From macarey at usd288.org Thu Oct 6 09:02:12 2022 From: macarey at usd288.org (Michael Carey) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 08:02:12 -0500 Subject: alice-teacher Alice--for Chrome Books? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Thursday, October 6, 2022 Laurie I am a CSI Educator from Kansas. Has any progress been made in setting up Alice to run on a Chromebook (which my students have)? My IT does not want to get into Linux. I am using Scratch as an introduction for Middle School students to programming logic and I would like to step up to Alice to continue that concept. c=x MIchael A. Carey USD 287 West Franklin MIddle School / High School CSI On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 2:22 PM Melanie Lam wrote: > Hi Laurie, > > Alice 2 and Alice 3 should be able to run (with known bugs/caveats) on > Chromebooks in the Linux development environment. However, it's not > something that most school IT departments allow for many reasons. We are > working on providing instructions for installing and running on a > Chromebook. > > thanks, > Melanie > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:49 AM Laurie Cohen wrote: > >> Hi. I haven't taught Alice in a few years, but I have been asked to >> introduce it (or something similar) to a 6th grade class for their >> electives day, then follow up monthly with them. I have many lessons and >> activities for Alice 2.0. >> >> However, they now only have ChromeBooks. >> >> Can Alice be used? I know this is the "Alice Teachers Resource group", >> but is there another app or website you all would recommend? >> I introduced Blockly to them last year and they went thru much of what is >> available on the code.org site. >> >> I only have a few days figure this all out. >> >> Your help and suggestions are greatly appreciated. >> >> Laurie Cohen >> Educational Consultant >> Silver Spring, Maryland >> >> _______________________________________________ >> alice-teachers mailing list >> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu >> To change settings or unsubscribe visit: >> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > > _______________________________________________ > alice-teachers mailing list > alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > To change settings or unsubscribe visit: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers -- USD 288 Central Heights Schools 3521 Ellis Road Richmond, KS 66080 785.869.3555 ext 1424 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From melanielam at cmu.edu Fri Oct 14 17:01:50 2022 From: melanielam at cmu.edu (Melanie Lam) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:01:50 -0700 Subject: alice-teacher Alice--for Chrome Books? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Michael, The only way for Alice to run on Chromebooks is through the native Linux OS. Many IT departments will not support this. Another option for schools/districts to explore is using Amazon's AppStream service to have a 'virtual computer lab' so students can access apps like Alice or Blender through a browser. -Melanie On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:48 PM Michael Carey wrote: > Thursday, October 6, 2022 > > Laurie > I am a CSI Educator from Kansas. Has any progress been made in setting up > Alice to run on a Chromebook (which my students have)? My IT does not want > to get into Linux. I am using Scratch as an introduction for Middle School > students to programming logic and I would like to step up to Alice to > continue that concept. > > c=x > MIchael A. Carey > USD 287 West Franklin > MIddle School / High School CSI > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 2:22 PM Melanie Lam wrote: > >> Hi Laurie, >> >> Alice 2 and Alice 3 should be able to run (with known bugs/caveats) on >> Chromebooks in the Linux development environment. However, it's not >> something that most school IT departments allow for many reasons. We are >> working on providing instructions for installing and running on a >> Chromebook. >> >> thanks, >> Melanie >> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:49 AM Laurie Cohen wrote: >> >>> Hi. I haven't taught Alice in a few years, but I have been asked to >>> introduce it (or something similar) to a 6th grade class for their >>> electives day, then follow up monthly with them. I have many lessons and >>> activities for Alice 2.0. >>> >>> However, they now only have ChromeBooks. >>> >>> Can Alice be used? I know this is the "Alice Teachers Resource group", >>> but is there another app or website you all would recommend? >>> I introduced Blockly to them last year and they went thru much of what >>> is available on the code.org site. >>> >>> I only have a few days figure this all out. >>> >>> Your help and suggestions are greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Laurie Cohen >>> Educational Consultant >>> Silver Spring, Maryland >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> alice-teachers mailing list >>> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu >>> To change settings or unsubscribe visit: >>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers >> >> _______________________________________________ >> alice-teachers mailing list >> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu >> To change settings or unsubscribe visit: >> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > > > > -- > USD 288 Central Heights Schools > 3521 Ellis Road > Richmond, KS 66080 > 785.869.3555 ext 1424 > _______________________________________________ > alice-teachers mailing list > alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > To change settings or unsubscribe visit: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diana.cassidy at irvingtonschools.org Sat Oct 15 19:30:02 2022 From: diana.cassidy at irvingtonschools.org (Diana Cassidy) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 19:30:02 -0400 Subject: alice-teacher Alice--for Chrome Books? