<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">This is the same issue, and it is a problem with Alice 2.4.1… We are working on this and will soon have a fix that will be released soon. <div><br></div><div>You may want to go back to version 2.3.5, available on the Alce 2 Previous Releases page, until the new release comes out…</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://www.alice.org/index.php?page=downloads/alice2.2_archive">http://www.alice.org/index.php?page=downloads/alice2.2_archive</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for your patience,</div><div><br></div><div>Don Slater</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Deane Fistick <<a href="mailto:deane.fistick@ecotoh.org">deane.fistick@ecotoh.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Don,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">This may be the same or related issue that you responded to P. Funk on 2/3/14 about having trouble with the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>While</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on his Mac.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I created a Boolean operator exercise for my students with Alice 2.3. One option is for them to use a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>WHILE</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>event with an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>AND</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to test 2 conditions. Their other option is to use an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>WHEN</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>event with an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>OR</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to test 2 conditions.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The idea is that if a sailboat gets too close to the rocks, it crashes and burns.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Myself and my students are using<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>2.4.1</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> (with no updates available) on Windows machines.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>WHILE/AND</u></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>event does<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>NOT</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>work for us. As soon as a key is pressed to move the sailboat, the program acts like the boat crashes. I tested the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>WHILE/AND</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>program with 2.2, 2.3, and 2.4 (pre 2.4.1) and it works OK with the older versions.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The WHEN/OR event works fine in the current 2.4.1 version.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Any ideas?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Attached please find copies of both programs.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mr. Deane Fistick<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Electronic Classroom Of Tomorrow (ECOT)<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">HS Computer Programming Teacher<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1-888-326-8395 ext. 3640<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:deane.fistick@ecotoh.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">deane.fistick@ecotoh.org</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><span><While-AND sailboat crash.a2w></span><span><When-OR sailboat crash.a2w></span>_______________________________________________<br>alice-teachers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:alice-teachers@lists.andrew.cmu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">alice-teachers@lists.andrew.cmu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>