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Carlos, Alice 3 definitely saves backups. I don’t think it’s even possible to turn this setting off. This is what it looks like on Mac (see attached screenshot). We don’t use networked drives, so I don’t know. Maybe that makes the backups not work in your situation.
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<div>I get what you mean about the students being frustrated. Mine are frustrated about the crashes and freezes, too. Despite all my years of using Alice, I would drop it if there was an alternative for novices to learn about programming in the context of a
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<div>On Apr 11, 2025, at 7:01 AM, Carlos Bovell via alice-teachers <alice-teachers@lists.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:</div>
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Thanks for responding. It hasn't been our experience that Alice 3 saves backups for students. If there's a setting for that, maybe that could help mitigate the problem. Although I have the students trying to save as often as they remember to, there have been
a few times where Alice 3 suddenly crashes/closes with the last 10-20 minutes' worth of work lost. When it happens to the same student — even just twice — they become less motivated to put forth effort and start saying things to me like, "This app is trash."
I saw it happen to two students and a third student claims it happened to him too. This third student has tried three different student stations because his Alice 3 worlds keep freezing. We are saving our worlds to a network drive. Could that have something
to do with it? (I've used Alice 3 for the last part of the school year for years now and this is the first time we've had this issue.)</div>
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If others have had similar issues and especially found a workaround, I'd be happy to try to problem solve. Otherwise, we'll change direction and work with the Finches until the end of the school year.</div>
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Carlos, I don’t see it happen in class too much, but the students report crashes while working on homework projects. I remind them that Alice saves backup files, so they may not have lost everything. They are in the same folder as the project, with the Alice
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Help! Morale is getting low. Alice 3 is closing suddenly on students without warning. We are using Dell Optiplex 7000s Windows 11 Pro. Anyone else familiar with something like this happening? </div>
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