[SCA-AE] Crown Tourney Question/personal banner display?

[Rob Baldassano]

Why require submission of arms to the Heralds to fight in crown? 
   
  Coming from out of Kingdom I can tell you why other groups do so....
   
  When you become King & Queen, you have responsibilities and requirements to the Kingdom. Granted during your reign that you bear the arms of the Kingdom, but when you step down and are receiving your County it's expected that there will be a coat of arms to put onto the scroll.
   
  But is that the only reason to require that one have their heraldry submitted to the college of Heralds? 
   
  The basic things that would make it reasonable to "pay the price" of submission: 
   
  1) playing the game. We're all about playing the game, and if we are playing, then why not play the whole thing. the SCA defines part of that playing of the game as registering your name and device. 
  After all, "King Sir Not appearing in this film" would not be a happy occurence would it? 
   
  2) Pomp and circumstance. 
  What makes a better show of our populace? a long line of white shields, with no blazoning of devices, or individual devices displayed on one shield, with a banner beside it? 
   
  To my untrained eye, I would have to say the latter of these is the desired affect. 
   
  For the record, no I am not fighting in crown, and at this point in time, even if I would have had the letters prepared, I can not in good conscience say that I could fulfill the duties of the Crown should I win at this time. therefore, it is my decision not fight in crown, but to go to crown, and if "side bar fighting" is available, then make myself available for it. 
   
  Humbly, 
  --Eirik
  

snaebjorn_h <snaebjorn_h at yahoo.com> wrote:
  I went back and read this. I don't think the question is whether the
cost of submission was a problem. We all know that that has to be paid
for.

I think the question is really can a requirement to fight crown be put
in place that makes it so you MUST pay the submission fee? This means
in order to fight crown that you must pay more then the required
membership fee.

Somehow I don't think its truly an issue though. I think that the
requirements are fully legal though I may disagree with some of them
personally.

In service,
Lord Snaebjorn

--- In sca-aethelmearc at yahoogroups.com, "Rich G" 
wrote:
>
> > > - All participants in Crown Tournament must display a personal
banner.
> > > Use of the Kingdom's Arms will not suffice. You must have a personal
> > > device. It does not have to be passed but it must be submitted.
>
> Forgive me for bringing this up, but does this requirement not violate
> Corpora? Specifically IV.F.4:
>
> 4. No law may require members or branches to make donations to the
treasury
> of the realm.
> Laws which discuss voluntary donations are acceptable, as are those
which
> mandate reasonable fees for events and services or discuss financial
> arrangements for the realm's main events sponsored by local branches.
>
> ------------------------
>
> Since the submission of an heraldic device requires a financial
contribution
> to the treasury of the realm, specifically the Æthelmearc CoA, it would
> appear that this provision may not comply with Corpora. If the
Kingdom's
> portion of the submission fees were waived or reimbursed for
entrants then I
> think this might pass muster. As written it seems very hazy and
subject to a
> great deal of interpretation.

> Rich Goranson (Lord Stephan Calvert deGrey)
> Amherst, NY, USA (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, Æthelmearc)


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