@phx.gbl>
References: <001001c8add6$e0728fb0$6401a8c0@hppav>
	<BAY104-W560EF56AB1015D1CC65B82D1D40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D1D178CF-730A-4FB5-89BC-62EB3AFC6F57@rochester.rr.com>

Earl Sir Christopher is our Prince, Countess Morgan is our Princess.


On May 4, 2008, at 10:41 AM, jill hartner wrote:

>
> Your Grace,
>
> But who is our Prince and Princess?
> Thank you
>
> Gillian
>
>
> Gilian> From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org 
> > Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:06:17 -0400> Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown  
> Tourney - additional details> > For those wishing more details:> > -  
> There were 19 entrants.> > - From the quarter finals onward, there  
> were no shields allowed. The result > was a mix of polearm fights,  
> and two sword fights (with one gentle who came > out with just one  
> great sword).> > - The semi finals were Count Christopher (from the  
> winner's list) defeating > Sir Michael of Northwood and THL Magnus  
> Tindal defeating Count Duncan von > Halstern.> > - The Ladies of the  
> Rose and Garnet (with the permission of TRM) asked Lord > Olafr  
> Thorvardharson to hold the shield of chivalry even though a survey  
> of > said ladies proved that none can really pronounce  
> "Thorvardharson". > (Fortunately, the Silver Buccle Herald can).> >  
> - The ladies (and others) also noted that this tourney was generally  
> marked > with both a high level of courteous behavior as!
>  well skill, but the constant > chivalry as well as infectious joy  
> of Olafr made him the one to choose over > many other fine  
> fighters.> > - The most popular fashion accessory for those  
> presented to TRM to fight in > this tourney was a "baby/toddler".  
> All four of the semi-finalists possess > such a thing, although Sir  
> Michael did not bring his to the field, and Count > Duncan and  
> Countess Ilish brought two. This is in no way a suggestion that >  
> everyone pick one up for the next tourney. I would also commend Sir  
> > Koredono for carrying the child of his consort, but would suggest  
> that next > time someone says she is cute, he should come up with a  
> reply other than > "well, you can have her, she isn't mine".> > >  
> Thank you to all who attended.> > > Dorinda> > > >  
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From clannscot at hotmail.com  Sun May  4 15:03:04 2008
From: clannscot at hotmail.com (Arddenn or Deirdre Scot)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:03:04 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field
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Your Grace,
 
We found it most helpful to have spaced reserved for the combatants and consorts.  We brought our larger pavilion and opted to share our space with another combatant couple.  I know a few others did the same.  I thought it worked well.
 
In Service,
Deirdre



> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:04:02 -0400> From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field> > > This crown, we tried an experiment where we reserved space for tent> space on the field for combatant couple so they could arrive without> worrying about whether there would be a place for them or not. Most chose> to do so. I would ask for feedback on how it worked. Good idea? Bad> idea? Any way it could be done better?> > Thank you for your opinion.> > Dorinda> > > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From aeisenkopf at comcast.net  Sun May  4 18:48:02 2008
From: aeisenkopf at comcast.net (aeisenkopf at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:48:02 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field
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I thought it worked well and was a good idea.  Thanks for organizing this Your Grace.


Anna

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com 

> 
> This crown, we tried an experiment where we reserved space for tent 
> space on the field for combatant couple so they could arrive without 
> worrying about whether there would be a place for them or not. Most chose 
> to do so. I would ask for feedback on how it worked. Good idea? Bad 
> idea? Any way it could be done better? 
> 
> Thank you for your opinion. 
> 
> Dorinda 
> 
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From mcarroll at monroecc.edu  Sun May  4 18:54:12 2008
From: mcarroll at monroecc.edu (Carroll, Michael (Facilities))
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:54:12 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field
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It was a great idea and it worked well to alleviate that particular stress.  It was very nice to know in advance that there was space waiting.
 
~Michael

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     This crown, we tried an experiment where we reserved space for tent
space on the field for combatant couple so they could arrive without
worrying about whether there would be a place for them or not.  Most chose
to do so.  I would ask for feedback on how it worked.  Good idea?  Bad
idea?  Any way it could be done better?

Thank you for your opinion.

Dorinda


From matildabosvyle at gmail.com  Sun May  4 20:26:36 2008
From: matildabosvyle at gmail.com (Matilda)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:26:36 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] =?windows-1252?q?ANNOUNCE=3A_Court_report_of_TRM=92s_Kha?=
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Court report of TRM's Khalek and Branwyn from Crown Tournament on May 3rd
A.S. 43 held in the Shire of Heronter as reported by THL Matilda Bosvyle de
Bela Acqua, Silver Buccle, with the assistance of Lady Aibell Suil-uaine.

Upon the field.

Following the final blow of the tournament, TRM's placed the coronet upon
the victor, Count Christopher Rawlins, naming him Prince and heir to the
throne of AEthelmearc. His Highness turned to His lady wife, Countess Morgan
of Rye, asked her if it was still her wish to serve beside Him. With her
affirmation, she did remove her chain and belt of fealty to her Knight. His
Highness then placed the coronet upon her head and named Her Princess of
AEthelmearc. Their Highnesses each swore Their oath of fealty to AEthelmearc
upon the great Sword of State.

Within the Hall.

TRM's accepted the oath of fealty of Caleb Reynolds, Baron of the Rhydderich
Hael and current Kingdom Archery Champion. He presented Them with booty won
in tournament and a fine bottle of liquid from the Rhydderich Hael Brewers
Guild.

Their Majesties received the oath of fealty of Ulrich Drachendonner, Baron
of the Endless Hills. They then called forth all of Their landed Barons and
Baronesses to secure their assistance and support for the coming War. Having
done so Their Majesties provided their Excellencies with traditional
Mongolian tokens of safe passage.

Sir Angus MacBain swore his oath of fealty to the Crown and declared that he
was Their man. Their Majesties were most pleased to hear this and promised
to call upon him to serve.

Lord Ian Ard mac an Bhaird, swore his oath of service to AEthelmearc as
Kingdom Web Minister and newly designated Great Officer of the Kingdom, with
all the responsibilities pertaining there to.

Lord Patrick the Lost was found and awarded the Golden Alce for his service
to the Kingdom as a heavily armored fighter in many Pennsic battles (scroll
Brianna of Stelton Wald).

Lord Arden Scot of Clan Scot was called before Their Majesties along with
Lady Deirdre Scot for Clan Scot. She was created a companion of the Order of
the Keystone for her many services rendered to her home Shire of Hartstone
(scroll illum. Brianna of Stelton Wald, calig. Gianna di Aurelio). He was
named a companion of the Golden Alce for his prowess on the field of
tournament combat and the field of battle at Pennsic (scroll by Gianna di
Aurelio).

Lord Jacob of Heronter was designated as a Companion of the Golden Alce for
his passion and drive upon the fencing field (scroll by Barbary Rose, words
by Po Silvertop the Rogue).

Lord Antonio de Luna, much admire for his service to the realm was called
before Their Majesties because of his sharp skills with a rapier and made a
companion of the Golden Alce (scroll by Barbary Rose, words by Deianeira
Rodriguez y Aragones).

Baron Vladisla Nikulich was awarded the Order of the Cornelian for his
gentle encouragement and assistance to new comers (scroll by Lara
Sukhedrev).

The Ladies of the Rose and Garnet came before the court and announced that
they were much inspired by the joy displayed upon the field by Lord Oafr
Thorvardarson and named him the next bearer of the shield of Chivalry. Sir
Bear the Wallsbane relinquished the shield to his successor and departed the
Court with a light step.

Court was closed.

From SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com  Sun May  4 20:30:40 2008
From: SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com (FaCS)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:30:40 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] =?iso-8859-1?q?Call_for_Bids_and_Ideas?=
References: <3048.75.187.175.115.1209676149.squirrel@www.aethelmearc.net>
Message-ID: <005301c8ae47$3f885730$d92e434a@pb1bf388cb68bb>

(snipped)
> It has been noted that some of the regalia of our Kingdom is not as shiny
> as it once was.  Some well loved pieces of our Kingdom's history need
> replaced.
>
> A request has been made that bids for certain items be put forth for the
> following items:
(snipped)
> - Kingdom banners - medium sized and some smaller ones
> - Pennants in the Kingdom's colors
> - Banner stands
> - Baldrics for the King's & Queen's Guard and Retaining staff


I have made and donated 5 banners to this Kingdom - they wear out, I know, 
especially because of Pennsic.
But is there a size or type of materials,  for what they want?   Or whatever 
we can donate?
And the pavillion I made and donated is wearing out because it has been put 
up at Pennsic without the correct supporting tarp under it - who is in 
charge of setup this year?  I would like to save it, if I can, by ehlping 
them put it up with (hopefully) all of the peices.

THL Rowena 


From havocthewild at hotmail.com  Sun May  4 21:14:42 2008
From: havocthewild at hotmail.com (William F Stamm Jr)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:14:42 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field
In-Reply-To: <OFE4494E35.7FD0DFAE-ON8525743F.0062FDBC-8525743F.00633F1E@notes.cummins.com>
References: <OFE4494E35.7FD0DFAE-ON8525743F.0062FDBC-8525743F.00633F1E@notes.cummins.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-W45FCBEBB86D5C6C9B26090D3D70@phx.gbl>


I think it worked very well.
 
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From olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com  Sun May  4 21:27:01 2008
From: olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com (Rick Reichert)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:27:01 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field
In-Reply-To: <BLU141-W281780B187B2C6A9EAAEECAAD40@phx.gbl>
References: <OFE4494E35.7FD0DFAE-ON8525743F.0062FDBC-8525743F.00633F1E@notes.cummins.com>
	<BLU141-W281780B187B2C6A9EAAEECAAD40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4642BFAC-54AE-400C-BABF-3757675DE27E@twcny.rr.com>

I would have to agree.  As contestants, it was nice to both be able  
to troll in right next to the field and to have a spot ready to go  
for our day shade (rain collector)  :)

Olafr


On May 4, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Arddenn or Deirdre Scot wrote:

> Your Grace,
>
> We found it most helpful to have spaced reserved for the combatants  
> and consorts.  We brought our larger pavilion and opted to share  
> our space with another combatant couple.  I know a few others did  
> the same.  I thought it worked well.
>
> In Service,
> Deirdre
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:04:02 -0400> From: dorinda.e.courtine- 
>> white at cummins.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Subject: [SCA- 
>> AE] feedback request on tourney field> > > This crown, we tried an  
>> experiment where we reserved space for tent> space on the field  
>> for combatant couple so they could arrive without> worrying about  
>> whether there would be a place for them or not. Most chose> to do  
>> so. I would ask for feedback on how it worked. Good idea? Bad>  
>> idea? Any way it could be done better?> > Thank you for your  
>> opinion.> > Dorinda> > >  
>> _____________________________________________________________________ 
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From alaxandair at gmail.com  Sun May  4 21:27:25 2008
From: alaxandair at gmail.com (Alaxandair O'Conchobhair)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:27:25 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Thrown Weapons and you!
Message-ID: <b0da43e60805041827y40aad0e3y86fd5bccef80d88c@mail.gmail.com>

Greets,

Is your event having Thrown Weapons?

- If your having TW send me an email so I know, heck I may even show
up.  This will also get your event posted to the Marshal's list and on
the TW website.

Do you want to have Thrown Weapons at your event?

- If you want to have TW at your event, email me, or check the
Marshal's list on the TW website.  We can try our best to accommodate
you!

Alaxandair
alaxandair at gmail.com

From olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com  Sun May  4 22:19:54 2008
From: olafvikingr at twcny.rr.com (Rick Reichert)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:19:54 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tournament Finals
In-Reply-To: <003301c8a4db$e9c53df0$6501a8c0@bigblue>
References: <003301c8a4db$e9c53df0$6501a8c0@bigblue>
Message-ID: <0AF3E95A-8460-40EB-AF05-F38AF7F8411C@twcny.rr.com>

For those that would see the finals of Crown.

THL Magnus Tindal v. Earl Christopher Rawlins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfc341GV8wQ


I will have more videos uploaded soon.

As always, if you are in a video and do not wish to be on the  
internet, let me know and I will remove it.

It was a great day of fighting.

In serivce,
Olafr



From MVPA211 at aol.com  Sun May  4 23:12:21 2008
From: MVPA211 at aol.com (MVPA211 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:12:21 EDT
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Melee on the Mount - May 31st
Message-ID: <d1b.248349d3.354fd515@aol.com>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
The call goes out from the Mount for those who feel they are strong enough  
to be Warlords and lead troops into the frenzy of the Melee and those that 
would  follow their leader into battle,  to present themselves on Saturday, May  
31, 2008 at the North Strabane Township Park, Quail Acres Pavilion, 1929 Route  
519 South, Canonsburg, PA 15317.
 
Sponsored by the Shire of Kings Crossing, the site opens at 10 AM and  closes 
at 8 PM and will feature a heavy weapons Warlord Tournament, Fencing,  
Archery and Thrown weapons.  There will also be an A&S display  where you may view 
and show the many talents of our  Sylvan Kingdom of  AEthelmearc.
 
The site is discretely damp and an all day side-board is available to all  
attendees.  Master Creador Twyne Dragon is preparing a sumptuous day long  feast 
of skewered beef, honey and spicy chicken, salad assortment, a selection  of 
fruits, bread and spreads as well as some surprises,  plus cheeses  and 
deserts.
There are no planned children's activities but there are plenty of play  
areas.  Parents are responsible for their children since we have no  children's 
activity coordinator.
 
Site fees for the event are $12.00 for adults, $6.00 for children ages 5-12  
and children under 5 are free.  This includes the all day side-board.   An 
additional $3.00 non-member surcharge will be collected at the door.   Please 
send reservations to Lady Trinity Munro (Michele Thomas), 1021 Graham  Ave., 
Monessen PA, 15062, 724-684-0105, _trinity-calum at juno.com_ 
(mailto:trinity-calum at juno.com) .  Make  checks payable to "SCA Inc., Shire of Kings Crossing".  The 
$3 NMS will be  collected at troll for those without proof of membership.
 
For questions, please contact the autocrat, Ulfr hinn svari Juzki (Dirk  
Romito), 143 Dicio St., Canonsburg, PA 15317, 724-746-2525, _mvpa211 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:mvpa211 at aol.com) , and merchants can contact  Bryanna Eileen Taith-lach 
(Jodie Boyd) 724-310-3945, _jodie158 at adelphia.net_ 
(mailto:jodie158 at adelphia.net) .
 
DIRECTIONS:  From the North:  take I-79 South to the Houston exit (43) and 
turn right onto Rt. 519 South to  the stop at the top of the hill.  Continue 
right on 519 S for 0.7 miles to  the North Strabane Township Municipal Building, 
1929 Route 519 South, and make a  left on Township Rd.  Up the hill to the 
Quail Acres Pavilion  (large).  From the South, East and West: Take I-79  North 
to the Houston Exit (43) and follow the above directions.
 
In Service,
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From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 00:51:42 2008
From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tournament Finals
In-Reply-To: <0AF3E95A-8460-40EB-AF05-F38AF7F8411C@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <343252.90452.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I too have posted video of the finals and semi-finals,
to view go to 

www.youtube.com/williamfreskynmurray

Thanks to Olafr for inspiring this idea in me, since
we opted to sit this one out I decided to spend the
day taping the fights.  I have 14 more fights I taped
but YouTube is PAINFULLY slow tonight so I will get
them up later.

in service 
Will


SKA William Freskyn Murray
MKA Will Carson
squire to Baron Sir Bedawyr of Avaricum
foster squire to Viscount Syr Alexander Caithnes of Wyk
Chieftain of the Tribe of Tuatha Firen
Baron of the Court of Aethelmearc
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From battalion73 at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 08:59:03 2008
From: battalion73 at yahoo.com (Troy Headland)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field
In-Reply-To: <OFE4494E35.7FD0DFAE-ON8525743F.0062FDBC-8525743F.00633F1E@notes.cummins.com>
Message-ID: <844492.98933.qm@web36408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Though I did not bring a day shade or pavillion I must say that this seemed to worked very well.  There was no last minute scrambling to get things set up.  It was an  excellent idea.
   
  Gabriel

dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com wrote:
  
This crown, we tried an experiment where we reserved space for tent
space on the field for combatant couple so they could arrive without
worrying about whether there would be a place for them or not. Most chose
to do so. I would ask for feedback on how it worked. Good idea? Bad
idea? Any way it could be done better?

Thank you for your opinion.

Dorinda


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From illish_o at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 09:47:14 2008
From: illish_o at hotmail.com (Illish O'Donovan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:47:14 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field
Message-ID: <BLU115-W22CFCB924CCA906AB455E3E4D70@phx.gbl>


This was a fantastic idea!  It really helped just pulling in and being able to set up and not trying to figure out if we left early enough to get a spot and were the tent would fit.  Having troll at the field for the combatants and consorts saved us time.  It can be very hard running (and usually at crown it is running) back and forth.  I hope whom ever hosts the next crown will take this under serious consideration.
 
Countess Ilish> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:04:02 -0400> From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Subject: [SCA-AE] feedback request on tourney field> > > This crown, we tried an experiment where we reserved space for tent> space on the field for combatant couple so they could arrive without> worrying about whether there would be a place for them or not. Most chose> to do so. I would ask for feedback on how it worked. Good idea? Bad> idea? Any way it could be done better?> > Thank you for your opinion.> > Dorinda> > > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From masterhogge at godecookery.com  Mon May  5 10:17:12 2008
From: masterhogge at godecookery.com (Master Hogge de Watlynge)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:17:12 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tournament Finals
References: <343252.90452.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008801c8aeba$b7c6ac60$53b4e147@Grimalkin>

Try YouTube's new multi-file uploader - it's much faster, and you can upload 
all the files at once.

Hogge

----- Original Message ----- 
From: William Freskyn Murray
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org ; Rhydderich Hael EGroup
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Crown Tournament Finals


I too have posted video of the finals and semi-finals,
to view go to

www.youtube.com/williamfreskynmurray

Thanks to Olafr for inspiring this idea in me, since
we opted to sit this one out I decided to spend the
day taping the fights.  I have 14 more fights I taped
but YouTube is PAINFULLY slow tonight so I will get
them up later.

in service
Will 


From baronessteresa at yahoo.com  Sun May  4 11:07:43 2008
From: baronessteresa at yahoo.com (Tracey Stoever)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 15:07:43 -0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] AEthelmearc AEcademy announcement correction
Message-ID: <fvkjfv+pt9c@eGroups.com>

Good Gentles - 

Now that Crown Tourney's excitement is over, I wish to turn your 
attention to our fair Kingdom's next wonderful Kingdom level event: 
AEcademy!

To that end I need to inform you that there was a typo in the event 
announcement that is printed in the May issue of AESTEL. The address 
for the reservations' clerk is missing a digit. So I am inserting the 
announcement, in it's entirety and with the correct mailing address 
herewith:

  "?thelmearc Spring Academy
  June 20-22, Shire of Coppertree (Brookfield, NY)


On June 20-22, ?thelmearc Spring ?cademy will be held at the spacious 
and comfortable Madison County Fairgrounds, Fairgrounds Road (no 
street number), Brookfield, NY 13314, in the Shire of Coppertree. 
This site is approximately 25 miles due south of Utica, NY. 

One and all are invited to enjoy a weekend where you may expand your 
knowledge and hone your skills and no one will walk away hungry! A 
wide variety of classes, from bardic talents, sewing arts, and 
fighting, are in the works. Artisans, bring your messiest crafts, for 
we can accommodate them on our spacious grounds. Didst thou want to 
dye? To cook outdoors? To work on metal, on a forge? To try your 
siege craft? To brew, to run your hounds on scent trails, or even to 
work on equestrian skills? Stables are available for an additional 
fee of $20 for the weekend; you must provide proof of negative 
Coggins test and pre-register. There is an enclosed paddock for 
turning out your horses. These and many other assorted arts will be 
available for you to explore. 

That said, we need teachers to teach! All are welcome to sign up to 
teach a class(es); please go to the ?cademy website to register as a 
teacher for the ?cademy:  
http://www.aecademy.org/registration/index.php. Or you may contact 
the Chancellor of the ?cademy, THL Juliana Delamere, at 
deb at debrahofer.com. 

The Autocrats are Duchess Rowan de la Garnison (Loie Hodge, 6419 Co. 
Hwy. 18, West Winfield, NY, 13491, 315-855-4402), and Sigurdr (Jon 
Prosser, PO Box 165, Eaton, NY 13334, 315-750-4599, 
sigurdrisolfsson at gmail.com).The site opens at 6 PM on Friday and 
closes at 12 noon on Sunday. Flat, grassy, convenient camping space 
is available, with flush toilets and warm showers. The site is pet 
friendly. There are large buildings with electric outlets and tables 
and chairs for indoor activities. There is an outdoor stage with a 
roofed pavilion for protection from sun or rain. We also have a 
grandstand and infield for combat on a large or small scale. The site 
is handicap accessible. It is discreetly damp; please take your 
empties with you. 

The Shire will be providing an all-day side board from the skilled 
hands of THL Edana Aldys Haukyns. Contact the autocrats with any 
allergies or dietary restrictions that you may have. 

Fees for camping are $25 per person. The day fee for Saturday is $15. 
Fees are half price for 12 and under. There will be an additional $3 
non-member surcharge. Please, we need to have pre-registrations for 
the event so that we may plan on feeding you sufficiently!  Send your 
event reservations to Lady Elwyn Stone (Susan Schiffer, 9658 Elpis 
Road, Camden, NY 13316, 315- 245-3596 before 10 PM.) Make checks 
payable to SCA-Shire of Coppertree. 

DIRECTIONS: From East and West, take I-90 to Exit 31 (Utica, NY). 
Follow signs to Route 8 south and then follow Route 8 south until you 
cross Route 20. Go approximately another 4 miles and watch for signs 
for a right turn to Brookfield and Fair Grounds. Turn right onto the 
Skaneateles Turnpike and follow it 3-4 miles to Brookfield; watch for 
a right turn onto Fairgrounds Road, which leads you directly to the 
site. 

There is an alternate route directly from Route 20 that is flatter 
and easier for horse trailers. Contact the autocrat if you want these 
alternate directions." 

The June AESTEL will have the corrected announcement. If anyone has 
any questions about the event please contact the Autocrats. 

YIS,

Teresa
Kingdom Chronicler


From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 02:00:07 2008
From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 23:00:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tournament Videos
Message-ID: <498706.45070.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

All my videos from Crown are now on my YouTube page
for anyone interested

www.youtube.com/williamfreskynmurray

in service
Will

SKA William Freskyn Murray
MKA Will Carson
squire to Baron Sir Bedawyr of Avaricum
foster squire to Viscount Syr Alexander Caithnes of Wyk
Chieftain of the Tribe of Tuatha Firen
Baron of the Court of Aethelmearc
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From hildasca at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 10:36:25 2008
From: hildasca at hotmail.com (Krista Traini)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:36:25 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
In-Reply-To: <498706.45070.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <498706.45070.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W2136F6C0CB94750319B483D6D60@phx.gbl>


I know we're all getting excited about Aethelmearc War Practice, May 15-18 (http://www.warpractice.steltonwald.org/).  The class and non-martial activity list and schedule has been finalized!! A complete list with descriptions and schedule will be posted to the War Practice website in the next few days, but I thought I'd whet your appetites with a short list now! And a great big THANK YOU to all the teachers and facilitators!

~Hilda

Arts & Sciences, Scribal Track

-Absolute Beginner Calligraphy: Bathhouse 1pm
-Beginning Calligraphy: Bathhouse  9am
-Cadels, Flourishes and Fancy Initials: Bathhouse  10am
-Dressing Up Your Letters-No Brush Required!: Bathhouse  2pm
-Scribal Playtime: Bathhouse 11am


Arts & Sciences, General

-A Gathering of Needleworkers: Bathhouse  3pm
-Bardic Coaching: A&S2   11am
-Beginning Drop Spinning: A&S3   Noon
-Brewers? Roundtable: A&S2   2pm
-Byzantine Field Tactics in the Tenth Century: A&S2    4pm
-Double Weave Tablet Weaving: A&S1    9am
-Early European Dance: Barn  10am 
-Hound Coursing Classes: Hound Coursing Track, various times, contact Katla for details
-Introduction to Near-Eastern Garb: A&S3   10am
-Late Period Beekeeping: A&S3   2pm
-Late Period German Costuming: A&S3   11am
-Making a Leather Bottle: A&S1  1pm
-Quill Pen Making: A&S1   11am
-The Housebook Style: Late 15th Century Clothing in Southern Germany: A&S3   4pm


SCA Interest

-An Introduction to Reading Blazon: A&S1  2pm
-Event Finances: Before, During and After: A&S2  9am
-Frugal Feasts Roundtable: A&S3   1pm
-So You're Thinking of Becoming  a Chirurgeon?: Bathhouse FRIDAY 5pm
-Songs of ?thelmearc: A&S2 3pm


Activities

-A&S Display/ Artists' Forum: Barn Noon to 2pm
-Dancing: Barn around 9 pm
-Heraldry Consult Table: Barn 11am - 4pm
-Royal Court: Barn 5:30 pm
-Pick-A-Prize Raffle: Fundraiser to benefit Their Majesties Travel Expenses. Raffle occurs in Barn Sunday Morning 9am (Items on Display on Saturday)

Meetings

-?thelmearc Chatelaines? Meeting: A&S2 1pm
-Millrind Meeting: A&S2   10am 
-Curia: Barn   Sunday 10am



Notes

- All classes are one hour and on Saturday unless otherwise noted

- Any gentle that would like to play with knitting can find Baroness Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg any time Friday evening or Saturday during the day.

-Lady Renata the Posh Rot will be collecting donations for Royal Largesse at her place in the A&S Forum from noon to 2pm Saturday

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From dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com  Tue May  6 10:41:31 2008
From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com (dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:41:31 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-W2136F6C0CB94750319B483D6D60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <OF2B1FE191.00F830F9-ON85257441.0050A1DE-85257441.0050B4D8@notes.cummins.com>

As for Largesse:  for Pennsic, will Their Majesties be needing gifts for
all the Royalty, or will they be "drawing names" again, and if so, do we
know which Kingdom they drew?

Dorinda



From mistresscynthia at verizon.net  Tue May  6 11:00:30 2008
From: mistresscynthia at verizon.net (mistresscynthia at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:00:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
Message-ID: <13862052.402691210086030915.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Thanks for the info.
Cynthia
:D


On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Krista Traini wrote:

> I know we're all getting excited about Aethelmearc War Practice, May 
> 15-18 (http://www.warpractice.steltonwald.org/).  The class and 
> non-martial activity list and schedule has been finalized!! A complete 
> list with descriptions and schedule will be posted to the War Practice 
> website in the next few days, but I thought I'd whet your appetites 
> with a short list now! And a great big THANK YOU to all the teachers 
> and facilitators!
>
> ~Hilda
>
> Arts & Sciences, Scribal Track
>
> -Absolute Beginner Calligraphy: Bathhouse 1pm
> -Beginning Calligraphy: Bathhouse  9am
> -Cadels, Flourishes and Fancy Initials: Bathhouse  10am
> -Dressing Up Your Letters-No Brush Required!: Bathhouse  2pm
> -Scribal Playtime: Bathhouse 11am
>
>
> Arts & Sciences, General
>
> -A Gathering of Needleworkers: Bathhouse  3pm
> -Bardic Coaching: A&S2   11am
> -Beginning Drop Spinning: A&S3   Noon
> -Brewers? Roundtable: A&S2   2pm
> -Byzantine Field Tactics in the Tenth Century: A&S2    4pm
> -Double Weave Tablet Weaving: A&S1    9am
> -Early European Dance: Barn  10am -Hound Coursing Classes: Hound 
> Coursing Track, various times, contact Katla for details
> -Introduction to Near-Eastern Garb: A&S3   10am
> -Late Period Beekeeping: A&S3   2pm
> -Late Period German Costuming: A&S3   11am
> -Making a Leather Bottle: A&S1  1pm
> -Quill Pen Making: A&S1   11am
> -The Housebook Style: Late 15th Century Clothing in Southern Germany: 
> A&S3   4pm
>
>
> SCA Interest
>
> -An Introduction to Reading Blazon: A&S1  2pm
> -Event Finances: Before, During and After: A&S2  9am
> -Frugal Feasts Roundtable: A&S3   1pm
> -So You're Thinking of Becoming  a Chirurgeon?: Bathhouse FRIDAY 5pm
> -Songs of ?thelmearc: A&S2 3pm
>
>
> Activities
>
> -A&S Display/ Artists' Forum: Barn Noon to 2pm
> -Dancing: Barn around 9 pm
> -Heraldry Consult Table: Barn 11am - 4pm
> -Royal Court: Barn 5:30 pm
> -Pick-A-Prize Raffle: Fundraiser to benefit Their Majesties Travel 
> Expenses. Raffle occurs in Barn Sunday Morning 9am (Items on Display 
> on Saturday)
>
> Meetings
>
> -?thelmearc Chatelaines? Meeting: A&S2 1pm
> -Millrind Meeting: A&S2   10am -Curia: Barn   Sunday 10am
>
>
>
> Notes
>
> - All classes are one hour and on Saturday unless otherwise noted
>
> - Any gentle that would like to play with knitting can find Baroness 
> Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg any time Friday evening or 
> Saturday during the day.
>
> -Lady Renata the Posh Rot will be collecting donations for Royal 
> Largesse at her place in the A&S Forum from noon to 2pm Saturday
>
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From grm at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue May  6 11:10:21 2008
From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 11:10:21 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
In-Reply-To: <OF2B1FE191.00F830F9-ON85257441.0050A1DE-85257441.0050B4D8@notes.cummins.com>
References: <OF2B1FE191.00F830F9-ON85257441.0050A1DE-85257441.0050B4D8@notes.cummins.com>
Message-ID: <08BA7CC302EE2B57820940C4@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>

Indeed, I have been wondering the same thing --also, is Renata still the 
person to drop off largesse with?

toodles, margaret

--On Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:41 AM -0400 
dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com wrote:

> As for Largesse:  for Pennsic, will Their Majesties be needing gifts for
> all the Royalty, or will they be "drawing names" again, and if so, do we
> know which Kingdom they drew?
>
> Dorinda
>
>
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From hedgehog at ptd.net  Tue May  6 12:58:41 2008
From: hedgehog at ptd.net (hedgehog)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:58:41 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-W2136F6C0CB94750319B483D6D60@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU146-W2136F6C0CB94750319B483D6D60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e53409fe785cfc21e48022ac728a266e@ptd.net>

Will there be a Wooden Pin Competition at this year's War Practice?
If so, what will the theme be?

Thank you,
Bronwyn


From battalion73 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 13:13:18 2008
From: battalion73 at yahoo.com (Troy Headland)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO: Anna Blackleaf
In-Reply-To: <08BA7CC302EE2B57820940C4@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>
Message-ID: <896488.8921.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Greetings to all,
   
  I am looking for contact info for Her Grace Anna Blackleaf if any good gentle could assist me with this it would be greatly appreciated.
   
  As Always, In Service
   
  Lord Gabriel Hawkes

       
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From hildasca at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 13:19:49 2008
From: hildasca at hotmail.com (Krista Traini)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:19:49 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
In-Reply-To: <e53409fe785cfc21e48022ac728a266e@ptd.net>
References: <BLU146-W2136F6C0CB94750319B483D6D60@phx.gbl>
	<e53409fe785cfc21e48022ac728a266e@ptd.net>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W294C732AA31773054C89C4D6D60@phx.gbl>


Nope, no Wooden Pin.> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:58:41 -0400> From: hedgehog at ptd.net> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities> > Will there be a Wooden Pin Competition at this year's War Practice?> If so, what will the theme be?> > Thank you,> Bronwyn> > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From friscokitty at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 15:18:35 2008
From: friscokitty at hotmail.com (Rachel Barr Shively)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:18:35 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Arts, Brewing and Bardic;
 A&S Opportunities at SpringThing, Canton of Westland Mor!
Message-ID: <BLU134-W281055AF7812B6BC85DB0DB6D60@phx.gbl>



Musicians and Artisans, Brewers and Storytellers,  the Canton of Westland Mor would like to invite you to spend the day enjoying our hospitality at our annual Spring Thing, to be held this June 14, 2008.

For our Artisans, we will have an Art Competition, featuring the theme of 'Celtic Rose'.  Be it Celtic, or Roses, or a combination of the two, come let us enjoy each others' artistry on this fine June day.

For our musicians and storytellers, we will be hosting a Bardic Competition.  Sing a song, recite a poem, play an instrument, tell a story, juggle, do magic...come entertain us with your skills!

Finally, for our brewers, we will once again be hosting our annual Brewing Competition.  Bring your magical elixirs to the table as we compete for the tasty title of 'Best Brew in The Land!'

Please view our event website at:  http://www.stswithinsbog.org/canton/springthing.htm for more information.

We hope to see you at our event!

In service,

Rachel Dalicieux,
A&S Officer, CWM

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From ladyren at gmail.com  Tue May  6 16:41:38 2008
From: ladyren at gmail.com (Karen Finnemore)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:41:38 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
In-Reply-To: <08BA7CC302EE2B57820940C4@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>
References: <OF2B1FE191.00F830F9-ON85257441.0050A1DE-85257441.0050B4D8@notes.cummins.com>
	<08BA7CC302EE2B57820940C4@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>
Message-ID: <4e6328420805061341l11ae6d9dm38cbdb8c77604eda@mail.gmail.com>

I am still collecting Royal largesse, yes.  As is my understanding, the
Royals are "drawing names" again this year.  I believe that we are waiting
to hear what Kingdom we will be gifting, however, any donations will be
greatly accepted : )

Renata the posh rot

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Gretchen Beck <grm at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Indeed, I have been wondering the same thing --also, is Renata still the
> person to drop off largesse with?
>
> toodles, margaret
>
> --On Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:41 AM -0400
> dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com wrote:
>
> > As for Largesse:  for Pennsic, will Their Majesties be needing gifts for
> > all the Royalty, or will they be "drawing names" again, and if so, do we
> > know which Kingdom they drew?
> >
> > Dorinda
> >
> >
> >
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From rosiebeth1884 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 16:50:46 2008
From: rosiebeth1884 at yahoo.com (Bethany Comegys)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
Message-ID: <494411.45729.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


We do know that there will be name-drawing, and We have been told
it will happen within the next two weeks. We will post the result
as soon as We know what it is. Thank you for all of your help!
-HRM Branwyn

>As for Largesse:  for Pennsic, will Their Majesties be needing gifts
> for all the Royalty, or will they be "drawing names" again, and if so, do
> we know which Kingdom they drew?
>
> Dorinda



       
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From scale at ma.rr.com  Wed May  7 00:17:08 2008
From: scale at ma.rr.com (Samuel Cale IV)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 00:17:08 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall  academy- in need of Martial Activities Teachers
In-Reply-To: <0AF3E95A-8460-40EB-AF05-F38AF7F8411C@twcny.rr.com>
References: <003301c8a4db$e9c53df0$6501a8c0@bigblue>
	<0AF3E95A-8460-40EB-AF05-F38AF7F8411C@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48212D44.8050707@ma.rr.com>

Greetings citizens of Sylvan AEthelmearc,

    I am writing in search of teachers for classes in martial activities 
for fall academy. After speaking with the chancellor of the academy it 
seems we still have plenty of space for those wishing to teach in the 
arts of fighting and fence.  So let me encourage those with knowledge to 
make our kingdom stronger by sharing what you know.

You may register to be a teacher here 
http://www.aecademy.org/registration/index.php

or you may contact  the Chancellor of the ?cademy, THL Juliana Delamere, 
at deb at debrahofer.com


In Service
Lord Gareth Kincaid,  Dean AEthelmearc War College.

From marksmoot at comcast.net  Wed May  7 08:38:58 2008
From: marksmoot at comcast.net (Fintan na Coilled)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:38:58 -0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] War Practice Website Updates
Message-ID: <fvs7t2+qomv@eGroups.com>

Greetings:

Please look to the War Practice website 
(http://warpractice.steltonwald.org)for the most up-to-date 
information. Check back often as new information will be posted as it 
becomes available. Class descriptions/schedule as well as the tenative 
Heavy schedule have been recently added. 

We look forward to seeing everyone at War Practice next week!

In Service

THL Gianna di Aurelio
Steltonwald Webminister


From argyfoe at rochester.rr.com  Wed May  7 08:48:43 2008
From: argyfoe at rochester.rr.com (Caradawc)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:48:43 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] =?iso-8859-1?q?Call_for_retainers_=40_=C6themearc_War_Pr?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?actice?=
Message-ID: <005601c8b040$afa21650$fa5f454a@mine>

Good morning Kingdom,
  If any gentles would like to retain for The Khan and Khatun at ?thelmearc War Practice, please contact me here.  There are several available time slots on Friday and Saturday.
  Thank you for your time and service.

Pax,
THL Caradawc Mendwr

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From robinson at clandiarmat.com  Wed May  7 08:54:56 2008
From: robinson at clandiarmat.com (Robinson S. Neidhardt)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:54:56 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] retaining for events in NE Aethelmearc
In-Reply-To: <005601c8b040$afa21650$fa5f454a@mine>
References: <005601c8b040$afa21650$fa5f454a@mine>
Message-ID: <06a201c8b041$8db8cb00$7300a8c0@eoghan>

Good Morning,

I saw your post come across regarding retainers for War Practice.  While I
will not be able to make war practice, should you need retainers for any
events in NE AEthelmearc (with the exception of Barony Wars), I would be
quite happy to help out!

Thank you,

Lord Eoghan Rorriksson.




From argyfoe at rochester.rr.com  Wed May  7 08:56:09 2008
From: argyfoe at rochester.rr.com (Caradawc)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:56:09 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Call_for_retainers_=40_=C6themearc_War_Pr?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?actice?=
References: <005601c8b040$afa21650$fa5f454a@mine>
Message-ID: <006a01c8b041$b9c22390$fa5f454a@mine>

Urft, email link did not go through.
argyfoe at rochester.rr.com

-Caradawc

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Caradawc" <argyfoe at rochester.rr.com>
To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: [SCA-AE] Call for retainers @ ?themearc War Practice


Good morning Kingdom,
  If any gentles would like to retain for The Khan and Khatun at ?thelmearc 
War Practice, please contact me here.  There are several available time 
slots on Friday and Saturday.
  Thank you for your time and service.

Pax,
THL Caradawc Mendwr

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From threecs at zoominternet.net  Wed May  7 14:24:43 2008
From: threecs at zoominternet.net (John and Tammy Crawford)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:24:43 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wooden Pin at War Practice and its absence
Message-ID: <21389.1210184683@zoominternet.net>

 Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities 
 To: discussion at aethelmearc.org [1]
 Message-ID:  
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 
 Will there be a Wooden Pin Competition at this year's War Practice? 
 If so, what will the theme be? 
 Thank you, 
 Bronwyn 
 Greetings to All 
 My humblest apologies to any that were interested in the Wooden Pin
Competition. Mundane life and 
 work have been extremely complicated since November of this past
year. And until two days ago, I 
 was not sure if I would even be able to attend War Practice. Alas, I
will be able to attend, but 
 it is too late to offer the Wooden Pin this year...However, if you
would like to consult on a 
 project or get any feedback I would be most willing to meet with you
in the Barn during the time 
 that the pin would have been held. 
 As I see some light at the end of the tunnel, I will check future
events and see if perchance I 
 can hold the Competition at a later date this year and I have full
plans on it returning for next 
 years War Practice. 
 Again, please forgive me as I do wish to encourage all cooks in
Aethelmearc (new and seasoned;-) 
 to experiment further in historical techniques and receipts. 
 Ciao, 
 M?stra Tomasia 


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From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Wed May  7 15:08:01 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:08:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wooden Pin at War Practice and its absence
In-Reply-To: <21389.1210184683@zoominternet.net>
References: <21389.1210184683@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <59043.209.195.147.252.1210187281.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
We completely understand -- life happens.  (I wasn't sure I'd even have
time to enter it this year anyway, given the amount of stuff I'm already
committed to at War Practice this year, including helping with prep
shopping for the brunch).
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net

>  Greetings to All
>  My humblest apologies to any that were interested in the Wooden Pin
> Competition. Mundane life and
>  work have been extremely complicated since November of this past
> year. And until two days ago, I
>  was not sure if I would even be able to attend War Practice. Alas, I
> will be able to attend, but
>  it is too late to offer the Wooden Pin this year...However, if you
> would like to consult on a
>  project or get any feedback I would be most willing to meet with you
> in the Barn during the time
>  that the pin would have been held.
>  As I see some light at the end of the tunnel, I will check future
> events and see if perchance I
>  can hold the Competition at a later date this year and I have full
> plans on it returning for next
>  years War Practice.
>  Again, please forgive me as I do wish to encourage all cooks in
> Aethelmearc (new and seasoned;-)
>  to experiment further in historical techniques and receipts.
>  Ciao,
>  M??stra Tomasia
>
>
> Links:
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From mariannamolindisalerno at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 17:25:38 2008
From: mariannamolindisalerno at yahoo.com (Marianna Molin di Salerno)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:25:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Retainers for the Khan and khatun
Message-ID: <988459.30505.qm@web58107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
  I would be delighted to serve their majesties in any way that I can.  I know my husband Lord Snaebjorn Bjarnarson, is planning on serving on her majesty's  royal guard (if he is needed and wanted). We will be there Thursday night, and leaving Sunday.  You have only to email us and let us know how we can be of service.
  my email is:
  beratheblessed at yahoo.com
  We look forward to hearing from you.
  YIS,
  Bera the Blessed, of Sylvan Glen


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From iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net  Wed May  7 18:08:26 2008
From: iainmacabhaird at tigerfire.net (Iain mac an Bhaird)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 18:08:26 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall academy- in need of Martial Activities Teachers
In-Reply-To: <48212D44.8050707@ma.rr.com>
References: <003301c8a4db$e9c53df0$6501a8c0@bigblue>
	<0AF3E95A-8460-40EB-AF05-F38AF7F8411C@twcny.rr.com>
	<48212D44.8050707@ma.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200805072210.m47MAMGK015451@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu>

I believe you mean Spring AEcademy?  Registration 
for fall AEcademy is not open yet, in fact, I'm 
not sure we know where it will be yet. :)

Spring AEcademy is in Coppertree, and there is 
tons of space for all kinds of outdoor 
classes.  A martial track is in the making, so 
yes - sign up your class today!  :)

-Iain


>Greetings citizens of Sylvan AEthelmearc,
>
>     I am writing in search of teachers for classes in martial activities
>for fall academy. After speaking with the chancellor of the academy it
>seems we still have plenty of space for those wishing to teach in the
>arts of fighting and fence.  So let me encourage those with knowledge to
>make our kingdom stronger by sharing what you know.
>
>You may register to be a teacher here
>http://www.aecademy.org/registration/index.php
>
>or you may contact  the Chancellor of the ?cademy, THL Juliana Delamere,
>at deb at debrahofer.com
>
>
>In Service
>Lord Gareth Kincaid,  Dean AEthelmearc War College.
>_________________________________________________________________________
>Sca-aethelmearc mailing list
>Send general discussion email to 
>discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.
>Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .
>Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:
>  more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.
>When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.
>_________________________________________________________________________


From jenn.strobel at gmail.com  Wed May  7 19:17:33 2008
From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:17:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Artisan's Forum at War Practice
Message-ID: <2ae6b4a90805071617n654f3569ice1fe8d81d7f96f2@mail.gmail.com>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
To the Artisans and Scientists of the Kingdom of AEthelmearc does
Odriana vander Brugghe bid greetings.

