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    Gabriele,<br>
    <br>
    The attached patch is what I was thinking in terms of
    implementation.  It skips the grouping by subject for REFS, but I
    didn't do the REFS-specific date handling.  Contrary to what the
    THREAD=REFS draft says, I'm not sure if the special date handling
    should be done in step 4 or 6.  I would have to did deeper into the
    code to see where is belongs.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/08/2016 11:36 AM, Gabriele Bulfon
      via Info-cyrus wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:6694663.436.1467992167335.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
      type="cite">
      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">Mainly web
        clients, installed clients usually implements threading
        internally to overcome problems with the original references
        algorithm that is often confusing.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;"><br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">The problem with
        references is that it includes subject grouping, that is an old
        netscape model of the 90s: today, we just need references within
        the headers ids, or we may take a wrong message in the thread
        just because it has a similar subject (for example automatic
        mails with same subjects would be treated as a thread, which is
        wrong).</div>
      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;"><br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">Now, we're staring
        to implement threading view on our web collaboration software,
        running on cyrus.</div>
      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">So we are
        investigating how RoundCube is doing threading on a dovecot
        installation, and we found it to be the same as the client
        algrithm of Thunderbird, which is fine. Looking at the protocol,
        it uses REFS first, probably because it has no subject grouping
        by definition, and it should have a better date sorting. Should,
        because I found that Dovecot does not sort it reversed...</div>
      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;"><br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">Maybe I will ask
        Dovecot guys why they choose to keep sort same as references: I
        suspect that claim to support refs, but actually the do the same
        references functions, but never do subject grouping.<br>
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          <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Music: </b><a
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          <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Quantum Mechanics : </b><a
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              href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon"
              target="_new"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon</a></a></div>
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        <br>
        <hr><br>
        <br>
        <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>Da:</b>
          Ken Murchison <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:murch@andrew.cmu.edu"><murch@andrew.cmu.edu></a><br>
          <b>A:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gbulfon@sonicle.com">gbulfon@sonicle.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu">info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a>
          <br>
          <b>Data:</b> 8 luglio 2016 17.17.32 CEST<br>
          <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: thread=refs<br>
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          <p><br>
          </p>
          <br>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/08/2016 11:08 AM, Gabriele
            Bulfon wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote
            cite="mid:13231554.430.1467990539863.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
            type="cite">
            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">Ok, sure,
              but still two issues remain other than the draft:</div>
            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">- we need to
              get rid of subject grouping in REFS, it only brings
              disorder, merging stuff that is not related</div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          I believe that the parameterization of the core functions
          should be able to handle this.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <blockquote
            cite="mid:13231554.430.1467990539863.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
            type="cite">
            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">- I would
              try to guess why dovecot does not change sorting in REFS,
              keeping it same as REFERENCES</div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          I would contact that Dovecot authors and find out which
          version of the THREAD=REFS draft they based their work on.<br>
          <br>
          BTW, which clients use THREAD=REFS?<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <blockquote
            cite="mid:13231554.430.1467990539863.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
            type="cite">
            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;"><br>
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                <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Sonicle S.r.l. </b>:
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Music: </b><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    href="http://www.gabrielebulfon.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gabrielebulfon.com">http://www.gabrielebulfon.com</a></a></div>
                <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Quantum Mechanics :
                  </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon</a></div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <hr><br>
              <br>
              <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>Da:</b>
                Ken Murchison <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:murch@andrew.cmu.edu"><murch@andrew.cmu.edu></a><br>
                <b>A:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:gbulfon@sonicle.com">gbulfon@sonicle.com</a>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu">info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a>
                <br>
                <b>Data:</b> 8 luglio 2016 16.39.17 CEST<br>
                <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: thread=refs<br>
              </font><br>
              <br>
              <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid;
                MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
                <p>Is there an actual RFC? All I find is
                  draft-ietf-morg-inthread-01. Looking at that draft,
                  the only difference between REFS ad REFERENCES is
                  this:</p>
                <pre class="newpage">    THREAD=REFS sorts threads by the most recent INTERNALDATE in each
    thread, replacing THREAD=REFERENCES step (4). This means that when a
    new message arrives, its thread becomes the latest thread. (Note
    that while threads are sorted by arrival date, messages within a
    thread are sorted by sent date, just as for THREAD=REFERENCES.)


