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doing. We are doing Scratch right now in all grades. For my advanced and
 capable students, those that are Scratch "experts" I'm allowing them to
 do an independent project instead of my lessons. Everyone else is 
learning Scratch, even some 8th graders. Next year, I want to transition
 my 7th and 8th Graders to Alice. Thanks for your feedback, it is so 
helpful.<br>
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Susan<br>
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div>Regarding question from 
Susan in Vol 46 Issue 5, I completely agree with the response from 
Marilynn regarding using Alice 2.x vs. Alice 3.x.  Don't worry about 
students who have done some Java programming.  That probably means they 
are aware of the need for syntax considerations such as semi-colons and 
braces.  Alice eliminates those needs.<br>In terms of teaching 
principles and concepts, there is a lot more to be learned from a 
semester with Alice than there would be from two semesters with Java 
(obviously my opinion - based on some experience - here).<br>If you are 
beginning with sixth graders, you might consider starting out with 
Scratch (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://scratch.mit.edu">http://scratch.mit.edu</a>) and then transitioning to Alice.<br>   
     Phil Funk<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: 
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alice-teachers-bounces+p.funk=snhu.edu@lists.andrew.cmu.edu">alice-teachers-bounces+p.funk=snhu.edu@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a> 
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 1<br>Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 11:17:18 -0400<br>From: Susan Stein 
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:susan@susanstein.org">&lt;susan@susanstein.org&gt;</a><br>Subject: Re: alice-teacher Alice 2 or 3 
for middle schoolRe: s Digest,<br>        Vol 46, Issue 5<br>To: 
Marilynn Huret <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mhuret@mindspring.com">&lt;mhuret@mindspring.com&gt;</a>,     Alice educators<br>   
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