This is a reminder that there will be an Artisan's Forum at War
Practice on Saturday, 17 May 2008.  The forum will take place in the
Barn from noon until 2:00 p.m.

An Artisan's Forum is an opportunity to share your artistic or
scientific passion with the subjects of the Kingdom in a
non-competitive environment.  It is also a wonderful opportunity to
meet other members of the A&S community from different parts of our
Kingdom.  Please, bring your works in progress, your completed works,
your documentation, or just what you're working on right now.
Performers, bring your instruments and share your musical talents.

This forum is not only for experienced artisans or scientists; this is
for everyone, at all levels of skill and knowledge.  The display
format allows you the ability to share your talent and knowledge
without the pressure of competition.  It also allows you to get
feedback, if you want it, in an environment of mutual support.

If you have any questions about the Artisans Forum, please send mail
to: wp.artisansforum at gmail.com.

Written this seventh of May in the Barony Marche of the Debatable
Lands, by the banks of the Three Rivers, in the second year of the Boy
Mayor, Luke.

OVB
-- 
"Heer, houd Uw arm om mijn schouder, en Uw hand over mijn mond."

From jenn.strobel at gmail.com  Wed May  7 20:02:24 2008
From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:02:24 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] =?iso-8859-1?q?ANNOUNCE=3A_A=26S_Roundtable_at_the_June_?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=C6cademy?=
Message-ID: <2ae6b4a90805071702w649b4b6eke30689bffae4a043@mail.gmail.com>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
To the Artisans and Scientists of the Sylvan Kingdom of ?thelmearc
does Odriana vander Brugghe, Deputy Kingdom A&S Minister, bid
greetings.

At the June ?cademy, there will be an A&S Roundtable focusing on
building community within the Kingdom hosted by Mistress Elisabeth
(the Kingdom A&S Minister) and me.  With the sharp increases in
gasoline and the cost of living, it has become more and more difficult
for people to travel within the Kingdom to learn, teach, and be
inspired by others outside of our local areas.  Because of the
structure of how knowledge is passed along in the Society, it is
vitally important for us to be able to interact in order to share our
knowledge and to be inspired and educated by what others are doing.

This round table is to discuss these issues and to find solutions that
will work best for the community at large.

Please consider coming to this roundtable discussion at the June
?cademy; sharing your thoughts and feelings, and working together to
find meaningful solutions.  If you are not able to attend the ?cademy
and would like to weigh in on this topic, or if you are attending and
would like to weigh in on this topic sooner rather than later, please
email me directly at jenn.strobel at gmail.com.

Written this seventh day of May, by the Three Rivers in the Barony
Marche of the Debatable Lands, in the second year of the Boy Mayor,
Luke.

OVB
-- 
"Heer, houd Uw arm om mijn schouder, en Uw hand over mijn mond."

From scale at ma.rr.com  Wed May  7 21:34:58 2008
From: scale at ma.rr.com (Samuel Cale IV)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 21:34:58 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Fall academy- in need of Martial Activities Teachers
In-Reply-To: <200805072210.m47MAMGK015451@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <003301c8a4db$e9c53df0$6501a8c0@bigblue>	<0AF3E95A-8460-40EB-AF05-F38AF7F8411C@twcny.rr.com>	<48212D44.8050707@ma.rr.com>
	<200805072210.m47MAMGK015451@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <482258C2.1060101@ma.rr.com>

I stand corrected. The AEthelmearc Academy I was asking for teachers for 
martial activites is on June 20-22. Which I guess is actually the last 
day of spring and the first few days of Summer. I get hit in the head 
alot...seasons run together.... :-)

sorry for the confusion.  However we still need teachers in Martial 
activities.

-Gareth



Iain mac an Bhaird wrote:
> I believe you mean Spring AEcademy?  Registration 
> for fall AEcademy is not open yet, in fact, I'm 
> not sure we know where it will be yet. :)
>
> Spring AEcademy is in Coppertree, and there is 
> tons of space for all kinds of outdoor 
> classes.  A martial track is in the making, so 
> yes - sign up your class today!  :)
>
> -Iain
>
>
>   
>> Greetings citizens of Sylvan AEthelmearc,
>>
>>     I am writing in search of teachers for classes in martial activities
>> for fall academy. After speaking with the chancellor of the academy it
>> seems we still have plenty of space for those wishing to teach in the
>> arts of fighting and fence.  So let me encourage those with knowledge to
>> make our kingdom stronger by sharing what you know.
>>
>> You may register to be a teacher here
>> http://www.aecademy.org/registration/index.php
>>
>> or you may contact  the Chancellor of the ?cademy, THL Juliana Delamere,
>> at deb at debrahofer.com
>>
>>
>> In Service
>> Lord Gareth Kincaid,  Dean AEthelmearc War College.
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list
>> Send general discussion email to 
>> discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.
>> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .
>> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:
>>  more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.
>> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>     
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list
> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.
> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .
> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:
>  more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.
> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.
> _________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>   


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Wed May  7 23:32:17 2008
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:32:17 -0500
Subject: [SCA-AE] Stefan's Florilegium files for May
Message-ID: <BD73A3AF-C0FB-42F6-8090-E5DB8DA901A9@austin.rr.com>

Greetings to the Gentles across the Known World,

Here is a copy of my monthly Florilegium article for May, detailing  
what is new in the Florilegium this month.

If you appreciate the material which is available in the Florilegium,  
and you run a website, please consider adding a link to the  
Florilegium or any of the sections or files inside it. This will help  
others who might also find it useful to find it and make use of it.

Thanks,
    Stefan
-----
A Blending of the Past and Present

Over the past seventeen years in an ongoing effort, I have been  
collecting bits of useful information from various newsgroups, mail  
lists and articles submitted to me by their authors. In order to make  
this information available to others, I have placed this information  
in a collection of files I call Stefan's Florilegium.

The Florilegium is on the web at: http://www.florilegium.org

I am always interested in new articles. If you have written an  
article that would be of interest to others in the SCA, please send  
it to me for possible inclusion in the Florilegium. A&S documentation  
and class handouts will also often work out well.

I am also interested in volunteers who might be interested in helping  
me maintain the Florilegium. Everything from collecting materials,  
editing and web work is needed. Again, please contact me for more  
details.

      THLord Stefan li Rous   Ansteorra    stefan at florilegium.org

Here are the new files for this month:
In the ANIMALS section:
    Stirrups-hist-art    "A Short History Of Equestrian Stirrups" by
                            The Honorable Lady Maria de Andalusia.
In the ARCHERY section:
    Encourag-Arch-art    "Some Ideas on Encouraging Archery
                            Participation" by Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf.
In the BEVERAGES section:
    Hist-of-Mead-art     "A Brief History of Mead" by Sorcha Prechan.
In the CELEBRATIONS section:
    May-Day-art          "May Anniversaries and Festivals"
                            by THL Johnnae llyn Lewis.
In the FOOD-BOOKS section:
    App-a-Eye-rev-art    A review by Mistress Jadwiga Zajaczkowa of
                            "The Appetite and the Eye:...", edited by
                            C. Anne Wilson.
In the FOOD-MEATS section:
    chck-n-pastry-msg    Chicken recipes cooked or baked in pastry.
In the HERALDRY section:
    SCA-Titles-art       "Personal Titles, Landed Titles, and Styles
                            as Used in the Current Middle Ages"
                            by Detlef von Marburg.
In the PERFORMANCE ARTS section:
    Bardic-Coachg-art    "Bardic Coaching and Networking" by THL
                            Thomas Whitehart.
    Bardic-Swap-art      "Running a Bardic Swap & Shop!" by THL
                            Thomas Whitehart.
In the PLANTS, HERBS AND SPICES section:
    Hops-Hist-art        "Hops: A Brief History" by Master Rhys
                            Terafan Greydragon.

Here are just a few of the updated files this month.
    breadmaking-msg      Period bread recipes and re-creations.
    cameras-msg          Use of cameras in the SCA.
    caudls-posets-msg    Caudles and Possets. Thickened beverages.
    chicken-msg          Period and SCA chicken recipes.
    dairy-prod-msg       Dairy products. milk, butter, curds, cream.
    fd-Greece-msg        Food of medieval Greece. references.
    fd-Norse-msg         Norse and Viking food.
    feastgear-msg        Obtaining feastgear for use in the SCA.
                            cleaning wooden feastgear.
    gardening-msg        Period and modern gardening techniques.
    movies-msg           Reviews of medieval and ren. movies.
    online-ckbks-msg     Online versions of period cookbooks.
    p-menus-msg          Examples of medieval feast menus.
    P-history-msg        Pennsic history.
    p-swears-msg         Period swears, oaths and insults. euphemisms.
    pickled-foods-msg    Medieval pickled food. recipes.
    spreads-msg          Period spreads for bread. recipes.
    vegetables-msg       Period vegetables. Recipes.
---
Copyright 2008, Mark S. Harris. Permission to reprint in SCA-related  
publications is hereby granted if the file descriptions are left  
unchanged. Removing any of the updated files listed in order to fit  
the article into limited publication space is allowed.  The article  
introduction may also be edited, provided the web address and contact  
info are retained.

<end>
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas           
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****


From medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 23:38:04 2008
From: medicmacintyre15219 at yahoo.com (Shawn MacIntyre)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:38:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Agincourt Event
Message-ID: <855621.13345.qm@web36408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Very Early event teaser!!

Agincourt 
October 25th 2008
Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands

I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:
Follow your spirit; and, upon this charge
Cry 'God for Harry! England and Saint George!'
Henry V, 3. 1

We invite one and all to join us for our third annual
celebration of the feast of Saint Crispin! Our event
is themed on the battle of Agincourt that was fought
in northern France as part of the Hundred Years' War.
The battle was fought on a rainy Saint Crispin?s Day,
in 1415 between the English and Welsh army of King
Henry V and the French army of King Charles VI.

The many fights to be had throughout the day will sate
Fighter and Fencers alike. For the fencers, your day
will begin with a melee on an hourglass shaped field;
you will later fight the Tavern Brawl as well as a
Fencing Tourney. For the Heavy Fighters, you have many
battles ahead of you, all with combat archery. The
Heavy Tavern Brawl will take place in the afternoon,
hand weapons only please.
 
What a sad day this would be without archery, Archers
won the Battle of Agincourt. Along with combat
archery, we will hold an Archery Tournament and a
Youth Archery Tournament. There will also be an
opportunity to test the skills of Aethelmearc?s
Archers against a fierce French Army.

There will be plenty to do for the non-fighter as
well. There will be an A&S competition with the theme
being Leather working. We are also looking for kind
gentles to hold classes throughout the day on topics
relevant to the period. We would especially like to
see classes on leather working in honor of St.
Crispin. 

An amazing lunch and feast is being prepared as well
by the very talented Odriana vander Brugghe, Odriana
will be cooking a feast of 14th Century English
cuisine. During feast we will have a Dueling Bards
Competition, to entertain the crowd and all honored
guests. 

Garb of the period is requested and will make the
atmosphere more authentic, but of course not required.

This grand event is to be held at the Dorseyville
Volunteer Fire Department Social Hall, 100 Charles
Street Dorseyville, PA 15238. The Site fee will be
$10.00 of Off Board (Side board lunch included), and
$17.00 On Board. Children ages 6-12 shall be half
price and Wee Ones (5 and under) shall be free. The
site opens at 9am and closes at 10pm. No pets inside
the building except service animals. The site is wet,
period containers please. We invite all to bring
banners of their Family and Households to decorate the
walls of the feast hall.

 Any questions regarding fighting please direct to
Lord Morien McBain (Steve Vandevander;
svandevander(at)hotmail.com). For feast restrictions
or questions please contact Odriana vander Brugghe
(Jenn Strobel; Odriana(at)gmail.com) at least 2 weeks
prior to the event. Any other questions please contact
Liam (Shawn MacIntyre; agincourt_bmdl(at)yahoo.com 

Reservations are being and troll are being handled by
Lady Helewys Spynnere
(chatelaine(at)debatablelands.org) Mail Reservations
to: 209 Avenue F Pittsburgh PA 15221. Pre-registration
rates are as follows for anyone over age 12: Outboard
$5.00, On Board $9.00, On board with Feast $16.00.
Ages 6 ? 12 are Half Price, 5 and under are free. 
Fees for On board and On board with feast will
increase by $2.00 for those who are not pre-registered
the day of the event. A $3.00 charge will be added for
non SCA members. 

A limited number of tables will be available for
merchants to sell their wares, for information e-mail:
agincourt_bmdl at yahoo.com.





    Shawn MacIntyre 
EMT/FFII/Rescue Technician 
Etna Fire Rescue
  Ross/West View EMSA
  (SCA: Liam MacanTsaoir)
   
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From rufinasca at gmail.com  Thu May  8 13:30:31 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:30:31 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] peer card bio plea + name list, please read
Message-ID: <88ccaae90805081030j75db1a16nc9d5724bddc4b72e@mail.gmail.com>

hi everybody!

work on the photos for the cards for war practice is going really well! :)

work on the bios.....well....not so much....   :(

this is a plea for help.

please please please, if your name (or a friend's name) is on the following
list, could you please scroll down and answer some/all of the questions that
are below the name list & EMAIL IT BACK TO ME?

rufinasca at gmail.com

if you see a friend on the list and would like to help with their bio, by
all means, jump in! send me something! anything! copy them in on whatever
email you send please.

for some of these people i have basic information, but nothing else beyond
that. I may not use all of the information you give me, but i'd rather have
enuf info to trim down.... PLEASE try to be wordy. i'll pick & choose & edit
for space for the card....  please have to me by SUNDAY afternoon, thanks.

i know i have more photos in my archives, but these are the ones i can find
right now....

here are names of people for whom i have no information.  (with bad
misspellings - please send me the correct spellings, thanks ;)

brandric slayrock
alonzio of the peacemakers
kris gilbari
ailis linne
katja & eric grenier de la barre
angus macbain
yasmina
don diego
duncn & aelinor
alexander (something) of wic?
filip of the marche

for these people i have some basic info and nothing interesting beyond that:

clarice & artemus (as a pair)
mathilde des pyrenees
julianna richenda trevain
honnoria of thescore
irene von schmetterling
william de montegelt
cyneric drakaheorte
sibyl cairnfalcon

i have old pics of the following people, and would be willing to make them
into cards if i get bios:

edmund tregelis
fast eddy/viscount sir edward - 2 different cards :)
"flossie"
connor bowsplitter
cedric&peregrin
bear - i'd really love to do this one. i'd even love more if someone could
send me a better pic than the one i have......
devon in his golfcart at pennsic
anna blackleaf
alisha langland
ghille macdonald
daniel del cavalo
torstien ronno
aleaha baggah - big feather hat picture :)
mathias sean cameron


When did you join the SCA and why?
What is your favorite SCA activity?
What is your proudest/happiest/most memorable SCA moment?
Do you have a nickname in the SCA and why?
What do people in the SCA know you for?
Are there any funny/touching stories about yourself that you'd like to
share?

mail to:  rufinasca at gmail.com

again, try to be wordy. if i get something like "i like fish" for the
portion where you are supposed to write something interesting about
yourself, i find myself asking "on your device? on your plate? as your
significant other? as a pet? in an aquarium? in the ocean? on the end of a
fishing line? in a song? as a medium for art? as a fashion accessory????"
:)

thank you all!!!

rufina

From caleb at buffnet.net  Thu May  8 13:39:10 2008
From: caleb at buffnet.net (caleb at buffnet.net)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:39:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] peer card bio plea + name list, please read
In-Reply-To: <88ccaae90805081030j75db1a16nc9d5724bddc4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <88ccaae90805081030j75db1a16nc9d5724bddc4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37562.192.151.110.119.1210268350.squirrel@webmail.buffnet.net>

> hi everybody!
>
> work on the photos for the cards for war practice is going really well!
> :)
>
> work on the bios.....well....not so much....   :(
>
> this is a plea for help.
>

Just a quick question: are the "duncn & aelinor" you listed actually
Donnchad Iain MacGafriadh and Ailionora MacGafriadh; 6th Baron and
Baroness of the Rhydderich Hael?

Caleb Reynolds
Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
from Work Land





From hawkhill at frontiernet.net  Thu May  8 13:45:18 2008
From: hawkhill at frontiernet.net (hawkhill at frontiernet.net)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 17:45:18 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] peer card bio plea + name list, please read
In-Reply-To: <88ccaae90805081030j75db1a16nc9d5724bddc4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <88ccaae90805081030j75db1a16nc9d5724bddc4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080508174518.yw34kgdt3488g8w4@webmail.frontiernet.net>

Here's the page for Sir Aengus McBain
http://www.lightlink.com/rhiannon/Laurel_individ_pgs/Aengus_laurel.html

and here's Honnoria of Thescorre


hope that helps!
-Brianna mcBain


http://www.lightlink.com/rhiannon/Laurel_individ_pgs/honnoria_laurel.html

Quoting "L.J. Rodriguez" <rufinasca at gmail.com>:

> hi everybody!
>
> work on the photos for the cards for war practice is going really well! :)
>
> work on the bios.....well....not so much....   :(
>
> this is a plea for help.
>
> please please please, if your name (or a friend's name) is on the following
> list, could you please scroll down and answer some/all of the questions that
> are below the name list & EMAIL IT BACK TO ME?
>
> rufinasca at gmail.com
>
> if you see a friend on the list and would like to help with their bio, by
> all means, jump in! send me something! anything! copy them in on whatever
> email you send please.
>
> for some of these people i have basic information, but nothing else beyond
> that. I may not use all of the information you give me, but i'd rather have
> enuf info to trim down.... PLEASE try to be wordy. i'll pick & choose & edit
> for space for the card....  please have to me by SUNDAY afternoon, thanks.
>
> i know i have more photos in my archives, but these are the ones i can find
> right now....
>
> here are names of people for whom i have no information.  (with bad
> misspellings - please send me the correct spellings, thanks ;)
>
> brandric slayrock
> alonzio of the peacemakers
> kris gilbari
> ailis linne
> katja & eric grenier de la barre
> angus macbain
> yasmina
> don diego
> duncn & aelinor
> alexander (something) of wic?
> filip of the marche
>
> for these people i have some basic info and nothing interesting beyond that:
>
> clarice & artemus (as a pair)
> mathilde des pyrenees
> julianna richenda trevain
> honnoria of thescore
> irene von schmetterling
> william de montegelt
> cyneric drakaheorte
> sibyl cairnfalcon
>
> i have old pics of the following people, and would be willing to make them
> into cards if i get bios:
>
> edmund tregelis
> fast eddy/viscount sir edward - 2 different cards :)
> "flossie"
> connor bowsplitter
> cedric&peregrin
> bear - i'd really love to do this one. i'd even love more if someone could
> send me a better pic than the one i have......
> devon in his golfcart at pennsic
> anna blackleaf
> alisha langland
> ghille macdonald
> daniel del cavalo
> torstien ronno
> aleaha baggah - big feather hat picture :)
> mathias sean cameron
>
>
> When did you join the SCA and why?
> What is your favorite SCA activity?
> What is your proudest/happiest/most memorable SCA moment?
> Do you have a nickname in the SCA and why?
> What do people in the SCA know you for?
> Are there any funny/touching stories about yourself that you'd like to
> share?
>
> mail to:  rufinasca at gmail.com
>
> again, try to be wordy. if i get something like "i like fish" for the
> portion where you are supposed to write something interesting about
> yourself, i find myself asking "on your device? on your plate? as your
> significant other? as a pet? in an aquarium? in the ocean? on the end of a
> fishing line? in a song? as a medium for art? as a fashion accessory????"
> :)
>
> thank you all!!!
>
> rufina
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From grm at andrew.cmu.edu  Thu May  8 14:04:24 2008
From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:04:24 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] peer card bio plea + name list, please read
In-Reply-To: <37562.192.151.110.119.1210268350.squirrel@webmail.buffnet.net>
References: <88ccaae90805081030j75db1a16nc9d5724bddc4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
	<37562.192.151.110.119.1210268350.squirrel@webmail.buffnet.net>
Message-ID: <BC9921F0E94441E129D831F1@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>

They are one and the same. (Having seen the pictures, I can answer 
authoritatively on this one)

toodles, margaret

--On Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:39 PM -0400 caleb at buffnet.net wrote:

>> hi everybody!
>>
>> work on the photos for the cards for war practice is going really well!
>> :)
>>
>> work on the bios.....well....not so much....   :(
>>
>> this is a plea for help.
>>
>
> Just a quick question: are the "duncn & aelinor" you listed actually
> Donnchad Iain MacGafriadh and Ailionora MacGafriadh; 6th Baron and
> Baroness of the Rhydderich Hael?
>
> Caleb Reynolds
> Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
> from Work Land
>
>
>
>
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From katjaorlova at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 14:05:34 2008
From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] peer card bio plea + name list, please read
In-Reply-To: <88ccaae90805081030j75db1a16nc9d5724bddc4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <570509.70065.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Answered privately for Katja & Eric

"L.J. Rodriguez" <rufinasca at gmail.com> wrote:  hi everybody!

work on the photos for the cards for war practice is going really well! :)

work on the bios.....well....not so much.... :(

this is a plea for help.

please please please, if your name (or a friend's name) is on the following
list, could you please scroll down and answer some/all of the questions that
are below the name list & EMAIL IT BACK TO ME?

From caleb at buffnet.net  Thu May  8 14:25:24 2008
From: caleb at buffnet.net (caleb at buffnet.net)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:25:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] peer card bio plea + name list, please read
In-Reply-To: <BC9921F0E94441E129D831F1@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>
References: <88ccaae90805081030j75db1a16nc9d5724bddc4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
	<37562.192.151.110.119.1210268350.squirrel@webmail.buffnet.net>
	<BC9921F0E94441E129D831F1@Grump1.WV.CC.CMU.EDU>
Message-ID: <41440.192.151.110.119.1210271124.squirrel@webmail.buffnet.net>

Thank you.

I will forward this to them as I do not think they are on this list these
days.

Caleb Reynolds
Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
from Work Land

> They are one and the same. (Having seen the pictures, I can answer
> authoritatively on this one)
>
> toodles, margaret
>
> --On Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:39 PM -0400 caleb at buffnet.net wrote:
>
>>> hi everybody!
>>>
>>> work on the photos for the cards for war practice is going really
>>> well! :)
>>>
>>> work on the bios.....well....not so much....   :(
>>>
>>> this is a plea for help.
>>>
>>
>> Just a quick question: are the "duncn & aelinor" you listed actually
>> Donnchad Iain MacGafriadh and Ailionora MacGafriadh; 6th Baron and
>> Baroness of the Rhydderich Hael?
>>
>> Caleb Reynolds
>> Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
>> from Work Land
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
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>> the list. Email Official announcements to
>> announcements at aethelmearc.org . Visit
>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:
>>  more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.
>> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>
>
>
>
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From greenstein at earthlink.net  Thu May  8 14:43:19 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:43:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [SCA-AE] peer card bio plea + name list, please read
Message-ID: <25766146.1210272200465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> Are there any funny/touching stories about yourself that you'd like to
> share?

I would prefer that people NOT share stories about touching themselves.  That seems somehow unwholesome.

- Michael

From vallawulf at aol.com  Fri May  9 02:02:52 2008
From: vallawulf at aol.com (Vallawulf Rurikson)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 06:02:52 -0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] Passing of Viscountess Elaina
Message-ID: <g00pec+3rv5@eGroups.com>

Greetings to the list...

THL Jacquelin de Normandie has informed me that Viscountess Elaina 
von Mannheim (Toni Cordaro), 29th Princess of the Sun, has passed 
away in Atenveldt on Sunday, May 4 at 11:45 a.m.

Vicountess Elaina reigned with HE Viscount Sir Ulric von Brettvalda, 
the Dragon Bear (9/15/1990-3/16/1991). She had taken over the reins 
the Hospitality Corps at Estrella War last year. From the stories she 
has told me, been a long member of this kingdom.

Elaina fell and had broken her hip in mid-March. On the day she was 
supposed to go home from the hospital, she developed a Mersa staph 
infection, which spread through her organs, proceeding to shut them 
down. 

By request of her family, any inquires should be sent to THL 
Jacquelin at (jacquelineofnormandie at yahoo.com) or call her at 623-434-
8498.

There will be a memorial service for Viscountess Elaina on Friday, 
May 9 at 5 p.m. The funeral home is Mountain Memorial Gardens (7900 
E. Main, Mesa, AZ 85027).

The family asks for no flowers to be sent please. However if you wish 
to send a card please either send it to the funeral home or in care 
of her daughter Eileene Zungia, 9736 E. Balsam Ave, D101. Mesa AZ, 
85027.

Her daughter is planning a get together at her home afterwards. All 
are invited to come and share in the memories of Elaina.

Sadly,
Vallawulf



From salley at klaatu.canisius.edu  Fri May  9 09:49:02 2008
From: salley at klaatu.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:49:02 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [AE] Crown Tournament Lost and Found
Message-ID: <200805091349.m49Dn2F16549@klaatu.canisius.edu>


Found:
1 women's black pants
1 women's purple shirt
1 women's set of undergarments
1 pair black stretch pants
1 green shirt
1 pair black gloves
1 ceramic bowl
3 game cartridges -- 2 nintendo, 1 gameboy
1 hacky sack
1 herald's favor
1 black umbrella
5 plastic tent stakes
1 giant checkers set and fabric board, complete

Lost:
1 lawn chair, marked with a pentagram

If you make contact with us quickly enough, 
we can return your things to you at War Practice
All unclaimed items will be donated to the auction
at Heronter's Harvest Raid this fall.
-- Dagonell, Left Hand Autocrat for Crown Tournament

From rufinasca at gmail.com  Fri May  9 13:32:27 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:32:27 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] UPDATE card bio plea NAMES OF DONS
Message-ID: <88ccaae90805091032o86600b4o5dec5111e28dcf0e@mail.gmail.com>

for the "special series" i'm offering, please add the following names:

cubstride
iladore
quinn kerr
he who used to be cusar (sp?) but changed his name - bogger
rhiannon the curious
diego miguel munoz de castilla
christian amaury de launey

READ MESSAGE BELOW

hi everybody!

work on the photos for the cards for war practice is going really well! :)

work on the bios.....well....not so much....   :(

this is a plea for help.

please please please, if your name (or a friend's name) is on the following
list, could you please scroll down and answer some/all of the questions that
are below the name list & EMAIL IT BACK TO ME?

rufinasca at gmail.com

if you see a friend on the list and would like to help with their bio, by
all means, jump in! send me something! anything! copy them in on whatever
email you send please.

for some of these people i have basic information, but nothing else beyond
that. I may not use all of the information you give me, but i'd rather have
enuf info to trim down.... PLEASE try to be wordy. i'll pick & choose & edit
for space for the card....  please have to me by SUNDAY afternoon, thanks.

i know i have more photos in my archives, but these are the ones i can find
right now....


When did you join the SCA and why?
What is your favorite SCA activity?
What is your proudest/happiest/most memorable SCA moment?
Do you have a nickname in the SCA and why?
What do people in the SCA know you for?
Are there any funny/touching stories about yourself that you'd like to
share?

mail to:  rufinasca at gmail.com

again, try to be wordy. if i get something like "i like fish" for the
portion where you are supposed to write something interesting about
yourself, i find myself asking "on your device? on your plate? as your
significant other? as a pet? in an aquarium? in the ocean? on the end of a
fishing line? in a song? as a medium for art? as a fashion accessory????"
:)

thank you all!!!

rufina

From rufinasca at gmail.com  Fri May  9 13:51:22 2008
From: rufinasca at gmail.com (L.J. Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:51:22 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] AEWP water challenge!
Message-ID: <88ccaae90805091051r18de07aexecee5e47f19eb070@mail.gmail.com>

i challenge everyone in the kingdom to buy 1 (or more if yer feeling like
splurging) gallon jug of water and donate it to the waterbearing at war
practice. this gallon will cost you less than a dollar, and will make some
fighter/fencer/etc very grateful on saturday.

OR YOU COULD BRING CLEAN EMPTY GALLON JUGS! that's even cheaper...  :)  one
year i filled mine at home before i brought them....hint hint....

i'm making this challenge because for years i saved all the water jugs we
used all winter and donated them to the waterbearers at warpractice. then
one year i found out that i was the ONLY person doing it. i don't use the
gallon jugs of water since i moved, so i don't have any to give. :(   SO,
*i'm* buying a couple.

last year i know some folks donated water - thank you for answering my
challenge! you are too cool!

this year YOU can be cool too, and donate water/jugs. don't leave it up to
'someone else' to do - 'someone else' might NOT...

thanks!

rufina

From calvertdegrey at msn.com  Fri May  9 16:02:50 2008
From: calvertdegrey at msn.com (Rich G)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 16:02:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Happy news
Message-ID: <BLU136-F13FD72C1A255F3DDF790F5B6D30@phx.gbl>

Because sometimes we don't get enough happy news.

We are pleased to announce the birth of Emma, third child of Sir Matthias 
Sean Cameron and his wife Averill this afternoon (9 May 2008) at Sisters 
Hospital in Buffalo. Baby and mommy are in good spirits, good health and are 
trying to rest comfortably.


- Calvert (posting at the request of Sir Cameron)



Rich Goranson (Lord Stephan Calvert deGrey)
Amherst, NY, USA (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc)

"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life" - 
Henry II of England



From Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com  Fri May  9 16:13:24 2008
From: Orilee.Ireland-delfs at xerox.com (Ireland-delfs, Orilee)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:13:24 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Happy news
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-F13FD72C1A255F3DDF790F5B6D30@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU136-F13FD72C1A255F3DDF790F5B6D30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C7B49D0E12A66F449112CCF2BC4933B10734D2B9@USA0300MS01.na.xerox.net>

Yeah!  And AEthelmearc grows and grows and grows ... : )

Please relay our congratulations to Sir Cameron and his family.

Orianna

-----Original Message-----
From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Rich G
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:03 PM
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Subject: [SCA-AE] Happy news

Because sometimes we don't get enough happy news.

We are pleased to announce the birth of Emma, third child of Sir Matthias 
Sean Cameron and his wife Averill this afternoon (9 May 2008) at Sisters 
Hospital in Buffalo. Baby and mommy are in good spirits, good health and are 
trying to rest comfortably.


- Calvert (posting at the request of Sir Cameron)



Rich Goranson (Lord Stephan Calvert deGrey)
Amherst, NY, USA (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc)

"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life" - 
Henry II of England



From CNesbit253 at aol.com  Fri May  9 21:31:09 2008
From: CNesbit253 at aol.com (CNesbit253 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:31:09 EDT
Subject: [SCA-AE] OT: Looking for Duchess Angelik
Message-ID: <c6b.2f34e41b.355654dd@aol.com>

Please contact me at your convenience at the Prince at aethelmearc.org  
address.  
 
Thanks, 
 
Christopher, Prince



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From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Sat May 10 09:23:05 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:23:05 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Call for Commentary from Grand Council: Topic # 1
Message-ID: <CF44C836-20FE-4218-BFC6-04DF3CB5EE1D@rochester.rr.com>

Good gentles,

I bring you greetings from Grand Council.  For this quarter, the Board  
has requested commentary on the following issue;

Quoted from the posting by our chairman:

 >Please consider the demographics of the SCA, who are we, where are we
 >headed. How are things changing? Do they differ across Kingdoms?
 >What are our historical demographics, and how is that different than  
our current demographics?
 >I would also consider the subject of why demographic change has  
happened to be on Topic for this one.
 >An example of what they are looking for as I read it is things like  
how changes in culture and regulations affect who participates.

I am asking you to put your minds to this and to send comments to me  
at aethelgc at yahoo dot com.  Please include the words "Topic # 1" in  
your headers.

In service,

FRIDRIKR, Aethelmearc Representative to Grand Council

From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Sun May 11 09:10:44 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:10:44 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO The Sylvan Bards
Message-ID: <6E8F3E49-C7DF-4567-B61A-9941F79605EE@rochester.rr.com>

Would the Sylvan Bards of Aethelmearc please contact me privately?

Many thanks,

FRIDRIKR


From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net  Sun May 11 19:00:29 2008
From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:00:29 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Announce: War Practice
Message-ID: <000001c8b3ba$d5538a50$1001a8c0@otter>

Sorry for the bandwidth, but I wanted to make sure this was seen by as many
people as possible.  

 

According to sources in the area power crews have been working all month on
stringing new lines throughout the area near the site and have initially
taken all the normally available motel space.  So, just in case anyone out
there knows of someone who may want to go to War Practice this coming
weekend and may be in need of a reasonable motel room because of health or
other issues and cannot find one, I can help.  I have a room booked at
Michael's Motel just up the road from the site that I now will not need.
Instead of just canceling it I would like to offer it up to someone first.
If you would like more details please contact me privately no later than
Tuesday morning via the following addy: biotta at worldnet dot att dot net
and I will give price and room details.  

 

Many Thanks,

 

Biotta


From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 00:10:56 2008
From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 21:10:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Pick-a-prize Raffle at AE War Practice
Message-ID: <196971.11846.qm@web54606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good Evening Good Gentles,

Once again with the support of the Canton of
Steltonwald the Tribe of Tuatha Firen will be running
a Pick-a-prize Raffle at War Practice.  Lady
Fionnghuala will be arriving Thursday and will be in
the Barn Friday & Saturday displaying goods, selling
tickets and seperately of the raffle SELLING BOOKS (we
all now SCAdian's are book whores so come check out
what she has for sale!).  Proceeds from the raffle
will be donated to Their Majesties to assist them in
deferring travel expenses, they have a busy schedule
ahead and with gas costing what it does every little
bit will help!  

The Tribe provides the physical presence of selling
tickets, hauling stuff to and from the barn, etc but
we are always amazed at the generosity of the populace
who are willing to donate items for either the raffle
itself or books for the book sale.  If you would like
to buy tickets or donate items Lady Fionnghuala or
another member of the Tribe will be in the barn (look
for the tables of "stuff" normally to your left when
you enter the barn and the Tribe banner a golden
torque on a red field).  The raffle itself will be
Sunday morning starting at 9 am and going until all
items are gone, hopefully finishing timely so as not
to interfere with Their Majesties Curia.  

Any questions feel free to email me off list
williamfreskynmurray (at) yahoo (dot) com.

in service
Will 

SKA William Freskyn Murray
MKA Will Carson
squire to Baron Sir Bedawyr of Avaricum
foster squire to Viscount Syr Alexander Caithnes of Wyk
Chieftain of the Tribe of Tuatha Firen
Baron of the Court of Aethelmearc
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From bataarsogdo at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 13:58:23 2008
From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com (ron kummer)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 13:58:23 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Port Oasis] My Thanks
Message-ID: <BAY106-W469CF036E79EDAA717B061BACD0@phx.gbl>


'Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it'


To: PortOasis at yahoogroups.comFrom: cubstride905 at yahoo.comDate: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:19:54 -0700Subject: [Port Oasis] My Thanks



Thank you to all who braved weather and rising gasprices to attend the Misty Highlands Relay for LifeDemo/Fundraiser. With the rain we had to moveactivities indoors and so the allure to passerby folkswas lost, and the overall numbers present were abouthalf the previous year, despite that hwe had a greattime and put on a wonderful show for the spectators. The local newspaper had a nice photo of Anias inaction and an even bigger pic of Emily giving me anice stab in the side, under my left arm.The heavy fighters were definate stars of the day andthe action, what I got to see of it was spectacular! !It was a wonderful display of prowess and chivalry tothis spectator..( Though my daughters drew away myattention from the heavy fighting pretty early Iadmit.) The heavy community's support of this Demoover the years has been phenomenal and one itsgreatest strengths. The Squire Gareth had donated aone hundred dollar gift certificate to the victor ofthe heavy tourney, usuable for armor from him. Anias won both tourneys that day, the Fencing and theHeavy. He donated the armor gift certificate the Shireof Misty Highlands Iron Key's needs. Vivat to DonAnias!!!!Again, thanks to all who attended.. and if someone ison the Main AEthelmearc Mail list, please forward thisas is appropo. Everyones support was wonderful, youare all amazing people. Thank you for giving ofyourselves in the Battle Against Cancer.. Your efforttouches many lives. As a cancer survivor, I applaudyou all.You're my Heroes.Cub/Val----------'Newecanetepa, Weshemanitoo, weshecatweloo, keweshelawaypa'The Creator is the Friend of the People, let us always do good.'Whosoever... shall follow truth too neare the heeles, it may happily strike out his teeth... He that goes after her too farre off, looseth her sight, and looseth him-selfe: and he that walkes after her at a middle distance; I know not whether I should call that kinde of course Temper or Bassenesse' -- Sir Walter Ralegh, 'History of the World'__________________________________________________________Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ__._,_.___ 
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From moniczka at twcny.rr.com  Mon May 12 13:36:28 2008
From: moniczka at twcny.rr.com (Moniczka)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:36:28 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Martial Schola Lost & Found
Message-ID: <9227DDC3D5974D81BE372F9EDF30B635@MoniczkaPC>

Greetings!
I have a very short list of items that we found during clean-up at the Heavy Weapons Tournament & Martial Schola.
We found

1 spoon
1 site token (?)  cord with black & red beads and a bell
1 wooden plate
1 purple & black pouch, there's a notebook inside with a Delftwood sticker on the front
1 stuffed white chicken child's toy.

If you recognize any of the items, please contact me.
Thank you
Moniczka
Recovering Autocrat
moniczka at twcny.rr.com

From moniczka at twcny.rr.com  Mon May 12 13:40:40 2008
From: moniczka at twcny.rr.com (Moniczka)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:40:40 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Heavy Weapons Tournament
Message-ID: <3FEB6C70F61A46D29E8A1FF3A062F1B6@MoniczkaPC>

I would just like to say thank you to everyone that helped with this event.  

Anastasie, William, Maggie, Corbin, Gillian, and Henryk, who came out Friday night to help set up tents.

Felicity & Frederick and their crew of kitchen magicians for the awesome feast.

All my teachers!!!!

All the people who stayed for clean-up.  Thanks to them we were out of there at a reasonable time.

And everyone else for coming out, lending a hand, having fun, and making it a wonderful event.

Again, my thanks

Moniczka
Recovering Autocrat


From marksmoot at comcast.net  Mon May 12 22:52:18 2008
From: marksmoot at comcast.net (Fintan na Coilled)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:52:18 -0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] Will's Revenge
Message-ID: <g0avp2+8jor@eGroups.com>

Greetings good Gentles of Aethelmearc

Will's Revenge has come and gone. And WOW!! The weather didn't get 
bad. The event went off without a hitch. The archers started off 
setting up then had some fun with a night shoot Friday night. The 
shire really knows how to treat it's marshals...they provided a great 
breakfast to get us jump started Sat morn.

The days events were great,  Master Spence Colby, Master Gille 
MacDounhill, Nanzydon and THL Cormac MacDubh put on some awesome 
walkthru ranges. Royal rounds were shared duty by many of the fine 
marshals. Master Denys the Decadent had a crossbow range set up. And 
Mistress Aleea Baga, ran the memorial shoot for THL Ulric Wulfricson. 
To top off the fun the archers flung many arrows at the Knight of 
Death on the lake. I know there were many archers who helped out and 
I thank you all.

I thank all of the staff of the event who worked effortesly to make 
the day fun for all. My hats off to the autocrat Lady Livia Valentini 
who put it all together. We look forward to next years Will's Revenge.

Yours in Service
THL Fintan na Coilled
Aethalmearc Archery General


From sarah.goslee at gmail.com  Tue May 13 07:05:37 2008
From: sarah.goslee at gmail.com (Sarah Goslee)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:05:37 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Will's Revenge
In-Reply-To: <g0avp2+8jor@eGroups.com>
References: <g0avp2+8jor@eGroups.com>
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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Fintan na Coilled wrote:

>  ... and THL Cormac MacDubh...

That would properly be Master Cormac Dubh. He's pretty
scarce these days, so no surprise you didn't get his name.
For that matter, I wouldn't be surprised if he _told_ you
something incorrect! :)

Phiala

-- 
Sarah Goslee
http://www.stringpage.com

From elsbeth at pobox.com  Tue May 13 08:48:24 2008
From: elsbeth at pobox.com (Kathryn Van Stone)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:48:24 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Heraldic consult table
Message-ID: <B875932C-AC3C-4F1B-9491-23420066892F@pobox.com>


Greetings from Elsbeth Anne Roth,

There will be a heraldic consult table from 11 to 4 on Saturday at  
War Practice. As far as I know, this is the last table currently  
scheduled before Pennsic.

Again, if you are interested in coming to the table, feel free to  
just come, but all feel free to contact me at elsbeth at pobox.com to  
ensure that we bring the appropriate books/articles, as we are unable  
to bring all books to all consult tables.

In service,

Elsbeth


From KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net  Tue May 13 15:11:01 2008
From: KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net (KaziBrionSCA)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:11:01 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Bored Housewife
In-Reply-To: <b0da43e60805012019v515f673ep80297032165777b7@mail.gmail.com>
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Greetings:

Would somebody please give me contact info for the Bored Housewife?  

Thank you...

Kazi


From sppksp at worldnet.att.net  Tue May 13 15:04:50 2008
From: sppksp at worldnet.att.net (sppksp)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:04:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] OT - Fencing, fighting gear for sale
Message-ID: <FD84DD3954EB43CC8A63EC55F9F7D631@HomeOffice>

Hi everyone,
 
I have some fencing gear I would like to sell, and I have one aluminum kite
shield I would like to sell.  For details, please contact me off-list at
sppksp at worldnet.att.net.
 
Thanks!
 
Kazi
 

From greyraven315 at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 15:32:43 2008
From: greyraven315 at yahoo.com (Giovanna Antonia DaNapoli)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Bored Housewife
In-Reply-To: <5DEEB36407F446E383ABC70453588585@HomeOffice>
Message-ID: <620374.50581.qm@web56711.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

what kind of info, and is there someone specific you are looking for?
   
  Lady G.

KaziBrionSCA <KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
  Greetings:

Would somebody please give me contact info for the Bored Housewife? 

Thank you...

