<div dir="ltr"><div>Eric:<br><br></div>Here is a paper comparing Alice, Greenfoot and Scratch that might help you persuade your principal.<br><div><br><a href="https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/pubs/2010/3071/content.pdf">https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/pubs/2010/3071/content.pdf</a><br>
<br></div><div>I teach Alice 2.3 to 8th graders and they are mostly making games, not movies for their projects. Some of their games are very complicated and they are definitely pushing it to the limit.<br><br></div><div>
I also teach Greenfoot to 10th-12th graders. This might be something you might look into if you are forced to replace Alice. It has a simple interface for creating 2D games and simulations, but it is Java code. It's definitely more difficult than Alice, but starts out very simply.<br>
<br></div><div>Debbie<br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:11 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alice-teachers-request@lists.andrew.cmu.edu" target="_blank">alice-teachers-request@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Subject: Re: alice-teacher just need to vent.<br>
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Eric,<br>
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Attached are a couple of documents that may be of some help to you.<br>
Most of these documents were used/prepared for a presentation we<br>
made to the Chicago Public School System, where they are adopting Alice<br>
system-wide.<br>
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I replied to the entire list with these attachments because I figured<br>
Eric may<br>
not be alone in having to justify CS and Alice.<br>
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Wanda<br>
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On 6/2/2014 3:25 PM, Eric Lozaw wrote:<br>
> Sorry for this post, but I really need to vent. They are cutting Alice for next year in my school. I then went on explaining how it is a really good program and gets the students ready for AP Java. My vice principle, who does have a math background, says arent' they just making movies. Also there isn't any prerequisite on the AP homepage for Computer Science. I then began to explain how it's not just about making movies that we discuss all these wonderful computer terms and that it helps to develop an understanding of Java. I also mentioned that you wouldn't expect a student to go into AP Calculus without some prerequisites. And there is nothing on AP homepage about requiring students to take pre-Calc first. Our conversation ended because of parents needed to see her.<br>
> Basically I guess my question is this, does anyone have any suggestions on ways to recruit students and/or sway administration to be more in favor of this class.<br>
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