<div dir="ltr">I agree with Phil Funk's comment. I use Scratch with grades 4-6, Alice 2x with grades 7-8, and Alice 3x with grade 9. It's a nice transition up to Alice 3x and Java.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Funk, Philip <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:P.Funk@snhu.edu" target="_blank">P.Funk@snhu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Regarding question from Susan in Vol 46 Issue 5, I completely agree with the response from Marilynn regarding using Alice 2.x vs. Alice 3.x. Don't worry about students who have done some Java programming. That probably means they are aware of the need for syntax considerations such as semi-colons and braces. Alice eliminates those needs.<br>
In terms of teaching principles and concepts, there is a lot more to be learned from a semester with Alice than there would be from two semesters with Java (obviously my opinion - based on some experience - here).<br>
If you are beginning with sixth graders, you might consider starting out with Scratch (<a href="http://scratch.mit.edu" target="_blank">http://scratch.mit.edu</a>) and then transitioning to Alice.<br>
Phil Funk<br>
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I do have the occasional student who is already programming in Java.<br>
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> Marilynn Huret <mailto:<a href="mailto:mhuret@mindspring.com">mhuret@mindspring.com</a>> May 7, 2014 at 10:19 AM<br>
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> If you are introducing it to middle schoolers, Alice2 would be most<br>
> appropriate since it involves language and abilities geared to that<br>
> age group. alice 3 is not an upgrade, it is a more enhanced version<br>
> leading to development in java.<br>
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> >I teach middle school technology (6-8th grades), I want to<br>
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