Kazi

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From laochlain at hotmail.com  Tue May 13 15:42:23 2008
From: laochlain at hotmail.com (Timothy A Henry)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:42:23 -0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] New Archer General for Aethelmearc.!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <g0cquv+iehn@eGroups.com>

Greetings to all from Laochlain Silverwolf,

At Wills Revenge I stepped down as Archer General as my 2 years had 
come to a close. I would like to thank all of the Royals I have 
served,the archers, and the populus. Your support has been wonderful.

So without further ado please welcome on board as The New Archer 
General for the Kingdom of Aethelmearc---THL Fintan na Coilled.


YIS,
Laochlain Silverwolf


From miladybc at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 16:01:44 2008
From: miladybc at yahoo.com (B. Legander-Woods)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Bored Housewife
In-Reply-To: <620374.50581.qm@web56711.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <616766.22627.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kitty (Bored Housewife) only answers emails once in a blue moon she'sn the road so much.
   
  Basimah Ullahkhan 
  Basimah's Bountifuls

Giovanna Antonia DaNapoli <greyraven315 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  what kind of info, and is there someone specific you are looking for?

Lady G.

KaziBrionSCA wrote:
Greetings:

Would somebody please give me contact info for the Bored Housewife? 

Thank you...

Kazi

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From greyraven315 at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 16:24:30 2008
From: greyraven315 at yahoo.com (Giovanna Antonia DaNapoli)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Bored Housewife
In-Reply-To: <616766.22627.qm@web38906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <116052.35517.qm@web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Well, I hope she is heard from soon. I have never seen the heading before, so I figured, alittle clarification was needed.lol There are alot of bored housewives here.hehehe.
   
  Lady Giovanna
   
  

"B. Legander-Woods" <miladybc at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Kitty (Bored Housewife) only answers emails once in a blue moon she'sn the road so much.

Basimah Ullahkhan 
Basimah's Bountifuls

Giovanna Antonia DaNapoli wrote:
what kind of info, and is there someone specific you are looking for?

Lady G.

KaziBrionSCA wrote:
Greetings:

Would somebody please give me contact info for the Bored Housewife? 

Thank you...

Kazi

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From bataarsogdo at hotmail.com  Tue May 13 17:54:09 2008
From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com (ron kummer)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:54:09 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Bored Housewife
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She will be at War Practice this weekend.
 
Bataar"Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it"> From: KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:11:01 -0400> Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Bored Housewife> > Greetings:> > Would somebody please give me contact info for the Bored Housewife? > > Thank you...> > Kazi> > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From matildabosvyle at gmail.com  Tue May 13 22:27:45 2008
From: matildabosvyle at gmail.com (Matilda)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:27:45 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] =?windows-1252?q?ANNOUNCE=3A_Court_report_of_TRM=92s_Kha?=
	=?windows-1252?q?lek_and_Branwyn_from_Will=92s_Revenge?=
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Court report of TRM's Khalek and Branwyn from Will's Revenge on May 10th
A.S. 43 held in the Shire of Abhain Ciach Ghlais as reported by THL Matilda
Bosvyle de Bela Acqua, Silver Buccle, with the assistance of THLord
Christopher Harper.

Morning Court.

Their Majesties called forth Their Archery Commander, Laochlain Silverwulf,
and his successor, Fintan na Coilled. The former was thanked for his 2 years
of past service to AEthelmearc; the latter was invested with the
responsibility of leading the Kingdom archers to battle at Pennsic.

THLord Egill the Dane, having just descended from his wagon, was called
before the Court to be congratulated upon the anniversary of his birth, ?and
issued a writ of summons to appear before Their Majesties at Their evening
Court to answer if he would accept elevation to the most noble Order of the
Pelican (scroll by Vivienne of Yardley).

The people of the Shire of Abhain Ciach Ghlais presented a gift to the
Princess Royal, Talia.

Evening Court.

Livia Valentini was Awarded Arms for her service as Autocrat and hospitaler
(scroll illum. By John the Artificer).

Their Excellencies of the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands, Byron and
Ariella were presented with traditional Mongolian tokens of safe passage in
exchange for Their agreement to raise an army to fight for AEthelmearc in
the coming Pennsic War.

Magdelena Txoperena was Awarded Arms for her skills at cooking, fighting and
various arts (scroll by Gwilym o'r Tair Afon).

Ewen MacSuibhne received an Award of Arms for his skill upon the combat
field and assistance in the kitchen (scroll by Isabela Montoya).

Kilian Helm was Awarded Arms (in absentia) for his work as cook, retainer
and help with youth activities (scroll by Isabela Montoya).

Masayuki Nozaki received an Award of Arms for service to his group, combat
and the study of blacksmithery (scroll by Gwilym o'r Tair Afon).

Master Gilles de Beauchamps begged a boon of Their Majesties that They might
witness his taking of a Prot?g?. Brigitta of Abhain Ciach Ghlais, having
agreed to the contract provided to her by Master Giles, accepted his belt.
She was also gifted of a pair of sturdy gloves, as he explained there was
much work to be done.

Lord Gilchrist MacNaughton was called before Their Majesties to receive the
Order of the Golden Alce for his fearlessness upon the field of combat and
skill with multiple weapons forms (scroll by Astraya).

Master Thorstein Christianson Ronnow was awarded the Order of the Golden
Alce for his many years of heavy combat service to the Kingdom (scroll by
Astraya).

Lord Mendel Wisebegere was named (in absentia) to the Order of the Keystone
for his service running period gaming, feasts and as exchequer for his group
(scroll by Mairghread ui Stilbhard uu Coinn).

Duke Morguhn Sheridan was the declared winner of the Kingdom Heavy Weapons
Champion Tournament and graciously assumed his post to hold the Sword of
State by his Majesty's side. The former Kingdom Champion, Count Maynard von
dem Steine, was saluted for his past service to the Crown.

Urhoe Waltterinen and Fintan na Coilled were each recognized with tokens of
Grand Master Bowman from Their Majesties.

Baroness Aleea Baga announced the winners of the Ulric Wulfricsson Memorial
Shoot for Charity, who would each receive a token of thanks for their
participation and donation: Denys the Decadent for highest score, the
Princess Royal Talia for youngest archer, Brad Boda for most generous and
Urho Waltterinen as chosen by Ulric's Lady, Katrina of York.

The most noble Order of the Pelican was called before the court. Mistress
Graidhne ni Ruaidh spoke on behalf of the Order to confirm the candidate in
question had sat vigil, received their council and begged Their Majesties to
elevate him to their ranks. THLord Egill the Dane was called to attend Their
Majesties while They heard the words of the Peerage. For the Order of the
Laurel Master Thorstein Ronnow spoke of what Egill had taught him about *nobles
oblige*. For the Order of Chivalry Duke Morguhn Sheridan recalled his
conversations with the candidate about chivalry and cordials. Her Grace,
Duchess Meirwen uerch Owein spoke of how his courtesy and hospitality has
inspired her as a Lady of the Rose. Master Charles O'Connor attested that
all these qualities and more were present within this man, and that he is
their Peer. Thus satisfied, His Majesty asked Egill if he would accept
elevation to the Order. Egill humbly replied that if it pleased Their
Majesties, he would. A cloak (by THLady Cameron Fitzrory) and medallion with
the symbol of the Order were presented to Master Egill along with the
ancestral medallion from Master Giles (scroll illum by Aerin Teine).

Their Majesties thanked the event attendees, the autocrat, her staff and the
archery marshals responsible for the challenging ranges.

Court was closed.

From Papag350 at cs.com  Tue May 13 23:33:37 2008
From: Papag350 at cs.com (Papag350 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:33:37 EDT
Subject: [SCA-AE] Lost at Wills Revenge
Message-ID: <bbb.28d7289d.355bb791@cs.com>

At Will's Revenge this weekend I left 2 scarves (one black, one blue, beaded, 
with peacocks on both) and a plastic bag with sheer paisley covered fabric on 
a table near the back of the feast hall. I left it by my friends feast gear, 
as they were hers I was returning.

Unfortunately, she says she didn't see them there. Has anyone seen these 
items? Maybe picked them up on accident? 

Banshee   

From williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 00:57:17 2008
From: williamfreskynmurray at yahoo.com (William Freskyn Murray)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Fwd: Pick-a-prize Raffle at AE War Practice
Message-ID: <429668.44880.qm@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good Evening Good Gentles,
 
Once again with the support of the Canton of
Steltonwald the Tribe of Tuatha Firen will be running
a Pick-a-prize Raffle at War Practice.  Lady
Fionnghuala will be arriving Thursday and will be in
the Barn Friday & Saturday displaying goods, selling
tickets and seperately of the raffle SELLING BOOKS (we
all now SCAdian's are book whores so come check out
what she has for sale!).  Proceeds from the raffle
will be donated to Their Majesties to assist them in
deferring travel expenses, they have a busy schedule
ahead and with gas costing what it does every little
bit will help!  
 
The Tribe provides the physical presence of selling
tickets, hauling stuff to and from the barn, etc but
we are always amazed at the generosity of the populace
 who are willing to donate items for either the raffle
itself or books for the book sale.  If you would like
to buy tickets or donate items Lady Fionnghuala or
another member of the Tribe will be in the barn (look
for the tables of "stuff" normally to your left when
you enter the barn and the Tribe banner a golden
torque on a red field).  The raffle itself will be
Sunday morning starting at 9 am and going until all
items are gone, hopefully finishing timely so as not
to interfere with Their Majesties Curia.  
 
Any questions feel free to email me off list
williamfreskynmurray (at) yahoo (dot) com.
 
in service
Will 
 
SKA William Freskyn Murray
MKA Will Carson
squire to Baron Sir Bedawyr of Avaricum
foster squire to Viscount Syr Alexander Caithnes of 
Wyk
Chieftain of the Tribe of Tuatha Firen
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From katla at zoominternet.net  Thu May  8 13:15:09 2008
From: katla at zoominternet.net (katla at zoominternet.net)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:15:09 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] AE War Practice Classes and Activities
Message-ID: <1103.1210266909@zoominternet.net>

 

	There will be dog related classes at War Practice!  I am pleased to
announce that HL Catrin of Meridies has graciously volunteered to
share her knowledge with us.  Please join us at the Canine Activities
Pavilion, Saturday, (between Troll and the battlefield) just look for
the dogs.  The class schedule is listed below.  Hope to see you
there! 
	Katla 
	10 am Pets in the SCA - Taught and researched by HL Catrin Skynith;
former 
 Houndsmistress of Meridies 
 11 am The Saluki - Persian Greyhound or Gazelle Hound 
 Taught and researched by HL Catrin Skynith; former Houndsmistress of

 Meridies 
 12 pm Viking dogs than and Now - Lady Katla Ulfhedinn 
 1 pm Veterniary Practices in Relationship to the Hunting Hound in
Medieval 
 Times Taught by HL Catrin Skynith researched by Mistress Rebecca
With 
 the Greyhound; former Houndsmistress of Meridi es 
 2 pm How the Greyhound was used in the Medieval Hunt 
 Taught by HL Catrin Skynith researched by Mistress Rebecca With 
 the Greyhound; former Houndsmistress of Meridies 
 3 pm Dog Collars an Anthology - Lady Katla Ulfhedinn 
 On Tue 05/ 6/08 9:36 AM , Diana Squicciarini sent:
 On Tue 05/ 6/08 10:36 AM , Krista Traini sent:
 I know we're all getting excited about Aethelmearc War Practice, May
15-18 (http://www.warpractice.steltonwald.org/). [1] The class and
non-martial activity list and schedule has been finalized!! A
complete list with descriptions and schedule will be posted to the
War Practice website in the next few days, but I thought I'd whet
your appetites with a short list now! And a great big THANK YOU to
all the teachers and facilitators! 
 ~Hilda 
 Arts & Sciences, Scribal Track 
 -Absolute Beginner Calligraphy: Bathhouse 1pm 
 -Beginning Calligraphy: Bathhouse 9am 
 -Cadels, Flourishes and Fancy Initials: Bathhouse 10am 
 -Dressing Up Your Letters-No Brush Required!: Bathhouse 2pm 
 -Scribal Playtime: Bathhouse 11am 
 Arts & Sciences, General 
 -A Gathering of Needleworkers: Bathhouse 3pm 
 -Bardic Coaching: A&S2 11am 
 -Beginning Drop Spinning: A&S3 Noon 
 -Brewers? Roundtable: A&S2 2pm 
 -Byzantine Field Tactics in the Tenth Century: A&S2 4pm 
 -Double Weave Tablet Weaving: A&S1 9am 
 -Early European Dance: Barn 10am 
 -Hound Coursing Classes: Hound Coursing Track, various times,
contact Katla for details 
 -Introduction to Near-Eastern Garb: A&S3 10am 
 -Late Period Beekeeping: A&S3 2pm 
 -Late Period German Costuming: A&S3 11am 
 -Making a Leather Bottle: A&S1 1pm 
 -Quill Pen Making: A&S1 11am 
 -The Housebook Style: Late 15th Century Clothing in Southern
Germany: A&S3 4pm 
 SCA Interest 
 -An Introduction to Reading Blazon: A&S1 2pm 
 -Event Finances: Before, During and After: A&S2 9am 
 -Frugal Feasts Roundtable: A&S3 1pm 
 -So You're Thinking of Becoming a Chirurgeon?: Bathhouse FRIDAY 5pm 
 -Songs of ?thelmearc: A&S2 3pm 
 Activities 
 -A&S Display/ Artists' Forum: Barn Noon to 2pm 
 -Dancing: Barn around 9 pm 
 -Heraldry Consult Table: Barn 11am - 4pm 
 -Royal Court: Barn 5:30 pm 
 -Pick-A-Prize Raffle: Fundraiser to benefit Their Majesties Travel
Expenses. Raffle occurs in Barn Sunday Morning 9am (Items on Display
on Saturday) 
 Meetings 
 -?thelmearc Chatelaines? Meeting: A&S2 1pm 
 -Millrind Meeting: A&S2 10am 
 -Curia: Barn Sunday 10am 
 Notes 
 - All classes are one hour and on Saturday unless otherwise noted 
 - Any gentle that would like to play with knitting can find Baroness
Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg any time Friday evening or
Saturday during the day. 
 -Lady Renata the Posh Rot will be collecting donations for Royal
Largesse at her place in the A&S Forum from noon to 2pm Saturday 
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From alaxandair at gmail.com  Wed May 14 10:01:28 2008
From: alaxandair at gmail.com (Alaxandair O'Conchobhair)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:01:28 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] War Practice - Thrown Weapons Championship
Message-ID: <b0da43e60805140701r49b5e2d3r8554f526835e3b19@mail.gmail.com>

Greets,

I wish to invite one and all to participate in the qualifier for the
Kingdom Thrown Weapons Championship.

The qualifier will be open from 12 PM --> roughly 2:30 PM, if you wish
to participate and are not able to qualify during that time please
contact me directly.

The finalists names will be posted at the range at 3 PM sharp, with
the finals to commence at 3:15 PM.

*** Schedule is subject to change, but this should be close.

THL Alaxandair O'Conchobhair
Kingdom of AEthelmearc Thrown Weapons Marshal

From katjaorlova at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 10:51:31 2008
From: katjaorlova at yahoo.com (Katja)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Frugal Feasts roundtable at AE War Practice
In-Reply-To: <1103.1210266909@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <241962.35041.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
   
  Are you concerned about the price of food and gas these days, and is this curbing how many events you attend or whether you stay onboard?  
   
  Do you find yourself more often bringing your own food to events because lunch isn't offered or there isn't enough?
   
  When planning an event lunch or dinner, how can you prepare a period meal that is filling, varied, and delicious -- while keeping it affordable so that people want to stay onboard?
   
  Sitting down to eat together is one of the cornerstones of the SCA -- let's not allow the economy to make this a thing of the past!
   
  I welcome all inquiring minds to participate in the Frugal Feasts roundtable Saturday at 1 p.m. in A&S3. Let's share ideas and tips, which can be distilled into a helpful article in the AEstel and/or TI.
   
  In Service,
   


Katja
   
  http://www.katjaorlova.com/MedFood.html 


From cetach at gmail.com  Wed May 14 12:51:52 2008
From: cetach at gmail.com (Ce'tach Fitzgibbon)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:51:52 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] War Practice Archery
Message-ID: <96f0cbe50805140951n3adbf8f4mc793fe60a475374b@mail.gmail.com>

 Greetings Archers of Aethelmearc,

Archery at War Practice will be open approximately 1:00PM on Friday until
dusk and 10:00AM on Saturday until just before court (weather permitting).
The range will be closed
for some time Saturday afternoon to hold the King's Archery Championship.

Those wishing to compete in the Championships must be subjects of the
Aethelmearc Crown and compete a qualifier that will be available all Friday
and
Saturday until 2PM. The qualifier may only be shot once for score.

Please see me or Baron Caleb Reynolds for more information.

Cetach Fitzgibbon
MIC War Practice Archery

From greenstein at earthlink.net  Wed May 14 18:48:07 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:48:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Bardic circle at AE War Practice
Message-ID: <14743959.1210805287789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Greetings, all, from Michael Alewright!  In case there isn't already enough to look forward to this weekend, please join us in the Bathhouse for the annual bardic circle on Saturday night at AEthelmearc War Practice.  We will begin dark-ish, and continue until exhaustion silences the last voice.

From taranach at gmail.com  Wed May 14 19:16:04 2008
From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:16:04 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [aebards] Bardic circle at AE War Practice
In-Reply-To: <14743959.1210805287789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14743959.1210805287789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <be53fda50805141616idb65697q15cba99fbb1cf38d@mail.gmail.com>

"Bardic Bathhouse after Dark".... Something just sounds wrong about
that... Will there be Bawdy songs as well? I leave it to your
imagination what the new moniker would be... <EG>
ROFL

Taranach

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Michael B. Greenstein
<greenstein at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Greetings, all, from Michael Alewright! In case there isn't already enough
> to look forward to this weekend, please join us in the Bathhouse for the
> annual bardic circle on Saturday night at AEthelmearc War Practice. We will
> begin dark-ish, and continue until exhaustion silences the last voice.

From mol.maria at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 19:32:08 2008
From: mol.maria at yahoo.com (Maria Christina de Cordoba)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:32:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
Message-ID: <605752.12698.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good evening,
   
  I will have the following gentles cards with me Sat, 9:30am - 12pm, at the list table.
   
  D J Weed
  Lindsey R Prial
  John M Shields
  Michael J Carroll
  Gregory Nascone
  Tyler A Goldberg
  Katryna Marvel and Garrett Gurnsey % Kate Gurnsey
   
  Those that are not retrieved will be mailed on Monday.
   
  IS,
    Maria
   
   


THL Maria Christina de Cordoba 
Kingdom MOL Deputy & Authorization Clerk 
Region 1 MOL 
MOL Webminister
       

From mol.maria at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 19:32:08 2008
From: mol.maria at yahoo.com (Maria Christina de Cordoba)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:32:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Authorization Cards
Message-ID: <605752.12698.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
Good evening,
   
  I will have the following gentles cards with me Sat, 9:30am - 12pm, at the list table.
   
  D J Weed
  Lindsey R Prial
  John M Shields
  Michael J Carroll
  Gregory Nascone
  Tyler A Goldberg
  Katryna Marvel and Garrett Gurnsey % Kate Gurnsey
   
  Those that are not retrieved will be mailed on Monday.
   
  IS,
    Maria
   
   


THL Maria Christina de Cordoba 
Kingdom MOL Deputy & Authorization Clerk 
Region 1 MOL 
MOL Webminister
       

From greenstein at earthlink.net  Wed May 14 19:37:55 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:37:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] [aebards] Bardic circle at AE War Practice
Message-ID: <14146784.1210808275620.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Will there be Bawdy songs as well? I leave it to your
>imagination what the new moniker would be... <EG>

... excessively alliterative?  8-)

- Michael



From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Wed May 14 19:42:35 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:42:35 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [aebards] Bardic circle at AE War Practice
In-Reply-To: <14146784.1210808275620.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14146784.1210808275620.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6E95B998-C316-41A1-9371-690661A5B417@rochester.rr.com>

Remarkably alliteratively Old Norse?  :)

On May 14, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:

>> Will there be Bawdy songs as well? I leave it to your
>> imagination what the new moniker would be... <EG>
>
> ... excessively alliterative?  8-)
>
> - Michael
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
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From mistresscynthia at verizon.net  Wed May 14 19:49:37 2008
From: mistresscynthia at verizon.net (mistresscynthia at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:49:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: From the Kingdom Exchequer
Message-ID: <12394424.94391210808977677.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
Greetings Citizens of AEthelmearc,
If you are an officer and are in need of a reimbursement, please see me 
before/after Court on Saturday or before/after Curia on Sunday.
Also for your reference the Balance Statement, Income Statement and 
Dedicated Funds documents for 2007 are on the AE Website under the 
office of Exchequer.  I will also have the checkbook and First Quarter 
Report and current Dedicated Funds list available for all those wishing 
to inspect them.
In Service,
Mistress Cynthia
AEthelmearc Exchequer

From taranach at gmail.com  Wed May 14 19:52:33 2008
From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:52:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [aebards] Bardic circle at AE War Practice
In-Reply-To: <6E95B998-C316-41A1-9371-690661A5B417@rochester.rr.com>
References: <14146784.1210808275620.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<6E95B998-C316-41A1-9371-690661A5B417@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <be53fda50805141652m7abb1185ue1845f37cb313693@mail.gmail.com>

You can guess the melody....

~~ That Old Norse Quaver ~
~~ That Old Norse Slaver ~
~~ They just keep invading, our shores.... ~~

~~ With swords a -thumpin' ~
~~ They keep on jumpin ~
~~ Right o'er our lines while at war.... ~

RD&L
Taranach

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Thomas Ireland-Delfs
<fridrikr at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> Remarkably alliteratively Old Norse?  :)
>
>  On May 14, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:
>
>  >> Will there be Bawdy songs as well? I leave it to your
>  >> imagination what the new moniker would be... <EG>
>  >
>  > ... excessively alliterative?  8-)
>  >
>  > - Michael

From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Wed May 14 19:57:36 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:57:36 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [aebards] Bardic circle at AE War Practice
In-Reply-To: <be53fda50805141652m7abb1185ue1845f37cb313693@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14146784.1210808275620.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<6E95B998-C316-41A1-9371-690661A5B417@rochester.rr.com>
	<be53fda50805141652m7abb1185ue1845f37cb313693@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B094E6D-1D55-460F-9C3C-D7A0B818E398@rochester.rr.com>

Ouch...you have cut me to the quick......

Guess I'll have to finish it, huh?


On May 14, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Taranach McLeod wrote:

> You can guess the melody....
>
> ~~ That Old Norse Quaver ~
> ~~ That Old Norse Slaver ~
> ~~ They just keep invading, our shores.... ~~
>
> ~~ With swords a -thumpin' ~
> ~~ They keep on jumpin ~
> ~~ Right o'er our lines while at war.... ~
>
> RD&L
> Taranach
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Thomas Ireland-Delfs
> <fridrikr at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> Remarkably alliteratively Old Norse?  :)
>>
>> On May 14, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:
>>
>>>> Will there be Bawdy songs as well? I leave it to your
>>>> imagination what the new moniker would be... <EG>
>>>
>>> ... excessively alliterative?  8-)
>>>
>>> - Michael
> _________________________________________________________________________
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From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Wed May 14 20:07:58 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:07:58 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [aebards] Bardic circle at AE War Practice
In-Reply-To: <be53fda50805141652m7abb1185ue1845f37cb313693@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14146784.1210808275620.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<6E95B998-C316-41A1-9371-690661A5B417@rochester.rr.com>
	<be53fda50805141652m7abb1185ue1845f37cb313693@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A50958E2-78CB-475B-A2FF-2E6910B706CB@rochester.rr.com>

As promised.... not all that long ago.......


(Verse)

Old Norse Slaver
That Old Norse Slaver
When he comes calling, we quake & quaver!
But he keep wading he keep invading, our shores....

(Bridge)

You & Me, we're both old monks,
we ain't no fighters, an'  we ain't no punks
Our backs are straining and our necks sore
But Old Man Viking loads us up with mooooorrrrre

(Verse & verse)

 From north of Denmark to south of Paree
There ain't no city that he won't harry!
With spears a jumping' , the Vikes keep thumping us more!~

With glee & a club!

FRIDRIKR


On May 14, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Taranach McLeod wrote:

> You can guess the melody....
>
> ~~ That Old Norse Quaver ~
> ~~ That Old Norse Slaver ~
> ~~ They just keep invading, our shores.... ~~
>
> ~~ With swords a -thumpin' ~
> ~~ They keep on jumpin ~
> ~~ Right o'er our lines while at war.... ~
>
> RD&L
> Taranach
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Thomas Ireland-Delfs
> <fridrikr at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> Remarkably alliteratively Old Norse?  :)
>>
>> On May 14, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:
>>
>>>> Will there be Bawdy songs as well? I leave it to your
>>>> imagination what the new moniker would be... <EG>
>>>
>>> ... excessively alliterative?  8-)
>>>
>>> - Michael
> _________________________________________________________________________
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> to the list.
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From jenn.strobel at gmail.com  Wed May 14 20:51:39 2008
From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:51:39 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Reminder: A&S Forum at War Practice
Message-ID: <2ae6b4a90805141751n2f283f36vd90a1a3a4ab82cf6@mail.gmail.com>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
To the Artisans and Scientists of the Kingdom of AEthelmearc does
Odriana vander Brugghe bid greetings.

This is a reminder that there will be an Artisan's Forum at War
Practice on Saturday, 17 May 2008.  The forum will take place in the
Barn from noon until 2:00 p.m.

An Artisan's Forum is an opportunity to share your artistic or
scientific passion with the subjects of the Kingdom in a
non-competitive environment.  It is also a wonderful opportunity to
meet other members of the A&S community from different parts of our
Kingdom.  Please, bring your works in progress, your completed works,
your documentation, or just what you're working on right now.
Performers, bring your instruments and share your musical talents.

This forum is not only for experienced artisans or scientists; this is
for everyone, at all levels of skill and knowledge.  The display
format allows you the ability to share your talent and knowledge
without the pressure of competition.  It also allows you to get
feedback, if you want it, in an environment of mutual support.

If you have any questions about the Artisans Forum, please send mail
to: wp.artisansforum at gmail.com.

Written this fourteenth day of May in the Barony Marche of the
Debatable Lands, by the banks of the Three Rivers, in the second year
of the Boy Mayor, Luke.

From c_m_dawson at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 20:52:25 2008
From: c_m_dawson at yahoo.com (Christopher dawson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:52:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
Message-ID: <726865.16791.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Greetings My Lady,

We spoke early on Saturday morn at Blackstone Raids.  

After getting my authorization taken done, you told me that the authorization cards that had been lingering for months were sent out the day before.

Unfortunately, I still have not received any authorization card.

Will I be able to get one at War Practice?

Thank you,
Lord Nikolai Bearslayer
AKA Chris Dawson

----- Original Message ----
From: Maria Christina de Cordoba <mol.maria at yahoo.com>
To: announcements at aethelmearc.org; discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:32:08 PM
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards

Good evening,
  
  I will have the following gentles cards with me Sat, 9:30am - 12pm, at the list table.
  
  D J Weed
  Lindsey R Prial
  John M Shields
  Michael J Carroll
  Gregory Nascone
  Tyler A Goldberg
  Katryna Marvel and Garrett Gurnsey % Kate Gurnsey
  
  Those that are not retrieved will be mailed on Monday.
  
  IS,
    Maria
  
  


THL Maria Christina de Cordoba 
Kingdom MOL Deputy & Authorization Clerk 
Region 1 MOL 
MOL Webminister
      
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_________________________________________________________________________



      

From c_m_dawson at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 20:54:20 2008
From: c_m_dawson at yahoo.com (Christopher dawson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
Message-ID: <236172.800.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

ACK!!!  Sorry for wasting the bandwidth... 

----- Original Message ----
From: Christopher dawson <c_m_dawson at yahoo.com>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:52:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards

Greetings My Lady,

We spoke early on Saturday morn at Blackstone Raids.  

After getting my authorization taken done, you told me that the authorization cards that had been lingering for months were sent out the day before.

Unfortunately, I still have not received any authorization card.

Will I be able to get one at War Practice?

Thank you,
Lord Nikolai Bearslayer
AKA Chris Dawson

----- Original Message ----
From: Maria Christina de Cordoba <mol.maria at yahoo.com>
To: announcements at aethelmearc.org; discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:32:08 PM
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards

Good evening,
  
  I will have the following gentles cards with me Sat, 9:30am - 12pm, at the list table.
  
  D J Weed
  Lindsey R Prial
  John M Shields
  Michael J Carroll
  Gregory Nascone
  Tyler A Goldberg
  Katryna Marvel and Garrett Gurnsey % Kate Gurnsey
  
  Those that are not retrieved will be mailed on Monday.
  
  IS,
    Maria
  
  


THL Maria Christina de Cordoba 
Kingdom MOL Deputy & Authorization Clerk 
Region 1 MOL 
MOL Webminister
      
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_________________________________________________________________________



      
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From syrfinn at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 21:01:22 2008
From: syrfinn at yahoo.com (Syrfinn)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:01:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
In-Reply-To: <726865.16791.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <716831.57324.qm@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kind of in same spot, redid my Auth card at Seige of Harlech Castle, on April 4th and still do not have my new card. 

Thanks
Finn


--- On Wed, 5/14/08, Christopher dawson <c_m_dawson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Christopher dawson <c_m_dawson at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 8:52 PM
> Greetings My Lady,
> 
> We spoke early on Saturday morn at Blackstone Raids.  
> 
> After getting my authorization taken done, you told me that
> the authorization cards that had been lingering for months
> were sent out the day before.
> 
> Unfortunately, I still have not received any authorization
> card.
> 
> Will I be able to get one at War Practice?
> 
> Thank you,
> Lord Nikolai Bearslayer
> AKA Chris Dawson
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Maria Christina de Cordoba
> <mol.maria at yahoo.com>
> To: announcements at aethelmearc.org;
> discussion at aethelmearc.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:32:08 PM
> Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
> 
> Good evening,
>   
>   I will have the following gentles cards with me Sat,
> 9:30am - 12pm, at the list table.
>   
>   D J Weed
>   Lindsey R Prial
>   John M Shields
>   Michael J Carroll
>   Gregory Nascone
>   Tyler A Goldberg
>   Katryna Marvel and Garrett Gurnsey % Kate Gurnsey
>   
>   Those that are not retrieved will be mailed on Monday.
>   
>   IS,
>     Maria
>   
>   
> 
> 
> THL Maria Christina de Cordoba 
> Kingdom MOL Deputy & Authorization Clerk 
> Region 1 MOL 
> MOL Webminister
>       
> _________________________________________________________________________
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> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org
> to post to the list.
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> for:
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> 
> 
> 
>       
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From bostonhahn at aol.com  Wed May 14 21:02:06 2008
From: bostonhahn at aol.com (bostonhahn at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:02:06 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers
In-Reply-To: <2ae6b4a90805141751n2f283f36vd90a1a3a4ab82cf6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ae6b4a90805141751n2f283f36vd90a1a3a4ab82cf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CA843E6D6B36E6-1670-1ADC@Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com>

Greetings  from Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg

Many years ago at a war practice Mistresss Michaele handed out linen 
napkins to be embroidered with a rose for Queen's tea at Pennsic hosted 
by our Queen.

This year at Pennsic our Queen again will host a tea.  Again it would 
be nice for her Majesty to have hand embroidered linen napkins.  
Baroness Roberta donated linen. I cut and hemmed napkins and I will 
have them at War Practice to be handed out to Aethelmearc Embroiderers. 
Please see me there and get a napkin to embroider.
Thank you all and see you there!

I remain in Service
Elisabeth


From taranach at gmail.com  Wed May 14 21:16:59 2008
From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:16:59 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [aebards] Bardic circle at AE War Practice
In-Reply-To: <A50958E2-78CB-475B-A2FF-2E6910B706CB@rochester.rr.com>
References: <14146784.1210808275620.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<6E95B998-C316-41A1-9371-690661A5B417@rochester.rr.com>
	<be53fda50805141652m7abb1185ue1845f37cb313693@mail.gmail.com>
	<A50958E2-78CB-475B-A2FF-2E6910B706CB@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <be53fda50805141816t790652e0ib8e4bb55b531b486@mail.gmail.com>

I am a-muse-d...

Taranach

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Thomas Ireland-Delfs
<fridrikr at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> As promised.... not all that long ago.......
>
>
>  (Verse)
>
>  Old Norse Slaver
>  That Old Norse Slaver
>  When he comes calling, we quake & quaver!
>  But he keep wading he keep invading, our shores....
>
>  (Bridge)
>
>  You & Me, we're both old monks,
>  we ain't no fighters, an'  we ain't no punks
>  Our backs are straining and our necks sore
>  But Old Man Viking loads us up with mooooorrrrre
>
>  (Verse & verse)
>
>   From north of Denmark to south of Paree
>  There ain't no city that he won't harry!
>  With spears a jumping' , the Vikes keep thumping us more!~
>
>  With glee & a club!
>
>  FRIDRIKR
>
>
>
>  On May 14, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Taranach McLeod wrote:
>
>
>
> > You can guess the melody....
>  >
>  > ~~ That Old Norse Quaver ~
>  > ~~ That Old Norse Slaver ~
>  > ~~ They just keep invading, our shores.... ~~
>  >
>  > ~~ With swords a -thumpin' ~
>  > ~~ They keep on jumpin ~
>  > ~~ Right o'er our lines while at war.... ~
>  >
>  > RD&L
>  > Taranach
>  >
>  > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Thomas Ireland-Delfs
>  > <fridrikr at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>  >> Remarkably alliteratively Old Norse?  :)
>  >>
>  >> On May 14, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>> Will there be Bawdy songs as well? I leave it to your
>  >>>> imagination what the new moniker would be... <EG>
>  >>>
>  >>> ... excessively alliterative?  8-)
>  >>>
>  >>> - Michael
>
>
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From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Wed May 14 22:21:41 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (Ruth Morrisson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:21:41 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers
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Greetings from Myfanwy!
Where are you going to be, and when?  My schedule is getting  
increasingly crazed, especially on Saturday.  I don't suppose I could  
talk you into stopping by at the Needleworkers gathering, could I?   
(Seems like a good place for that, since other people at the meeting  
might also be interested.)
On Wednesday, May 14, 2008, at 09:02  PM, bostonhahn at aol.com wrote:

> Greetings  from Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg
>
> Many years ago at a war practice Mistresss Michaele handed out linen
> napkins to be embroidered with a rose for Queen's tea at Pennsic hosted
> by our Queen.
>
> This year at Pennsic our Queen again will host a tea.  Again it would
> be nice for her Majesty to have hand embroidered linen napkins.
> Baroness Roberta donated linen. I cut and hemmed napkins and I will
> have them at War Practice to be handed out to Aethelmearc Embroiderers.
> Please see me there and get a napkin to embroider.
> Thank you all and see you there!
>
> I remain in Service
> Elisabeth
>
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From bostonhahn at aol.com  Wed May 14 22:40:33 2008
From: bostonhahn at aol.com (bostonhahn at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:40:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers
In-Reply-To: <A77BC500-2225-11DD-A684-000A95D8101E@nauticom.net>
Message-ID: <8CA844C2EF97896-8FC-7C2@MBLK-M24.sysops.aol.com>


Thank you for volunteering.  I was pkanning to stop by that meeting and 
I will bring the napkins and patterns withme!
Thanks again!
Elisabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: Ruth Morrisson <myfanwy at nauticom.net>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:21 pm
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers










Greetings from Myfanwy!
Where are you going to be, and when?  My schedule is getting
increasingly crazed, especially on Saturday.  I don't suppose I could
talk you into stopping by at the Needleworkers gathering, could I?
(Seems like a good place for that, since other people at the meeting
might also be interested.)
On Wednesday, May 14, 2008, at 09:02  PM, bostonhahn at aol.com wrote:

> Greetings  from Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg
>
> Many years ago at a war practice Mistresss Michaele handed out linen
> napkins to be embroidered with a rose for Queen's tea at Pennsic 
hosted
> by our Queen.
>
> This year at Pennsic our Queen again will host a tea.  Again it would
> be nice for her Majesty to have hand embroidered linen napkins.
> Baroness Roberta donated linen. I cut and hemmed napkins and I will
> have them at War Practice to be handed out to Aethelmearc 
Embroiderers.
> Please see me there and get a napkin to embroider.
> Thank you all and see you there!
>
> I remain in Service
> Elisabeth
>
> 
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From mol.maria at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 23:21:00 2008
From: mol.maria at yahoo.com (Maria Christina de Cordoba)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
In-Reply-To: <b0da43e60805142005g23d1d699o713ca780d43b5296@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579319.28314.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am sorry my lord, I have not received your paper work.
   
  Maria

  From: Syrfinn 
Date: May 14, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org


Kind of in same spot, redid my Auth card at Seige of Harlech Castle,
on April 4th and still do not have my new card.

Thanks
Finn




       

From syrfinn at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 23:29:34 2008
From: syrfinn at yahoo.com (Syrfinn)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:29:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
In-Reply-To: <579319.28314.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35127.75593.qm@web30104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lol, not surprised. This tends to happen everytime I have to reup my authorization. Paperwork always gets lost or never turned in, and I have to go directly to the KMOL, to get things straight. Will look ya up at War Practice. :)

Thanks
Syr Finn O'Shannon


--- On Wed, 5/14/08, Maria Christina de Cordoba <mol.maria at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Maria Christina de Cordoba <mol.maria at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 11:21 PM
> I am sorry my lord, I have not received your paper work.
>    
>   Maria
> 
>   From: Syrfinn 
> Date: May 14, 2008 9:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
> 
> 
> Kind of in same spot, redid my Auth card at Seige of
> Harlech Castle,
> on April 4th and still do not have my new card.
> 
> Thanks
> Finn
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com  Thu May 15 06:36:21 2008
From: SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com (FaCS)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:36:21 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] =?iso-8859-1?q?Wanted=3A__Embroiderers?=
References: <8CA844C2EF97896-8FC-7C2@MBLK-M24.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002301c8b677$844a1470$ad2e434a@pb1bf388cb68bb>

I can't make it to War Practice - will you also have them at the gather at 
the Ecademy?
Rowena

>
> Thank you for volunteering.  I was pkanning to stop by that meeting and
> I will bring the napkins and patterns withme!
> Thanks again!
> Elisabeth
>
> Greetings from Myfanwy!
> Where are you going to be, and when?  My schedule is getting
> increasingly crazed, especially on Saturday.  I don't suppose I could
> talk you into stopping by at the Needleworkers gathering, could I?
> (Seems like a good place for that, since other people at the meeting
> might also be interested.)
> On Wednesday, May 14, 2008, at 09:02  PM, bostonhahn at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Greetings  from Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg
>>
>> Many years ago at a war practice Mistresss Michaele handed out linen
>> napkins to be embroidered with a rose for Queen's tea at Pennsic
> hosted
>> by our Queen.
>>
>> This year at Pennsic our Queen again will host a tea.  Again it would
>> be nice for her Majesty to have hand embroidered linen napkins.
>> Baroness Roberta donated linen. I cut and hemmed napkins and I will
>> have them at War Practice to be handed out to Aethelmearc
> Embroiderers.
>> Please see me there and get a napkin to embroider.
>> Thank you all and see you there!
>>
>> I remain in Service
>> Elisabeth
>>


From irishros at hotmail.com  Thu May 15 17:13:10 2008
From: irishros at hotmail.com (Angie Kummer)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:13:10 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers
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References: <2ae6b4a90805141751n2f283f36vd90a1a3a4ab82cf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CA843E6D6B36E6-1670-1ADC@Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W5221337EC68BBA23558CABC8C90@phx.gbl>


Hi Baroness Elizabeth. It's been too long since I saw you last. :) 
 
I would love to help, but I'm not going to be at War Practice. If you could manage to get a napkin to someone from Port Oasis or Blackstone, that would be great. If you don't know people from here, you could check with Baroness Anna Eisenfaust and Baron Bataar Sogdo, and they can definitely point you in the right direction.
 
Thanks again, this sounds like a fun project!
 
Ros O'DonnellYou need to know what Sibel Edmonds knows.www.justacitizen.comwww.letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com  > To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:02:06 -0400> From: bostonhahn at aol.com> Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers> > Greetings from Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg> > Many years ago at a war practice Mistresss Michaele handed out linen > napkins to be embroidered with a rose for Queen's tea at Pennsic hosted > by our Queen.> > This year at Pennsic our Queen again will host a tea. Again it would > be nice for her Majesty to have hand embroidered linen napkins. > Baroness Roberta donated linen. I cut and hemmed napkins and I will > have them at War Practice to be handed out to Aethelmearc Embroiderers. > Please see me there and get a napkin to embroider.> Thank you all and see you there!> > I remain in Service> Elisabeth> > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From Papag350 at cs.com  Thu May 15 17:28:18 2008
From: Papag350 at cs.com (Papag350 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:28:18 EDT
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers
Message-ID: <c79.32839f9b.355e04f2@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/15/08 6:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com writes: 
> I can't make it to War Practice - will you also have them at the gather at 
> the Ecademy?
> Rowena
> 
Ditto here, not attending War Practice...but would love to participate in the 
embroidery project (since I AM teaching an embroidery class at AEcademy, if 
it gets scheduled)  So I will be at that event...

-Barbary Rose-   

From bostonhahn at aol.com  Thu May 15 19:11:57 2008
From: bostonhahn at aol.com (bostonhahn at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:11:57 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers
In-Reply-To: <c79.32839f9b.355e04f2@cs.com>
References: <c79.32839f9b.355e04f2@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8CA84F8350ACCC8-1434-21B9@WEBMAIL-MC16.sysops.aol.com>

Rowena, Barbary Rose and everyoe else:
Thank you so very much for volunteering.  I will have Napkins to be 
embroidered at War Practice.  If I can find someone to carry some of 
the napkins to Endless Hills, or Coppertree I will send some.  I will 
also bring some to Aecademy.  Thank you all so very much for 
participating in this project!
Elisabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: Papag350 at cs.com
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers



In a message dated 5/15/08 6:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com writes:
> I can't make it to War Practice - will you also have them at the 
gather at
> the Ecademy?
> Rowena
>
Ditto here, not attending War Practice...but would love to participate 
in the
embroidery project (since I AM teaching an embroidery class at 
AEcademy, if
it gets scheduled)  So I will be at that event...

-Barbary Rose-
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From donnamac456 at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 19:14:56 2008
From: donnamac456 at yahoo.com (Donna MacTavish)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers
In-Reply-To: <c79.32839f9b.355e04f2@cs.com>
Message-ID: <397969.69647.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm planning on go tomorrow am. I could pick up a couple and drop them off to you at Melee madness if you plan on being there. I'd love to do one but I haven't got the time myself.
  I'll check my messages by 7 am or you can call me on my cell 607 597 9757 and let me know how many i need to pick up....
   