</pre>
                This being the case, I don't think we need two copies of
                the threading functions. I'd modify the exiting
                functions to take an additional parameter to specify
                whether we're doing REFS or REFERENCES and then have 2
                wrapper functions which call the main function with the
                parameter set appropriately for the given algorithm.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/08/2016 10:03 AM,
                  Gabriele Bulfon wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote
                  cite="mid:10757728.421.1467986639278.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
                  type="cite">
                  <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">Ok, it
                    works :) but checking against dovecot
                    implementation, it looks like they have refs order
                    same as references, but without subject grouping.
                    AFAIK the RFC on refs says ordering of dates within
                    the group should be reversed. Am I wrong?<br>
                    <br>
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                      </div>
                      <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Sonicle S.r.l.
                        </b>: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          href="http://www.sonicle.com">http://www.sonicle.com</a></div>
                      <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Music: </b><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          href="http://www.gabrielebulfon.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gabrielebulfon.com">http://www.gabrielebulfon.com</a></a></div>
                      <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Quantum
                          Mechanics : </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon</a></div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <hr><br>
                    <br>
                    <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>Da:</b>
                      Gabriele Bulfon via Info-cyrus <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu"><info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu></a></a><br>
                      <b>A:</b> Ken Murchison <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        href="mailto:murch@andrew.cmu.edu"><murch@andrew.cmu.edu></a>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu">info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a>
                      <br>
                      <b>Data:</b> 8 luglio 2016 15.22.56 CEST<br>
                      <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: thread=refs<br>
                    </font><br>
                    <br>
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                      MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
                      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">Testing

                        ;) and checking against a dovecot machine with
                        refs and same messages.</div>
                      <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13;">Will
                        let you know<br>
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                          <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Sonicle
                              S.r.l. </b>: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.sonicle.com/"
                              target="_new">http://www.sonicle.com</a></div>
                          <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Music: </b><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                              href="http://www.gabrielebulfon.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gabrielebulfon.com">http://www.gabrielebulfon.com</a></a></div>
                          <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Quantum
                              Mechanics : </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                              href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon</a></div>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <hr><br>
                        <br>
                        <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"
                          size="2"><b>Da:</b> Ken Murchison <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                            href="mailto:murch@andrew.cmu.edu"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:murch@andrew.cmu.edu"><murch@andrew.cmu.edu></a></a><br>
                          <b>A:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                            href="mailto:gbulfon@sonicle.com">gbulfon@sonicle.com</a>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                            href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu">info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a>
                          <br>
                          <b>Data:</b> 8 luglio 2016 15.02.38 CEST<br>
                          <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: thread=refs<br>
                        </font><br>
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                          <p><br>
                          </p>
                          <br>
                          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/07/2016
                            02:03 PM, Gabriele Bulfon via Info-cyrus
                            wrote:<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote
                            cite="mid:139418.370.1467914635571.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
                            type="cite">
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">I can finally get back to this after
                              so many months!</div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">I checked the sources, and I actually
                              see it doesn't look very hard.</div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;"><br>
                            </div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">Looks like:</div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">- renaming all functions like
                              "index_thread_ref" into
                              "index_thread_references"</div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">- duplicate them as
                              "index_thread_refs"</div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">- let "references" alg call the
                              "references" funcs</div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">- add support for "refs" in
                              thread_algs and let them call the "refs"
                              funcs</div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <br>
                          Makes sense.<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <blockquote
                            cite="mid:139418.370.1467914635571.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
                            type="cite">
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;"><br>
                            </div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">then:</div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">- completely remove the call to
                              "ref_group_subjects", we don't want it at
                              all in refs</div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">- change the sortcrit to use the
                              SORT_REVERSE modifier</div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <br>
                          As long as you mean making these changes for
                          just the "refs" variant and not both.<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <blockquote
                            cite="mid:139418.370.1467914635571.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
                            type="cite">
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;"><br>
                            </div>
                            <div style="font-family: Arial; font-size:
                              13;">what do you think? may be fine?<br>
                              <br>
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                                <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Music:
                                  </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                    href="http://www.gabrielebulfon.com">http://www.gabrielebulfon.com</a></div>
                                <div style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Quantum

                                    Mechanics : </b><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                    href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gabrielebulfon</a></a></div>
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                              <br>
                              <hr><br>
                              <br>
                              <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"
                                size="2"><b>Da:</b> Ken Murchison <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                  href="mailto:murch@andrew.cmu.edu"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:murch@andrew.cmu.edu"><murch@andrew.cmu.edu></a></a><br>
                                <b>A:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                  href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu">info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a>
                                <br>
                                <b>Data:</b> 5 ottobre 2015 14.04.02
                                CEST<br>
                                <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: thread=refs<br>
                              </font><br>
                              <br>
                              <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080
                                2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
                                PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> As far as I can
                                tell, the last specification for
                                thread=refs was here:<a
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                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                  href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-inthread-01"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-inthread-01">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-inthread-01</a></a><br>
                                <br>
                                To implement this you want to look at
                                index.c in the Cyrus source and add
                                another entry to the thread_algs[]
                                array. I'm guessing that you can reuse a
                                lot of the existing index_thread_ref()
                                code (which is probably needs to be
                                renamed to index_thread_references()).<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                  10/05/2015 06:07 AM, Gabriele Bulfon
                                  wrote:<br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote
                                  cite="mid:18262603.71.1444039631264.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
                                  type="cite">
                                  <div style="font-family: Verdana;
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                                    <div id="wt-mailcard">Great, Ken.
