[SCA-AE] Master & Mistress & a view on Land

[fridrikr at rochester.rr.com]

Whatever you want, Your Grace :)  It has been my experience, however,
that it is the "hat" or the title that carries precedence.  Thus, all
Barons is my contention.


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From: dorinda.e.courtine-white at Cummins.com
Date: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:14 am
Subject: Re: [SCA-AE] Master & Mistress & a view on Land
To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
Cc: sca-aethelmearc-bounces at lists.andrew.cmu.edu, discussion at aethelmearc.org

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> All Barons or the seven that hold land right now?  Or do you want a
> discussion on both scenarios?
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> That depends on your point of view :)  Master & Mistress are generally
> reserved for companions of the Peerage orders (Laurel & Pelican &, on
> rare occasions, Chivalry).  How important and/or common they are is in
> the eye of the beholder.... though the SCA considers them to be fairly
> significant titles.
> 
> Here I'll piggyback a comment on where Barons & Baronesses fit in the
> Order of Things.  Please note that I argue against myself here (as 
> bothBaron & Peer) and that it has very little cosequence as 
> AEthelmearcalmost never (and I do mean NEVER) holds a Precedence 
> March.
> Just my opinion, mind you, that the title of Baron/Baroness should 
> rankabove Master/Mistress/Sir/Dame or whatever else you call a Non-
> RoyalPeer.  The concept has to do with Land and Power.  In the real 
> MiddleAges, the Landed Barons were major power brokers in England 
> becaue they
> were among the wealthiet of men because they held land. So did 
> Dukes &
> Counts.  In Aethelmearc, only 7 Barons can claim any "ownership" of
> land; neither Counts, Dukes, nor old retired or Count Barons can do 
> so. However, their titles indicate the rank of great landowner.
> Master/Mistress etc. do not.
> 
> So, just for argument's sake, and not looking to ruffle the 
> feathers of
> the Pelicans orv the leaves of the Laurels or... well, the metaphor 
> sortof tails off... why DO we rank the Non-Royal Peers ahead of the 
> Barons? Why not follow the period model & rank Barons ahead of Non-
> Royal Peers?
> 
> ::FRIDRIKR::
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christopher House <chris at english-setters.net>
> Date: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:04 am
> Subject: Re: Alternate Titles of Rank - (was RE: [SCA-AE] OT
> Constitutionallawwas Some persona help)
> To: discussion at aethelmearc.org
> 
> > I was actually more interested in the placement of things such as
> > Master and
> > Mistress.  Now in my limited usage of such things they were the
> > more common
> > everyday titles akin to goodman or goodwoman.  Is this not the
> > case?  Are
> > they in fact something more important?
> >
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