[SCA-AE] Changes to armored combat regs
odlahorde at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 6 23:51:50 EST 2007
I can understand your vehemence, however....
Having fought for numerous years with wooden shields, and having moved to a metal (aluminum) shield for the lightness factor, and having played with others shields.
I can say that my experience tells me that plastic shields are not any better, and in some regards worse than using metal or plywood shields.
I agree about garden hose on the edge of shields, which is why I cover mine with cloth.
Armor - plastic armor - can be hidden, by various means.
The arguement given before was that a plastic shield is not easily hidden.
The hoses are.
Rattan is a MAJOR change from period, but it is a MAJOR safety factor item.
Rattan does not splinter. no danger of eyes being demolished. with real weapons there is a very real threat to health for many people.
Each person is entitled to their own opinion on if a regulation is just, stupid, or dangerous.
That's all I can really say about one. You feel strongly about this issue, as do others on the list. I hope that we can all agree by the time the regs go into affect.
Taranach <taranach at gmail.com> wrote:
Sir Koredono wrote:
> On 2/6/07, Iain mac an Bhaird wrote:
>> >I felt that the reasons given me were quite reasonable and acceptable.
>> I'm just curious: what are those reasons, for the shields anyway?
>> (because boy am I gonna hear it when I pass this news on...)
> The primary reasons were:
> aesthetics - no matter how much they're covered, they still end up looking
> horribly inauthentic, and most plastic shields don't even get painted or
> have the 'barrel lumps' taken off them,
I see... but having green plastic garden hose hanging off of the edges
*is* acceptable.... and then Brightly taped sticks of rattan with duct
tape and foam *are* acceptably "Authentic"... we can suspend our
disbelief for "those" safety items... but not for this other "safety
item".... I am not certain as to the total number of plastic shields
that fit this "horribly inauthentic looking" criteria, but I am quite
certain it does not come anywhere close to even ten percent of the total
usage of rattan, duct tape, and foam that is to be seen on the typical
> combat authenticity - they just don't act like period shields, even ones of
> the same surface area and mass
Here again... does Rattan behave in the same manner as a sword? even if
it is of the same size and weight? Have enough people used and compared
period shields enough to make a valid comparison? How can you claim
"combat authenticity" in one area based on "how it acts" and not in
another... I'd also like to know how our current "aluminum and plywood"
actually measures up against the authentic actions of period shields...
I'm sorry... the arguments are very tenuous at best... especially when
the attempt at increased "authenticity" in a place that might be
considered marginally less "dangerous" is given such a halfhearted
attempt. Is plastic armor going to be next? It's just as "horribly
inauthentic" and it sounds different and it reacts a lot different than
regular "period" armor... and all that foam.... it reacts a lot
differently than real period padding...
Give me a break... neither of these "arguments" holds any more water
than chainmail. In the interest of cost effectiveness, safety and
perhaps not restricting "who can play" I believe that these should not
be considered rules, but rather, strong suggestions to avoid, if
possible, the use of plastics in the interests of said authenticity.
> Sir Koredono
I suppose I am fortunate that I do not get into heavy weapons fighting
all that much, however, I do worry about how this is going to affect
things like siege weapons and combat archery... those two rely on some
of the heavy weapons rules, and I may have to rethink how much I will be
able (or want) to play. I can afford to get barrel plastic to make my
armor and possibly a shield... I cannot afford several hundred dollars
to get a full metal kit and shield.
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