  Cristina

Papag350 at cs.com wrote:
  In a message dated 5/15/08 6:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com writes: 
> I can't make it to War Practice - will you also have them at the gather at 
> the Ecademy?
> Rowena
> 
Ditto here, not attending War Practice...but would love to participate in the 
embroidery project (since I AM teaching an embroidery class at AEcademy, if 
it gets scheduled) So I will be at that event...

-Barbary Rose- 
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From LadyDeianeira at att.net  Thu May 15 19:17:53 2008
From: LadyDeianeira at att.net (Lady Deianeira)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:17:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted:  Embroiderers
References: <c79.32839f9b.355e04f2@cs.com>
	<8CA84F8350ACCC8-1434-21B9@WEBMAIL-MC16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <020601c8b6e1$ed8321b0$c700a8c0@AVALON>

We do have Melee Madness here in 2 weeks.. if all else fails.. maybe they 
can be delivered then?

Lady Dei



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bostonhahn at aol.com>
To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers


> Rowena, Barbary Rose and everyoe else:
> Thank you so very much for volunteering.  I will have Napkins to be
> embroidered at War Practice.  If I can find someone to carry some of
> the napkins to Endless Hills, or Coppertree I will send some.  I will
> also bring some to Aecademy.  Thank you all so very much for
> participating in this project!
> Elisabeth


From cat.the.elf at gmail.com  Thu May 15 19:37:10 2008
From: cat.the.elf at gmail.com (Linda Ullman)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:37:10 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers
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References: <c79.32839f9b.355e04f2@cs.com>
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Message-ID: <c58334fb0805151637x3b5b0f39ua673c3bcfd7b46bd@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to look at them, perhaps they are not beyond my
capabilities.  Our teenager may also be interested.

Cat

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Lady Deianeira <LadyDeianeira at att.net> wrote:
> We do have Melee Madness here in 2 weeks.. if all else fails.. maybe they
> can be delivered then?
>
> Lady Dei
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bostonhahn at aol.com>
> To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers
>
>
>> Rowena, Barbary Rose and everyoe else:
>> Thank you so very much for volunteering.  I will have Napkins to be
>> embroidered at War Practice.  If I can find someone to carry some of
>> the napkins to Endless Hills, or Coppertree I will send some.  I will
>> also bring some to Aecademy.  Thank you all so very much for
>> participating in this project!
>> Elisabeth
>
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From bostonhahn at aol.com  Thu May 15 20:40:22 2008
From: bostonhahn at aol.com (bostonhahn at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:40:22 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers
In-Reply-To: <c58334fb0805151637x3b5b0f39ua673c3bcfd7b46bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c79.32839f9b.355e04f2@cs.com>	<8CA84F8350ACCC8-1434-21B9@WEBMAIL-MC16.sysops.aol.com>	<020601c8b6e1$ed8321b0$c700a8c0@AVALON>
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Thank you!  Find me at War Practice, please!  I should arrve sometime 
late Friday afternoon.  I will be staying with Mistress Margaret!  
Thanks again Everyone!!!!!
Elisabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Ullman <cat.the.elf at gmail.com>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers



I would like to look at them, perhaps they are not beyond my
capabilities.  Our teenager may also be interested.

Cat

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Lady Deianeira <LadyDeianeira at att.net> 
wrote:
> We do have Melee Madness here in 2 weeks.. if all else fails.. maybe 
they
> can be delivered then?
>
> Lady Dei
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bostonhahn at aol.com>
> To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers
>
>
>> Rowena, Barbary Rose and everyoe else:
>> Thank you so very much for volunteering.  I will have Napkins to be
>> embroidered at War Practice.  If I can find someone to carry some of
>> the napkins to Endless Hills, or Coppertree I will send some.  I will
>> also bring some to Aecademy.  Thank you all so very much for
>> participating in this project!
>> Elisabeth
>
> 
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From mistresscynthia at verizon.net  Fri May 16 08:20:44 2008
From: mistresscynthia at verizon.net (mistresscynthia at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:20:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: From the Kingdom Exchequer
Message-ID: <16380236.669101210940444332.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

DUE TO MUNDANE REASONS, I WILL NOT BE AT WAR PRACTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mistress Cynthia
AEthelmearc Exchequer


On Wed, May 14, 2008 at  7:49 PM, mistresscynthia at verizon.net wrote:

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From maricelt at gmail.com  Fri May 16 08:40:40 2008
From: maricelt at gmail.com (Marie Stewart)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:40:40 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Wanted: Embroiderers
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	<397969.69647.qm@web35307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi Cristina... If you could pick one up for me I'd be appreciative.
I'm not heading to War Practice.   Thank you very much.   Bridgette

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Donna MacTavish <donnamac456 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm planning on go tomorrow am. I could pick up a couple and drop them off to you at Melee madness if you plan on being there. I'd love to do one but I haven't got the time myself.
>  I'll check my messages by 7 am or you can call me on my cell 607 597 9757 and let me know how many i need to pick up....
>
>  Cristina
>

From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net  Sat May 17 13:27:22 2008
From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 13:27:22 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
Message-ID: <002701c8b843$4a8a5b00$1001a8c0@otter>

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org]
On Behalf Of Sally Burnell
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:15 AM
To: sca-middle at midrealm.org
Subject: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa

 

Posted today on LegioDraconis.com:

To to the populace of the Middle Kingdom, We write this missive with a heavy
heart. As of last night the BOD has terminated our reign. During the period
when Tessa was recovering from her shattered elbow and surgery, we had a
hard time juggling personal life and SCA life. Our membership renewal was
lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had lapsed
for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic termination. We
are very sorry for any hurt or pain this may cause to the populace of the
Middle Kingdom. 

Our kingdom is the best in the knowne world due to it's populace. We
appreciate the support that we were given. It was truly incredible. We hope
that everyone will give the same support to our successors no matter who
they might be.

Tessa & Lutr

From: "Sally Burnell" +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ to unsubscribe,
send a message to `~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~` majordomo at midrealm.org
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From taranach at gmail.com  Sat May 17 19:43:33 2008
From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 19:43:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <002701c8b843$4a8a5b00$1001a8c0@otter>
References: <002701c8b843$4a8a5b00$1001a8c0@otter>
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That is freaking disgusting! I pray that nothing happens to our
illustrious BOD that puts them into a similar situation where *THEY*
will get terminated.... I can't think of a descriptive term horrible
enough for this kind of crass meanness... why wasn't there even a
warning?

Taranach

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:27 PM, FRANK BENZ <ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org]
> On Behalf Of Sally Burnell
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:15 AM
> To: sca-middle at midrealm.org
> Subject: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
>
>
>
> Posted today on LegioDraconis.com:
>
> To to the populace of the Middle Kingdom, We write this missive with a heavy
> heart. As of last night the BOD has terminated our reign. During the period
> when Tessa was recovering from her shattered elbow and surgery, we had a
> hard time juggling personal life and SCA life. Our membership renewal was
> lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had lapsed
> for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic termination. We
> are very sorry for any hurt or pain this may cause to the populace of the
> Middle Kingdom.
>
> Our kingdom is the best in the knowne world due to it's populace. We
> appreciate the support that we were given. It was truly incredible. We hope
> that everyone will give the same support to our successors no matter who
> they might be.
>
> Tessa & Lutr
>
> From: "Sally Burnell" +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ to unsubscribe,
> send a message to `~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~` majordomo at midrealm.org
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From jbastian at atlanticbb.net  Sat May 17 20:16:40 2008
From: jbastian at atlanticbb.net (Jennifer L. Bastian)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:16:40 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Crown Tourney
Message-ID: <006301c8b87c$7352a270$7b01a8c0@ANDERSON>

 Forwarded from the Middlebridge list.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org]
On Behalf Of Reed Harrig
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:10 PM
To: sca-middle at midrealm.org
Subject: [Mid] Crown Tourney

Greetings unto the Noble Populace of the Midrealm from Duke Palymar of the
Two Baronies, Regent of the Midrealm,

In the past few days, we have witnessed many fine examples noblesse oblige,
as people have lent their voice in support of friend and Kingdom. In an
effort to ensure the succession of the Royal lineage, and with support of
the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc., an ad hoc Crown tournament will be
held on Sunday, May 26, at 10 am., prior to the already published and
announced tournament.
 
This tournament will be open to Sir Lutr Ulfskjald and those combatants and
consorts who are found to be acceptable to the Regent. 

Following the conclusion of this tournament, the victor will immediately be
Crowned King and Queen of the Midrealm and the previously advertised Crown
tournament will commence as scheduled. 

Complete details will be posted on the Crown Tourney website in the near
future.

Thank you all for your patience and understanding during this unprecedented
occasion in the Midrealm,

In Service,
Duke Palymar of the Two Baronies
Regent of the Midrealm



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From elady1 at suddenlink.net  Sat May 17 20:47:04 2008
From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:47:04 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <be53fda50805171643l8c21684jb29a2f65627f71f2@mail.gmail.com
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It is a rather long and involved explanation. However, from what I 
have gathered on the midrealm list, they are having an Ad-Hoc tourney 
the same day as the scheduled Crown Tourney and anyone the regents 
feel suitable and their consorts may fight Lutr for the crown.  It is 
said that those who will oppose him in name, will be in name only. 
They will abdicate the field, Lutr will once again be given his 
rightful reign with his lovely wife and that will be that.  We'll 
see. It seems the entire kingdom is up in arms about it and has 
agreed to do this with the sanction of the BOD.

In Service

Erzebet
Blackstone Mountain
Aethelmearc


At 07:43 PM 5/17/2008, you wrote:
>That is freaking disgusting! I pray that nothing happens to our
>illustrious BOD that puts them into a similar situation where *THEY*
>will get terminated.... I can't think of a descriptive term horrible
>enough for this kind of crass meanness... why wasn't there even a
>warning?
>
>Taranach
>
>On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:27 PM, FRANK BENZ <ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org]
> > On Behalf Of Sally Burnell
> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:15 AM
> > To: sca-middle at midrealm.org
> > Subject: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
> >
> >
> >
> > Posted today on LegioDraconis.com:
> >
> > To to the populace of the Middle Kingdom, We write this missive 
> with a heavy
> > heart. As of last night the BOD has terminated our reign. During the period
> > when Tessa was recovering from her shattered elbow and surgery, we had a
> > hard time juggling personal life and SCA life. Our membership renewal was
> > lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had lapsed
> > for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic termination. We
> > are very sorry for any hurt or pain this may cause to the populace of the
> > Middle Kingdom.
> >
> > Our kingdom is the best in the knowne world due to it's populace. We
> > appreciate the support that we were given. It was truly incredible. We hope
> > that everyone will give the same support to our successors no matter who
> > they might be.
> >
> > Tessa & Lutr
> >
> > From: "Sally Burnell" +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ to unsubscribe,
> > send a message to `~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~` majordomo at midrealm.org
> > with . | | | | | | | | 'unsubscribe sca-middle' as its body.
> >
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*Note new email:  elady1 at suddenlink.net*

Liz/Erzebet/Midge

"Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake 
in the day to find out it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are 
dangerous, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."
T. E. Lawrence - Lawrence of Arabia 


From greenstein at earthlink.net  Sun May 18 02:53:13 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 02:53:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
Message-ID: <14551682.1211093593323.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Our membership renewal was
>lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had lapsed
>for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic termination.

This is one of the more revolting examples of form over substance that I have encountered.  Once again, the tail attempts to wag the dog.

I sincerely hope that no one has the opportunistic chutzpah to step forward to replace Their Majesties of the Middle, in show of the kind of solidarity that makes us worthy to be called a Society.  If, on the other hand, the Midrealm sits still and lets a California corporation deprive it of its monarchs, does it deserve better?

I would like to think that if this happened to AEthelmearc, our Kingdom as a body would offer constructive suggestions concerning which BoDily orifice might best hold such a decree.

Does anyone else start to wonder whether the BoD might just be getting a bit big for its britches?

- Michael

From kihebard at hotmail.com  Sun May 18 04:45:05 2008
From: kihebard at hotmail.com (Mike C. Baker)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:45:05 -0500
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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> >Our membership renewal was
> >lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had 
> >lapsed for 3 days. According to Corpora, that leads to an 
> automatic termination.
> 
> This is one of the more revolting examples of form over 
> substance that I have encountered.  Once again, the tail 
> attempts to wag the dog.
> 
> I sincerely hope that no one has the opportunistic chutzpah 
> to step forward to replace Their Majesties of the Middle, in 
> show of the kind of solidarity that makes us worthy to be 
> called a Society.  If, on the other hand, the Midrealm sits 
> still and lets a California corporation deprive it of its 
> monarchs, does it deserve better?
> 
> I would like to think that if this happened to AEthelmearc, 
> our Kingdom as a body would offer constructive suggestions 
> concerning which BoDily orifice might best hold such a decree.
> 
> Does anyone else start to wonder whether the BoD might just 
> be getting a bit big for its britches?
> 
> - Michael


Michael (et al.), I've been watching this off and on since the news
"broke" on the Middlebridge earlier.  The later developments seem to
indicate that there will have to be at least one "active" opponent
during the Ad Hoc Midrealm Crown to be fought at 10AM on Saturday next
(May 24) or, under Corpora, the results could be once again invalidated
(cf. the clause regarding the expectation for a "contested" Crown
Tourney).

What this is *really* beginning to remind me of is standing witness when
the original imposition of the NMS was declared back in '94 or so -- and
watching the artfully presented declarations by Duke Inman in court at
Steppes Warlord, here in Ansteorra, following (leading up to?) the
Estrella Compact.  

One solid part of that memory should still be stored carefully against
need, one place or another, in the nature of new words for old songs,
and this new development might even trigger a whole new round of verses.

(VERY rough first draft, two "new" verses to old music ["Rising of the
Moon" / "Rising of the Star"] ... 
 Still noodling for an appropriate variation to use as a chorus...)
	Ah, the Midrealm folk now tell us they've had an edict from afar
	Their Crown's mail was "misplaced" or "lost", Gus -- We have
heard that tale before.
	The BoD's decree is "Abdicate!", and the Regent's Palymar.
	Do I hear a pounded anvil ringing, underneath a Unique Star...

	We're the folk of all the SCA, from ten thousand different
bands,
	And we know there's rules to keep us safe from over-heavy hands
	But some rules too tight interpreted raise alarm bells here and
thar,
	I'll bet some bards will soon be singing, underneath that Unique
Star...

(Eh, what did you expect from a scratchy-eyed bard with too little sleep
at 3AM?  <VBEG>)

INTERJECTION:  In fairness to the BoD, every indication is that they
*are* working with the Midrealm to address the issues involved, and the
Ad-Hoc / Fill-In Crown Tourney for the Midrealm is one outgrowth of
that.  Reading between the lines, I also note that some other revisions
of policies, practices, and admonitions to Crown Tourney participants
(and potential Consorts) will all emerge from this.  I have never myself
had a membership renewal completely disappear, but apparently there are
some who have had it happen multiple times if sent via USPS mail.  For
any who are busily drafting letters of comment or indignation to be sent
to the Board of Directors of SCA, Inc., I would strongly encourage you
to take into account the whole story (go find the Middlebridge archives,
etc.), your own past experiences with the Office of the Registry, and
the modern alternatives now available.

Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe

Mike C. Baker
SCA: (al-Sayyid) Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra, F.O.B, OSCA
"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC (the DreamSinger Bard)
Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em
alt. e-mail: KiheBard at hotmail.com  OR MikeCBaker at verizon.net
   Buy my writings!:   http://www.lulu.com/WizardsDen
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From arhylda at aol.com  Sun May 18 09:01:55 2008
From: arhylda at aol.com (arhylda at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:01:55 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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The laws are very clear about membership requirements for Royals, and we have seen incidents before where that law had to be invoked.








    
I am wondering where the Kingdom Seneschal was in all of this. Don't they check memberships before Crown? 

I would think the K.S. would have kept an eye on the Royals' membership due dates.
And of course, an immediate membership is available if you renew online, so it could have been taken care of before getting to this point.









            
I also think that dissing the BOD on this one takes away from Their Former Majesties' laudable conduct,
particularly in taking responsibility for their own actions.
 


Kudos to them, the Midrealm for rallying behind them, and the Soc. Seneschal, the BOD and Duke Palymar for finding a solution that keeps the law intact and helps the Middle to move forward.   
Maria A.S.



[( Forany who are busily drafting letters of comment or indignation to be sent
to the Board of Directors of SCA, Inc., I would strongly encourage you
to take into account the whole story (go find the Middlebridge archives,
etc.), your own past experiences with the Office of the Registry, and
the modern alternatives now available.

Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe

Mike C. Baker
SCA: (al-Sayyid) Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra, F.O.B, OSCA
"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC (the DreamSinger Bard)
Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em
alt. e-mail: KiheBard at hotmail.com  OR MikeCBaker at verizon.net
   Buy my writings!:   http://www.lulu.com/WizardsDen
http://wizardsdenblogedition.blogspot.com/
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kihebard/]





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From hawkhill at frontiernet.net  Sun May 18 09:52:29 2008
From: hawkhill at frontiernet.net (hawkhill at frontiernet.net)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:52:29 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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> An interesting observation, (one which I have long lamented) Is that  
> paid members of the SCA have *NO* voting rights or power to  
> influence the BOD. We cannot elect or remove members of the BOD, nor  
> vote on policy or rules changes.

This is unusual. In every other organization of which I am a  
due-paying member, I am entitled to vote on officers and  
changes/amendements to laws and policys.

I have never heard of another organization in which a paid member has  
absolutely no ability to influence the organization.

I feel this is a serious flaw in the SCA Inc. structure, and is a  
cause of much dissatisfaction.

-Brianna


From m.coriale at verizon.net  Sun May 18 12:38:57 2008
From: m.coriale at verizon.net (Megan Coriale)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:38:57 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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Lady your response to this issue has caused me to throw off the cloak of
lurking that I normally wear. I believe that this issue is not one of who is
right and who is wrong (not that your response tried to make it seem that
way). It would appear to be one of real life taking precedence over our
"game" and a set of rules that we have in place to ensure the consistency of
said "game."

Their Majesties of the Midrealm were going through a tough time and their
membership lapsed. I'd be willing to bet that the Kingdom Seneschal did know
when their membership was going to lapse and was probably in contact with
them to ensure that they renew. I can guess (although I don't know) that if
it is the Kingdom Seneschal's duty to keep tabs on such things, s/he most
likely did. The BoD is required to immediately terminate their reign. They
certainly did their job. It is a bad situation from the start and it's only
being made worse by "dissing" the BoD or anyone else involved. Mistakes
happen, real life happens and sometimes it just plain sucks. 

I feel for Their (former, soon to be current again) Majesties of the
Midrealm. I've never served as a Kingdom official, I've only held local
offices, but I can imagine the angst TRM must feel towards the BoD right
now. What must be remembered is that they are only doing the job that we
created them for. We, the Populace, nominated the members of the Board so
some of us must have faith in them. Was the BoD being mean? No more so than
the police officer that pulls you over for exceeding the speed limit. You
might feel, from your point of view, that it's mean but the fact of the
matter is that rules were set in place for a reason and actions must be
taken when those rules are broken. 

I would hope that in later years, if such situations ever come up again,
they might be handled differently. I also hope sincerely that no one truly
challenges Sir Lutr and that he and his Lady wife may resume where they left
off (is it okay to "take a fall" in Crown?). 

Lady Brianna mentioned that we do not/cannot vote on these issues. Would it
be nice? Yes. Practical? Not really. I do not know the current membership of
the Society, but think how difficult it would be to get a vote from
everyone. The most efficient way to handle such things would be to create
new offices at least at the Kingdom level, probably for Baronies as well,
that would handle such votes. And how would we handle the actual voting?
Believe it or not, not everyone has 24x7 access to a computer so it wouldn't
be prudent to do it electronically. But think of all the paper work involved
with a paper vote. Would the groups have to hold special meetings for each
vote? Which issues would the Populace be allowed to vote on? Representatives
in the BoD, tally officials, chads, voting machines....
	
Yours in service,
Lady Meg the Mad!!! 

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[mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of
arhylda at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:02 AM
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa

The laws are very clear about membership requirements for Royals, and we
have seen incidents before where that law had to be invoked.
    
I am wondering where the Kingdom Seneschal was in all of this. Don't they
check memberships before Crown? 

I would think the K.S. would have kept an eye on the Royals' membership due
dates.
And of course, an immediate membership is available if you renew online, so
it could have been taken care of before getting to this point.
            
I also think that dissing the BOD on this one takes away from Their Former
Majesties' laudable conduct,
particularly in taking responsibility for their own actions.

Kudos to them, the Midrealm for rallying behind them, and the Soc.
Seneschal, the BOD and Duke Palymar for finding a solution that keeps the
law intact and helps the Middle to move forward.   
Maria A.S.

[( Forany who are busily drafting letters of comment or indignation to be
sent
to the Board of Directors of SCA, Inc., I would strongly encourage you
to take into account the whole story (go find the Middlebridge archives,
etc.), your own past experiences with the Office of the Registry, and
the modern alternatives now available.

Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe

Mike C. Baker
SCA: (al-Sayyid) Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra, F.O.B, OSCA
"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC (the DreamSinger Bard)
Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em
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From yngvar at faerhaga.org  Mon May 19 08:54:14 2008
From: yngvar at faerhaga.org (Yngvar the Dismal)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:54:14 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Announcements] Concerning the Crown of the Middle
	Kingdom-
Message-ID: <200805191254.m4JCsPmJ025534@mx2.andrew.cmu.edu>



-----Original Message-----
From: hsimon at director.sca.org
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:27 AM
To: announcements at sca.org
Subject: [Announcements] Concerning the Crown of the Middle Kingdom-

Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.

For Immediate Release ? 5/19/08

FROM THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS

The invalidation of the reign of Middle Kingdom Crown and Consort Lutr and
Tessa is one which has had ramifications across Kingdom borders and has
emotionally affected many of our members.  This action, though
unfortunate, was necessary and was not made without serious deliberation.

There are a numbers of factors which the Board Members must take into
consideration when faced with a situation such as occurred in the Middle
Kingdom ? Corpora and the organization?s history and precedent.  The rules
in the governing documents of the SCA requiring current, valid memberships
for all Crowns and Consorts for the duration of their reigns are clear and
concise.  Likewise, precedent has been set in previous similar occurrences
stretching back over twenty-five years.  In each case, the penalty for
such a lapse, regardless of cause, has been the same.

Please rest assured that the awards granted and honors given by Lutr and
Tessa during their time on the thrones of the Middle Kingdom remain valid.
 The actions of the Board of Directors do not negate these awards.

The Board invites comments from the populace on how such unfortunate
situations could be avoided in the future.  Questions, suggestions and
comments can be sent to comments at sca.org.

Hal Simon
Chairman, Board of Directors
Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.




Comments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to: 
SCA Inc.
Box 360789
Milpitas,  CA 95036

You may also email comments at lists.sca.org.

This announcement is an official informational release by the Society for Creative Anachronism , Inc.  Permission is granted to reproduce this announcement in its entirety in newsletters, websites and electronic mailing lists

From cetach at gmail.com  Mon May 19 09:02:46 2008
From: cetach at gmail.com (Ce'tach Fitzgibbon)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:02:46 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Archery Practice at Cetach's
Message-ID: <96f0cbe50805190602h4ece8508x7482f0f27131f20b@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Archers of Stelton Wald, Hunter's Home and those from Aethelmearc
in our area,

I will start hosting Archery Practices in my yard starting this week.
Practice will be Thursdays from 6:00 until we get tired of shooting. As
always, this is weather permitting.

All are welcome, novice and skilled alike. I have some loaner equipment and
we have a new backdrop to help avoid those pesky lost arrows in the grass.
I'm even willing to give crossbow lessons to anyone interested in coming to
the dark side. I have enough room for royal rounds and even some shooting as
long as 60 yards.

I am in Ellwood City Pennsylvania, which is just south of New Castle and
about 15 to 20 minutes from Cooper's Lake where Pennsic is held. We're about
an hour North of Pittsburgh and about 10 minutes off of Exit 13 on the
Turnpike.

Google Maps has pretty good directions. We're at 507 Harding Street, Ellwood
City, Pa 16117. My phone number is 724-462-4806 if you get lost.

Hope to see many of you there,

Cetach Fitzgibbon

From KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net  Mon May 19 12:08:56 2008
From: KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net (KaziBrionSCA)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:08:56 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <be53fda50805171643l8c21684jb29a2f65627f71f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002701c8b843$4a8a5b00$1001a8c0@otter>
	<be53fda50805171643l8c21684jb29a2f65627f71f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DF2B1D697F74F61A9CE242CB7B797BA@HomeOffice>

 
<<That is freaking disgusting! I pray that nothing happens to our
illustrious BOD that puts them into a similar situation where *THEY*
will get terminated.... I can't think of a descriptive term horrible
enough for this kind of crass meanness... why wasn't there even a
warning?

Taranach>>


Sadly, this doesn't surprise me at all in light of the isses Brion has been
discussing with the marshallate.  Their current interpretation is that "if
something is not explicitly permitted, it may or may not be fobidded, at the
discretion of the marshall in charge".  Thus, Brion lost his autorization
for a year based on an "unwritten rule" he "broke".  And the "unwritten
rule" changed like sand underfoot at high tide with every argument
presented.  It's kind of like being labeled a terrorist in the real life and
being shipped off to Guantanamo without your family knowing whatever
happened to you, and not being told why.  There is no due process in the SCA
as we used to know it in the USA.  Why do you expect the BOD to act better
in a case where there was an actual breach of written rules, even if that
breach should be pinned on the US Post Office?  

Kazi



On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:27 PM, FRANK BENZ <ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>
> From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org]
> On Behalf Of Sally Burnell
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:15 AM
> To: sca-middle at midrealm.org
> Subject: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
>
>
>
> Posted today on LegioDraconis.com:
>
> To to the populace of the Middle Kingdom, We write this missive with a
heavy
> heart. As of last night the BOD has terminated our reign. During the
period
> when Tessa was recovering from her shattered elbow and surgery, we had a
> hard time juggling personal life and SCA life. Our membership renewal was
> lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had lapsed
> for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic termination.
We
> are very sorry for any hurt or pain this may cause to the populace of the
> Middle Kingdom.
>
> Our kingdom is the best in the knowne world due to it's populace. We
> appreciate the support that we were given. It was truly incredible. We
hope
> that everyone will give the same support to our successors no matter who
> they might be.
>
> Tessa & Lutr
>
> From: "Sally Burnell" +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ to
unsubscribe,
> send a message to `~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~` majordomo at midrealm.org
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From jfkyle at gmail.com  Mon May 19 12:32:27 2008
From: jfkyle at gmail.com (john kyle)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:32:27 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <002701c8b843$4a8a5b00$1001a8c0@otter>
References: <002701c8b843$4a8a5b00$1001a8c0@otter>
Message-ID: <dd684d40805190932n54c2400cuba87a01918d7bbdf@mail.gmail.com>

i would hope each participant in the previous crown tourney enter the list
to be struck and yield to the rightful king.


On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:27 PM, FRANK BENZ <ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

>
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org]
> On Behalf Of Sally Burnell
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:15 AM
> To: sca-middle at midrealm.org
> Subject: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
>
>
>
> Posted today on LegioDraconis.com:
>
> To to the populace of the Middle Kingdom, We write this missive with a
> heavy
> heart. As of last night the BOD has terminated our reign. During the period
> when Tessa was recovering from her shattered elbow and surgery, we had a
> hard time juggling personal life and SCA life. Our membership renewal was
> lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had lapsed
> for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic termination. We
> are very sorry for any hurt or pain this may cause to the populace of the
> Middle Kingdom.
>
> Our kingdom is the best in the knowne world due to it's populace. We
> appreciate the support that we were given. It was truly incredible. We hope
> that everyone will give the same support to our successors no matter who
> they might be.
>
> Tessa & Lutr
>
> From: "Sally Burnell" +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ to unsubscribe,
> send a message to `~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~`~-, ,-~` majordomo at midrealm.org
> with . | | | | | | | | 'unsubscribe sca-middle' as its body.
>
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From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Mon May 19 12:59:55 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (fridrikr at rochester.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:59:55 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
Message-ID: <32288999.336191211216395663.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web01-z02>

Please, all, read the posting that His Excellency, Earl Yngvar, forwarded this morning.  This was not an interpretation of an unwritten rule.  This was a clear violation, no mastter how temporary, of a long-standing rule.  I've seen it enforced at least once in the East several years ago.

And, please note that the solution arrived at, one that we saw posted yesterday to the Ae Discussion DL, allows all the fighters in the previous Crown to participate.

The Board of Directors enforced a rule, fairly & justly.  Although you may not like the rule or the fact of the enforcement, it was done & done correctly.

FRIDRIKR



From greenstein at earthlink.net  Mon May 19 14:18:13 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:18:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
Message-ID: <4750194.1211221093961.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>And, please note that the solution arrived at, one that we saw posted yesterday to the Ae Discussion DL, allows all the fighters in the previous Crown to participate.

Yes.  All concerned will now participate in an elaborate mummery with a scripted outcome, designed to ensure that what everyone wants to see happen can actually happen.  The law has been revealed as an ass, and now everyone must dance to its braying as they are compelled to put aside substance to observe the form.

Whom, exactly, is served by a law that enlists good folk into hypocrisy, merely to ensure a just outcome following an honest mistake?

- Michael

From amyheilveil at gmail.com  Mon May 19 14:41:19 2008
From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:41:19 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <9DF2B1D697F74F61A9CE242CB7B797BA@HomeOffice>
References: <002701c8b843$4a8a5b00$1001a8c0@otter>
	<be53fda50805171643l8c21684jb29a2f65627f71f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<9DF2B1D697F74F61A9CE242CB7B797BA@HomeOffice>
Message-ID: <9e8e32f00805191141x67c617f8xdc1c0fb09ac62e28@mail.gmail.com>

If I may,

The rule is that if you are in a Crown Tournament, your membership
must be up to date.
The rule is that if you are a reigning Monarch, your membership must
be up to date.

Those who fight in Crown Tournaments are adults. They hold jobs, pay
bills, have children, and have a lot of daily responsibility. They are
treated as adults. As adults know, there are consequences to not
following rules.

There are two rules at the top of this email. The two adults involved
in this did not live up to their responsibilities, therefore, the
consequences of this are now being visited upon them.

The BOD did their job. They followed the rules.  If someone bonks Lutr
on the head and wins the Crown for the remainder of the reign, it's
legal, it's lawful, and it's their right. That someone would be
following the rules, they wouldn't have 'stolen' the reign, they would
have won it, just like Lutr won the Crown when he bonked someone. If
everyone in the tournament lays down and allows Lutr to win without
any fighting, it's an invalid tournament and the rules would have been
broken again. Personally, I hope all combatants fight with all their
heart and might. It is, after all, a Crown Tournament.

I may be a minority, but I see the BOD as having acted correctly and
in accordance with the rules of the Society. It's a rule to be a
member if you're reigning. The people reigning have a responsibility
to make sure that their membership is up to date. Lutr and Tessa
didn't live up to that responsibility. Why isn't anyone upset with
them? Why is it the BOD's fault that these two people put off renewing
their membership until it was imperative to have it done? And if they
had waited that long, why didn't they renew it online, as that would
have been faster and there would have been no chance of 'the mailman
ate my renewal'?  And does everyone want Monarchs that can't take care
of such a basic responsibility?

The BOD is being *tremendously* nice to allow a tournament for someone
to take over the remainder of the reign (be it Lutr or whoever wins).
Normally, the Regents would reign until the next Crown Tournament
(which will be on the same day as this ad hoc tournament) and that
winner would step directly into the Crown. How many can say that they
would suddenly be ready to step into those shoes on such short notice,
mentally, emotionally or financially when the plan had been for
everything to be in motion in September?

Something to think upon,
Cu Respectivo
Despina ot Brasov
apprentice to Master Wolfgang von Roessler, OL, Baron of the Court,
Middle Kingdom

addendum:
If one is entering a Crown Tournament, perhaps one should
automatically pay for another year of membership so as to not have to
worry about a lapse, if one should win.

Should one win a Crown Tournament, perhaps one should automatically
pay for another year of membership upon being crowned heir, so as to
not worry about lapse.

From hawkhill at frontiernet.net  Mon May 19 14:45:17 2008
From: hawkhill at frontiernet.net (hawkhill at frontiernet.net)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:45:17 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <4750194.1211221093961.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <4750194.1211221093961.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080519184517.jbs7rvqoowoksgc4@webmail.frontiernet.net>

I agree this is an unfortunate situation. I am pleased that those  
involved are handling the matter with honor and dignity, instead of  
whining and complaining. They are taking responsibility for the error,  
and are correcting matters in an honorable fashion. This speaks well  
of them. And the "sham" tournament only underlines the populace's  
support for them. I believe the matter is being addresed properly, and  
they have earned my respect for doing so.

Many might believe the BoD should have made an exception in their  
case. However, that can lead to a dangerous precedent, and cries of  
unfairness when subsequent "exceptions" are not made for others.

Sometimes "observing form" is important, and no one knows that better  
than Their Majesties who are doing this.  They are faithfully  
fulfilling the letter of the law, and treating it with respect. In  
this, we should follow their example.
-Brianna


Quoting "Michael B. Greenstein" <greenstein at earthlink.net>:

>> And, please note that the solution arrived at, one that we saw   
>> posted yesterday to the Ae Discussion DL, allows all the fighters   
>> in the previous Crown to participate.
>
> Yes.  All concerned will now participate in an elaborate mummery   
> with a scripted outcome, designed to ensure that what everyone wants  
>  to see happen can actually happen.  The law has been revealed as an  
>  ass, and now everyone must dance to its braying as they are   
> compelled to put aside substance to observe the form.
>
> Whom, exactly, is served by a law that enlists good folk into   
> hypocrisy, merely to ensure a just outcome following an honest   
> mistake?
>
> - Michael
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From chatalot at verizon.net  Mon May 19 16:33:10 2008
From: chatalot at verizon.net (chatalot at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:33:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
Message-ID: <11835013.1791521211229190699.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

Excuse me - but why are you so upset about the action taken by the BoD? 
This is not revolting, chutzpah, or a dictatorial whim - it is 
procedure.  And as anyone who runs any organization knows, you have to 
have some concrete procedure in order for it to function.  I would not 
want to belong to any group that thinks bending the rules is OK...if 
three days is acceptable, why not three weeks?  If medical expenses are 
an excuse,  what about theft?  Where do you draw the line once it has 
been smudged?

I've read how the Midrealm Crown will be awarded, and am thoroughly 
warmed by the actions to be taken by those who enter the special 
tournament.  This is chivalry as I expect it from this organization.  No 
matter how annoying the first decision might be, the latter is heartily 
welcomed.

Don't fault those you elected to do the job of running the SCA when they 
actually do it.  I'm glad this happened, maybe just to wake up me and 
others who might get careless about renewals.

Fionnghuala na Liosa Linne




On Sun, May 18, 2008 at  2:53 AM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:

>> Our membership renewal was
>> lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had 
>> lapsed
>> for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic 
>> termination.
>
> This is one of the more revolting examples of form over substance that 
> I have encountered.  Once again, the tail attempts to wag the dog.
>
> I sincerely hope that no one has the opportunistic chutzpah to step 
> forward to replace Their Majesties of the Middle, in show of the kind 
> of solidarity that makes us worthy to be called a Society.  If, on the 
> other hand, the Midrealm sits still and lets a California corporation 
> deprive it of its monarchs, does it deserve better?
>
> I would like to think that if this happened to AEthelmearc, our 
> Kingdom as a body would offer constructive suggestions concerning 
> which BoDily orifice might best hold such a decree.
>
> Does anyone else start to wonder whether the BoD might just be getting 
> a bit big for its britches?
>
> - Michael
> 
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From karstyl at gmail.com  Mon May 19 16:49:19 2008
From: karstyl at gmail.com (Karstyl)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:49:19 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Arts and Sciences at Myrkfaelinn Summer War Practice
Message-ID: <4831E7CF.1020303@gmail.com>

There will be an Arts and Science competition at the Myrkfaelinn Summer 
War Practice, June 6th-8th, 2008.

The format will be populace choice (aka bean count).  Documentation is 
encouraged, but not required.  There will also be a separate youth 
category, with separate prizes.  Entries are to be at the display area 
by noon.  Please have a copy of the documentation without your name on 
it, names will be put on the objects after judging is closed.  I 
encourage everyone to enter, whether it would be your first competition, 
or if you are a seasoned entrant.  Cards for 'on-the-spot' documentation 
and optional comment sheets will be provided.  Any questions please 
contact Reyni-Hrefna: karstyl at gmail.com

From hildasca at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 17:09:41 2008
From: hildasca at hotmail.com (Krista Traini)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:09:41 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] War Practice Classes Thank You!
In-Reply-To: <4831E7CF.1020303@gmail.com>
References: <4831E7CF.1020303@gmail.com>
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I'd just like to take a moment to thank all the teachers and facilitators that volunteered to teach classes and non-martial activities at War Practice last weekend.  War Practice would be a lesser event without you! Thank you thank you thank you!  And thanks to all who attended the classes and activities, and to the autocrat and staff of the event.
 
A Gathering of Needleworkerrs: Hrefna in heppna Thorgrimsdottir, facilitatorBardic Coaching and Songs of Aethelmearc: Gwendolyn the GracefulBeginning Drop Spinning: Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Brewers Roundtable: Brandubh O DonnghaileByzantine Field Tactics in the Tenth Century: Dani of the Seven Wells Double Weave Tablet Weaving: Juliana DelamereEarly European Dance and Saturday Dancing: Henry of MaldonHound Coursing Classes: Katla Ulfhednar, facilitatorLate Period Bee Keeping: Olivia d'AnjouLate Period German Costuming: Elisabeth Johanna von der FlossenburgMaking a Leather Bottle: Sarab bint Alima
Introduction to Near-Eastern Garb: Selime BernaQuill Pen Making: Robert l'?tourdi
The Housebook Style: Fredeburg von KatzenellenbogenAbsolute Beginner Calligraphy: Sophie DavenportBeginning Calligraphy: Anlaith ingen TrenaCadels, Flourishes and Fancy Initials: Hrefna in heppna ThorgrimsdottirDressing Up Your Letters-No Brush Required!: Sophie DavenportScribal Playtime: Gianna di AurelioFrugal Feasts Roundtable: Baroness KatjaSo You're Thinking of Becoming  a Chirurgeon?: Liam mac an Tsaoir
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AE Chatelaines? Meeting: Rowan L' Crotha
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From greenstein at earthlink.net  Mon May 19 17:21:47 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:21:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
Message-ID: <22942950.1211232107242.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Excuse me - but why are you so upset about the action taken by the BoD?

Simply put, I consider the corporate mentality to be one of the more dismaying blights upon the mundane world.  Too often in life I find myself dealing with policy rather than with people, and with the sense of disenfranchisement that accompanies it.  I expect more, and better, from our Society.  I work to try to make that "more and better" come about, and so do many others, no doubt including yourself.  When all that effort and belief in what we are building is undermined because someone's Form XYZ-23-B(2) has not been placed in the correct pidgeon hole during the prescribed phase of the moon, it cheapens us.

In these Modern Middle Ages we strive to create, it seems to me that good faith and a willingness to make amends should be permitted to counter a harmless error committed by inadvertant omission, particularly when not permitting this creates so much trouble for so many people.  That it does not seem that way to the BoD is the reason for my upset.

The rules must serve us, and not the other way around.  "Bright lines" have their place and their purpose, just as do the rules themselves, but like any other instance of "one size fits all" it can be taken to excess.  I believe that this is just such an excess.  An honest and readily-correctible error that harmed no one need not -- and should not -- be met with a "nuke" as a matter of first resort.

>Don't fault those you elected to do the job of running the SCA when they 
>actually do it.

I do fault them, readily and without hesitation.  I think this matter was handled poorly under circumstances in which remediation was readily achievable, the breach was minimal and extenuating circumstances existed.  It also seems to me that as a result, the Midrealm as a whole has been ill-used by those whose job is to protect the Society's interests and values.

I have written to the BoD to express my thoughts, and to suggest remediation of Corpora in hope that the honest mistake of one will not again have such a profound effect on so many.

Perhaps the simplest way to solve the problem once and for all is for the Society to award each new Crown Prince and Princess an automatic one-year extension of their memberships, in recognition of their service to come.

- Michael


From LadyDeianeira at att.net  Mon May 19 17:28:57 2008
From: LadyDeianeira at att.net (Lady Deianeira)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:28:57 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
References: <11835013.1791521211229190699.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <01dd01c8b9f7$60cac020$c700a8c0@AVALON>

So on the topic of consequences..

By the logic set forthwith - and the rationale subsequent the issue..

Then maybe we should demand the resignation of the BOD for allowing our 
security to be compromised when HQ was broken into?

And maybe we should ......

Open a long-standing can of worms regarding the individual who broke a 
fighters collarbone during a field-battle? (long - UGLY - story here)

And just maybe we should...

Demand if this rule is going to be enforced to this level - that Corpora be 
held to the same level of responsibility - and provide verification of 
[receipt of] and [processing of] - renewals and other forms of paperwork 
that we "in the field" must submit in such timely fashion  - and 
additionally be held responsible for insuring that (without any cause or 
excuse) the processing and return of said materials back to the members - 
are forwarded without delay?

No finger pointing - just queries, posers, thoughts...


Yes, there are alternatives to mailing - such as online renewal - HOWEVER - 
(from personal experience) - this doesn't always work either.. there have 
been a few times I've fought with the online renewals for days trying to get 
it to work. Unfortunate as it is, computer/internet is only a slight bit 
more dependable than today's USPS - and then only when there's no glitches 
or problems in the processing software or with the (gasp - now of course 
this could *NEVER happen) financial institution!

Unfortunately we don't live within the Walgreen's City Limits - and our town 
isn't called "Perfect" - life happens and allowances should be made (or at 
the very least, considered) for honest life-given mishaps.

Personally - I've gone months without seeing an AEstel - and - have even had 
to have duplicate cards sent - because my items were never received and 
(presumed) lost in the mail... If the membership must be held to a certain 
level of responsibility - then so should those who direct the organization 
as a whole.


Just my 2 cents..
Dei 


From taranach at gmail.com  Mon May 19 17:39:35 2008
From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:39:35 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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Maybe because they are very quick to enforce rulings in a case where
there were several extenuating and unusual circumstances... and just
as quick to sweep other very clear violations of those aforementioned
rules under the carpet.

