[SCA-AE] Master & Mistress & a view on Land

[fridrikr at rochester.rr.com]

That depends.....

The Barons, in English history were actually the greatest land
holders... remember the Baron's Revolt & the Magna Carta... the Dukes &
Counts (& Princes & Viscounts) tended to be relatives of the Crown and,
relative to the Barons, held little land & power.

In the SCA, however, the power comes from having won Crown, thus the
Royal Peers rank higher in power (& in the Order of Things) than do
Barons.  Further, in the SCA, we have a seemingly unlimited number of
Counts, Dukes, Viscounts, & Barons.

Where this all started out, though, was not where do the Barons walk wrt
the Royal Peers, but where do the Barons walk wrt the NON-Royal Peers. 
There things are quite a bit murkier.  In history, such folk would have
been, the closest as I can draw the analogy, either Knights or Guild
Masters/Mistresses.  If we are looking at historical precedence, then
The Landed Barons would have clearly ranked above the Non-Royal Peers. 
However, in the SCA, it's not all that clear.

That was the discussion I was looking for, I guess.  Where do you place
the Landed Barons wrt the Non-Royal Peers?  How about the retired Landed
Barons?  Why do you place the  "plain" Court Barons behind the Grants,
including the Grants Simple (those w/o an Order of High Merit)?  And, as
an adjunct to that question, are there any Court Barons or Baronesses
who do not have at least a Grant of Arms?

::FRIDRIKR::

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Luby <donald.luby at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Master & Mistress & a view on Land
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org


> All that is the case here, and in the other 'Eastern-rite' 
> kingdoms; 
> the relevant issue, from my perspective, is how do / should Landed 
> Barons rank *outside* of their own lands.
> 
> > Rich Goranson (Lord Stephan Calvert deGrey)
> > Amherst, NY, USA (Barony of the Rhydderich Hael, Æthelmearc)
> 
> 
> Sir Koredono
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