                                      Can you give me some advice /
                                      pointer to the sources I should
                                      look at?</div>
                                    <div id="wt-mailcard"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div id="wt-mailcard">Gabriele</div>
                                    <br>
                                    <hr><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <font face="Arial, Helvetica,
                                      sans-serif" size="2"><b>Da:</b>
                                      Ken Murchison <a
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                                      <b>A:</b> <a
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href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu">info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a></a>
                                      <br>
                                      <b>Data:</b> 2 ottobre 2015
                                      19.08.04 CEST<br>
                                      <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: thread=refs<br>
                                    </font><br>
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                                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                        10/02/2015 10:53 AM, Gabriele
                                        Bulfon wrote:<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote
                                        cite="mid:11844453.9.1443797615639.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
                                        type="cite">
                                        <div style="font-family:
                                          Verdana; font-size: 12;">
                                          <div id="wt-mailcard">Nice,
                                            it's not a big deal for us
                                            to upgrade to new versions,
                                            surely easier than porting
                                            to Dovecot! ;)<br>
                                            <br>
                                            So, maybe we can help with
                                            the implementation.</div>
                                          <div id="wt-mailcard">In my
                                            mind, it's almost about
                                            changing the
                                            "thread=reference" and let
                                            it omit the subject
                                            matching, change sorting</div>
                                          <div id="wt-mailcard">and...maybe

                                            just this? How much hard do
                                            you think it is?</div>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                      </blockquote>
                                      <br>
                                      That sounds about right from what
                                      I remember of THREAD=REFERENCES
                                      (which I co-authored and
                                      implemented) and THREAD=REFS
                                      (which I think was last documented
                                      in 2010).<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <blockquote
                                        cite="mid:11844453.9.1443797615639.JavaMail.sonicle@www"
                                        type="cite">
                                        <div style="font-family:
                                          Verdana; font-size: 12;">
                                          <hr><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <font face="Arial, Helvetica,
                                            sans-serif" size="2"><b>Da:</b>
                                            Bron Gondwana <a
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                                            <b>A:</b> <a
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href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu">info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a></a>
                                            <br>
                                            <b>Data:</b> 2 ottobre 2015
                                            12.59.08 CEST<br>
                                            <b>Oggetto:</b> Re:
                                            thread=refs<br>
                                          </font><br>
                                          <br>
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                                            style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080
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                                            <div>No, there isn't. The
                                              conversations work in 3.0
                                              beta contains a lot of
                                              what would be required to
                                              efficiently implement
                                              THREAD=REFS, but nobody
                                              has done the work to
                                              implement it.<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div>It certainly will never
                                              be backported to the 2.4
                                              series, which is only
                                              getting security updates
                                              and fixes for major bugs
                                              now.<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div>Regards,<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div>Bron.<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div>On Fri, Oct 2, 2015, at
                                              18:40, Gabriele Bulfon
                                              wrote:<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div>Hi,<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div>we have systems
                                                running cyrus 2.4.12,
                                                where thread algorithms
                                                are only references and
                                                orderedsubject.<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Is there support for
                                                the thread=refs
                                                algorithm?<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div>Thanks<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Gabriele<br>
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