Yes we are adults, but they sent in their memberships in good faith
expecting that it was taken care of as every other member has done for
the past forty years. Then something tragic happens and they are not
necessarily paying full attention  as to whether the mail got properly
delivered and Milpitas did their part in a timely fashion. Hey I just
got hit by a truck and put in the hospital, better make sure the post
office has delivered my membership and that I have been duly renewed."
It is not something that most people would do... until they don't see
their new card. As has happened innumerable

In another case someone deliberately hits someone else hard enough to
cause broken bones and /or severe injury. In one case it was announced
horseplay with supposed permission and yet authorizations were yanked,
in the other a person was already "dead" and had loudly and repeatedly
declared it and followed proper procedures and yet the other continued
to rain blows AFTER breaking bones.. oh but THAT one was swept under
the carpet.... in the former a regular member struck a peer, in the
latter a peer struck a regular member.

And you wonder why I am so upset?... You may wonder why the BOD is
constantly wondering why we have such poor retention of members?
Perhaps it is the perceptions that the SCA is a "Good ol' boys" club
where only the privileged see justice and the rank and file are
treated like dirt beneath their feet.

Milady, perhaps if there was equity or equality in rule enforcement
and a minimum of favoritism, I would not be so incensed at such
conduct or occurrences, sadly this is not so and the proverbial
'closet of skeletons' is bursting at the seams.

Taranach

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM,  <chatalot at verizon.net> wrote:
> Excuse me - but why are you so upset about the action taken by the BoD?
> This is not revolting, chutzpah, or a dictatorial whim - it is
> procedure.  And as anyone who runs any organization knows, you have to
> have some concrete procedure in order for it to function.  I would not
> want to belong to any group that thinks bending the rules is OK...if
> three days is acceptable, why not three weeks?  If medical expenses are
> an excuse,  what about theft?  Where do you draw the line once it has
> been smudged?
>
> I've read how the Midrealm Crown will be awarded, and am thoroughly
> warmed by the actions to be taken by those who enter the special
> tournament.  This is chivalry as I expect it from this organization.  No
> matter how annoying the first decision might be, the latter is heartily
> welcomed.
>
> Don't fault those you elected to do the job of running the SCA when they
> actually do it.  I'm glad this happened, maybe just to wake up me and
> others who might get careless about renewals.
>
> Fionnghuala na Liosa Linne
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at  2:53 AM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:
>
>>> Our membership renewal was
>>> lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had
>>> lapsed
>>> for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic
>>> termination.
>>
>> This is one of the more revolting examples of form over substance that
>> I have encountered.  Once again, the tail attempts to wag the dog.
>>
>> I sincerely hope that no one has the opportunistic chutzpah to step
>> forward to replace Their Majesties of the Middle, in show of the kind
>> of solidarity that makes us worthy to be called a Society.  If, on the
>> other hand, the Midrealm sits still and lets a California corporation
>> deprive it of its monarchs, does it deserve better?
>>
>> I would like to think that if this happened to AEthelmearc, our
>> Kingdom as a body would offer constructive suggestions concerning
>> which BoDily orifice might best hold such a decree.
>>
>> Does anyone else start to wonder whether the BoD might just be getting
>> a bit big for its britches?
>>
>> - Michael
>>
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From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Mon May 19 18:41:20 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:41:20 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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Under most circumstances, the person whose reign is invalidated is NOT  
allowed to enter the subsequent list.  Would this be better?

As it stands, the Board has tempered justice with mercy.  I, too, hope  
that every entrant in that new list gives it his absolute best and  
that no one can question the outcome.  To do otherwise would besmirch  
not only the failing combatant but also his opponent, his crown, his  
kingdom, and the chivalric ideals we all speak of.

FRIDRIKR

On May 19, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:

>> And, please note that the solution arrived at, one that we saw  
>> posted yesterday to the Ae Discussion DL, allows all the fighters  
>> in the previous Crown to participate.
>
> Yes.  All concerned will now participate in an elaborate mummery  
> with a scripted outcome, designed to ensure that what everyone wants  
> to see happen can actually happen.  The law has been revealed as an  
> ass, and now everyone must dance to its braying as they are  
> compelled to put aside substance to observe the form.
>
> Whom, exactly, is served by a law that enlists good folk into  
> hypocrisy, merely to ensure a just outcome following an honest  
> mistake?
>
> - Michael
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From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Mon May 19 18:43:31 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:43:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Think about it (was Re: FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and
 Tessa)
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Greetings from Myfanwy!
Taranach wrote:
> Maybe because they are very quick to enforce rulings in a case where
> there were several extenuating and unusual circumstances... and just
> as quick to sweep other very clear violations of those aforementioned
> rules under the carpet.

And what if circumstances had played out differently?  What if the BoD had
said, "Oh, wow, that really sucks -- we understand completely!" and let
them slide on their membership?  Or, instead of saying "We had an attack
of life and screwed up", TRMs decided to keep their mouths shut and
pretend that everything was fine and tried to continue their reign?
How MANY of those currently bitching about the BoD in this forum would
have been bitching about THAT?  How many would have been saying how
horrible the BoD was to not follow the rules, and complain about how
*certain* people get special treatment (to quote George Orwell "Some
animals are more equal than others")?
Like Fridrikr said -- this type of thing has happened before (with, I
might add, different sets of Board members), and, IIRC, the results were
pretty much the same.  I also remember a case *many* years ago, (out in
Calontir, I think), where the baron and baroness and several officers were
killed in a car wreck driving home from a kingdom Twelfth Night in an ice
storm.  (This was sufficiently long ago that I'm pretty sure there's been
a *complete* turnover in the BoD makeup as well as Corporate officers --
if not more than one.)  The official response at the time?  "Wow, how
terrible!  That really sucks!"  Then the rest of their barony was told
that they had (IIRC) a month to put together a new slate of officers or
their group was being nuked.  Forthwith.
I sympathize with Their Majesties.  I've had problems with the disconnect
between the USPS and Milpitas.  Three times.  It took a Postal Inspector
calling Milpitas to get things straightened out (after a lot of
fingerpointing from both parties).  Ultimately, it was *MY* fault for not
paying attention that my newsletters weren't arriving (the problem was an
incorrect barcode, which was sending _AEstels_ and _TI_ issues to the
wrong postal station, which was then returning them to Milpitas as "no
such address").
But the fact remains.  It was ultimately *their* responsibility to make
sure that they followed the rules.  And if the rule says "you must be a
paid member to enter the Crown lists" then it is ultimately the
responsibility of the entrants to make certain that they are paid members.
 Not the Seneschal, not the Earl Marshall (although it would have been
nice to have somebody double-check).
>From what has been posted here, they seem to have owned up that it was
their responsibility, and seem willing to take their lumps.  Would that
all of us have done the same, instead of fingerpointing.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net



From mauramc4880 at aol.com  Mon May 19 18:47:50 2008
From: mauramc4880 at aol.com (mauramc4880 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:47:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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And how would you change something as historic and endemic to?human society?as what you have described? We do relive history do we not? The world we choose to play in is much more democratic than the world we imitate.

Maura McLeod


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael B. Greenstein <greenstein at earthlink.net>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa



>And, please note that the solution arrived at, one that we saw posted yesterday 
to the Ae Discussion DL, allows all the fighters in the previous Crown to 
participate.

Yes.  All concerned will now participate in an elaborate mummery with a scripted 
outcome, designed to ensure that what everyone wants to see happen can actually 
happen.  The law has been revealed as an ass, and now everyone must dance to its 
braying as they are compelled to put aside substance to observe the form.

Whom, exactly, is served by a law that enlists good folk into hypocrisy, merely 
to ensure a just outcome following an honest mistake?

- Michael
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From kardasl+ at pitt.edu  Mon May 19 18:57:33 2008
From: kardasl+ at pitt.edu (kardasl+ at pitt.edu)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:57:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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>
> Perhaps the simplest way to solve the problem once and for all is for the
> Society to award each new Crown Prince and Princess an automatic one-year
> extension of their memberships, in recognition of their service to come.
>
> - Michael
>

I feel that this is an excellent answer and I am glad to see Master
Michael coming up with a valid and workable way to address this.

I did not feel that I needed to weigh in on this discussion to the BoD,
but I now feel that this is something they should consider.

Alessandra


From mauramc4880 at aol.com  Mon May 19 19:03:55 2008
From: mauramc4880 at aol.com (mauramc4880 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:03:55 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Think about it (was Re: FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr
 and Tessa)
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Well spoken



Maura MacLeod


-----Original Message-----
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To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 6:43 pm
Subject: [SCA-AE] Think about it (was Re: FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa)




Greetings from Myfanwy!
Taranach wrote:
> Maybe because they are very quick to enforce rulings in a case where
> there were several extenuating and unusual circumstances... and just
> as quick to sweep other very clear violations of those aforementioned
> rules under the carpet.

And what if circumstances had played out differently?  What if the BoD had
said, "Oh, wow, that really sucks -- we understand completely!" and let
them slide on their membership?  Or, instead of saying "We had an attack
of life and screwed up", TRMs decided to keep their mouths shut and
pretend that everything was fine and tried to continue their reign?
How MANY of those currently bitching about the BoD in this forum would
have been bitching about THAT?  How many would have been saying how
horrible the BoD was to not follow the rules, and complain about how
*certain* people get special treatment (to quote George Orwell "Some
animals are more equal than others")?
Like Fridrikr said -- this type of thing has happened before (with, I
might add, different sets of Board members), and, IIRC, the results were
pretty much the same.  I also remember a case *many* years ago, (out in
Calontir, I think), where the baron and baroness and several officers were
killed in a car wreck driving home from a kingdom Twelfth Night in an ice
storm.  (This was sufficiently long ago that I'm pretty sure there's been
a *complete* turnover in the BoD makeup as well as Corporate officers --
if not more than one.)  The official response at the time?  "Wow, how
terrible!  That really sucks!"  Then the rest of their barony was told
that they had (IIRC) a month to put together a new slate of officers or
their group was being nuked.  Forthwith.
I sympathize with Their Majesties.  I've had problems with the disconnect
between the USPS and Milpitas.  Three times.  It took a Postal Inspector
calling Milpitas to get things straightened out (after a lot of
fingerpointing from both parties).  Ultimately, it was *MY* fault for not
paying attention that my newsletters weren't arriving (the problem was an
incorrect barcode, which was sending _AEstels_ and _TI_ issues to the
wrong postal station, which was then returning them to Milpitas as "no
such address").
But the fact remains.  It was ultimately *their* responsibility to make
sure that they followed the rules.  And if the rule says "you must be a
paid member to enter the Crown lists" then it is ultimately the
responsibility of the entrants to make certain that they are paid members.
 Not the Seneschal, not the Earl Marshall (although it would have been
nice to have somebody double-check).
>From what has been posted here, they seem to have owned up that it was
their responsibility, and seem willing to take their lumps.  Would that
all of us have done the same, instead of fingerpointing.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net


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From hawkhill at frontiernet.net  Mon May 19 19:46:21 2008
From: hawkhill at frontiernet.net (hawkhill at frontiernet.net)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:46:21 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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Should that then also apply to Kingdom officers, for their service is  
surely no less? And what about Barons/Baronesses? And then Baronial  
Officers? Shire and cantons? Where do you draw the line? For all these  
are required to hold valid memberships, and at what point do you say  
their service "isn't enough"?  I recall at one point, someone  
suggested all peers should be given free lifetime membership, in  
recognition of their service. (being a peer myself, I'm not entirely  
unopposed to the idea) And yet, I can't help but remember that with  
honor comes responsibility. Making sure one has their membership  
renewed in a timely manner is not so onerous a burden.
-Brianna


Quoting kardasl+ at pitt.edu:

>>
>> Perhaps the simplest way to solve the problem once and for all is for the
>> Society to award each new Crown Prince and Princess an automatic one-year
>> extension of their memberships, in recognition of their service to come.
>>
>> - Michael
>>
>
> I feel that this is an excellent answer and I am glad to see Master
> Michael coming up with a valid and workable way to address this.
>
> I did not feel that I needed to weigh in on this discussion to the BoD,
> but I now feel that this is something they should consider.
>
> Alessandra
>
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From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Mon May 19 20:00:04 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:00:04 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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Indeed it is not.  There has been the suggestion that the Kingdom  
should pay the memberships for the Royalty.  Frankly, if that is  
necessary, it doesn't bother me.  However, I do agree with your point,  
Mistress Brianna.

FRIDRIKR

On May 19, 2008, at 7:46 PM, hawkhill at frontiernet.net wrote:

> Should that then also apply to Kingdom officers, for their service is
> surely no less? And what about Barons/Baronesses? And then Baronial
> Officers? Shire and cantons? Where do you draw the line? For all these
> are required to hold valid memberships, and at what point do you say
> their service "isn't enough"?  I recall at one point, someone
> suggested all peers should be given free lifetime membership, in
> recognition of their service. (being a peer myself, I'm not entirely
> unopposed to the idea) And yet, I can't help but remember that with
> honor comes responsibility. Making sure one has their membership
> renewed in a timely manner is not so onerous a burden.
> -Brianna
>
>
> Quoting kardasl+ at pitt.edu:
>
>>>
>>> Perhaps the simplest way to solve the problem once and for all is  
>>> for the
>>> Society to award each new Crown Prince and Princess an automatic  
>>> one-year
>>> extension of their memberships, in recognition of their service to  
>>> come.
>>>
>>> - Michael
>>>
>>
>> I feel that this is an excellent answer and I am glad to see Master
>> Michael coming up with a valid and workable way to address this.
>>
>> I did not feel that I needed to weigh in on this discussion to the  
>> BoD,
>> but I now feel that this is something they should consider.
>>
>> Alessandra
>>
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From hawkhill at frontiernet.net  Mon May 19 20:09:19 2008
From: hawkhill at frontiernet.net (hawkhill at frontiernet.net)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:09:19 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <F0F8DA04-655F-48D9-A315-8E905C067CE3@rochester.rr.com>
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Oh, I have no problem with giving free memberships to royalty either.  
I'm just saying that if you draw the line there, that it is as  
arbitrary as any other policy.
-Brianna

Quoting Thomas Ireland-Delfs <fridrikr at rochester.rr.com>:

> Indeed it is not.  There has been the suggestion that the Kingdom
> should pay the memberships for the Royalty.  Frankly, if that is
> necessary, it doesn't bother me.  However, I do agree with your point,
> Mistress Brianna.
>
> FRIDRIKR
>
> On May 19, 2008, at 7:46 PM, hawkhill at frontiernet.net wrote:
>
>> Should that then also apply to Kingdom officers, for their service is
>> surely no less? And what about Barons/Baronesses? And then Baronial
>> Officers? Shire and cantons? Where do you draw the line? For all these
>> are required to hold valid memberships, and at what point do you say
>> their service "isn't enough"?  I recall at one point, someone
>> suggested all peers should be given free lifetime membership, in
>> recognition of their service. (being a peer myself, I'm not entirely
>> unopposed to the idea) And yet, I can't help but remember that with
>> honor comes responsibility. Making sure one has their membership
>> renewed in a timely manner is not so onerous a burden.
>> -Brianna
>>
>>
>> Quoting kardasl+ at pitt.edu:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the simplest way to solve the problem once and for all is
>>>> for the
>>>> Society to award each new Crown Prince and Princess an automatic
>>>> one-year
>>>> extension of their memberships, in recognition of their service to
>>>> come.
>>>>
>>>> - Michael
>>>>
>>>
>>> I feel that this is an excellent answer and I am glad to see Master
>>> Michael coming up with a valid and workable way to address this.
>>>
>>> I did not feel that I needed to weigh in on this discussion to the
>>> BoD,
>>> but I now feel that this is something they should consider.
>>>
>>> Alessandra
>>>
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From mol.maria at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 20:11:08 2008
From: mol.maria at yahoo.com (Maria Christina de Cordoba)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Authorization Cards
Message-ID: <102849.29902.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
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or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
Greetings,
   
  If you gave me your Authorization form at War Practice I am pleased to report, your card was put in this evenings mail. If you have not received your card within 5 to 7 days please contact me. ae.authorization at aethelmearc.org  or mol.maria at yahoo.com 
   
  IS,
    Maria


THL Maria Christina de Cordoba 
Kingdom MOL Deputy & Authorization Clerk 
Region 1 MOL 
MOL Webminister
       

From mol.maria at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 20:11:08 2008
From: mol.maria at yahoo.com (Maria Christina de Cordoba)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Authorization Cards
Message-ID: <102849.29902.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
   
  If you gave me your Authorization form at War Practice I am pleased to report, your card was put in this evenings mail. If you have not received your card within 5 to 7 days please contact me. ae.authorization at aethelmearc.org  or mol.maria at yahoo.com 
   
  IS,
    Maria


THL Maria Christina de Cordoba 
Kingdom MOL Deputy & Authorization Clerk 
Region 1 MOL 
MOL Webminister
       

From amyheilveil at gmail.com  Mon May 19 20:12:29 2008
From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:12:29 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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 And yet, I can't help but remember that with
> honor comes responsibility. Making sure one has their membership
> renewed in a timely manner is not so onerous a burden.
> -Brianna
>

And so why not make it a requirement that the winning combatant (and
consort) renew their membership  within a month of the win? Regardless
of when their membership would expire?  It gets it out of the way and
then wouldn't be something that anyone would have to think of  during
the entire reign.

Just a thought,
Despina de la what a large can of worms

From hawkhill at frontiernet.net  Mon May 19 20:23:21 2008
From: hawkhill at frontiernet.net (hawkhill at frontiernet.net)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:23:21 +0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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> And so why not make it a requirement that the winning combatant (and
> consort) renew their membership  within a month of the win? Regardless
> of when their membership would expire?  It gets it out of the way and
> then wouldn't be something that anyone would have to think of  during
> the entire reign.
>
> Just a thought,
> Despina de la what a large can of worms


Um....Will adding *another* requirement actually solve the problem? I  
don't think so. In fact, it makes it even worse, if you really think  
about it. I don't think we have to try to micro-manage every little  
detail. We have enough rules and regs already.
-Brianna












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From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Mon May 19 20:35:24 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:35:24 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] OT: Please vote if you live in New York State
Message-ID: <CF81F388-AC83-4045-9426-E81B4B7208DE@rochester.rr.com>

My apologies for the band-width use

Tomorrow, the 20th is School Budget Vote Day in New York State.  If  
you live in a suburban or rural district, please VOTE tomorrow!  And,  
PLEASE VOTE YES!

FRIDRIKR

From grm at andrew.cmu.edu  Mon May 19 20:38:16 2008
From: grm at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Beck)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:38:16 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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--On Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:23 AM +0000 hawkhill at frontiernet.net wrote:

>> And so why not make it a requirement that the winning combatant (and
>> consort) renew their membership  within a month of the win? Regardless
>> of when their membership would expire?  It gets it out of the way and
>> then wouldn't be something that anyone would have to think of  during
>> the entire reign.
>>
>> Just a thought,
>> Despina de la what a large can of worms
>
>
> Um....Will adding *another* requirement actually solve the problem? I
> don't think so. In fact, it makes it even worse, if you really think
> about it. I don't think we have to try to micro-manage every little
> detail. We have enough rules and regs already.
> -Brianna

It's not another requirement, just a change of requirement. Midrealm law 
already requires that combattants prove that their membership is good until 
at least one month after crown tournament. Changing that to 12 months is 
not really adding a new regulation. (AEthelmearc, by contrast, merely 
requires "proof of membership")

toodles, margaret



From jenn.strobel at gmail.com  Mon May 19 20:56:19 2008
From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:56:19 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: A&S Forum Thank Yous
Message-ID: <2ae6b4a90805191756t7538891od832ea3efb152f2c@mail.gmail.com>

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To the Artisans and Scientists of the Sylvan Kingdom of AEthelmearc
does Odriana vander Brugghe bid good greetings this surprisingly cold
day in May.

The A&S Forum at War Practice was a great success.  There were many
people that brought their work to share and there were people browsing
through and talking to our exhibitors for the entire duration of the
Forum.  It was so wonderful to see so many talented people all in one
place.

I want to thank our participants:

Renata the posh rot - Displayed her gouache paintings
Hrefna in heppna - Displayed her calligraphed indenture and
instructions for making strapwork initials
Olivia d'Anjou - Brought information about beekeeping and Displayed
the beginnings of her newest Skep (where bees are kept)
Malcolm MacAngus - Displayed his incredible portraits
Guenevere Katherine of Trails End and Magdalena Binder - Displayed
information about documentation and research
Bovi Farma?r - Brought his amazing iron work and leather shoes
Juliana Delamere - Displayed her tablet weaving and her Viking tunic.
Christofano Vecchione - Brought his entire portfolio of work (spanning 20 years)
Isolda filia Georgii - Brought her illumination, portrait miniatures,
and shared information about the A&S 50 Challenge
Gianna di Aurelio - Displayed her illuminated pieces
Rosalind Ashworth - Brought her tablet weaving, embroidery, and appliqu?
Clarice Roan - Brought her amazing hats and shared her documentation
Artemius Andreas Magnus - Displayed stained glass from start to finish
Bronwyn MacFhionghuin - Brought strawberry tarts and her redaction of
the strawberry tart recipe she used from the Good Husewife's Jewell

Thank you all for participating and for making the Forum such a joy to
attend and making my job as coordinator such a pleasant one.

OVB
-- 
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring
production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
-Frank Zappa

From battalion73 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 21:51:46 2008
From: battalion73 at yahoo.com (Troy Headland)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:51:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <11835013.1791521211229190699.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
Message-ID: <324648.34094.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree with the fact that procedures are put in place for a reason.  That reason being the ability to maintain a certain level of organization.  I am grateful for structure in its many forms but in creating structure we as human beings must allow for circumstances to sometimes fall outside of our control.  When this happens is it not a time for the benefit of the doubt to be observed?  Their Majesties did what was asked of them and others dropped the ball.  Our Society is supposed to represent Chivalry in all its incarnations.  With that in mind would it not have been better to rule using common sense and compassion rather than walking through the situation with blinders on?  
   
  I don't fault anyone involved.  The BOD for doing its job, TRM for doing what was required of them or the USPS for just being terrible as usual.  Just keep in mind when you take the human factor out of our Society on any level you cheapen what we stand for.  We as people make mistakes and it is from those mistakes that we learn.  Hell I spend about 22 hours a day learning :).  
   
  It appears that a solution for this situation has been found and when those members of the Middle stand behind what has been said it shows their dedication to the Codes of Chivalry and that is all that matters.
   
  As Always, In Service
   
  Gabriel Hawkes

chatalot at verizon.net wrote:
  Excuse me - but why are you so upset about the action taken by the BoD? 
This is not revolting, chutzpah, or a dictatorial whim - it is 
procedure. And as anyone who runs any organization knows, you have to 
have some concrete procedure in order for it to function. I would not 
want to belong to any group that thinks bending the rules is OK...if 
three days is acceptable, why not three weeks? If medical expenses are 
an excuse, what about theft? Where do you draw the line once it has 
been smudged?

I've read how the Midrealm Crown will be awarded, and am thoroughly 
warmed by the actions to be taken by those who enter the special 
tournament. This is chivalry as I expect it from this organization. No 
matter how annoying the first decision might be, the latter is heartily 
welcomed.

Don't fault those you elected to do the job of running the SCA when they 
actually do it. I'm glad this happened, maybe just to wake up me and 
others who might get careless about renewals.

Fionnghuala na Liosa Linne




On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Michael B. Greenstein wrote:

>> Our membership renewal was
>> lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had 
>> lapsed
>> for 3 days. According to Copora, that leads to an automatic 
>> termination.
>
> This is one of the more revolting examples of form over substance that 
> I have encountered. Once again, the tail attempts to wag the dog.
>
> I sincerely hope that no one has the opportunistic chutzpah to step 
> forward to replace Their Majesties of the Middle, in show of the kind 
> of solidarity that makes us worthy to be called a Society. If, on the 
> other hand, the Midrealm sits still and lets a California corporation 
> deprive it of its monarchs, does it deserve better?
>
> I would like to think that if this happened to AEthelmearc, our 
> Kingdom as a body would offer constructive suggestions concerning 
> which BoDily orifice might best hold such a decree.
>
> Does anyone else start to wonder whether the BoD might just be getting 
> a bit big for its britches?
>
> - Michael
> 
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From bostonhahn at aol.com  Mon May 19 21:51:52 2008
From: bostonhahn at aol.com (bostonhahn at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:51:52 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Update to Embroiderers Wanted
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Greetings to Everyone:

I would like to thank everyone who came forward and volunteered to 
embroider a napkin for Her Majesty's Tea.
I passed out quite a few at war practice but I could have passed out 
more.  I have to admit I did not get them all hemmed, thus I ran out.  
I have more to pass out and I would like to ask all of you who would 
like to embroider a napkin to please write to me at bostonhahn at aol 
dot com and send me your snail mail address.  I will gladly mail a 
napkin and patterns to you.  I would appreciate if I could get the 
finished napkins back by Pennsic please, if that is possible.  We will 
have a collection basket at the Hospitality Table in Aethelmearc Royal 
as well, but what I canget ahead of thenis greatly appreciated!

Once again I was  overwhelmed by the generosity of the Aethelmearc 
Artisans.  Thank you all very much.  Aethelmearc
is the Greatest!!!!!!!

Elisabeth



From mariannamolindisalerno at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 22:23:28 2008
From: mariannamolindisalerno at yahoo.com (Marianna Molin di Salerno)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:23:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] War Practice was Great!
Message-ID: <671243.40811.qm@web58109.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
  Just wanted to say thank you for a wonderful event - the rain did not dampen our spirits, the cold did not freeze the warmth of our hearts, the wind did not blow away the good times.  Thank you to all, we of  the Shire of Sylvan Glen salute you!
  YIS,
  Bera the blessed


Bene agendo nunquam defessus.
(Never grow tired of doing good.)
       

From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Mon May 19 22:25:09 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:25:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Update to Embroiderers Wanted
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Greetings from Myfanwy!
Just to double-check (I was getting pretty fried by the time of the
Needleworkers' Gathering).
It's any one of the patterns, in any type of technique and fiber, in one
of the napkin corners, right?
Sorry for being brain-dead.  I had been up that day since 5:30 am, and
then had to get up at 5:30 am on Sunday as well.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net

> Greetings to Everyone:
>
> I would like to thank everyone who came forward and volunteered to
> embroider a napkin for Her Majesty's Tea.
> I passed out quite a few at war practice but I could have passed out
> more.  I have to admit I did not get them all hemmed, thus I ran out.
> I have more to pass out and I would like to ask all of you who would
> like to embroider a napkin to please write to me at bostonhahn at aol
> dot com and send me your snail mail address.  I will gladly mail a
> napkin and patterns to you.  I would appreciate if I could get the
> finished napkins back by Pennsic please, if that is possible.  We will
> have a collection basket at the Hospitality Table in Aethelmearc Royal
> as well, but what I canget ahead of thenis greatly appreciated!
>
> Once again I was  overwhelmed by the generosity of the Aethelmearc
> Artisans.  Thank you all very much.  Aethelmearc
> is the Greatest!!!!!!!
>
> Elisabeth
>
>
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From bostonhahn at aol.com  Mon May 19 22:32:38 2008
From: bostonhahn at aol.com (bostonhahn at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:32:38 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Update to Embroiderers Wanted
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You are correct.  You received 2 sheets with many different rose 
patterns. You can pick any one pattern and transfer it to one corner of 
the napkin and stitch it in any way you like using any fiber and color 
you like! Again THANK YOU!!!!!!
Elisabeth


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Greetings from Myfanwy!
Just to double-check (I was getting pretty fried by the time of the
Needleworkers' Gathering).
It's any one of the patterns, in any type of technique and fiber, in one
of the napkin corners, right?
Sorry for being brain-dead.  I had been up that day since 5:30 am, and
then had to get up at 5:30 am on Sunday as well.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net

> Greetings to Everyone:
>
> I would like to thank everyone who came forward and volunteered to
> embroider a napkin for Her Majesty's Tea.
> I passed out quite a few at war practice but I could have passed out
> more.  I have to admit I did not get them all hemmed, thus I ran out.
> I have more to pass out and I would like to ask all of you who would
> like to embroider a napkin to please write to me at bostonhahn at aol
> dot com and send me your snail mail address.  I will gladly mail a
> napkin and patterns to you.  I would appreciate if I could get the
> finished napkins back by Pennsic please, if that is possible.  We will
> have a collection basket at the Hospitality Table in Aethelmearc Royal
> as well, but what I canget ahead of thenis greatly appreciated!
>
> Once again I was  overwhelmed by the generosity of the Aethelmearc
> Artisans.  Thank you all very much.  Aethelmearc
> is the Greatest!!!!!!!
>
> Elisabeth
>
>
> 
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From amyheilveil at gmail.com  Mon May 19 22:35:10 2008
From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:35:10 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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> It's not another requirement, just a change of requirement. Midrealm law
> already requires that combattants prove that their membership is good until
> at least one month after crown tournament. Changing that to 12 months is
> not really adding a new regulation. (AEthelmearc, by contrast, merely
> requires "proof of membership")
>
> toodles, margaret

I was being slightly tongue in cheek, knowing that law already.
*blush* sorry.  More bureaucracy isn't usually the answer. Ultimately,
it's people living up to their responsibility and being willing to
take their licks when they don't live up to their responsibility.

Smiles,
Despina de la hope I didn't offend anyone

From greyraven315 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 19:17:16 2008
From: greyraven315 at yahoo.com (Lady Giovanna DaNapoli)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:17:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Think about it (was Re: FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr
	and Tessa)
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If I may say, 
   
  If ANY Royals, Officers, and/or ANY Elected Officials, as it were, have access to the internet, and yes I pay attention, I know that there are some problems, on occasion there, but still, if they have the access, then maybe they should provide valid email address, to Milpitas, and, when they are around 2 months or so from expiring in membership, they will receive an email reminding them to renew. I have, for 9 years, supplied my email, and have always received notices on expiring, in a timely manner.
   
  And, as far as the rules on this issue, when they entered the tourney, they read and were aware of said rules, and agreed to them, just like everyone person before them, and every person after them, and every person in some kind of position, in the SCA, has done for forty years.
   
  This is a "good ol boys club" in almost every case of someone getting hit way to hard, from so and so knight, and all they say is "sorry", and that's on rare occassions. Or someone getting broken bones, whether on purpose or accident, and nothing being done about it.
   
  The Bods and Corpra Officers, and ALL who hold some kind of official capacity, need to remember, THEY would have no purpose if it weren't for ALL of us little people, all of us who are JUST here to have fun, and maybe meet new people, or learn something new.
   
  I, for one, am glad to see TRMS, own up to what happened, and proved they are still real, normal human beings, who happen to play a role in this game.
   
  As Always,
   
  Lady Giovanna Antonia DaNapoli
  Casa Sopra LA Argenteo Corvi
  Guida La Spada

myfanwy at nauticom.net wrote:
  Greetings from Myfanwy!
Taranach wrote:
> Maybe because they are very quick to enforce rulings in a case where
> there were several extenuating and unusual circumstances... and just
> as quick to sweep other very clear violations of those aforementioned
> rules under the carpet.

And what if circumstances had played out differently? What if the BoD had
said, "Oh, wow, that really sucks -- we understand completely!" and let
them slide on their membership? Or, instead of saying "We had an attack
of life and screwed up", TRMs decided to keep their mouths shut and
pretend that everything was fine and tried to continue their reign?
How MANY of those currently bitching about the BoD in this forum would
have been bitching about THAT? How many would have been saying how
horrible the BoD was to not follow the rules, and complain about how
*certain* people get special treatment (to quote George Orwell "Some
animals are more equal than others")?
Like Fridrikr said -- this type of thing has happened before (with, I
might add, different sets of Board members), and, IIRC, the results were
pretty much the same. I also remember a case *many* years ago, (out in
Calontir, I think), where the baron and baroness and several officers were
killed in a car wreck driving home from a kingdom Twelfth Night in an ice
storm. (This was sufficiently long ago that I'm pretty sure there's been
a *complete* turnover in the BoD makeup as well as Corporate officers --
if not more than one.) The official response at the time? "Wow, how
terrible! That really sucks!" Then the rest of their barony was told
that they had (IIRC) a month to put together a new slate of officers or
their group was being nuked. Forthwith.
I sympathize with Their Majesties. I've had problems with the disconnect
between the USPS and Milpitas. Three times. It took a Postal Inspector
calling Milpitas to get things straightened out (after a lot of
fingerpointing from both parties). Ultimately, it was *MY* fault for not
paying attention that my newsletters weren't arriving (the problem was an
incorrect barcode, which was sending _AEstels_ and _TI_ issues to the
wrong postal station, which was then returning them to Milpitas as "no
such address").
But the fact remains. It was ultimately *their* responsibility to make
sure that they followed the rules. And if the rule says "you must be a
paid member to enter the Crown lists" then it is ultimately the
responsibility of the entrants to make certain that they are paid members.
Not the Seneschal, not the Earl Marshall (although it would have been
nice to have somebody double-check).
>From what has been posted here, they seem to have owned up that it was
their responsibility, and seem willing to take their lumps. Would that
all of us have done the same, instead of fingerpointing.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net


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From c.mortika at gmail.com  Mon May 19 22:48:47 2008
From: c.mortika at gmail.com (Christopher Mortika)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:48:47 -0600
Subject: [SCA-AE] Distant Historical Facts
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Greetings to my friends in AEthelmearc, from Christian d'Hiver, your
servant now in Calontir.

Lady Myfanwy, you've made an eloquent post, but I would like to
preserve some facts from falling into legends:

You wrote:
> I also remember a case *many* years ago, (out in
>  Calontir, I think), where the baron and baroness and several officers were
>  killed in a car wreck driving home from a kingdom Twelfth Night in an ice
>  storm. (This was sufficiently long ago that I'm pretty sure there's been
>  a *complete* turnover in the BoD makeup as well as Corporate officers --
>  if not more than one.) The official response at the time? "Wow, how
>  terrible! That really sucks!" Then the rest of their barony was told
>  that they had (IIRC) a month to put together a new slate of officers or
> their group was being nuked. Forthwith.

The event was Calontir's second Coronation, held in late summer of
1984, in the Barony of Three Rivers (St. Louis, Mo).  The baron,
baroness, seneschal and herald of Coeur d'Ennui (Des Moines, Ia) were
travelling together, and were struck by an oncoming truck.

So far as I know, the outpouring of sympathy for the dead, their
families, friends, and fellow Coeur d'Ennui members was sincere and
heartfelt.  If there were any threats made, I didn't hear about them,
and I was local to the incoming king and queen at the time.  I believe
that Coeur d'Ennui may have been granted a hiatus from the
responsibilities of a barony --which in Calontir at the time included
monthly reports for some officers-- until they were ready to resume
them.  In any case, Coeur d'Ennui eventually picked itself back up, a
new baron and baroness were installed some months later, and the group
has been a stalwart of northern Calontir ever since.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to set this record straight.

--Christian d'Hiver

From helthehorrible at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 23:43:18 2008
From: helthehorrible at yahoo.com (HEL)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:43:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] War Practice was Great!
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I also had a great War Practice made even better by my splendid neighbors from Sylvan Glen!

HEL


--- On Mon, 5/19/08, Marianna Molin di Salerno <mariannamolindisalerno at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Marianna Molin di Salerno <mariannamolindisalerno at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [SCA-AE] War Practice was Great!
> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
> Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 10:23 PM
> Greetings,
>   Just wanted to say thank you for a wonderful event - the
> rain did not dampen our spirits, the cold did not freeze
> the warmth of our hearts, the wind did not blow away the
> good times.  Thank you to all, we of  the Shire of Sylvan
> Glen salute you!
>   YIS,
>   Bera the blessed
> 
> 
> Bene agendo nunquam defessus.
> (Never grow tired of doing good.)
>        
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From taranach at gmail.com  Tue May 20 01:17:44 2008
From: taranach at gmail.com (Taranach McLeod)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:17:44 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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This is not directed to this poster specifically, it is merely the
post that sparked the following:

I would like to posit the following scenario if I may:
    A crown tourney is held and various participants with valid
memberships of varying renewal dates enter said tourney. There is no
way of knowing who may win but we shall say the Sir Loin of Beef and
his consort Lady Mignon have taken the day. Their membership will
expire in three months so, having no internet, they send in their
membership immediately via US Post. They have fulfilled the letter of
the law.

Meanwhile the Post office manages to lose things in it's inimitable
fashion, and further Milpitas is well known for taking 6 weeks or
longer to turn around a membership renewal. Under normal circumstances
this would still not be a problem as our honorable nobles would notice
that there cards had not arrived as the deadline draws near... but
hark!! A tragic accident, a fire or a flood, perhaps something
requiring hospitalization... a family thrown suddenly into turmoil.
Suddenly small details that were supposedly "already taken care of"
seem to slip the mind in the greater need of the family. Gamely they
struggle on with their duties despite their problems.

Not long after, things settle down and they realize that they STILL
have not received their renewals even though they were sent in
immediately after winning the tourney. They make an inquiry and
discover to their horror that their membership has indeed lapsed... do
they merely not mention the fact to anyone and try to quietly get
things straightened out? No... They come forward and admit the error
although the fault lies not with them. They do the honorable and
chivalrous thing.

Would the board have been keeping track of memberships for all royals
and noticed this problem or would it need to be pointed out to them?
What about the Kingdom Seneschal? What about any of the other kingdom
officers? If any of them did notice and point this out to the BOD, who
would be the ones to enforce this rule, Should not TRM's be notified
BEFORE said membership expired so that they could attempt to resolve
the issue?

In the aforementioned scenarios, a dishonorable person could have
probably passed unnoticed and gotten their memberships renewed without
anyone knowing any different.

Meanwhile an honest person who does the honorable and noble thing, is
stripped of their crown, made to fight all over again to keep what
they had already earned, an entire kingdom is thrown into turmoil, and
a populace is appalled and moved to anger.

If this sounds similar to what has already happened, remember that
this could happen to anyone.
The point being... Who stands to gain from each outcome? Has anyone
benefited from the second outcome? Is adherence to the strictest
interpretation of the rules, no matter what, worth EITHER of those
possible outcomes?

Disregarding the modern courts and interpretation of the laws of the
land, was it not in period for those who ruled to occasionally bend
the rules to allow clemency or even mercy in the rare extenuating
circumstance?

I submit that, if nothing else, this rule *really* needs to be
modified before any further damage is done. I also submit that it
should also be a responsibility of a kingdom's Legal officer, the
seneschal, to insure that this type of thing does not happen again. If
they are responsible for insuring that memberships are up to date
PRIOR to participation in Crown Tournament, (as well as votes and
other things) then they should also at least take an active role in
making sure that their sovereigns memberships are current and
forewarning them that it is about to expire in time for them to take
action.

Taranach

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil at gmail.com> wrote:
>  And yet, I can't help but remember that with
>> honor comes responsibility. Making sure one has their membership
>> renewed in a timely manner is not so onerous a burden.
>> -Brianna
>>
>
> And so why not make it a requirement that the winning combatant (and
> consort) renew their membership  within a month of the win? Regardless
> of when their membership would expire?  It gets it out of the way and
> then wouldn't be something that anyone would have to think of  during
> the entire reign.
>
> Just a thought,
> Despina de la what a large can of worms
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From RoseThorne at att.net  Tue May 20 01:54:10 2008
From: RoseThorne at att.net (Beth)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 05:54:10 -0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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Greetings,

The SCA is a great hobby.  The things we learn from research we do, 
classes we take and the desire to follow the idealistic dream of 
Medieval chivalry.  We follow a set of rules that have been set up so 
that everyone across the globe knows how to play the game our club 
has taken great pains to set up over the years.

After reading all the posts regarding the sad occurance in the 
midrealm, I'm reminded of how frustrating it is when there are 
written rules which are bent or ignored and how they affect all the 
people and set precidences which are lamentable.  It happens with the 
laws of our modern lives as well.

Be that as it may.  I am appalled by some of the statements I have 
read.  

Comments such as "peers vs. regular members"?  Just becuase I don't 
have a white belt, laurel, pelican or crown on my head does not make 
me or any of the others in the society, no matter at what level they 
choose to play this game, less than a peer.  Many of us hold offices, 
volunteer our time, share out knowledge, and love the spectactle of 
it all just as much as someone recognized and voted upon for the 
honor of being a peer.  Some don't have the time in their real lives 
to devote that much time to a hobby.  Others don't enjoy that much 
attention.  

Another comment that surpised me was something to the effect that 
peers should be granted a lifetime membership.  If every peer was 
granted a lifetime membership card, that would place more of a burdon 
on the members who do not have that honor and the cost of membership 
would go up.  Aren't those fees we pay going to pay for the Society's 
insurance and other financial responsibilities?  Isn't that why we 
have to charge a non-member fee to people who come to our events and 
can't proove membership...so that we can pay those bills?

Finally, when I chose to be an officer for my local group, I knew 
that I had to keep my membership current.  Before I took that office, 
I paid upfront for two years of membership to cover my term of office 
so that I wouldn't be in violation of the rules we have.  There 
shouldn't need to be an automatic extention for people holding 
offices and baronial seats.  If someone wants to go to a concert, 
they either save up the money or they don't go.  

Rose


From arianna_wyn at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 09:13:50 2008
From: arianna_wyn at yahoo.com (Karen Kasper)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 06:13:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
In-Reply-To: <g0tp22+fp63@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <610244.95705.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well said, Rose.
   
  I've been a peer for longer than not, and I don't think it's anyone's responsibility but my own to pay my membership. Which I have, for over thirty years. If we give away free memberships to *anyone*, I'd certainly rather it be to new members, to encourage them to stay and contribute to our society.
   
  As good and caring people, we all wish this sad situation had not happened, and we all think it should have been handled as kindly and mercifully as possible.
   
  But in fairness, the rules must be followed or they should not exist. Others have lost their opportunity to reign due to membership lapses (though none, AFAIK, lost it AFTER being crowned). I do not know Lutr and Tessa, and I choose to believe their account of what happened, but we have no way of knowing for certain if it is true. If an exception were made in this case, then those for whom an exception was *not* made would have valid grounds for complaint as well. And to those who complain that peers receive preferential treatment, I will point out that Lutr IS a peer, and has been treated fairly rather than preferentially, and as mercifully as the law allows.
  
Lutr and Tessa have behaved with honor. The Board has acted with integrity. The Regent has, in the replacement Crown Tourney, devised is a merciful solution. As Master Fridrikr said, I hope that the replacement tourney is a true contest and not a sham, so that whoever wins can do so with equal honor.
   
  If we do not like the rules, we should petition the BoD to change them. But let's not chastise them for following the rules as they currently exist.
   
  Arianna of Wynthrope
   
  
Beth <RoseThorne at att.net> wrote:
    After reading all the posts regarding the sad occurance in the 
midrealm, I'm reminded of how frustrating it is when there are 
written rules which are bent or ignored and how they affect all the 
people and set precidences which are lamentable
   
  <snip>

Comments such as "peers vs. regular members"? Just becuase I don't 
have a white belt, laurel, pelican or crown on my head does not make 
me or any of the others in the society, no matter at what level they 
choose to play this game, less than a peer. 
   