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We use Cameyo to do Alice on Chromebooks. It is an online application virtualization. https://cameyo.com/ On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 12:02 PM < alice-teachers-request at lists.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > Send alice-teachers mailing list submissions to > alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > alice-teachers-request at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > alice-teachers-owner at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of alice-teachers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Alice--for Chrome Books? (Michael Carey) > 2. Re: Alice--for Chrome Books? (Melanie Lam) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 08:02:12 -0500 > From: Michael Carey > To: Alice educators > Subject: Re: alice-teacher Alice--for Chrome Books? > Message-ID: > y0Z+tkfA9oP84JhP7LMmWgZJbw9vqfP2-dC-qLuo9Nsw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thursday, October 6, 2022 > > Laurie > I am a CSI Educator from Kansas. Has any progress been made in setting up > Alice to run on a Chromebook (which my students have)? My IT does not want > to get into Linux. I am using Scratch as an introduction for Middle School > students to programming logic and I would like to step up to Alice to > continue that concept. > > c=x > MIchael A. Carey > USD 287 West Franklin > MIddle School / High School CSI > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 2:22 PM Melanie Lam wrote: > > > Hi Laurie, > > > > Alice 2 and Alice 3 should be able to run (with known bugs/caveats) on > > Chromebooks in the Linux development environment. However, it's not > > something that most school IT departments allow for many reasons. We are > > working on providing instructions for installing and running on a > > Chromebook. > > > > thanks, > > Melanie > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:49 AM Laurie Cohen > wrote: > > > >> Hi. I haven't taught Alice in a few years, but I have been asked to > >> introduce it (or something similar) to a 6th grade class for their > >> electives day, then follow up monthly with them. I have many lessons and > >> activities for Alice 2.0. > >> > >> However, they now only have ChromeBooks. > >> > >> Can Alice be used? I know this is the "Alice Teachers Resource group", > >> but is there another app or website you all would recommend? > >> I introduced Blockly to them last year and they went thru much of what > is > >> available on the code.org site. > >> > >> I only have a few days figure this all out. > >> > >> Your help and suggestions are greatly appreciated. > >> > >> Laurie Cohen > >> Educational Consultant > >> Silver Spring, Maryland > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> alice-teachers mailing list > >> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > >> To change settings or unsubscribe visit: > >> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > > > > _______________________________________________ > > alice-teachers mailing list > > alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > > To change settings or unsubscribe visit: > > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > > > > -- > USD 288 Central Heights Schools > 3521 Ellis Road > Richmond, KS 66080 > 785.869.3555 ext 1424 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/alice-teachers/attachments/20221006/297cb46f/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:01:50 -0700 > From: Melanie Lam > To: Alice educators > Subject: Re: alice-teacher Alice--for Chrome Books? > Message-ID: > < > CAAuKJEG+UY1jrCrsQeZmD8qdp0AUD8RJMnscPXF-nBoNr8zi+g at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Michael, > > The only way for Alice to run on Chromebooks is through the native Linux > OS. Many IT departments will not support this. > Another option for schools/districts to explore is using Amazon's AppStream > service to have a 'virtual computer lab' so students can access apps like > Alice or Blender through a browser. > > -Melanie > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:48 PM Michael Carey wrote: > > > Thursday, October 6, 2022 > > > > Laurie > > I am a CSI Educator from Kansas. Has any progress been made in setting > up > > Alice to run on a Chromebook (which my students have)? My IT does not > want > > to get into Linux. I am using Scratch as an introduction for Middle > School > > students to programming logic and I would like to step up to Alice to > > continue that concept. > > > > c=x > > MIchael A. Carey > > USD 287 West Franklin > > MIddle School / High School CSI > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 2:22 PM Melanie Lam wrote: > > > >> Hi Laurie, > >> > >> Alice 2 and Alice 3 should be able to run (with known bugs/caveats) on > >> Chromebooks in the Linux development environment. However, it's not > >> something that most school IT departments allow for many reasons. We are > >> working on providing instructions for installing and running on a > >> Chromebook. > >> > >> thanks, > >> Melanie > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:49 AM Laurie Cohen > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi. I haven't taught Alice in a few years, but I have been asked to > >>> introduce it (or something similar) to a 6th grade class for their > >>> electives day, then follow up monthly with them. I have many lessons > and > >>> activities for Alice 2.0. > >>> > >>> However, they now only have ChromeBooks. > >>> > >>> Can Alice be used? I know this is the "Alice Teachers Resource group", > >>> but is there another app or website you all would recommend? > >>> I introduced Blockly to them last year and they went thru much of what > >>> is available on the code.org site. > >>> > >>> I only have a few days figure this all out. > >>> > >>> Your help and suggestions are greatly appreciated. > >>> > >>> Laurie Cohen > >>> Educational Consultant > >>> Silver Spring, Maryland > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> alice-teachers mailing list > >>> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > >>> To