  <snip>

Another comment that surpised me was something to the effect that 
peers should be granted a lifetime membership. If every peer was 
granted a lifetime membership card, that would place more of a burdon 
on the members who do not have that honor and the cost of membership 
would go up. 



Karen Kasper
       

From dlightft at neo.rr.com  Tue May 20 09:19:25 2008
From: dlightft at neo.rr.com (Daniel)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:19:25 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
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My only response is "Prove it". I am not saying that this happened in 
this situation, however in the hypothetical situation you described what 
if it was never sent in the first place? They knew their membership was 
coming due and they thought, "We need to do something about this." but 
promptly forgot because of the debacle at the office. Then life happened 
and things got forgotten about. Serious life, people got injured and 
hospitals were involved so the SCA membership slipped their minds again. 
So things settle and they realize they realize that it's too late to 
mail in their renewal, and they have to mail it in because they don't 
have internet in their home, their friends don't have internet in their 
home, they don't have internet at work none of the local officers have 
internet at home, the public library has no internet and there are no 
internet cafe's in a 100 mile radius (it could happen I guess). So their 
membership lapses and they say, "Our membership lapsed, we're very 
sorry" as well they should. The BOD looks up in corpora and says, "Sorry 
but the rule is, you are done". They could say, "The USPS lost it and 
life happened we're sorry." Should we let it go? If so, why have the 
rule at all? Why have the rule if a simple, unverifiable statement 
absolves them of all problems.
However in this situation we follow the rules. Now there is outrage! 
Why? Most of the voices raised in outrage over this blind adherence to 
the rules of the society would be just as upset if the BOD bent the 
rules as they saw fit. It's your choice folks: A BOD that sticks to the 
mandates set before them and doesn't deviate or a BOD that bends them as 
they see fit. How long would it be before people were outraged by the 
BOD deciding that they could bend a rule that people liked? I don't know 
the people on the BOD and I have no reason to blindly support them. 
However, I do know what it feels like to be hounded and vilified for 
trying to do the job that you were asked to do and following the rules 
to the letter. It sucks.  It causes people to decide that this body of 
people we call the society and the dream that goes along with it isn't 
fun after 18 years. You don't like the rule, change it! Get people 
active, ask for change, write intelligently worded letters explaining 
why it needs to be changed and suggest changes. So you are outraged, "So 
what?" Standing there whistling like a teakettle does nothing for 
anyone, get up and do something. Sit down and read corpora and pick out 
the sections you think might be a problem and try to find a different 
way of wording them to achieve a better end. Then submit your proposed 
changes. Will it work, who knows? Worth a shot. Will talking about 
tilting windmills ever bring them down? No. People complain about the 
"state of our society" all the time. Far fewer grab their lance mount 
their donkey and try to fix it.

BD
?


Taranach McLeod wrote:
> This is not directed to this poster specifically, it is merely the
> post that sparked the following:
>
> I would like to posit the following scenario if I may:
>     A crown tourney is held and various participants with valid
> memberships of varying renewal dates enter said tourney. There is no
> way of knowing who may win but we shall say the Sir Loin of Beef and
> his consort Lady Mignon have taken the day. Their membership will
> expire in three months so, having no internet, they send in their
> membership immediately via US Post. They have fulfilled the letter of
> the law.
>
> Meanwhile the Post office manages to lose things in it's inimitable
> fashion, and further Milpitas is well known for taking 6 weeks or
> longer to turn around a membership renewal. Under normal circumstances
> this would still not be a problem as our honorable nobles would notice
> that there cards had not arrived as the deadline draws near... but
> hark!! A tragic accident, a fire or a flood, perhaps something
> requiring hospitalization... a family thrown suddenly into turmoil.
> Suddenly small details that were supposedly "already taken care of"
> seem to slip the mind in the greater need of the family. Gamely they
> struggle on with their duties despite their problems.
>
> Not long after, things settle down and they realize that they STILL
> have not received their renewals even though they were sent in
> immediately after winning the tourney. They make an inquiry and
> discover to their horror that their membership has indeed lapsed... do
> they merely not mention the fact to anyone and try to quietly get
> things straightened out? No... They come forward and admit the error
> although the fault lies not with them. They do the honorable and
> chivalrous thing.
>
> Would the board have been keeping track of memberships for all royals
> and noticed this problem or would it need to be pointed out to them?
> What about the Kingdom Seneschal? What about any of the other kingdom
> officers? If any of them did notice and point this out to the BOD, who
> would be the ones to enforce this rule, Should not TRM's be notified
> BEFORE said membership expired so that they could attempt to resolve
> the issue?
>
> In the aforementioned scenarios, a dishonorable person could have
> probably passed unnoticed and gotten their memberships renewed without
> anyone knowing any different.
>
> Meanwhile an honest person who does the honorable and noble thing, is
> stripped of their crown, made to fight all over again to keep what
> they had already earned, an entire kingdom is thrown into turmoil, and
> a populace is appalled and moved to anger.
>
> If this sounds similar to what has already happened, remember that
> this could happen to anyone.
> The point being... Who stands to gain from each outcome? Has anyone
> benefited from the second outcome? Is adherence to the strictest
> interpretation of the rules, no matter what, worth EITHER of those
> possible outcomes?
>
> Disregarding the modern courts and interpretation of the laws of the
> land, was it not in period for those who ruled to occasionally bend
> the rules to allow clemency or even mercy in the rare extenuating
> circumstance?
>
> I submit that, if nothing else, this rule *really* needs to be
> modified before any further damage is done. I also submit that it
> should also be a responsibility of a kingdom's Legal officer, the
> seneschal, to insure that this type of thing does not happen again. If
> they are responsible for insuring that memberships are up to date
> PRIOR to participation in Crown Tournament, (as well as votes and
> other things) then they should also at least take an active role in
> making sure that their sovereigns memberships are current and
> forewarning them that it is about to expire in time for them to take
> action.
>
> Taranach
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>>  And yet, I can't help but remember that with
>>     
>>> honor comes responsibility. Making sure one has their membership
>>> renewed in a timely manner is not so onerous a burden.
>>> -Brianna
>>>
>>>       
>> And so why not make it a requirement that the winning combatant (and
>> consort) renew their membership  within a month of the win? Regardless
>> of when their membership would expire?  It gets it out of the way and
>> then wouldn't be something that anyone would have to think of  during
>> the entire reign.
>>
>> Just a thought,
>> Despina de la what a large can of worms
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From danielle at redfalconarmouries.com  Tue May 20 09:34:01 2008
From: danielle at redfalconarmouries.com (Julie Gunter)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:34:01 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO: Lost Ring at War Practice
Message-ID: <000001c8ba7e$2aadfbb0$6401a8c0@danielle>

If anyone found a little silver ring with a green/white swirly "stone" in
it, I would dearly love to have it back.  It isn't monetarily valuable, but
it was a gift from my 6 year old son and it means a lot to both him and I.

Thank you,
danielle




From ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net  Tue May 20 09:33:06 2008
From: ef-fex.b at worldnet.att.net (FRANK BENZ)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:33:06 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] stolen armor
Message-ID: <001c01c8ba7e$15e36990$1001a8c0@otter>

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org]
On Behalf Of Patti Allen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:34 AM
To: sca-middle at midrealm.org
Subject: [Mid] stolen armor

 

  

I just received this from one of my other lists.  Lets see if we can hlep
this gentleman find his armor if possible.

 

YIS
Lady Anushka

 

 

"Hello, this is Benedict from Thorngill. Our friend Michael Ward (Ian
Lowery) had his armor stolen from his car here in Montgomery on Mother's day
weekend. Missing are one pair legs, one pair arms, a metal gorget, a pair of
stainless pauldrons, an extra wide kidney belt and?a shirt of maille -
without sleeves. If you see these items for sale on Ebay or at you local
pawn shop, please alert the Tavern Yard. Ian is more interested in seeing
justice done, since he is working on replacing the armor as he is slowly
able to afford it.

Thanks to all of you on the Yard. It's too bad that the mundane world can't
be like us in the SCA.

Benedict Longsword of Monmouth"


From KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net  Tue May 20 09:38:46 2008
From: KaziBrionSCA at worldnet.att.net (KaziBrionSCA)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:38:46 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Peers vs regular members (RE: FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr
	and Tessa)
In-Reply-To: <g0tp22+fp63@eGroups.com>
References: <g0tp22+fp63@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <D39E50080FFD423585F47E2FB9CC5097@HomeOffice>

Lady Rose wrote:

<<Comments such as "peers vs. regular members"?  Just becuase I don't 
have a white belt, laurel, pelican or crown on my head does not make 
me or any of the others in the society, no matter at what level they 
choose to play this game, less than a peer.  >>

And how I wish you were right.  This, however, is an idealized view of the
organization.

As an example, let me contrast a brief incident which occurred nine years
ago.  I fought in the Valentine's Day Tourney at Three Bears, and suffered a
concussion due to excessive force blows.  One knight, who sat with me while
I was lying there on the table trying not to throw up, told me:

"I wouldn't complain about this, Kazi.  You are a woman fighter and you will
come across as 'not serious enough'". I saw the chirurgeons.  We went home.
We contemplated stopping by a hospital, but didn't. Few days later at home I
wrote a post to the Ironrose (a women fighter's list), complaining of
excessive force, naming no names.  What do you know, it leaked onto this
list and there was hell to pay.  How dare I accuse a knight of hitting too
hard, or another knight of exhorting others to "hit as hard as they can"?
How dare I complain about it - I did sign my waiver, didn't I?  

Then I vividly remember a time I was trying a new offside blow at a practice
against a knight.  That knight kept shield-punching me in the face.  I
called a hold and asked, "Do you realize you are hitting me in the face with
your shield?" and he stopped and said, "Yes - I thought if I start hitting
you with my shield, you'll stop hitting me with your basket hilt."  "It's a
new blow, I am sorry, I didn't realize I was hitting you with my basket
hilt", I said.  But you know, my hit with a basket hilt was accidental but
his hit with a shield was intentional.  Had it been the other way around,
there might have been an official sanction.  The way it played out, I just
popped my hat and got some cold water.  

Contrast these to Brion's case, where he, a non-knight, accidentally injured
a knight.  There was hell to pay.

Sorry folks, but we are an educational organization ruled by social clubs.
Either you are in, or you are out.  There is no real justice, because these
social clubs are run by people not experienced in things like justice.  They
mean well, but when push comes to a shove, it's looking out for their
"brothers".  

I feel a great sense of loss - I have lost my ideals in the SCA.  There is
no dream for me.  I now recognize that people will err and behave as mere
humans, and I guess that will have to suffice.  Unfortunately, the stress of
seeing gross injustice done, seeing the eyes closed and the ears stuffed
with gambeson padding over the last few months has taken a real toll on my
health.  This may well be my last post to this list. As much as I miss the
rich tapestry of the SCA, and many of you whom I count among my friends,
seeing these stupid, unjust things occur is so upsetting to me my blood
pressure is hard to control even with my brand-new blood pressure medicine
(yes...this is a new thing).  

I shall miss many of you, but I am sorry, you are not worth my health.  I
have daughters I want to see grow into adults.

Kazi




From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Tue May 20 09:38:52 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:38:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Distant Historical Facts
In-Reply-To: <8cbe09010805191948n66a55465tcc24e21915b2beae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cbe09010805191948n66a55465tcc24e21915b2beae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64554.209.195.147.252.1211290732.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
There may have been two separate incidents, then.  One of them was
definitely in the wintertime.  Because the people involved were active in
fandom (as well as the SCA), my mother (who was in SFWA at the time) also
read about it.
A guy in the East Kingdom that I used to know had been squired to one of
the people killed, which is how I had heard about it.  I was still living
with my parents at that point (it was over 2 decades ago), but I
*definitely* remember hearing the part about "You have to get a new slate
of officers quickly".  It could have been a case (since it was a different
kingdom from the East) of people either blowing stuff out of proportion,
not getting all the facts, or simply a case of "telephone" where details
get inadvertently changed.
Gee -- sort of like *this* incident. :-)
Thanks for your post.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net
> Greetings to my friends in AEthelmearc, from Christian d'Hiver, your
> servant now in Calontir.
>
> Lady Myfanwy, you've made an eloquent post, but I would like to
> preserve some facts from falling into legends:
>
> You wrote:
>> I also remember a case *many* years ago, (out in
>>  Calontir, I think), where the baron and baroness and several officers
>> were
>>  killed in a car wreck driving home from a kingdom Twelfth Night in an
>> ice
>>  storm. (This was sufficiently long ago that I'm pretty sure there's
>> been
>>  a *complete* turnover in the BoD makeup as well as Corporate officers
>> --
>>  if not more than one.) The official response at the time? "Wow, how
>>  terrible! That really sucks!" Then the rest of their barony was told
>>  that they had (IIRC) a month to put together a new slate of officers or
>> their group was being nuked. Forthwith.
>
> The event was Calontir's second Coronation, held in late summer of
> 1984, in the Barony of Three Rivers (St. Louis, Mo).  The baron,
> baroness, seneschal and herald of Coeur d'Ennui (Des Moines, Ia) were
> travelling together, and were struck by an oncoming truck.
>
> So far as I know, the outpouring of sympathy for the dead, their
> families, friends, and fellow Coeur d'Ennui members was sincere and
> heartfelt.  If there were any threats made, I didn't hear about them,
> and I was local to the incoming king and queen at the time.  I believe
> that Coeur d'Ennui may have been granted a hiatus from the
> responsibilities of a barony --which in Calontir at the time included
> monthly reports for some officers-- until they were ready to resume
> them.  In any case, Coeur d'Ennui eventually picked itself back up, a
> new baron and baroness were installed some months later, and the group
> has been a stalwart of northern Calontir ever since.
>
> Thank you for giving me the opportunity to set this record straight.
>
> --Christian d'Hiver
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From herantik at penn.com  Tue May 20 09:40:25 2008
From: herantik at penn.com (Rosita P. Pisarchick)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:40:25 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
Message-ID: <380-220085220134025812@penn.com>

Come on people, SCA is a game,.
You want to play the game, you follow the rules.
You don't like the rules or just forget to follow them, you're out.
Really simple.

No need to go on and on about this.
Sorry to be so blunt.

Hieronyma


> [Original Message]
> From: Daniel <dlightft at neo.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
> Date: 5/20/2008 9:19:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] Sad news from Lutr and Tessa
>
>
> My only response is "Prove it". I am not saying that this happened in 
> this situation, however in the hypothetical situation you described what 
> if it was never sent in the first place? They knew their membership was 
> coming due and they thought, "We need to do something about this." but 
> promptly forgot because of the debacle at the office. Then life happened 
> and things got forgotten about. Serious life, people got injured and 
> hospitals were involved so the SCA membership slipped their minds again. 
> So things settle and they realize they realize that it's too late to 
> mail in their renewal, and they have to mail it in because they don't 
> have internet in their home, their friends don't have internet in their 
> home, they don't have internet at work none of the local officers have 
> internet at home, the public library has no internet and there are no 
> internet cafe's in a 100 mile radius (it could happen I guess). So their 
> membership lapses and they say, "Our membership lapsed, we're very 
> sorry" as well they should. The BOD looks up in corpora and says, "Sorry 
> but the rule is, you are done". They could say, "The USPS lost it and 
> life happened we're sorry." Should we let it go? If so, why have the 
> rule at all? Why have the rule if a simple, unverifiable statement 
> absolves them of all problems.
> However in this situation we follow the rules. Now there is outrage! 
> Why? Most of the voices raised in outrage over this blind adherence to 
> the rules of the society would be just as upset if the BOD bent the 
> rules as they saw fit. It's your choice folks: A BOD that sticks to the 
> mandates set before them and doesn't deviate or a BOD that bends them as 
> they see fit. How long would it be before people were outraged by the 
> BOD deciding that they could bend a rule that people liked? I don't know 
> the people on the BOD and I have no reason to blindly support them. 
> However, I do know what it feels like to be hounded and vilified for 
> trying to do the job that you were asked to do and following the rules 
> to the letter. It sucks.  It causes people to decide that this body of 
> people we call the society and the dream that goes along with it isn't 
> fun after 18 years. You don't like the rule, change it! Get people 
> active, ask for change, write intelligently worded letters explaining 
> why it needs to be changed and suggest changes. So you are outraged, "So 
> what?" Standing there whistling like a teakettle does nothing for 
> anyone, get up and do something. Sit down and read corpora and pick out 
> the sections you think might be a problem and try to find a different 
> way of wording them to achieve a better end. Then submit your proposed 
> changes. Will it work, who knows? Worth a shot. Will talking about 
> tilting windmills ever bring them down? No. People complain about the 
> "state of our society" all the time. Far fewer grab their lance mount 
> their donkey and try to fix it.
>
> BD
> ?
>
>
> Taranach McLeod wrote:
> > This is not directed to this poster specifically, it is merely the
> > post that sparked the following:
> >
> > I would like to posit the following scenario if I may:
> >     A crown tourney is held and various participants with valid
> > memberships of varying renewal dates enter said tourney. There is no
> > way of knowing who may win but we shall say the Sir Loin of Beef and
> > his consort Lady Mignon have taken the day. Their membership will
> > expire in three months so, having no internet, they send in their
> > membership immediately via US Post. They have fulfilled the letter of
> > the law.
> >
> > Meanwhile the Post office manages to lose things in it's inimitable
> > fashion, and further Milpitas is well known for taking 6 weeks or
> > longer to turn around a membership renewal. Under normal circumstances
> > this would still not be a problem as our honorable nobles would notice
> > that there cards had not arrived as the deadline draws near... but
> > hark!! A tragic accident, a fire or a flood, perhaps something
> > requiring hospitalization... a family thrown suddenly into turmoil.
> > Suddenly small details that were supposedly "already taken care of"
> > seem to slip the mind in the greater need of the family. Gamely they
> > struggle on with their duties despite their problems.
> >
> > Not long after, things settle down and they realize that they STILL
> > have not received their renewals even though they were sent in
> > immediately after winning the tourney. They make an inquiry and
> > discover to their horror that their membership has indeed lapsed... do
> > they merely not mention the fact to anyone and try to quietly get
> > things straightened out? No... They come forward and admit the error
> > although the fault lies not with them. They do the honorable and
> > chivalrous thing.
> >
> > Would the board have been keeping track of memberships for all royals
> > and noticed this problem or would it need to be pointed out to them?
> > What about the Kingdom Seneschal? What about any of the other kingdom
> > officers? If any of them did notice and point this out to the BOD, who
> > would be the ones to enforce this rule, Should not TRM's be notified
> > BEFORE said membership expired so that they could attempt to resolve
> > the issue?
> >
> > In the aforementioned scenarios, a dishonorable person could have
> > probably passed unnoticed and gotten their memberships renewed without
> > anyone knowing any different.
> >
> > Meanwhile an honest person who does the honorable and noble thing, is
> > stripped of their crown, made to fight all over again to keep what
> > they had already earned, an entire kingdom is thrown into turmoil, and
> > a populace is appalled and moved to anger.
> >
> > If this sounds similar to what has already happened, remember that
> > this could happen to anyone.
> > The point being... Who stands to gain from each outcome? Has anyone
> > benefited from the second outcome? Is adherence to the strictest
> > interpretation of the rules, no matter what, worth EITHER of those
> > possible outcomes?
> >
> > Disregarding the modern courts and interpretation of the laws of the
> > land, was it not in period for those who ruled to occasionally bend
> > the rules to allow clemency or even mercy in the rare extenuating
> > circumstance?
> >
> > I submit that, if nothing else, this rule *really* needs to be
> > modified before any further damage is done. I also submit that it
> > should also be a responsibility of a kingdom's Legal officer, the
> > seneschal, to insure that this type of thing does not happen again. If
> > they are responsible for insuring that memberships are up to date
> > PRIOR to participation in Crown Tournament, (as well as votes and
> > other things) then they should also at least take an active role in
> > making sure that their sovereigns memberships are current and
> > forewarning them that it is about to expire in time for them to take
> > action.
> >
> > Taranach
> >
> > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >   
> >>  And yet, I can't help but remember that with
> >>     
> >>> honor comes responsibility. Making sure one has their membership
> >>> renewed in a timely manner is not so onerous a burden.
> >>> -Brianna
> >>>
> >>>       
> >> And so why not make it a requirement that the winning combatant (and
> >> consort) renew their membership  within a month of the win? Regardless
> >> of when their membership would expire?  It gets it out of the way and
> >> then wouldn't be something that anyone would have to think of  during
> >> the entire reign.
> >>
> >> Just a thought,
> >> Despina de la what a large can of worms
> >>
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From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Tue May 20 09:56:02 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:56:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] stolen armor
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Greetings from Myfanwy!
Another place to check (depending on whether or not most of the armor
pieces were metal) would be scrap yards.
There have been numerous cases, here in the Pittsburgh area, in which
copper piping is stolen out of vacant houses (I just read about another
case yesterday, in the next town over from where I live) and sold to scrap
and metal recycling places.  I don't know what other metals have risen in
price the way copper has, but it's definitely worth looking into.
Additionally, several years ago, I saw a story on _CBS Sunday Morning_
about a place that buys and resells items lost on airlines that is never
claimed.  One of the items shown in the story looked like a Japanese-style
helm (which sure looked list-legal to my untrained eye).  I posted to this
list, and asked that the message be posted to other lists as well.  I
don't know if anyone else saw the story (it was replayed a while back) and
recognized the helm, or if anyone knows whose helm it was.  Although I
would think that someone would have *noticed* if their helm didn't get
home from the War....
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net

>
> From: owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org [mailto:owner-sca-middle at midrealm.org]
> On Behalf Of Patti Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:34 AM
> To: sca-middle at midrealm.org
> Subject: [Mid] stolen armor
>
>
>
>
>
> I just received this from one of my other lists.  Lets see if we can hlep
> this gentleman find his armor if possible.
>
>
>
> YIS
> Lady Anushka
>
>
>
>
>
> "Hello, this is Benedict from Thorngill. Our friend Michael Ward (Ian
> Lowery) had his armor stolen from his car here in Montgomery on Mother's
> day
> weekend. Missing are one pair legs, one pair arms, a metal gorget, a pair
> of
> stainless pauldrons, an extra wide kidney belt and?a shirt of maille -
> without sleeves. If you see these items for sale on Ebay or at you local
> pawn shop, please alert the Tavern Yard. Ian is more interested in seeing
> justice done, since he is working on replacing the armor as he is slowly
> able to afford it.
>
> Thanks to all of you on the Yard. It's too bad that the mundane world
> can't
> be like us in the SCA.
>
> Benedict Longsword of Monmouth"
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From scalongbow at windstream.net  Tue May 20 10:12:18 2008
From: scalongbow at windstream.net (Gwilym)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:12:18 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE]  Sad news ending
In-Reply-To: <380-220085220134025812@penn.com>
References: <380-220085220134025812@penn.com>
Message-ID: <4832DC42.5080702@windstream.net>


Speaking from the viewpoint of someone who has been
on both sides of a similar situation.  This now needs to be put to
rest. Having many people air their particular gripes does
not serve any good. So give it a rest folks.

A situation happened, a solution has been put into place,
and time will serve those directly affected. Enough.
Find something productive to do.

Master Baron Gwilym


From greenstein at earthlink.net  Tue May 20 10:44:58 2008
From: greenstein at earthlink.net (Michael B. Greenstein)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Sad news ending
Message-ID: <1801116.1211294699360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Find something productive to do.

I agree, with one proviso: writing to the BoD with your concerns and suggestions might be classed as a productive activity.  Make yourself heard by those who have the authority to effect change, if they are given reason to do so.

- Michael

From delacroi29 at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 11:38:42 2008
From: delacroi29 at yahoo.com (m.allen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Signet seeking THL Tindal
In-Reply-To: <1801116.1211294699360.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <362125.59290.qm@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good morning,

If Tindal does not subscribe to this list, could someone fwd
this to him?

thanks in advance,
Antoinette 


"Be the change you want to see in the world."
-Gandhi


      

From caryl at faerhaga.org  Tue May 20 11:53:21 2008
From: caryl at faerhaga.org (Caryl Biel)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:53:21 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
Message-ID: <200805201553.m4KFrU6W004256@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu>

The dairy that produced the chocolate milk for the Cooper's store is no more.

From de_labarre at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 11:59:23 2008
From: de_labarre at yahoo.com (Eric France)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:59:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
Message-ID: <189858.33668.qm@web33603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

*moment of silent grieving*

 Eric



----- Original Message ----
From: Caryl Biel <caryl at faerhaga.org>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:53:21 AM
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative

The dairy that produced the chocolate milk for the Cooper's store is no more.

From amyheilveil at gmail.com  Tue May 20 12:02:32 2008
From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:02:32 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
In-Reply-To: <200805201553.m4KFrU6W004256@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <200805201553.m4KFrU6W004256@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <9e8e32f00805200902x778b7b3crfe59bf108234a4e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Caryl Biel <caryl at faerhaga.org> wrote:
> The dairy that produced the chocolate milk for the Cooper's store is no more.


Whatever will happen without the chocolate milk over which to battle?
Will the War finally end?

Despina de la mournful

PS    er... that was the point of the War, right? who got control over
the chocolate milk?

From yngvar at faerhaga.org  Tue May 20 12:09:39 2008
From: yngvar at faerhaga.org (Yngvar the Dismal)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:09:39 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Signet seeking THL Tindal
Message-ID: <200805201609.m4KG9wit009453@mx2.andrew.cmu.edu>

I have fwd

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:38 AM
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Subject: [SCA-AE] Signet seeking THL Tindal

Good morning,

If Tindal does not subscribe to this list, could someone fwd
this to him?

thanks in advance,
Antoinette 


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-Gandhi


      
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From sunshadow at twcny.rr.com  Tue May 20 12:30:07 2008
From: sunshadow at twcny.rr.com (F. Page Steinhardt)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:30:07 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
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	<9e8e32f00805200902x778b7b3crfe59bf108234a4e1@mail.gmail.com>
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<engage time warp, tongue firmly in cheek>

HRM of the Mid: "My brother East, you have this wondrous chocolate 
elixir on the marches of the land we have been debating the claim of, I 
and my mighty army will defeat your army and claim this bounteous elixir 
for the Kingdom of the Dragon"

HRM East: "We shall meet you in the marches of the marshes and end this 
debate once and for all! We shall claim this mystical milk for the 
Kingdom of the Tyger!"

HRM Mid: "Let us call this the Pennsic war, Hmmmmm it won't look good in 
the annals of history if it is recorded that we were fighting over who 
gets the chocolate milk, lets tell the scrives that this is actually 
about the land upon which the milk is produced"

HRM East: "Let it be written so, we shall meet upon the field of battle 
.  Hey I brought a bottle of that chocolate milk with me, want to split it?"

HRM Mid: "Thank you Your Majesty, I brought a bottle to share as well"

</timewarp>

The above parody is strictly satire, no disrespect or offense intended
to any of the abovementioned parties,

-Thorpe

Amy Heilveil wrote:

> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Caryl Biel <caryl at faerhaga.org> wrote:
> 
>>The dairy that produced the chocolate milk for the Cooper's store is no more.
> 
> 
> 
> Whatever will happen without the chocolate milk over which to battle?
> Will the War finally end?
> 
> Despina de la mournful
> 
> PS    er... that was the point of the War, right? who got control over
> the chocolate milk?
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From amyheilveil at gmail.com  Tue May 20 12:37:24 2008
From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:37:24 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
In-Reply-To: <4832FC8F.6050605@twcny.rr.com>
References: <200805201553.m4KFrU6W004256@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu>
	<9e8e32f00805200902x778b7b3crfe59bf108234a4e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4832FC8F.6050605@twcny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <9e8e32f00805200937m4df2bea1m7e65c616518b84e1@mail.gmail.com>

> The above parody is strictly satire, no disrespect or offense intended
> to any of the abovementioned parties,
>
> -Thorpe

OOOOOO, you've read the "Secret Book of How the Pennsic War Really Started" too?

Despina de la it's really just a small pamphlet

From biotta at worldnet.att.net  Tue May 20 12:43:39 2008
From: biotta at worldnet.att.net (MARY BENZ)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:43:39 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
In-Reply-To: <9e8e32f00805200902x778b7b3crfe59bf108234a4e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c8ba98$a8237330$1001a8c0@otter>

Let us not mourn for the loss of our beloved chocolate milk, but let us use
this as a chance for a new A&S themed competition. Everyone come up with
their version of the god drink and have a tasting to find the one closest to
the original. And you can't have milk without cookies, so others could bring
cookies to sample as well.  It could be "The Great Milk & Cookies Taste
Off"!  Just think of the variety to choose from. MMMmmmmmm.......

Biotta 



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Heilveil
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:03 PM
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Caryl Biel <caryl at faerhaga.org> wrote:
> The dairy that produced the chocolate milk for the Cooper's store is no
more.


Whatever will happen without the chocolate milk over which to battle?
Will the War finally end?

Despina de la mournful

PS    er... that was the point of the War, right? who got control over
the chocolate milk?
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From lynette.vybiral at gmail.com  Tue May 20 13:08:01 2008
From: lynette.vybiral at gmail.com (Lynette Vybiral)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:08:01 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] FW: [Mid] stolen armor
Message-ID: <76d24a770805201008p54271476g25f423847c6e50ad@mail.gmail.com>

"One of the items shown in the story looked like a Japanese-style helm
(which sure looked list-legal to my untrained eye).  I posted to this list,
and asked that the message be posted to other lists as well.  I don't know
if anyone else saw the story (it was replayed a while back) and recognized
the helm, or if anyone knows whose helm it was.  Although I would think that
someone would have *noticed* if their helm didn't get home from the War...."

Yes, when we lived in Atlanta, Delta ran over (it's the only possible way
the helm couldn've been damaged) this helm and then disputed the replacement
value, told us they couldn't give us the helm back until it was resolved,
then proceeded to "lose" the helm, which we later saw in this news story.

Except for the fact that the helm now only fit a squished head, it was still
list legal.

:)  Caellin

From myfanwy at nauticom.net  Tue May 20 13:21:50 2008
From: myfanwy at nauticom.net (myfanwy at nauticom.net)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:21:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Pennsic crack (was Re:  Tragedy is relative)
In-Reply-To: <001e01c8ba98$a8237330$1001a8c0@otter>
References: <001e01c8ba98$a8237330$1001a8c0@otter>
Message-ID: <64834.209.195.147.252.1211304110.squirrel@webmail.nauticom.net>

Greetings from Myfanwy!
I won't particularly mourn it.  Alastar couldn't manage a day without it
at Pennsic, but personally I couldn't drink the stuff, or at least not
more than a sip -- it was just way too rich. (Okay, I'm probably a mutant,
but still....)
Ironically, if you went directly to the dairy, it was cheaper than from
the Cooper's store.
Lady Myfanwy ferch Rhiannon
Ruth Morrisson
myfanwy at nauticom.net

> Let us not mourn for the loss of our beloved chocolate milk, but let us
> use
> this as a chance for a new A&S themed competition. Everyone come up with
> their version of the god drink and have a tasting to find the one closest
> to
> the original. And you can't have milk without cookies, so others could
> bring
> cookies to sample as well.  It could be "The Great Milk & Cookies Taste
> Off"!  Just think of the variety to choose from. MMMmmmmmm.......
>
> Biotta
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
> [mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of Amy
> Heilveil
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:03 PM
> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Caryl Biel <caryl at faerhaga.org> wrote:
>> The dairy that produced the chocolate milk for the Cooper's store is no
> more.
>
>
> Whatever will happen without the chocolate milk over which to battle?
> Will the War finally end?
>
> Despina de la mournful
>
> PS    er... that was the point of the War, right? who got control over
> the chocolate milk?
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From greyraven315 at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 14:24:54 2008
From: greyraven315 at yahoo.com (Lady Giovanna DaNapoli)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
In-Reply-To: <9e8e32f00805200937m4df2bea1m7e65c616518b84e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <184450.14691.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

First "They" change the dates, so now I have to find something else to do on my wedding anniversary, NOW......
   
  No MOre Pennsic "Crack"!!!!!! What is this world coming to? When will it end? What will we drink? How do we survive this last blow to our taste buds?
   
  A Love Like This Is Never Forgotten. Now let's pray "They" don't drop the other shoe.
   
  Amen.
   
  Peace with you, and the great memory that was the milk.
   
  As Always,
   
  Lady Giovanna Antonia DaNapoli
  Casa Sopra La Argenteo Corvi
  Guida La Spada
  Drinker of the "Crack"

Amy Heilveil <amyheilveil at gmail.com> wrote:
  > The above parody is strictly satire, no disrespect or offense intended
> to any of the abovementioned parties,
>
> -Thorpe

OOOOOO, you've read the "Secret Book of How the Pennsic War Really Started" too?

Despina de la it's really just a small pamphlet
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From meyer_rm at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 14:28:15 2008
From: meyer_rm at yahoo.com (Robert Meyer)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:28:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
Message-ID: <320200.91067.qm@web53812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just a strange question:  Does anyone out there have a Fisher's bottle with the label still on it?  More specifically, is there an ingredient list on it that we can use to compare and maybe give to one of the other dairies around the area to maybe get them to be able to replicate the formula?   I'm willing to bet that, considering how much sells at Pennsic and War Practice, they might be willing to make a special run of the stuff for us.

Of course, this will require some trial and error with someone heading up a tasting committee to validate the recipe when it's complete...  Is there such a thing as a chocolate milk Laurel?  Could this level of service to the Society qualify someone for a Laurel? (tongue firmly in cheek).

Cheers!

Robert l'?tourdi

 --
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."
--Leonardo da Vinci



----- Original Message ----
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To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:59:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative

*moment of silent grieving*

Eric



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To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:53:21 AM
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative

The dairy that produced the chocolate milk for the Cooper's store is no more.
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From scale at ma.rr.com  Tue May 20 14:33:12 2008
From: scale at ma.rr.com (Samuel Cale IV)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:33:12 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
In-Reply-To: <320200.91067.qm@web53812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <320200.91067.qm@web53812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Robert Meyer wrote:
> Just a strange question:  Does anyone out there have a Fisher's bottle with the label still on it?  More specifically, is there an ingredient list on it that we can use to compare and maybe give to one of the other dairies around the area to maybe get them to be able to replicate the formula?   I'm willing to bet that, considering how much sells at Pennsic and War Practice, they might be willing to make a special run of the stuff for us.
>
> Of course, this will require some trial and error with someone heading up a tasting committee to validate the recipe when it's complete...  Is there such a thing as a chocolate milk Laurel?  Could this level of service to the Society qualify someone for a Laurel? (tongue firmly in cheek).
>
> Cheers!
>
> Robert l'?tourdi
>
>  --
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."
> --Leonardo da Vinci
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
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> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:59:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
>
> *moment of silent grieving*
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
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> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
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>   
One of my guys made some chocolate milk after war a couple years ago 
that tasted about the same.  It was whole milk with about 1/4 heavy 
cream mixed in and chocolate syrup.  At least it would take the edge of 
the chocolate milk addiction that had formed at Pennsic that year.

Gareth

From ennoguent at gmail.com  Tue May 20 15:50:51 2008
From: ennoguent at gmail.com (Enn)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:50:51 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
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	<48331968.1050603@ma.rr.com>
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Rosenbergers is pretty close in composition, to my taste buds.
http://www.rosenbergers.com/ I wonder if they're close enough to
bother delivering to Coopers Lake?

Enn.

-- 
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Steffan ap Kennydd

From calvertdegrey at msn.com  Tue May 20 16:06:58 2008
From: calvertdegrey at msn.com (Rich G)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:06:58 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
In-Reply-To: <ca785840805201250s300eb6e0tc18d98c77b399359@mail.gmail.com>
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>Rosenbergers is pretty close in composition, to my taste buds.
>http://www.rosenbergers.com/ I wonder if they're close enough to
>bother delivering to Coopers Lake?

I doubt it. They're in Montgomery country on the opposite end of the state.



Rich Goranson (Lord Stephan Calvert deGrey)
Amherst, NY, USA (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, ?thelmearc)

"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life" - 
Henry II of England



From miladybc at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 16:15:32 2008
From: miladybc at yahoo.com (B. Legander-Woods)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:15:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Sad news ending
In-Reply-To: <4832DC42.5080702@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <511218.94893.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hear, hear!!!!
   
  Basimah Ullahkhan
  Barony of Blackstone Mountain, AE

Gwilym <scalongbow at windstream.net> wrote:
  
Speaking from the viewpoint of someone who has been
on both sides of a similar situation. This now needs to be put to
rest. Having many people air their particular gripes does
not serve any good. So give it a rest folks.

A situation happened, a solution has been put into place,
and time will serve those directly affected. Enough.
Find something productive to do.

Master Baron Gwilym

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From wanderingpixie at livejournal.com  Tue May 20 16:15:30 2008
From: wanderingpixie at livejournal.com (Erin Childs)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:15:30 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
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On 5/20/08, Enn <ennoguent at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rosenbergers is pretty close in composition, to my taste buds.
> http://www.rosenbergers.com/ I wonder if they're close enough to
> bother delivering to Coopers Lake?

Someone in Pittsburgh said that Brunton's
(http://bruntondairy.com/brunton_about_us.php) is also similar.  They
already have places selling their stuff up in the Butler area.

-Ailis

From elady1 at suddenlink.net  Tue May 20 16:43:49 2008
From: elady1 at suddenlink.net (Liz Orwig)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:43:49 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] boot maker at last Pennsic
Message-ID: <20080520204354.KHZZ1480.omta02.suddenlink.net@goliath.suddenlink.net>

         Greetings.

There was a new bootmaker at Pennsic last year. They were in the back 
corner of the huge rental tent in the area up by the barn.  The tent 
was across from the booksellers.  I picked up a flier and now cannot 
find it. I have googled  "boots" "period sca boots" "period boots" 
"lace up boots" and dug through 55 pages plus of each one... no 
luck.  Last year was their first year and they had hopes of making it 
again this year.

The style was a lot like Turtle Island but they had better arch 
support.  If anyone knows who these folks are, could you please 
contact me off list and send me a website link or something?  Email 
is below. I thank you

Erzebet



*Note new email:  elady1 at suddenlink.net*

Liz/Erzebet/Midge

"Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake 
in the day to find out it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are 
dangerous, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible."
T. E. Lawrence - Lawrence of Arabia 


From masterhogge at godecookery.com  Tue May 20 20:52:49 2008
From: masterhogge at godecookery.com (Master Hogge de Watlynge)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:52:49 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
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My understanding of this is that the milk was made using pasteurized, but 
not homogenized milk, flavored with Nestles Chocolate syrup. This bit of 
knowledge was given to me by Mrs. Fisher herself a few years ago. (I used to 
merchant their milk in the EK and developed a friendly relationship with 
them.)

Huen (aka Hogge)

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From: Samuel Cale IV
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative


Robert Meyer wrote:
> Just a strange question:  Does anyone out there have a Fisher's bottle 
> with the label still on it?  More specifically, is there an ingredient 
> list on it that we can use to compare and maybe give to one of the other 
> dairies around the area to maybe get them to be able to replicate the 
> formula?   I'm willing to bet that, considering how much sells at Pennsic 
> and War Practice, they might be willing to make a special run of the stuff 
> for us.
>
> Of course, this will require some trial and error with someone heading up 
> a tasting committee to validate the recipe when it's complete...  Is there 
> such a thing as a chocolate milk Laurel?  Could this level of service to 
> the Society qualify someone for a Laurel? (tongue firmly in cheek).
>
> Cheers!
>
> Robert l'?tourdi 


From caleb at buffnet.net  Tue May 20 22:44:50 2008
From: caleb at buffnet.net (J C Ronsen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:44:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <2008520224450.833616@workstation>

Let the Known World tremble, for AEthelmearc has a new archery 
champion. On the 17th of May, foul Pictsies invaded our Sylvan 
Kingdom. Five archers were chosen to defend our lands: Muirghein 
Gealbhain, Alana Griffin, Bjorn Bunhauss Olafsson, Deryk the Archer 
and Constantine of Clan Blackhart. Swift were their arrows and soon 
all of the invaders were slain, and a new champion was chosen. 

Let the enemies of AEthelmearc cower in fear, for THL Constantine of 
Clan Blackhart is the new King's Archery Champion of fair AEthelmearc.




ska: Baron Caleb Reynolds
mka: Caleb Ronsen
aka: Bubba th' Barbarian
Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
Inventor of the stainless steel pinata.
http://www.buffnet.net/~caleb/caleb.htm

"Hah! I got that ten pin down!" said Tom sparingly.





From corwin at swordandmug.us  Wed May 21 07:10:49 2008
From: corwin at swordandmug.us (Mont Bowser)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 07:10:49 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
References: <320200.91067.qm@web53812.mail.re2.yahoo.com><48331968.1050603@ma.rr.com>
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The PDA shut down Fisher Farms listing a concern about Listeria 
contamination in the milk.
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS240785+12-Mar-2008+PRN20080312
They have apparently been issuing reports to create a widespread scares for 
raw milk farm products in each local area in this fashion.

The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund website has given a bit of a 
different story on the situation that Fisher Farms and other raw milk farms 
have been experiencing in Pennsylvania.  In a nutshell, they describe a PDA 
official with being a megalomaniac and attempting to shut down raw milk farm 
distribution in the state with trumped up charges.  It is amazing that with 
so many genuine problems needing to be addressed that the government is 
wasting so much time, money, and manpower to attack farmers seeking to make 
an honest living.

You can read more about the situation from the perspective of the FtCLDF 
here:
http://www.ftcldf.org/aa-03may2008.html

They ask for those concerned to write to Pennsylvania State Representatives 
and Senators and give info how to contact them.  If concerned individuals at 
Pennsic chose to write, that would be a massive influx of support for Fisher 
Farms and other raw milk farmers in Pennsylvania.

Corwin 


From maricelt at gmail.com  Wed May 21 12:48:53 2008
From: maricelt at gmail.com (Marie Stewart)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:48:53 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] For clothing researchers. Janet Arnold book announced.
Message-ID: <72adc2660805210948x14768126p8a0b89215e51746f@mail.gmail.com>

For everyone who has been waiting patiently, and not so patiently :>

It is listed on Amazon UK.

Patterns of Fashion: Cut and Construction of Linen Shirts, Smocks,
Neck and Headwear, Etc., C. 1540-1665 No. 4 (Paperback)
by Janet Arnold (Author)

Availability: This title has not yet been released. You may order it
now and we will ship it to you when it arrives. Dispatched from and
sold by Amazon.co.uk.   Anticipated release is November 08.   Just in
time for the holidays.

Bridgette

From threecs at zoominternet.net  Tue May 20 18:56:52 2008
From: threecs at zoominternet.net (John and Tammy Crawford)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:56:52 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
Message-ID: <29976.1211324212@zoominternet.net>

 

	While I too enjoyed the Pennsic Crack...I never really had to
'jones' for it? We have a local dairy that produces a wonderful
chocolate milk....only 15 minutes from the Pittsburgh Airport. I am
fortunate to have it delivered to my home once a week. The name of
the dairy is Brunton's. They have been around for nearly 175 years.
And it is quite possible that you have had it in the Pittsburgh Area.
Take a look and see if you stop at any of these places... 
 http://bruntondairy.com/brunton_find_a_store.php [1] 

	Maestra Tomasia


Links:
------
[1] http://bruntondairy.com/brunton_find_a_store.php

From roberttheherald at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 14:11:42 2008
From: roberttheherald at yahoo.com (Robert Oconnor)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:11:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] War of the Roses
Message-ID: <710854.21576.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Are any fighter of AEthelmearc going to this grand event in the 
Barony of Concordia of the Snows in the kingdom of the East ? 
It just acrosst the border in Albany, NY, and the weather looks good.

YIS
Lord Robert O'Connor



From SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com  Wed May 21 16:13:09 2008
From: SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com (FaCS)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:13:09 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] =?iso-8859-1?q?War_of_the_Roses?=
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I will, and I think that Duke Sir Morguhn and Duchess Rowan are - they had 
it up as a household fighter practice event.
It's only 20 miles from my house (and I live in Aethelmearc, just about on 
the NYS Thruway).  It isn't bery far from Binghantom, either.   I'm sitting 
here , trying to figure out the logistics of getting the pavillions they are 
borrowing from me, to them, for setup tomorrow.

And the weather is supposed to be great, clear, with 70s and 80s..
Rowena

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>
> Are any fighter of AEthelmearc going to this grand event in the
> Barony of Concordia of the Snows in the kingdom of the East ?
> It just acrosst the border in Albany, NY, and the weather looks good.
>
> YIS
> Lord Robert O'Connor
>
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From l_elfgiva at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 18:07:57 2008
From: l_elfgiva at yahoo.com (Gretchen Falkenburg)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:07:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
Message-ID: <157388.87955.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please good Gentles, let us lament our fate and at the same time, move on in spite of this blow to our senses to all things Kingdom
   
  In Service
  Aelfgifu

       

From SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com  Wed May 21 21:08:56 2008
From: SleepyUnicorn at roadrunner.com (FaCS)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:08:56 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] =?iso-8859-1?q?War_of_the_Roses?=
Message-ID: <801BA2545ACA415385C68C0135198C2D@pb1bf388cb68bb>

I goofed - there was a change in plans that didn't make it to the local 
list.   Duke Sir Morguhn and Duchess Sir Rowan will be at a graduation 
party, not at War of Roses, on Saturday.
> And the weather is supposed to be great, clear, with 70s and 80s..
> Rowena
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Oconnor" <roberttheherald at yahoo.com>

> Subject: [SCA-AE] War of the Roses
>
>> Are any fighter of AEthelmearc going to this grand event in the
>> Barony of Concordia of the Snows in the kingdom of the East ?
>> It just acrosst the border in Albany, NY, and the weather looks good.


From bradb at micro-link.net  Wed May 21 22:16:59 2008
From: bradb at micro-link.net (Brad Boda d'Aylward)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:16:59 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
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Nope. No special runs for us. They dropped their bottling liscence and the
FDA would hang 'em from the rafters if they tried it.

Brad


Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative


Just a strange question:  Does anyone out there have a Fisher's bottle with
the label still on it?  More specifically, is there an ingredient list on it
that we can use to compare and maybe give to one of the other dairies around
the area to maybe get them to be able to replicate the formula?   I'm
willing to bet that, considering how much sells at Pennsic and War Practice,
they might be willing to make a special run of the stuff for us.

Cheers!

Robert l'?tourdi



From bradb at micro-link.net  Wed May 21 22:20:01 2008
From: bradb at micro-link.net (Brad Boda d'Aylward)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:20:01 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative
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Coopers has two other bottling companies providing choc. milk which I tried
at War Practice this weekend past. The darker of the two is 'close' to the
Pennsic Crack we've all come to be addicted, .... er... love.

Brad


Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Tragedy is relative


> Rosenbergers is pretty close in composition, to my taste buds.
> http://www.rosenbergers.com/ I wonder if they're close enough to
> bother delivering to Coopers Lake?
>
> Enn.
>


From salley at klaatu.canisius.edu  Thu May 22 02:47:18 2008
From: salley at klaatu.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 02:47:18 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Medieval battle is joust what Kristina wanted
Message-ID: <200805220647.m4M6lIq10420@klaatu.canisius.edu>


This was just too cute not to share...
http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2008/05/22/medieval-battle-is-joust-what-kristina-wanted-65233-20945649/

-- Dagonell

From katrinaofyork at frontiernet.net  Thu May 22 11:05:59 2008
From: katrinaofyork at frontiernet.net (Katrina)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:05:59 -0700
Subject: [SCA-AE] Medieval battle is joust what Kristina wanted
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This is wonderful! Thanks for sharing.
Katrina

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This was just too cute not to share...
http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2008/05/22/medieval-ba
ttle-is-joust-what-kristina-wanted-65233-20945649/

-- Dagonell
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From tigranes at nep.net  Thu May 22 08:20:27 2008
From: tigranes at nep.net (Tim Button)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:20:27 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS:  Tragedy is relative
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Greetings from Tigranes,

I've always found a twinge of evil amusement whenever this  subject is 
brought up, with all those who swear undying devotion to this product. 
This amusement comes from my knowlege of the real story of chocolate milk.

Commercially bottled chocolate milk starts out as regular milk on the store 
shelves.  When milk reaches it's "sell by" date, it's sent back to the 
creamery.  The expired milk is then repasturized, mixed with some fresh 
milk, and chocolate flavor added to cover the possible "off" flavor from the 
expired milk.  Then bottled and shipped for sale.

I have this info directly from a former Dairylea processing chemist, so it 
is not urban legend.  I emphsize that the milk is NOT spoiled or unsafe. 
But I always wonder how many of the Pennsic ambrosia enthusiasts have 
reached to the back of the milk cooler in the store because the bottles in 
the front were too close to the "sell by" date (I know I have, but I don't 
like chocolate milk).

I know this won't deter any of the addicted.  I just wanted to tell why I'll 
always have a wry grin on my face whenever I hear folk sing the praises for 
chocolate milk.

Yours,

Baron Tigranes of Bezabde



From herantik at penn.com  Thu May 22 08:27:29 2008
From: herantik at penn.com (Rosita P. Pisarchick)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:27:29 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Medieval battle is joust what Kristina wanted
Message-ID: <380-220085422122729171@penn.com>

Very, very cute.
This story brings me back many years, to when my lord Lodin and I were in
England in the 80s. We went to watch the jousting at Beauvoir Castle. We
still have a great video of it. You know, one of those ancient ones filmed
with a big fat video camera.
And we visited Warwick Castle also, and many other British castles.
This was way before we joined the SCA.
The things you do when you are overseas for a few years!!

Hieronyma


> [Original Message]
> From: David Salley <salley at klaatu.canisius.edu>
> To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
> Date: 5/22/2008 2:50:00 AM
> Subject: [SCA-AE] Medieval battle is joust what Kristina wanted
>
>
> This was just too cute not to share...
>
http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2008/05/22/medieval-ba
ttle-is-joust-what-kristina-wanted-65233-20945649/
>
> -- Dagonell
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From thegeorg at stny.rr.com  Thu May 22 08:32:52 2008
From: thegeorg at stny.rr.com (georg)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:32:52 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS:  Tragedy is relative
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Tim Button wrote:
> 
> 
> I have this info directly from a former Dairylea processing chemist, so it 
> is not urban legend.  I emphsize that the milk is NOT spoiled or unsafe. 
> But I always wonder how many of the Pennsic ambrosia enthusiasts have 
> reached to the back of the milk cooler in the store because the bottles in 
> the front were too close to the "sell by" date (I know I have, but I don't 
> like chocolate milk).

I think this may be true for Dairylea or some of the larger companies- 
but I would posit that what makes the Pennsic milk so good was that it 
was using whole milk (not 2% like you normally find in the grocery 
stores) and was not using the "recycled" milk.

-george

From bataarsogdo at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 09:33:54 2008
From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com (ron kummer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:33:54 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS:  Tragedy is relative
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The chocolate milk that fisher's dairy sold was raw milk. That is milk that is not pasturized. That's why it tasted so good. That is part of the reason it is not being sold anymore. 
Check out these links;The PDA shut down Fisher Farms listing a concern about Listeria contamination in the milk.http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS240785+12-Mar-2008+PRN20080312
http://www.ftcldf.org/aa-03may2008.html
 
Bataar"Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it"> From: tigranes at nep.net> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:20:27 -0400> Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative> > Greetings from Tigranes,> > I've always found a twinge of evil amusement whenever this subject is > brought up, with all those who swear undying devotion to this product. > This amusement comes from my knowlege of the real story of chocolate milk.> > Commercially bottled chocolate milk starts out as regular milk on the store > shelves. When milk reaches it's "sell by" date, it's sent back to the > creamery. The expired milk is then repasturized, mixed with some fresh > milk, and chocolate flavor added to cover the possible "off" flavor from the > expired milk. Then bottled and shipped for sale.> > I have this info directly from a former Dairylea processing chemist, so it > is not urban legend. I emphsize that the milk is NOT spoiled or unsafe. > But I always wonder how many of the Pennsic ambrosia enthusiasts have > reached to the back of the milk cooler in the store because the bottles in > the front were too close to the "sell by" date (I know I have, but I don't > like chocolate milk).> > I know this won't deter any of the addicted. I just wanted to tell why I'll > always have a wry grin on my face whenever I hear folk sing the praises for > chocolate milk.> > Yours,> > Baron Tigranes of Bezabde> > > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From tigranes at nep.net  Thu May 22 09:35:22 2008
From: tigranes at nep.net (Tim Button)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:35:22 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS:  Tragedy is relative
In-Reply-To: <483567F4.7090102@stny.rr.com>
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Greetings from Tigranes,

What is called whole milk by the dairy industy and  in the stores contains 
4% milkfat, and then goes to 2%, 1% and "nonfat" (skim) milk.  I grew up on 
a dairy farm, drinking raw milk drawn directly from the  bulk tank (and 
before that, the milk cans).  My older sister still sometimes shakes the 
milk jug from the habit that dates back to the unhomogonized milk we had. 
In a two quart jar, there would be an inch or two of separated cream on the 
top.  No company would market a product with that high of cream content.

Milk after the "sell by" date is sent back to the creameries for 
reprocessing.  Some is used in making of cheese, sour cream, etc., some is 
used to make chocolate milk.  This practice is economically necessary, 
because the alternatives are much less profitable (including discarding the 
product).

Again I emphasize that the product is not spoiled or yucky.  I just 
personally find amusement in the irony.  I concede that I don't know for a 
fact that Fisher processed their chocolate milk that way, but from an 
economic viewpoint it is likely that they did.

I contend that what made the Pennsic milk so popular was the combination of 
Fisher's recipe and that it was ***Pennsic Chocolate Milk (tm)***.  It was 
part of the experience, and the nostalgia and anticipation all mixed in. 
Just like how I can never get chinese food that tastes just like that at 
"Delights of Cathay."
I'd be interested in how many people have brought the chocolate milk home to 
be tasted by non-scadian friends only to get a reaction like "It's good, but 
not as good as you're always going on about."  That's the reaction I had 
too, but then I've never been a fan of the product.

Tigranes


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> I think this may be true for Dairylea or some of the larger companies-
> but I would posit that what makes the Pennsic milk so good was that it
> was using whole milk (not 2% like you normally find in the grocery
> stores) and was not using the "recycled" milk.
>
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From ennoguent at gmail.com  Thu May 22 09:58:27 2008
From: ennoguent at gmail.com (Enn)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:58:27 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative
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I think that the chocolate milk was pasteurized, though not
homogenized. The Fishers' raw milk venture was separate.

I don't know what breed of cows they had, but our milk currently comes
from Jerseys and if I leave it to separate, it's roughly 1/3 cream. We
have in the past gotten from brown swiss and that was somewhat less,
maybe 1/4 at the most. Holsteins are I think the most common breed of
dairy cow, and they have a notoriously low milkfat output (but higher
overall output, which is what makes them so popular I guess).

I'm very amused by the copycat recipes going around that say that you
have to add about a pint of heavy cream to a gallon of whole
storebought milk to get the correct consistency. Holy cow!

Enn.

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:33 AM, ron kummer <bataarsogdo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The chocolate milk that fisher's dairy sold was raw milk. That is milk that is not pasturized. That's why it tasted so good. That is part of the reason it is not being sold anymore.
> Check out these links;The PDA shut down Fisher Farms listing a concern about Listeria contamination in the milk.http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS240785+12-Mar-2008+PRN20080312
> http://www.ftcldf.org/aa-03may2008.html
>
> Bataar"Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it"> From: tigranes at nep.net> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:20:27 -0400> Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative> > Greetings from Tigranes,> > I've always found a twinge of evil amusement whenever this subject is > brought up, with all those who swear undying devotion to this product. > This amusement comes from my knowlege of the real story of chocolate milk.> > Commercially bottled chocolate milk starts out as regular milk on the store > shelves. When milk reaches it's "sell by" date, it's sent back to the > creamery. The expired milk is then repasturized, mixed with some fresh > milk, and chocolate flavor added to cover the possible "off" flavor from the > expired milk. Then bottled and shipped for sale.> > I have this info directly from a former Dairylea processing chemist, so it > is not urban legend. I emphsize that the milk is NOT spoiled or unsafe. > But I al!
 wa!
>  ys wonder how many of the Pennsic ambrosia enthusiasts have > reached to the back of the milk cooler in the store because the bottles in > the front were too close to the "sell by" date (I know I have, but I don't > like chocolate milk).> > I know this won't deter any of the addicted. I just wanted to tell why I'll > always have a wry grin on my face whenever I hear folk sing the praises for > chocolate milk.> > Yours,> > Baron Tigranes of Bezabde> > > _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From amyheilveil at gmail.com  Thu May 22 10:28:52 2008
From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:28:52 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative
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If and when Fisher's Dairy sold raw milk it would have been on a
single purchase basis. To make a run of something like Pennsic
chocolate milk with raw milk would have been an immediate revocation
of all of their liscensure and they would have been out of business a
*LONG* time ago.

The way that officials go about this type of shut down is to find out
that the dairy in question is occasionally selling raw milk and get
their hands on some of it. Just selling the raw milk is, in some
cases, enough to shut down the dairy, which is why most dairy's won't
sell raw milk.  They want to stay in business and be able to eat.

Despina de la no one sells raw milk large on a scale these days

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:33 AM, ron kummer <bataarsogdo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The chocolate milk that fisher's dairy sold was raw milk. That is milk that is not pasturized. That's why it tasted so good. That is part of the reason it is not being sold anymore.
> Check out these links;The PDA shut down Fisher Farms listing a concern about Listeria contamination in the milk.http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS240785+12-Mar-2008+PRN20080312
> http://www.ftcldf.org/aa-03may2008.html

From de_labarre at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 10:47:40 2008
From: de_labarre at yahoo.com (Eric France)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 07:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative
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It should be also noted that raw milk is increasingly in demand among consumers, particularly adherents to "raw food" diets.  Dairy farmers who sell raw milk on the side are simply responding to the demand.

This issue is not isolated to Pennsylvania, apparently the Province of Ontario has been wrestling with the same controversies.

 Eric



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If and when Fisher's Dairy sold raw milk it would have been on a
single purchase basis. To make a run of something like Pennsic
chocolate milk with raw milk would have been an immediate revocation
of all of their liscensure and they would have been out of business a
*LONG* time ago.

The way that officials go about this type of shut down is to find out
that the dairy in question is occasionally selling raw milk and get
their hands on some of it. Just selling the raw milk is, in some
cases, enough to shut down the dairy, which is why most dairy's won't
sell raw milk.  They want to stay in business and be able to eat.

Despina de la no one sells raw milk large on a scale these days

From bataarsogdo at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 10:54:59 2008
From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com (ron kummer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:54:59 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative
Message-ID: <BAY106-W356BC12709C38AE3D61FEDBAC60@phx.gbl>


According to one the articles from the links, Fisher's had a license to sell raw milk locally until 2006.Also it says PA is one of the few states that licenses raw milk sales.
"Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it"> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:28:52 -0400> From: amyheilveil at gmail.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative> > If and when Fisher's Dairy sold raw milk it would have been on a> single purchase basis. To make a run of something like Pennsic> chocolate milk with raw milk would have been an immediate revocation> of all of their liscensure and they would have been out of business a> *LONG* time ago.> > The way that officials go about this type of shut down is to find out> that the dairy in question is occasionally selling raw milk and get> their hands on some of it. Just selling the raw milk is, in some> cases, enough to shut down the dairy, which is why most dairy's won't> sell raw milk. They want to stay in business and be able to eat.> > Despina de la no one sells raw milk large on a scale these days> > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:33 AM, ron kummer <bataarsogdo at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > The chocolate milk that fisher's dairy sold was raw milk. That is milk that is not pasturized. That's why it tasted so good. That is part of the reason it is not being sold anymore.> > Check out these links;The PDA shut down Fisher Farms listing a concern about Listeria contamination in the milk.http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS240785+12-Mar-2008+PRN20080312> > http://www.ftcldf.org/aa-03may2008.html> _________________________________________________________________________> Sca-aethelmearc mailing list> Send general discussion email to discussion at aethelmearc.org to post to the list.> Email Official announcements to announcements at aethelmearc.org .> Visit https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/sca-aethelmearc for:> more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.> When replying to posts, you should remove excess quotage.> _________________________________________________________________________
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From ennoguent at gmail.com  Thu May 22 11:04:04 2008
From: ennoguent at gmail.com (Enn)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:04:04 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative
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On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:54 AM, ron kummer <bataarsogdo at hotmail.com> wrote:

> According to one the articles from the links, Fisher's had a license to sell raw milk locally until 2006.Also it says PA is one of the few states that licenses raw milk sales.

Yup. Both suppliers that I have bought from have been licensed. One
bottled and shipped to health food stores, and the current one we pick
up at the farm.

Though I think the state is trying to squeeze everyone out of
business, from the sounds of things. In the last few years they have
increased requirements above and beyond the call of duty. It's already
pretty restrictive (they can sell milk and cheese, but not butter or
yogurt, which is really annoying because I'm terrible at making butter
and yogurt). I'll be really annoyed if we have to resort to cow share
like so many other states do.

Enn.

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From bataarsogdo at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 11:15:24 2008
From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com (ron kummer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:15:24 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative
Message-ID: <BAY106-W172682E7B90A47BB24064EBAC60@phx.gbl>


I'm sorry, these are the links I was referring to;
 
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_557169.html
 
http://www.flex-news-food.com/pages/14912/Listeria/Milk/USA/pennsylvania-agriculture-department-warns-consumers-tainted-raw-milk-sold-butler-county-dairy.html
 
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08073/864888-100.stm
 
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/ci_9317155
 
It seems Fisher's was started selling raw milk again even thou they gave up there permit in 2006.
 
Bataar
 
 
"Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it"> From: bataarsogdo at hotmail.com> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:54:59 -0400> Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk truth -- WAS: Tragedy is relative> > > According to one the articles from the links, Fisher's had a license to sell raw milk locally until 2006.Also it says PA is one of the few states that licenses raw milk sales.
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From duane at velocity.net  Thu May 22 12:22:50 2008
From: duane at velocity.net (Duane Wilkey)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:22:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Equestrian Authorizations and the new SCA
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Hi Gang;

I have made the following decision:

Because of the dramatic change in the equestrian rules I am going to
require that all riders re-authorize. Several Kingdoms are already doing
this because the rules and the way events are run have so dramatically
changed. 
The only persons who do not have to reauthorize are Equestrian Marshals
since they are up-to-date on the changes and will be the ones conducting
the re-authorization process.

Those of you who are all ready authorized will not have to do a riding
part of the authorization unless you want to do so.  However, you will
be required to fill out a new authorization form and answer a few
questions about:

What are your responsibilities as riders and horse owners?

What are the Marshals' duties in regards to event/arena safety and how
will these affect you?

What is the correct response if the Marshal informs you that you or your
horse is having a problem in the arena?  What happens after a subsequent
warning?

What constitutes a designated equestrian area?  Who may enter this area?

The answers to all these questions are in the new rules book found on
the AE Eq website.  You will not be asked questions about specific games
or equipment requirements for those games unless you are doing a crest,
jousting, mounted combat, mounted archery, or other special
authorization.  Except for crests, only specially assigned marshals or
the DKEO or myself may sign off on specials authorizations.


The riders who qualify for this type of authorization are those riders
currently listed on the Aethelmearc Equestrian web-site. All others must
do a full riding authorization in front of a qualified Aethelmearc Eq
Marshal and be able to answer the above questions.



Full riding authorizations must be done at official events ( i.e. horse
events where the insurance has been activated - be they demos, events,
parades, practices, etc.) 

Authorizations for previously authorized riders may be conducted at any
time. If you do not have access to an equestrian marshal in your area
please e-mail me so I can arrange for your re-authorization.

Those of you who have previously authorized have until August 1 to
up-date your authorizations.  After July 1 you will be dropped from the
data-base and will have to authorize as a new rider.


Thanks,

Alexander - KEO








From peregrine.lp at juno.com  Thu May 22 12:30:25 2008
From: peregrine.lp at juno.com (peregrine.lp at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:30:25 GMT
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Event Announcement: Baronial Champs, May 24
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Greetings from Peregrine on behalf of the autocrat! The Barony of Thescorre invites you to our event this Saturday: 

Baronial Champs Event - Barony of Thescorre (Rochester, NY)
What: Thescorre Baronial Championships
When: May 24-25, 2008

Greeting one and all,

It is time once again to decide upon champions for their Avian Excellencies. War is approaching and our present champions have done their duties. So come join us as we hold tournaments to showcase the abilities of the populace so that their Excellencies Eric and Katja may choose new gentles to represent them in the coming year.

The event is being held at 7069 Harder Rd., Hemlock NY 14466 (this is a private residence, there is no site name.) The site fee is $6.00 for those 18 and over, $5.00 for minors age 6-17, children age 5 and under are free. As usual, checks should be made out to SCA Inc., Barony of Thescorre. Also as usual, the additional $3 non-member surcharge shall be applicable. The autocrat for the event is Lord Sigvaldi inn Enski (Gabriel Hart, 404 Barry Rd., Rochester, NY, 14617, 585-288-5369, gavral at hotmail dot com.)

Competitions will be held for almost all of the championship positions, including Fencing, Archery, Thrown Weapons, Arts and Sciences, and Bardic. In addition, the current heavy weapons champion will be designing activities for other fighters to enjoy throughout the day.

Lunch will be provided. Dinner will be a pot-luck with the theme of Pie. That?s right, Pie. Bring your pies to share. Sweet, savory, crusted, or crust-less. Some attempt at period pies would be appreciated, but is not required. If you have questions or concerns regarding the dinner, please contact The Honourable Lady Collette de Paris at Collette at Thescorre dot org.

Following dinner, there will be a Bardic circle around the campfire. Those wishing to become the new bardic champions will be given an opportunity to perform at this time, while others are welcome to participate after the new champions have been chosen.

Gentles are welcome to camp out Saturday night at no additional charge. Campers may be asked to wait until after the days activities to set up depending on dimensions of tents.

Troll will open at 9 am, and activities will commence at 10 am on Saturday. Lunch will be served around 12:30, Court at 5:30 and dinner at 6 (or as close to it as court allows.)

Directions to the site:

>From the North: Take 390 South to exit 10 (5&20), go left 3 miles, past ?Jack & Jills?, turn right on Livonia Center Rd (Rt. 12). Go 5 or 6 miles (bear left coming into speed zone) to Livonia Center. Cross 20A onto Federal Road, go 3.7 miles south, turn left on Harder Road (?Spring Hill Farm? sign), go about a mile to the last house on the road. (When you run out of road, you have arrived.)

>From the East: Take 5&20 West to Lima, turn left (S) on 15A about 7 miles through Hemlock, right on Rix Hill, about a mile south of Hemlock, (across North end of Hemlock Lake). Take a sharp left on Blank Road (1.3 miles @ Stop sign), take next left (.6 miles) on Harder Rd. ). Go about a mile to the last house on the road. (When you run out of road, you have arrived.)

>From the South. Take 390 to Wayland exit, go North for 18 miles on Rt. 15 straight through Springwater (becomes 15A North), turn left on Rix Hill Road (across North end of Hemlock Lake). Take a sharp left on Blank Road (1.3 miles @ Stop sign), take next left (.6 miles) on Harder Rd. ). Go about a mile to the last house on the road. (When you run out of road, you have arrived.)


From matildabosvyle at gmail.com  Thu May 22 22:28:00 2008
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Court report of TRM's Khalek and Branwyn from AEthelmearc War Practice on
May 16-17th A.S. 43 held in the Canton of Stelton Wald in the presence to
Their Highnesses, Christopher and Morgan, as reported by THL Matilda Bosvyle
de Bela Acqua, Silver Buccle, with the assistance of Lady Florian du Pompier,
Lady Aibell Suil-uaine and THLord Brandubh O'Donnghaile.

Friday evening in the Royal Encampment.

Their Majesties summoned THLady Constance Waite, and then invited those
member of the Order of the Pelican to witness as They issued a writ for her
to appear before Them the following evening and accept elevation to their
illustrious rank.

Saturday evening in the Great Ger.

Their Majesties invited the Crowns of the East, Conrad and Brenwen to join
Them. Gifts and well wishes were exchanged.

Traditional tokens of safe passage were provided to His Excellency, Baron
Quinn of St Swithin's Bog in exchange for his promise to bring his fighting
units to the battle fields of Pennsic War.

Kingdom Chirurgeon, Robert Marsden came before the court to relinquish his
office into the capable hands of his successor Constance Glyn Dwr, who swore
her oath of service to AEthelmearc and Their Majesties.

THLady Catrin Skynith and Lady Elsbeth MacDonald both of the Kingdom of
Meridies, presented Her Majesty with a hound of Her own, and jars of
Meridien honey for Their Majesties AEthelmearc, Their Majesties East and
Their Highnesses AEthelmearc. Her Majesty thanked the sweet Ladies for
traveling so far to teach about hound coursing.

Lady Ismay Ponde presented a gift to Their Majesties that she had acquired
in her travels to the Far East, a hand embroidered bed quilt from Korea.

Count Jehan de la Marche swore his oath of fealty to the Crown and Kingdom
in both Latin and the "vulgar" tongue.

Layla of Griffin's Keep was awarded the Silver Alce for being the first girl
to have achieved the rank of Junior Grand Master Bowman (scroll by Gwilym
o'r Tair Afon).

Catalina Iannarella d'Colliano was Awarded Arms for her unceasing promotion
of the arts and assisting with youth activities (scroll by Isabella
Montoya).

Lady Catriona MacKinnon received the Order of the Cornelian for her
outstanding courtesy and chatelaine service (scroll illum Rota Egilsdottir,
calig Bjorn Bunhaus Olafsson).

Mistress Kris Gilibari was awarded the Order of the Golden Alce for her
deadly skill at fencing (scroll and hand painted fan by Marija Kotok).

Lord Vigo da Napoli was styled a member of the Order of the Golden Alce for
his dedication to fencing and persona expression (scroll by Isabella
Montoya).

Baroness Aleea Baga was presented with the completed scroll commemorating
her recognition as a Baroness of the Court (scroll by Daedez Khan of the
Great Dark Horde Moritu).

Master Charles of Alden was recognized for his achievement of Huntsmen
status on the Thrown Weapons range (scroll by Maria Christina de Cordoba).

Kingdom Archery Champion, Baron Caleb Reynolds announced as how he had been
given other responsibilities by the Crown, he could no longer hold the title
of Champion as well. He explained that he had held an archery tournament
that day to determine who could best protect AEthelmearc should it be
invaded by little blue Picts(ies). The winner and new Kingdom Champion, Lord
Constantine Blackhart, was honored to accept the accoutrements of his office
and took his place in Their Majesties retinue (scrolls by Morwenna Everdon &
illum Rota Egilsdottir, calig Bjorn Bunhaus Olafsson).

Kingdom Thrown Weapons Champion, Lady Morwenna Everdon, having served her
term also held a tournament to choose a new Champion, and passed on the
duties and regalia to the winner, Lord Antonio de Luna (scroll by Anlaith
ingen Trena).

Baron Fridrikr Tomasson av Knusslig Hamn presented himself to Their
Majesties to air a grievance on behalf of his kinswoman and request that it
be corrected forthwith. He held that it was past time for her to be released
from fosterage and be recognized with rank equal to her Master. Master
Emerys Eustace, hight Broom, was called forth to answer these charges and
defend his keeping of the Lady in servitude to his house. He allowed as how
she was like a loaf of bread that must be allowed to sit awhile before
baking, and that she had not yet "risen" ?whereupon THLady Hrefna in heppna
began to rise from her seat and the Court did witness her Master, most
forcefully, command her to *sit down*! Such arguments continued as Master
Broom proclaimed that he did not recognize that Master Fridrikr should have
any authority to make such a determination about a servant of his household.
His Majesty then inquired if he recognized *Their* authority to make such
determination, and Master Broom did quickly doff his cap and bow to the
Crown. Their Majesties proclaimed that They would judge this matter
Themselves and called forth Hrefna in heppna Thorgrimsdottir, issuing her
such writ as to command that she present herself at Their Court at AEcaedmy
and to provide no more than 12 witnesses in her defense. Should she fail to
appear the consequences would be most dire. Their Majesties called for those
members of the most noble Order of the Laurel present to remove the
defendant and provide her with wise council prior to the appointed hour of
judgment (scroll words by Fridrikr Tomasson av Knusslig Hamn, calig.
Antoinette de la Croix).

Mistress Graidhne ni Ruaidh came before the Court to conduct business and
beg a boon.  Their Majesties had previously sent her prot?g? to sit vigil,
that having been concluded, Mistress Graidhne requested the return of her
belt. THLady Constance Waite was escorted into court and did return such
property. Graidhne then asked Their Majesties to do as They intended and
elevate her Ladyship to the Peerage. Their Majesties called those who would
speak to the candidate's worth: for the Laurels, Baron Karl von Elfstein;
for the  Chivalry, Sir Isenwulf Thorolfssone; on behalf of the Royal Peers,
Countess Caryl Oledatter; and for the Order of Pelicans, Master Kyriell
Hawkmoon. All attested to her kind welcoming smile, her diligence and
generosity of service. Thus satisfied, Their Majesties called for a mantle
to cover her shoulders, presented by Gabriella d'Asti. The ancestral
medallion came from Master Egil the Dane by way of Dennys the Decadent. An
additional medallion to adorn her person was provided by Kyriell. Dame
Constance, Mistress of the Pelican swore her oath of service to Crown and
Kingdom upon the great Sword of State (scroll by Aibell Suil-uaine).

Their Majesties thanked all those who withstood the elements to attend the
practices upon the field, and all those who worked behind the scenes to make
the event happen.

Court was closed.

From salley at klaatu.canisius.edu  Fri May 23 03:17:34 2008
From: salley at klaatu.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:17:34 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Crown Tournament Attendance Figures
Message-ID: <200805230717.m4N7HYe15293@klaatu.canisius.edu>


We found this to be highly useful info when we put together our bid for Crown
Tourney, so we've added our stats to the list for the bidders of the NEXT
Crown Tournament. 
-- Dagonell, Left Hand Autocrat for Crown Tourney

Recent Crowns	(Most recent figures available)				
Place		Date		adults 		adults 	site fee  feast fee
				attending	feasting
Hartstone	2005 Fall	141		44	$8 	  $7 
Misty Highlands	2006 Spring	151		58	$7 	  $7 
St. Swithin's 	2006 Fall	164		120	$10 	  $4 
Heronter	2008 Spring	170		61	$10	  $7

From fridrikr at rochester.rr.com  Fri May 23 06:07:01 2008
From: fridrikr at rochester.rr.com (Thomas Ireland-Delfs)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:07:01 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Fwd: [Pbardic] Fw: [ Sad, sad news
References: <005d01c8bca5$8a704b60$28eae204@aoldsl.net>
Message-ID: <70AEB31A-FCA0-4470-A237-D8E6573942ED@rochester.rr.com>

For those who don't recognize the SCA name... this is Robert Asprin.

FRIDRIKR

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "melinda" <mlaf at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: May 23, 2008 3:20:53 AM EDT
> To: <pbardic at minstrel.com>
> Subject: [Pbardic] Fw: [ Sad, sad news
>
> posted on the Gleann Abhann list...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alsinda de Rochabaron" <Alsinda at bellsouth.net>
>
>
> I write this with a heavy heart.  Today, sometime between 2 pm and 5  
> pm,
> Yang the Nauseating passed away.
>
> I spoke to him around 2 pm - to confirm that I was to pick him up at
> 5 pm and take him to the airport.  He was to go to a convention in  
> Ohio
> this weekend - MarCon.  At 2 pm, everything was fine.  When I  
> arrived at
> his house, he wasn't outside, didn't answer his cellphone,
> didn't answer his landline.  Of course, as I was trying to figure
> out what to do, someone came up behind me and I had to drive around  
> the
> block.  (The French Quarter.)  I called him again as I made the block,
> but still no answer.
>
> I *thought* I had a key to his house, but I wasn't certain I had it
> with me.  I tried to call another one of his close friends (who  
> works in
> the Quarter), because I knew that he would have a key, but I
> couldn't get him.  So I parked the car and dug through my briefcase
> and found the key that I thought was for his house.  I did get in with
> the key, but it took some tugging and pushing.
>
> I found Yang lying on his bed, with a book in one hand (a Terry
> Pratchett book, no less) and his other hand by his side, his glasses
> just beyond.  To all extents and purposes, it looks as though he had
> decided to take a nap.  But I could tell he wasn't breathing and he
> had no pulse.  I called 911.
>
> The paramedics and firemen arrived quickly and were quite nice and  
> very
> good.  They actually worked on him for 30 minutes, which sort of
> surprised me, because there was no activity on the heart monitor when
> they hooked him up.  It might have been standard protocol.  Whatever  
> the
> case, they tried very hard, but couldn't bring him back.
>
> I have been in touch with his literary agent, who in turn notified his
> family.  Because Yang was also an author, the news is already  
> spreading
> very quickly.  I am very sorry to have to share this news with my SCA
> family, but I wanted everyone here to hear it from me before you  
> read it
> on some sfnet board.
>
> Yang was 62 years old, born June 28, 1946.  He had no obvious health
> problems, but he was also notorious for avoiding doctors.  To those  
> who
> knew him "way back when" - Isolda, John the Bearkiller, and many  
> others
> - he was very pleased with how the SCA has developed since the "bad  
> old
> days" of freon can helms with women not allowed to fight in the lists.
> He would have come and played with us more if he could have.
>
> - Lady Alsinda de Rochabaron
>
>
>
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From donnamac456 at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 18:32:48 2008
From: donnamac456 at yahoo.com (Donna MacTavish)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:32:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] iso Gythia
Message-ID: <600611.86149.qm@web35303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I got on the AE web page ok .are you getting this?
  donna

       

From imbatmantis at zoominternet.net  Fri May 23 23:23:09 2008
From: imbatmantis at zoominternet.net (Rachael Spryn)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:23:09 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
Message-ID: <001a01c8bd4d$7db51510$46ee9018@macross>

I am a friend and customer of the Fishers. The  Chocolate milk is pasteurized. The fat content was high because it was truly whole milk,unlike what you buy in the store, and the breed of cow they milk has a higher than average content. The chocolate milk was made fresh, not from old milk.They originally had a license to sell the raw milk.

From odlahorde at yahoo.com  Sat May 24 02:07:08 2008
From: odlahorde at yahoo.com (Rob Baldassano)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
Message-ID: <985930.31767.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Baron Tigranes, 
While I don't doubt your friend's claim for what may or may not have happened at the dairy/creamery that they worked at, I do have to?recount my own dairy story. 
Many?years ago, before the?grass grew, and rocks were still soft... and I was a young man....
During a summer that I spent with my aunt in upstate?New York, I was?given the opportunity (?) to work at a farm owned by the Hershey?family. 
Each day when we milked the cows, there?were 2 trucks that would be sent off. 
1 to the Chocolate bottling plant, and one?for the regular/white milk?bottling plant. 
They kept them separate at the time to cut down on the potential for contamination between white?and chocolate milk due to the poor unfortunate souls who can not "do chocolate". 
At no time during that summer did the conversation ever come up about having to add "good milk" in to cover the bad taste of old milk. 
This sounds to me like the wives?tales about how they used to have such heavily spiced meats so that they could hide the taste of the rotten meat being served at the high table. 
?--Eirik 
________________________________
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----- Original Message ----
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To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:23:09 PM
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk

I am a friend and customer of the Fishers. The? Chocolate milk is pasteurized. The fat content was high because it was truly whole milk,unlike what you buy in the store, and the breed of cow they milk has a higher than average content. The chocolate milk was made fresh, not from old milk.They originally had a license to sell the raw milk.
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From de_labarre at yahoo.com  Sat May 24 07:37:33 2008
From: de_labarre at yahoo.com (Eric France)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 04:37:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
Message-ID: <634848.49333.qm@web33606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

the breed of cow they milk has a higher than average content

Guernseys?

 Eric

From Daedra at rochester.rr.com  Fri May 23 07:48:59 2008
From: Daedra at rochester.rr.com (Dae)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:48:59 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [Thescorre] :  Sad, sad news
References: <005d01c8bca5$8a704b60$28eae204@aoldsl.net>
	<70AEB31A-FCA0-4470-A237-D8E6573942ED@rochester.rr.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c8bcca$fd7b21a0$6501a8c0@MamaComp>

 As one whose household still rides to the code Yang brought to our game, and a fan of Mr Asprin's many books, I was deeply sorry to hear this news.  Our condolences to his family and close friends.  Daedez Dalbuuryn, Khan of the Dark Horde Moritu.
__,_._,___ 

From caleb at buffnet.net  Sat May 24 12:08:33 2008
From: caleb at buffnet.net (J C Ronsen)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:08:33 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Court report of TRMs Khalek and Branwyn from
 AEthelmearc War Practice
In-Reply-To: <ae485b730805221928j604c8735p14649cef5d4bd137@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200852412833.949347@workstation>

On Thu, 22 May 2008 22:28:00 -0400, Matilda wrote:
> __
> Court report of TRM's Khalek and Branwyn from AEthelmearc War
>
> 
> Kingdom Archery Champion, Baron Caleb Reynolds announced as how he
> had been
> given other responsibilities by the Crown, he could no longer hold
> the title
> of Champion as well. He explained that he had held an archery
> tournament
> that day to determine who could best protect AEthelmearc should it
> be
> invaded by little blue Picts(ies). The winner and new Kingdom
> Champion, Lord
> Constantine Blackhart, was honored to accept the accoutrements of
> his office
> and took his place in Their Majesties retinue (scrolls by Morwenna
> Everdon &
> illum Rota Egilsdottir, calig Bjorn Bunhaus Olafsson).

A minor correction: As a member of the Order of the White Horn, 
Constantine's title is THL, rather than Lord.



ska: Baron Caleb Reynolds
mka: Caleb Ronsen
aka: Bubba th' Barbarian
Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
Inventor of the stainless steel pinata.
http://www.buffnet.net/~caleb/caleb.htm

This christmas, buy your friends a Chia-Meatloaf.




From MVPA211 at aol.com  Sat May 24 13:45:12 2008
From: MVPA211 at aol.com (MVPA211 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:45:12 EDT
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Melee on the Mount
Message-ID: <ca2.2ff4bbaf.3569ae28@aol.com>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
Melee on the Mount
 
The call goes out from the Mount for those who feel they are strong  enough  
to be Warlords and lead troops into the frenzy of the Melee and  those that 
would  follow their leader into battle,  to present  themselves on Saturday, 
May  
31, 2008 at the North Strabane Township  Park, Quail Acres Pavilion, 1929 
Route  
519 South, Canonsburg, PA  15317.

Sponsored by the Shire of Kings Crossing, the site opens at 10 AM  and  
closes 
at 8 PM and will feature a heavy weapons Warlord  Tournament, Fencing,  
Archery and Thrown weapons.  There will also  be an A&S display  where you 
may view 
and show the many talents of  our  Sylvan Kingdom of  AEthelmearc.

The site is discretely  damp and an all day side-board is available to all  
attendees.   Master Creador Twyne Dragon is preparing a sumptuous day long  
feast 
of  skewered beef, honey and spicy chicken, salad assortment, a selection  of 
 
fruits, bread and spreads as well as some surprises,  plus  cheeses  and 
deserts.
There are no planned children's activities but  there are plenty of play  
areas.  Parents are responsible for  their children since we have no  
children's 
activity  coordinator.

Site fees for the event are $12.00 for adults, $6.00 for  children ages 5-12  
and children under 5 are free.  This includes  the all day side-board.   An 
additional $3.00 non-member surcharge  will be collected at the door.   
Please 
send reservations to Lady  Trinity Munro (Michele Thomas), 1021 Graham  Ave., 
Monessen PA, 15062,  724-684-0105, _trinity-calum at juno.com_ 
(mailto:trinity-calum at juno.com)  .  Make  checks payable to "SCA Inc., Shire 
of Kings Crossing".   The 
$3 NMS will be  collected at troll for those without proof of  membership.

For questions, please contact the autocrat, Ulfr hinn svari  Juzki (Dirk  
Romito), 143 Dicio St., Canonsburg, PA 15317,  724-746-2525, 
_mvpa211 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:mvpa211 at aol.com) , and merchants can  contact  Bryanna Eileen 
Taith-lach 
(Jodie Boyd) 724-310-3945,  _jodie158 at adelphia.net_ 
(mailto:jodie158 at adelphia.net)  .

DIRECTIONS:  From the North:  take I-79 South to the Houston  exit (43) and 
turn right onto Rt. 519 South to  the stop at the top of  the hill.  Continue 
right on 519 S for 0.7 miles to  the North  Strabane Township Municipal 
Building, 
1929 Route 519 South, and make a   left on Township Rd.  Up the hill to the 
Quail Acres Pavilion   (large).  From the South, East and West: Take I-79  
North 
to the  Houston Exit (43) and follow the above directions.

In Service,
Ulfr  hinn svarti Juzki
Autocrat, Melee on the Mount










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From imbatmantis at zoominternet.net  Sat May 24 13:48:35 2008
From: imbatmantis at zoominternet.net (Rachael Spryn)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:48:35 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc milk
Message-ID: <000801c8bdc6$63fa6e30$46ee9018@macross>

 Yes, Guernsey's. 
  Fishers also will not be bottling any milk anymore because they are being held to an even higher standard than the State regulations, even on pasteurized milk. Takes expensive lawyers to fight and they are too small, so now their milk goes to the local Cheese Factory.

From harry.r.beck at verizon.net  Sat May 24 15:40:10 2008
From: harry.r.beck at verizon.net (harry beck)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:40:10 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc milk
In-Reply-To: <000801c8bdc6$63fa6e30$46ee9018@macross>
References: <000801c8bdc6$63fa6e30$46ee9018@macross>
Message-ID: <48386F1A.40805@verizon.net>

that's such a pity, they are really nice folks and i enjoyed talking 
with them while they ran the bottling machine.  oh yeah, the milk was 
pretty good too.
  Eoghan


From nostrand at acm.org  Sat May 24 18:48:29 2008
From: nostrand at acm.org (Solveig Throndardottir)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:48:29 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
In-Reply-To: <985930.31767.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <985930.31767.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <27C3900C-5D5B-4EE7-A15C-6730377860C5@acm.org>

Baron Tigranes!

Greetings from Solveig! I doubt that spoiled milk is used to make  
chocolate milk, however it is usually made from skim milk (as stated  
on the label) and frequently the quality of chocolate flavoring  
leaves something to be desired.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar





From nostrand at acm.org  Sat May 24 18:51:04 2008
From: nostrand at acm.org (Solveig Throndardottir)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:51:04 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
In-Reply-To: <634848.49333.qm@web33606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <634848.49333.qm@web33606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <82C6C9F2-F87B-4AAF-8398-5797B32CAE62@acm.org>

Lord Eric!

Generally speaking Jerseys yield the highest butterfat content while  
holsteins have the highest yield by volume. Consequently, most  
dairies now raise holsteins. When I was in elementary school, it was  
easy to buy "all jersey milk", but you will have difficulty finding  
such milk today.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar





From nostrand at acm.org  Sat May 24 18:53:54 2008
From: nostrand at acm.org (Solveig Throndardottir)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:53:54 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc milk
In-Reply-To: <000801c8bdc6$63fa6e30$46ee9018@macross>
References: <000801c8bdc6$63fa6e30$46ee9018@macross>
Message-ID: <D5661100-10A2-487A-A4AB-67F735E90BAB@acm.org>

Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig!
>
>   Fishers also will not be bottling any milk anymore because they  
> are being held to an even higher standard than the State  
> regulations, even on pasteurized milk. Takes expensive lawyers to  
> fight and they are too small, so now their milk goes to the local  
> Cheese Factory.
What happened? Did the condo people get on their case or something? I  
very much doubt that they were bothered by any of the old-time county  
people.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar





From de_labarre at yahoo.com  Sat May 24 23:37:00 2008
From: de_labarre at yahoo.com (Eric France)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:37:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
Message-ID: <419540.93916.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When I was little, there was a dairy farm near my house (Hogg's Dairy, Apalachin NY) that produced milk & chocolate milk like Fishers.  They advertised that their cows were "Registered Guernseys" (which even at a young age made me giggle at the thought of a Cow Registrar somewhere).

 Eric



----- Original Message ----
From: Solveig Throndardottir <nostrand at acm.org>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:51:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk

Lord Eric!

Generally speaking Jerseys yield the highest butterfat content while  
holsteins have the highest yield by volume. Consequently, most  
dairies now raise holsteins. When I was in elementary school, it was  
easy to buy "all jersey milk", but you will have difficulty finding  
such milk today.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar




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From jbastian at atlanticbb.net  Sun May 25 12:23:06 2008
From: jbastian at atlanticbb.net (Jennifer L. Bastian)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:23:06 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Midrealm Crown Winner 1st Tourney
Message-ID: <000601c8be83$9e202880$7b01a8c0@ANDERSON>

>From Legio Draconis:

Dag and Lutr fought the first of their two-out-of-three. Lutr won, and they
went off to change arms.

Lutr Returns to find Dag Handing his helm and sword to the marshalls. Dag
then makes a speech about how Lutr has fought Chivalrously and bested, in
true Chivalric manner, all comers, and Dag acceded the Tourney to Lutr. The
Marshals had to come and help Lutr stand down, as he was too stunned to
move. The Hall has gone wild.

Dag offered both his sword and chain to Lutr, who asked that the chain be
given to Tessa. Tessa took the chain, then returned it to Dag.





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From geirnythorgrimsdottir at yahoo.com  Sun May 25 18:55:40 2008
From: geirnythorgrimsdottir at yahoo.com (Kim Veillette)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 15:55:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Odd armor sale on Craig's List
Message-ID: <980965.50902.qm@web50603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I seem to remember postings lately about stolen armor. Made me wonder about this auction, the link was sent to me by a friend.?Looks like SCA style armor too me. Thought showing up under "collectibles"is odd. 
http://buffalo.craigslist.org/clt/693164784.html
If this is a legit Scadian auctioning these my apologies! :-)

?YIS,
Geirny

Baroness Geirny Thorgrimsdottir, OL 
MKA Kim Ingram-Veillette


      

From maddogbinkley at yahoo.com  Sun May 25 19:16:14 2008
From: maddogbinkley at yahoo.com (Howie)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:16:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Odd armor sale on Craig's List
In-Reply-To: <980965.50902.qm@web50603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <870.94121.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Answering from Otto's account because this didn't show up in my mailbox :-)  I missed the bit at the bottom that says an armorer is available for repairs. Which makes me more likely to believe its a legit auction. :-)
   
  Geirny

       

From angmic at aol.com  Sun May 25 21:09:20 2008
From: angmic at aol.com (angmic at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 21:09:20 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Odd armor sale on Craig's List
In-Reply-To: <870.94121.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CA8CE4434D4CBE-AE8-2B4C@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com>

Thanks, I wsn't sure.? I remember reading not too long ago that someone'e armour was stolen.? Since you are more ative and in the loop you would probably be able to recognize the armour and now if the ad was legit.


-----Original Message-----
From: Howie <maddogbinkley at yahoo.com>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Odd armor sale on Craig's List



Answering from Otto's account because this didn't show up in my mailbox :-)  I 
missed the bit at the bottom that says an armorer is available for repairs. 
Which makes me more likely to believe its a legit auction. :-)
   
  Geirny

       
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From carnabyservices at yahoo.com  Sun May 25 21:42:34 2008
From: carnabyservices at yahoo.com (Carnaby Collectibles)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 18:42:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Mongol opens June 6
Message-ID: <50937.70956.qm@web53410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Mongol finally opens in the US on June 6 (it was up for best foreign film this year). Check out the website at:
  http://www.mongolmovie.com/
  Cheers - Tiercelin


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From vallawulf at aol.com  Mon May 26 00:55:05 2008
From: vallawulf at aol.com (vallawulf at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:55:05 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] [Thescorre] :  Sad, sad news
In-Reply-To: <002d01c8bcca$fd7b21a0$6501a8c0@MamaComp>
References: <005d01c8bca5$8a704b60$28eae204@aoldsl.net>	<70AEB31A-FCA0-4470-A237-D8E6573942ED@rochester.rr.com>
	<002d01c8bcca$fd7b21a0$6501a8c0@MamaComp>
Message-ID: <8CA8D03CC84C158-1540-1508@webmail-nc12.sysops.aol.com>

My thanks, Daedez Khan. I will pass this along.

Vallawulf


-----Original Message-----
From: Dae <Daedra at rochester.rr.com>
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org; Thescorre Barony <thescorre at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 4:48 am
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] [Thescorre] : Sad, sad news



 As one whose household still rides to the code Yang brought to our game, and a 
fan of Mr Asprin's many books, I was deeply sorry to hear this news.  Our 
condolences to his family and close friends.  Daedez Dalbuuryn, Khan of the Dark 
Horde Moritu.
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From donnghaile at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:21:51 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:21:51 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Fwd: pennsicdance: Dance Class list up!
Message-ID: <29c224fe0805270521g371b9f10w9972c4c0b6ef740d@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Lindahl <lindahl at pbm.com>
Date: May 22, 2008 6:00 PM
Subject: pennsicdance: Class list up!
To: pennsicdance at pbm.com


The list of this year's dance classes is now up on the website, along
with information about what evening events we'll be enjoying.

http://pennsicdance.AandS.org/

-- Gregory



_______________________________________________
pennsicdance mailing list
pennsicdance at pbm.com
http://www.pbm.com/mailman/listinfo/pennsicdance

From poohsnoopybear at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 14:23:16 2008
From: poohsnoopybear at yahoo.com (Michele Thomas)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:23:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] reservations for Melee on the Mount
Message-ID: <43411.6118.qm@web63406.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Greetings from Lady Trinity, reservations troll for Melee on the Mount. I understand that there have been problems emailing reservations in for the event. If you tried to email the address in the announcement and it did not work, please email me at poohsnoopybear at yahoo.com with the following info: mundane name, SCAdian name, are you a member, how many adults/kids will be attending.
   
  As of last Friday I am a one handed reservations troll (carpal tunnel surgery) and I would like to fill in as much of my troll sheets as possible before then...thank you and hope to see you on Saturday!
   
  Lady Trinity Munro
  Reservations Troll--Melee on the Mount
  Shire of Kings Crossing

       

From boottothehead at juno.com  Tue May 27 18:48:20 2008
From: boottothehead at juno.com (Sherry)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:48:20 GMT
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO some VIP
Message-ID: <20080527.184820.11064.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

         Greetings unto the Most Gracious Citizens of Glorious Aethelmearc from Sophie Davenport, a humble scribe.  I am working on a backlog scroll for someone who is quite deserving and in order to produce a work that is worthy, I would need to contact a few of the peers who spoke on behalf of this esteemed lady.  I'd like to make contact with Master Andrixos  Seljukroctonis of Calontir; Mistress Elena de Vexen of the Middle;  Her Excellency, Mistress Graidhne ni Ruaidh; Master Aaron Faheud Swiftrunner; and Baron Oakhammer of Rising Waters.  I can be reached best by email at Boottothehead AT juno DOT com.  If someone knows how to contact these wonderful people, would you please forward my address to them, or could you please have them contact me directly?  I am most grateful for this opportunity and thank you to all in advance.

In Service,
Sophie


"You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star." - Nietzsche


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From caleb at buffnet.net  Tue May 27 19:22:14 2008
From: caleb at buffnet.net (J C Ronsen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:22:14 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO some VIP
In-Reply-To: <20080527.184820.11064.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <2008527192214.429738@workstation>

On Tue, 27 May 2008 22:48:20 GMT, Sherry wrote:
> Greetings unto the Most Gracious Citizens of Glorious Aethelmearc
> from Sophie Davenport, a humble scribe.  I am working on a backlog
> scroll for someone who is quite deserving and in order to produce a
> work that is worthy, I would need to contact a few of the peers who
> spoke on behalf of this esteemed lady.  I'd like to make contact
> with Master Andrixos  Seljukroctonis of Calontir; Mistress Elena de
> Vexen of the Middle;  Her Excellency, Mistress Graidhne ni Ruaidh;
> Master Aaron Faheud Swiftrunner; and Baron Oakhammer of Rising
> Waters.  I can be reached best by email at Boottothehead AT juno
> DOT com.  If someone knows how to contact these wonderful people,
> would you please forward my address to them, or could you please
> have them contact me directly?  I am most grateful for this
> opportunity and thank you to all in advance.
> 
> In Service,
> Sophie
> 
> 

Forwarded to Baron Aeneas Oakhammer


ska: Baron Caleb Reynolds
mka: Caleb Ronsen
aka: Bubba th' Barbarian
Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
Inventor of the stainless steel pinata.
http://www.buffnet.net/~caleb/caleb.htm

Help Wanted: Telepath. You know where to apply.



From caleb at buffnet.net  Tue May 27 19:42:50 2008
From: caleb at buffnet.net (J C Ronsen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:42:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Thrown Weapons Royal Round Competition
Message-ID: <2008527194250.052992@workstation>

It's been a little more than two months since THL Alaxandair 
challenged our Kingdom's throwers to improve their Royal Round 
averages and I take more than a little pride in the fact that, as of 
today, four of the top ten averages belong to members of the 
Rhydderich Hael, including first, second and third place. 

Surely, the rest of the Kingdom hasn't given up so soon? I understand 
that the skill of the throwers of the Hael intimidate others, but we 
really are nice people and while we take pride in winning 
competitions, we don't want to embarrass everyone else. Too much, that 
is. 

To encourage others to get out onto the range, I will sponsor an 
additional prize to the most improved TW royal round average from 
someone whom does not live in the Hael.

Please visit http://twscores.aethelmearc.net/index.php for the 
complete list of Haelie averages, as well as the averages of everyone 
else.


ska: Baron Caleb Reynolds
mka: Caleb Ronsen
aka: Bubba th' Barbarian
Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
Inventor of the stainless steel pinata.
http://www.buffnet.net/~caleb/caleb.htm

Yes, I did call you Surely




From tigranes at nep.net  Sat May 24 08:11:23 2008
From: tigranes at nep.net (Tim Button)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 08:11:23 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
In-Reply-To: <985930.31767.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <985930.31767.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C1CDD480ED7143EF9D615E846338F417@Home>

Greetings from Tigranes,

Eirik,

The farm you worked at must have been quite different from our family farm 
and those of our neigbors when I was growing up.  (It was in New York, which 
may explain it, or very much larger than any of the ones around here)  We 
and our neighbors were all members of a cooperative call Eastern Milk 
Producers.  Eastern (and other co-ops) was set up to provide uniform service 
and standards for the farms that belonged to the co-op.

Milk was picked up by an Eastern truck, then taken to a creamery where it 
was tested, processed, then distributed to different bottlers, processors 
(butter, cheese, etc.).  It was impossible to know where "our" milk wound 
up, since it was mixed up with all the other milk from the other farms on 
the tanker driver's route, then mixed with all the milk from the other 
tankers at the creamery, etc. etc.

I don't understand why the concept of reprocessing seems so unusual as to be 
deemed a "wives tale."  Huge quantities of milk are unsold by the "sell by" 
date, and it would be an incredible waste of economic and environmental 
resources to just throw it away.  The process is regulated and monitored by 
the appropriate agencies, just as the milk that comes in direct from the 
farms.  Not all of it is reprocessed into chocolate milk (the demand is not 
that high), and not all of it is even processed into food items.  Glue, 
paint, health and beauty products, etc. use milk, and not all of is is 
obtained direct from the farm.

There are a lot of standard, govt. approved procedures in the food 
processing industry that would make folks swear off the product if the whole 
picture was known.  If the chocolate milk  subject causes this big an 
uproar, let's never try to discuss eating sausage ; )

Tigranes


From dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com  Tue May 27 21:40:19 2008
From: dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com (Dorinda Courtine-White)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:40:19 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Forwarded note on the Viking Village in Heronter!
Message-ID: <000c01c8c063$c98c9cb0$6401a8c0@hppav>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Monica Mercer" <mmercer at stny.rr.com>
To: "'Dorinda Courtine-White'" <dcourtinewhite at stny.rr.com>; 
<dorinda.e.courtine-white at cummins.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: Favor? Please post to the Aethelmearc list for me?


Viking Village Demo VIII
Shire of Heronter (Jamestown, NY)                           July 18-20, 2008

Calling all Vikings!  It's time once again to set up our Viking Village at
the Annual Jamestown Scandinavian Folk Festival.  We would love to have as
many people as possible join us in celebrating all things Viking!

This year we continue to work toward having more hands on Viking age
activities and demonstrations.  There will be prizes for best period display
and best Viking garb.

Festival Website:
http://www.scandinavianjamestown.org/3scand.htm

Cost:  Free to people in garb!

Site information:  Jamestown Community College Campus (525 Falconer St.,
Jamestown, NY 14701). The hours for the festival are Friday 3:00 PM - 10:00
PM, Saturday 10:00 AM - 10:00 PM, and Sunday 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM. The site is
discreetly damp, above ground fires are permitted.  Sorry, no pets.

Contact information:  Keinven Ragnarsdottir (Monica Mercer, 156 Howard St.,
Jamestown, NY, 14701, (716)450-9041 or (716)720-4811, mmercer at stny.rr.com)



From alaxandair at gmail.com  Tue May 27 21:48:27 2008
From: alaxandair at gmail.com (Alaxandair O'Conchobhair)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:48:27 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
In-Reply-To: <C1CDD480ED7143EF9D615E846338F417@Home>
References: <985930.31767.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<C1CDD480ED7143EF9D615E846338F417@Home>
Message-ID: <b0da43e60805271848y799e886budf73ceb90258b5f7@mail.gmail.com>

So with all this talk about Chocolate milk, is this our equivalent of
beating a horse to death?  We're just going to use cow instead?
<grin>

A.



On 5/24/08, Tim Button <tigranes at nep.net> wrote:
> Greetings from Tigranes,
>
>  Eirik,
>
>  The farm you worked at must have been quite different from our family farm
>  and those of our neigbors when I was growing up.  (It was in New York, which
>  may explain it, or very much larger than any of the ones around here)  We
>  and our neighbors were all members of a cooperative call Eastern Milk
>  Producers.  Eastern (and other co-ops) was set up to provide uniform service
>  and standards for the farms that belonged to the co-op.
>
>  Milk was picked up by an Eastern truck, then taken to a creamery where it
>  was tested, processed, then distributed to different bottlers, processors
>  (butter, cheese, etc.).  It was impossible to know where "our" milk wound
>  up, since it was mixed up with all the other milk from the other farms on
>  the tanker driver's route, then mixed with all the milk from the other
>  tankers at the creamery, etc. etc.
>
>  I don't understand why the concept of reprocessing seems so unusual as to be
>  deemed a "wives tale."  Huge quantities of milk are unsold by the "sell by"
>  date, and it would be an incredible waste of economic and environmental
>  resources to just throw it away.  The process is regulated and monitored by
>  the appropriate agencies, just as the milk that comes in direct from the
>  farms.  Not all of it is reprocessed into chocolate milk (the demand is not
>  that high), and not all of it is even processed into food items.  Glue,
>  paint, health and beauty products, etc. use milk, and not all of is is
>  obtained direct from the farm.
>
>  There are a lot of standard, govt. approved procedures in the food
>  processing industry that would make folks swear off the product if the whole
>  picture was known.  If the chocolate milk  subject causes this big an
>  uproar, let's never try to discuss eating sausage ; )
>
>  Tigranes

From tigranes at nep.net  Tue May 27 21:52:56 2008
From: tigranes at nep.net (Tim Button)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:52:56 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
In-Reply-To: <27C3900C-5D5B-4EE7-A15C-6730377860C5@acm.org>
References: <985930.31767.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<27C3900C-5D5B-4EE7-A15C-6730377860C5@acm.org>
Message-ID: <25ECCD135BEF4F79A30057C770853ABE@Home>

Greetings from Tigranes,


In all my posts on this subject, please  note I emphasized that the milk is 
*not* spoiled, that the process is approved and regulated under all 
appropriate health standards.  Just because a bottle has gone beyond its 
"sell by" date does not mean it is spoiled, or that it must be discarded. 
It just means the contents of THAT bottle may not be sold without further 
processing.  One of the ways that milk can be reprocessed is to 
repasteurized, blend with fresh milk, and add the flavoring and sweetener 
for chocolate milk.  There are many other directions the "old" milk may be 
reprocessed and marketed.

This is information from a man who used to work in a commercial dairy 
processing facility.
There is nothing sinister, illegal, or (IMO) all that unpallatable about it. 
It's just the way they do business.  And considering the economic 
practicallities, it's safe to assume that the practice is not isolated to 
the brand that my friend worked for.

I also conceded that I did not know for fact that Fisher's milk was 
processed in that way.

I stand by my contention that a big part of the PCM (Pennsic Chocolate Milk) 
mystique is that it is all wrapped up in the pleasant experience so many of 
us look forward to each year.  I suspect that if one was to have access to 
the product year round, it would become more mundane (pardon the term) for 
most folks.

I do apoligise to the list for opening such a can of worms.  I  didn't 
anticipate causing such a controversy.  I'll drop the subject now, as 
nothing more will be gained by further debate.

Yours,

Tigranes


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Solveig Throndardottir" <nostrand at acm.org>
To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk


> Baron Tigranes!
>
> Greetings from Solveig! I doubt that spoiled milk is used to make
> chocolate milk, however it is usually made from skim milk (as stated
> on the label) and frequently the quality of chocolate flavoring
> leaves something to be desired.
>
> Your Humble Servant
> Solveig Throndardottir
> Amateur Scholar


From greyraven315 at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 22:19:08 2008
From: greyraven315 at yahoo.com (Lady Giovanna DaNapoli)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:19:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Choc. Milk
In-Reply-To: <b0da43e60805271848y799e886budf73ceb90258b5f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <641172.26731.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Beef......
   
  It's What's For Dinner....lol
   
  Lady G.

Alaxandair O'Conchobhair <alaxandair at gmail.com> wrote:
  So with all this talk about Chocolate milk, is this our equivalent of
beating a horse to death? We're just going to use cow instead?


A.



On 5/24/08, Tim Button wrote:
> Greetings from Tigranes,
>
> Eirik,
>
> The farm you worked at must have been quite different from our family farm
> and those of our neigbors when I was growing up. (It was in New York, which
> may explain it, or very much larger than any of the ones around here) We
> and our neighbors were all members of a cooperative call Eastern Milk
> Producers. Eastern (and other co-ops) was set up to provide uniform service
> and standards for the farms that belonged to the co-op.
>
> Milk was picked up by an Eastern truck, then taken to a creamery where it
> was tested, processed, then distributed to different bottlers, processors
> (butter, cheese, etc.). It was impossible to know where "our" milk wound
> up, since it was mixed up with all the other milk from the other farms on
> the tanker driver's route, then mixed with all the milk from the other
> tankers at the creamery, etc. etc.
>
> I don't understand why the concept of reprocessing seems so unusual as to be
> deemed a "wives tale." Huge quantities of milk are unsold by the "sell by"
> date, and it would be an incredible waste of economic and environmental
> resources to just throw it away. The process is regulated and monitored by
> the appropriate agencies, just as the milk that comes in direct from the
> farms. Not all of it is reprocessed into chocolate milk (the demand is not
> that high), and not all of it is even processed into food items. Glue,
> paint, health and beauty products, etc. use milk, and not all of is is
> obtained direct from the farm.
>
> There are a lot of standard, govt. approved procedures in the food
> processing industry that would make folks swear off the product if the whole
> picture was known. If the chocolate milk subject causes this big an
> uproar, let's never try to discuss eating sausage ; )
>
> Tigranes
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From donnghaile at gmail.com  Wed May 28 08:11:14 2008
From: donnghaile at gmail.com (Ben Cogan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:11:14 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO some VIP
In-Reply-To: <20080527.184820.11064.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080527.184820.11064.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <29c224fe0805280511l6f98265bhc37b43bbaed2801@mail.gmail.com>

Master Andrixos is the Proprietor of Calontir Trim, if anyone has
contact info for that business, he can be reached that way.

Brandubh

On 5/27/08, Sherry <boottothehead at juno.com> wrote:
>         Greetings unto the Most Gracious Citizens of Glorious Aethelmearc from Sophie Davenport, a humble scribe.  I am working on a backlog scroll for someone who is quite deserving and in order to produce a work that is worthy, I would need to contact a few of the peers who spoke on behalf of this esteemed lady.  I'd like to make contact with Master Andrixos  Seljukroctonis of Calontir; Mistress Elena de Vexen of the Middle;  Her Excellency, Mistress Graidhne ni Ruaidh; Master Aaron Faheud Swiftrunner; and Baron Oakhammer of Rising Waters.  I can be reached best by email at Boottothehead AT juno DOT com.  If someone knows how to contact these wonderful people, would you please forward my address to them, or could you please have them contact me directly?  I am most grateful for this opportunity and thank you to all in advance.
>
> In Service,
> Sophie
>
>
> "You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star." - Nietzsche
>
>
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From moniczka at twcny.rr.com  Wed May 28 08:24:50 2008
From: moniczka at twcny.rr.com (Moniczka)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:50 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO some VIP
In-Reply-To: <29c224fe0805280511l6f98265bhc37b43bbaed2801@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080527.184820.11064.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<29c224fe0805280511l6f98265bhc37b43bbaed2801@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3C73A08529942CEB0213D1E85DA3A55@MoniczkaPC>

andrixos at calontirtrim.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Cogan" <donnghaile at gmail.com>
To: <discussion at aethelmearc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] ISO some VIP


> Master Andrixos is the Proprietor of Calontir Trim, if anyone has
> contact info for that business, he can be reached that way.
>
> Brandubh
>
> On 5/27/08, Sherry <boottothehead at juno.com> wrote:
>>         Greetings unto the Most Gracious Citizens of Glorious Aethelmearc 
>> from Sophie Davenport, a humble scribe.  I am working on a backlog scroll 
>> for someone who is quite deserving and in order to produce a work that is 
>> worthy, I would need to contact a few of the peers who spoke on behalf of 
>> this esteemed lady.  I'd like to make contact with Master Andrixos 
>> Seljukroctonis of Calontir; Mistress Elena de Vexen of the Middle;  Her 
>> Excellency, Mistress Graidhne ni Ruaidh; Master Aaron Faheud Swiftrunner; 
>> and Baron Oakhammer of Rising Waters.  I can be reached best by email at 
>> Boottothehead AT juno DOT com.  If someone knows how to contact these 
>> wonderful people, would you please forward my address to them, or could 
>> you please have them contact me directly?  I am most grateful for this 
>> opportunity and thank you to all in advance.
>>
>> In Service,
>> Sophie
>>
>>
>> "You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star." - 
>> Nietzsche
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Click now to choose from thousands of designs for your checks!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifWife5YjxcAQbMbHFmPhAvSqdu7qMjtuZwu0ADF6b55hQga/
>> _________________________________________________________________________
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>> the list.
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>>  more info, archives, subscription changes, etc.
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>>
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> list.
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From amyheilveil at gmail.com  Wed May 28 09:06:39 2008
From: amyheilveil at gmail.com (Amy Heilveil)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:06:39 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO some VIP
In-Reply-To: <20080527.184820.11064.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080527.184820.11064.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <9e8e32f00805280606l70b3d729nf525ff0765b63e65@mail.gmail.com>

addresses for Elena, Swiftrunner, Oakhammer, and Graidhne ni Ruaidh
have been sent to the interested party.

Smiles,
Despina de la finds people sometimes

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Sherry <boottothehead at juno.com> wrote:
>         Greetings unto the Most Gracious Citizens of Glorious Aethelmearc from Sophie Davenport, a humble scribe.  I am working on a backlog scroll for someone who is quite deserving and in order to produce a work that is worthy, I would need to contact a few of the peers who spoke on behalf of this esteemed lady.  I'd like to make contact with Master Andrixos  Seljukroctonis of Calontir; Mistress Elena de Vexen of the Middle;  Her Excellency, Mistress Graidhne ni Ruaidh; Master Aaron Faheud Swiftrunner; and Baron Oakhammer of Rising Waters.  I can be reached best by email at Boottothehead AT juno DOT com.  If someone knows how to contact these wonderful people, would you please forward my address to them, or could you please have them contact me directly?  I am most grateful for this opportunity and thank you to all in advance.
>
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>
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From ladyren at gmail.com  Wed May 28 12:16:59 2008
From: ladyren at gmail.com (Karen Finnemore)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:16:59 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Melee Madness Query
Message-ID: <4e6328420805280916wca32373v8dc341d999a52df1@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anyone from the greater BMDL area who will be attending Melee
Madness this weekend?  If so, could you contact me offlist?
(ladyren-at-gmail-dot-com)

Thank you kindly!
Renata the posh rot

-- 
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere,
someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there
on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. -George Carlin

If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun.
-- Katharine Hepburn

Every fight is a food fight when you're a cannibal.
-- Demetri Martin

Hearing nuns' confessions is like being stoned to death with popcorn.
--Fulton J. Sheen

From jenn.strobel at gmail.com  Wed May 28 20:27:34 2008
From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:27:34 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: The Kingdom A&S Website has a new look and some
	new	features
Message-ID: <2ae6b4a90805281727h59ff7c8cp1e0f31187ae26170@mail.gmail.com>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________
Odriana, by the grace of God, King of ?thelmearc, &c, to the Artisans
and Scientists of the Kingdom of ?thelmearc.

It pleases me to announce that under the capable hands of Master
Christofano Vecchione, the Kingdom A&S Website has undergone a major
redesign. There are a number of changes, including:

A new look; the navigation links are now in a bar at the top of the
page, there is a section with information about what has changed, and
the design has been devised with the intention of being expanded upon
without having to make major changes. This provides the ability to
deliver more to the Kingdom A&S community in an expedient fashion.

An Artisan/Scientist of the Month feature; This feature will begin in
June 2008. This is to highlight artists and scientists all over the
Kingdom. The criterion for being nominated for Artisan/Scientist of
the Month is: To be doing an art or science in the Kingdom of
?thelmearc, and to be nominated by someone for Artisan/Scientist of
the Month by sending a nomination to me, Odriana vander Brugghe
(jenn.strobel at gmail.com), and including the following information:
         1. SCA Name of the person making the nomination
         2. SCA Name of the Nominee
         3. Local Group of the Nominee
         4. Area of specialty
         5. Information about the nominee (a paragraph describing what they do)

The most exciting change is that we are building a listing of Artisans
and Scientists that will be sorted by Name as well as by Interest,
called the "Rolls of ?thelmearc Artists and Scientists". This listing
is open to every citizen of ?thelmearc, regardless of award and level
of skill. This listing is to make it easier for people of similar
interests to find each other, to use as a resource for classes, and as
a means by which to get to know each other and our work better. If you
choose to participate, please send the following information to our
webminister (webmaster at aeans.org):
         1. Your Name
         2. Your Local Group
         3. Your Website (if applicable)
         4. Your Contact information
         5. A picture. If you have one. We can take one of you as
well, just let us know you'd like us to do that and we will make
arrangements.
         6. A one or two paragraph bio about YOU, not your persona.
Where you learned what you learned. What your focused area of interest
is.
         7. A list of your fields of interest. This is not necessary
just the fields you feel are your expertise but all fields you are
interested in and would like to share. I leave it up to you for which
fields you feel should be placed included.
         8. Permission to use your email address on the Kingdom A&S website.

The Kingdom A&S Ministry is making changes to better serve the Kingdom
A&S community. If you have thoughts on how the Kingdom A&S Ministry
can better serve you, please contact the Kingdom A&S Minister,
Mistress Elisabeth (ae.ans at aethelmearc.org), or the Deputy Kingdom A&S
Minister, Odriana vander Brugghe (deputy at aeans.org).

Given at the center of the remarkable Barony Marche of the Debatable
Lands, on the twenty-eighth day of the month of May, in the year of
our Lord, two thousand and eight.

From fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com  Wed May 28 20:44:37 2008
From: fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com (fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Melee Madness schedule change!
Message-ID: <56a8c5093de9aae63493ce2b9759d9f9.squirrel@webmail.emcs.net>


There has been a change in the heavy fighting schedule at Melee Madness.
On Saturday, May 31st:

10:00 AM   Heavy inspections and Authorizations
10:30 AM - 11:00 AM  Warlord Tourney will start

Immediately after the Warlord Tourney there will be a break for lunch

1:00 PM to 5:00 PM 5 Man Melee / Broken Field Fighting


This is the latest information from Sir Murdoch.

You can find the full schedule for Melee Madness at:
http://www.endlesshills.aethelmearc.net/index_files/Page3572.htm

The full event announcement for Melee Madness is at:
http://www.endlesshills.aethelmearc.net/index_files/meleemadness.htm

YIS,
Maria P
deputy autocrat, Melee Madness


From fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com  Wed May 28 20:44:37 2008
From: fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com (fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: Melee Madness schedule change!
Message-ID: <56a8c5093de9aae63493ce2b9759d9f9.squirrel@webmail.emcs.net>

Keywords: AEnnouncements
________________________________________________________________________
Announcements at aethelmearc.org for announcements only.
Replies and questions are sent to discussion at aethelmearc.org
or directly to the person making the announcement.
________________________________________________________________________

There has been a change in the heavy fighting schedule at Melee Madness.
On Saturday, May 31st:

10:00 AM   Heavy inspections and Authorizations
10:30 AM - 11:00 AM  Warlord Tourney will start

Immediately after the Warlord Tourney there will be a break for lunch

1:00 PM to 5:00 PM 5 Man Melee / Broken Field Fighting


This is the latest information from Sir Murdoch.

You can find the full schedule for Melee Madness at:
http://www.endlesshills.aethelmearc.net/index_files/Page3572.htm

The full event announcement for Melee Madness is at:
http://www.endlesshills.aethelmearc.net/index_files/meleemadness.htm

YIS,
Maria P
deputy autocrat, Melee Madness


From c_m_dawson at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 22:15:21 2008
From: c_m_dawson at yahoo.com (Christopher dawson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Melee Madness Query
Message-ID: <816386.69655.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there an address for the site?

The quote of "follow the SCA signs" leaves me a bit worried....

In Service,
Lord Nikolai Bearslayer



      

From euriol at ptd.net  Wed May 28 22:53:48 2008
From: euriol at ptd.net (Cassandra Baldassano)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:53:48 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Melee Madness Query
In-Reply-To: <816386.69655.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <816386.69655.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c8c137$380fc9e0$1102a8c0@snowleopard>

The site is the Wyoming County Fairgrounds, Route 6, Meshoppen, PA 18630 (no
street address).

I hope this helps,

Euriol

Euriol of Lothian, OP
Minister of Arts & Sciences, Barony of Endless Hills
Clerk, Order of the Pelican, Kingdom of ?thelmearc

"I slept and dreamt that life was joy. I awoke and saw that life was
service. I acted and behold, service was joy."
-Robindranath Tagore, Poet/Playwright/Essayist 1913 Nobel Prize for
Literature

-----Original Message-----
From: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu
[mailto:sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu] On Behalf Of
Christopher dawson
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:15 PM
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Subject: [SCA-AE] Melee Madness Query

Is there an address for the site?

The quote of "follow the SCA signs" leaves me a bit worried....

In Service,
Lord Nikolai Bearslayer



      
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From lori at tigerfire.net  Wed May 28 22:13:55 2008
From: lori at tigerfire.net (Lori)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:13:55 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Thrown Weapons Royal Round Competition
In-Reply-To: <2008527194250.052992@workstation>
References: <2008527194250.052992@workstation>
Message-ID: <200805290303.m4T33Ofo022270@mx1.andrew.cmu.edu>

Since you have the top three scorers then it is hard to get the most 
improved, but if you look at Region 5 - we have a total of 15 
throwers with 3 scores in (that is over half of all throwers with 3 
scores in!!), 3 throwers only needing one more score, and 11 needing 
two scores. Bringing that to a total of 29 throwers in Region 5 with 
a score. (Let me also point out that Myrkfaelinn has 14 of those 
throwers and is only the size of a shire.) Statistically that means 
we have a really good shot of one of us winning the most improved. 
That is unless more throwers get out there!!

So to add to the prize pot I will offer a prize to any region that 
can get more throwers(with at least 3 scores) than region 5.

So everyone give thrown weapons a try. Its a blast!!!


Gytha
Region 5 Thrown Weapons Marshall

At 07:42 PM 5/27/2008, you wrote:
>It's been a little more than two months since THL Alaxandair
>challenged our Kingdom's throwers to improve their Royal Round
>averages and I take more than a little pride in the fact that, as of
>today, four of the top ten averages belong to members of the
>Rhydderich Hael, including first, second and third place.
>
>Surely, the rest of the Kingdom hasn't given up so soon? I understand
>that the skill of the throwers of the Hael intimidate others, but we
>really are nice people and while we take pride in winning
>competitions, we don't want to embarrass everyone else. Too much, that
>is.
>
>To encourage others to get out onto the range, I will sponsor an
>additional prize to the most improved TW royal round average from
>someone whom does not live in the Hael.
>
>Please visit http://twscores.aethelmearc.net/index.php for the
>complete list of Haelie averages, as well as the averages of everyone
>else.
>
>
>ska: Baron Caleb Reynolds
>mka: Caleb Ronsen
>aka: Bubba th' Barbarian
>Baron of the Rhydderich Hael
>Inventor of the stainless steel pinata.
>http://www.buffnet.net/~caleb/caleb.htm
>
>Yes, I did call you Surely
>
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From fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com  Wed May 28 23:05:30 2008
From: fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com (fabrix at mymail.emcyber.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Melee Madness Query
In-Reply-To: <816386.69655.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <816386.69655.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f83a6c3183329f5ef23f7f4c655a4204.squirrel@webmail.emcs.net>

I'm sorry my Lord, this is in the country with no street address. It is
about 3-4 miles east of Laceyville/Skinners Eddy and 1 1/2 miles west of
Meshoppen on Route 6. Waaaay country.

If you're coming from the east...route 81, the PA turnpike, Scranton
area... then you will be coming west on route 6. After Scranton and Clark
Summit the biggest town you go through (or take the bypass around) is
Tunkhannock. About 10 miles of country later you come down a hill into the
VERY STRICTLY radar-ed 35 mph speed limit town of Meshoppen ...you can't
miss it.
The first turn is really close to 1 1/2 miles west from the blinker light
in the middle of Meshoppen, and its on the left hand side. You can't miss
it, it's the only blacktop road to the left before you pass the fairground
front gates half a mile farther up the road.(can't get in the front
gates...if you see them, turn around). I think there's a sign for the
cemetery at this turn too.

That blacktop goes past a cemetery, a couple houses, and does some dips
for about 1/2 - 3/4 mile before your turn onto a dirt road to your right.
This road bears right, up the slope, while the hardtop curves left and
goes down to the railroad tracks and then to the river. If you see the
river, turn around ;)

If you're coming east on route 6 you'll go through Laceyville and then no
towns until you see the fairgrounds off to the right as you come down a
hill from a cut in the hills. Can't miss it. (Nothing else there!) You
can't get in the front gates that are beside route 6. Just keep on going
for about a quarter or half mile and you see the sharp right turn onto
that blacktop road. No sweat.

We'll have the SCA signboards out. If you get truly lost, you can stop
anywhere and ask where the Wyoming County Fairground is.... it's 'the
biggest game in town'.

I will try to have my cell phone charged up (570)499-9924.

Maria P

Linda at classactfabrics.com
http://www.classactfabrics.com

> Is there an address for the site?
>
> The quote of "follow the SCA signs" leaves me a bit worried....
>
> In Service,
> Lord Nikolai Bearslayer
>
>
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From cetach at gmail.com  Thu May 29 09:17:11 2008
From: cetach at gmail.com (Ce'tach Fitzgibbon)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:17:11 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Archery Practice Tonight
Message-ID: <96f0cbe50805290617r4e2baa52p671c0a7c08fdc667@mail.gmail.com>

Archery practice at my place tonight will be at 6:30.

Google gives good directions or give me a call:

507 Harding Street, Ellwood City PA 16117
724-462-4806

Hope to see you there.

Cetach

From alaxandair at gmail.com  Thu May 29 09:32:18 2008
From: alaxandair at gmail.com (Alaxandair O'Conchobhair)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:32:18 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Thrown Weapons Competition - May Update
Message-ID: <b0da43e60805290632r69c6b42fh18718fa6396adff3@mail.gmail.com>

Greets!

Here are the movers and shakers for the month of May!

The scores where compiled through May 15, 2008.

Stay tuned, looks like the month of June is really gonna be hop'n!!!


15.33 - Tigernach mac Cathail
08.67 - Pearce Redsmythe
07.00 - Magdalena de Mayfeld
04.34 - Patticus Maximus
02.33 - Alaxandair O'Conchobhair
01.67 - Iain mac an Bhaird
01.33 - Edward Harbinger
00.67 - Gytha Oggsdottir


Alaxandair

From zhangmingli at comcast.net  Thu May 29 12:39:59 2008
From: zhangmingli at comcast.net (lady_ming_li)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:39:59 -0000
Subject: [SCA-AE] ISO Naomi Watts
Message-ID: <g1mm8v+4dsj@eGroups.com>

Ni Hao,

Sorry for using the bandwidth, but will Naomi Watts (I can't remember 
your SCA name) please contact me.  
I have some info regarding a possible project for your class.

Thanks,
Ming Li


From baron-dur at lazerlink.net  Sat May 31 07:26:41 2008
From: baron-dur at lazerlink.net (Baron Dur of Hidden Mountain)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 07:26:41 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] Melee on the Mount Event today
Message-ID: <C466AE31.12B2B%baron-dur@lazerlink.net>


Bismallah Assalam O Alykum Wa Ramatullah Wa Barakatuh

I can't find my newsletter.  Can you give me an address for the site today?

Ma'a al Hob wa al Salam, mukhtar durr
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From jenn.strobel at gmail.com  Sat May 31 11:43:09 2008
From: jenn.strobel at gmail.com (Jenn Strobel)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:43:09 -0400
Subject: [SCA-AE] ANNOUNCE: War Practice Artisan's Forum Pictures Now
	Available
Message-ID: <2ae6b4a90805310843s24433a75i8100f401c7c24912@mail.gmail.com>

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To the Kingdom of AEthelmearc, in haste.

Pictures from the Artisan's Forum are now available at the Kingdom A&S
Website.  Go to
http://www.aeans.org/galleries/08_warPractice/08_warPractice.htm to
see the participants and their work.

With great respect.

Odriana vander Brugghe
-- 
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring
production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
-Frank Zappa

From ravenstyx at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 22:16:22 2008
From: ravenstyx at yahoo.com (Raven Styx)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SCA-AE] Siege of Glengary A&S Competition
Message-ID: <8532.8949.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know Seige is months away but I wanted to give everyone proper
notice and time for there entries.

Back again by poplar demand the Populace choice A&S contest at Siege
on Saturday September 27th.

Ticketing will open Saturday Morning at 9 am and close at 4PM. A&S
Winners announced at 4:30. Door Prize announced immediately before
court.

This contest is for both adults and children alike. There is no limit
on the number of entries, entries per person, or a limit on how many
times you can place for a prize. You are welcome to enter completed
works or works in progress.

Each person on site will get a strip of tickets when they troll in.
They can then drop one or more tickets for the displays they like
best. There is also a door prize for one of the voting populace.

The display with the most votes will choose first from our prize pool,
second highest will choose second etc. until the prizes are depleted.

You must be present to win the door prize, but if you win a populace
prize and are not present, a prize will be chosen for you and we will
let you know how to claim it.

Although they will not count for prizes, everyone is encouraged to
leave their personal tokens and individual feedback with their votes
for their favorite displays.

Jolene,

Deputy Autocrat, Siege of Glengary


Some people have a wonderful capacity to appreciate again 
and again, freshly and naively, the basic goods of life, 
with awe, pleasure, wonder, and even ecstasy.- A.H. Maslow-
  Are you one of them?