change settings or unsubscribe visit: > >>> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> alice-teachers mailing list > >> alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > >> To change settings or unsubscribe visit: > >> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > > > > > > > > -- > > USD 288 Central Heights Schools > > 3521 Ellis Road > > Richmond, KS 66080 > > 785.869.3555 ext 1424 > > _______________________________________________ > > alice-teachers mailing list > > alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > > To change settings or unsubscribe visit: > > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/alice-teachers/attachments/20221014/5039dff2/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > alice-teachers mailing list > alice-teachers at lists.andrew.cmu.edu > To change settings, switch to digest, or unsubscribe visit: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/alice-teachers > > ------------------------------ > > End of alice-teachers Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 > ********************************************** > -- Mrs. Diana Cassidy Irvington High School Mathematics/Computer Science Teacher [image: Mailtrack] Sender notified by Mailtrack 10/15/22, 07:30:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From remarkability at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 04:16:44 2022 From: remarkability at gmail.com (Tom Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 09:16:44 +0100 Subject: alice-teacher A whole heap of stuff Message-ID: Hello, I have only been using Alice a few days and I'm very impressed indeed. Amazing work! Here comes the but... :-) I put this on Github as a bug. The "Run" window gets *lost* behind the main window if you click a code block... and you can't edit anything. The panel where the run area was could maybe have a button that says "Stop" that closes the Run window or the Run window could be modal. On a mac btw. This gets me all the time, and I know this will confuse students. Re distribution. I managed to copy my creation to the streaming media folder of the Player - which kinda works but is a bit, er, un-slick. It didn't list the files available (as per documentation) but I could open and run my exported project file. Alice needs a simple way to share creations. Surely Alice should be able to generate an .apk .app .exe. e.g like Processing does perhaps? I was surprised not to find "power pack macros"... by which I mean, a single library item that was WASD (and arrow key, and mouse drag/look controls" that I drag into my project - they expand, and I can then tweak this code. It seems a hell of a chore to do each control by hand... but it'd be nice to tweak them by hand (if need be). Another "power pack" would be "Random wanderer" where a character walks about... randomly. Do you get what I mean? Also I was surprised that I couldn't choose a theme like "Amazon" and have my project populated with trees and snakes and the right sort of trees etc... a bit like A-Frame has the environment add-on. My daughter created a model in Tinkercad, imported it into Blender and exported a .dae but it errors saying a texture is missing. I did manage to get Blender to make a texture ... but Alice doesn't seem to find it (I added it to the project too). Is there a way for this lack of texture (or simple models to be imported) to be ignored... Incidentally I scanned some sculptures in Polycam .gltf -> Blender -> .dae and they imported beautifully... Once again, brilliant work... Tom p.s The Email list site is hopeless.. I can't search it, it's barely browsable, can't you use almost anything else? It's not 1999 :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From melanielam at cmu.edu Thu Oct 27 17:33:27 2022 From: melanielam at cmu.edu (Melanie Lam) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 14:33:27 -0700 Subject: alice-teacher A whole heap of stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, Thank you for taking the time to give helpful feedback on your Alice experience. I've responded in-line: > I put this on Github as a bug. The "Run" window gets *lost* behind the > main window if you click a code block... and you can't edit anything. The > panel where the run area was could maybe have a button that says "Stop" > that closes the Run window or the Run window could be modal. On a mac btw. > This gets me all the time, and I know this will confuse students. > > Yes - this is an important one. We had tried a fix in the past but it had issues when an error message popped up. We'll definitely make it a priority. In the meantime, students can probably be reminded that a 'frozen window' probably means the run window is open in the background. > Re distribution. I managed to copy my creation to the streaming media > folder of the Player - which kinda works but is a bit, er, un-slick. It > didn't list the files available (as per documentation) but I could open and > run my exported project file. Alice needs a simple way to share creations. > Surely Alice should be able to generate an .apk .app .exe. e.g like > Processing does perhaps? > We would like to make this easier and 'slick-er' for sure... > > I was surprised not to find "power pack macros"... by which I mean, a > single library item that was WASD (and arrow key, and mouse drag/look > controls" that I drag into my project - they expand, and I can then tweak > this code. It seems a hell of a chore to do each control by hand... but > it'd be nice to tweak them by hand (if need be). Another "power pack" would > be "Random wanderer" where a character walks about... randomly. Do you get > what I mean? > The closest to what you're asking about is the ObjectMover in InitializeEventListeners > Add EventListener > Keyboard > ObjectMover Students could achieve the effect of a random wanderer using object markers/ hidden axes. > Also I was surprised that I couldn't choose a theme like "Amazon" and have > my project populated with trees and snakes and the right sort of trees > etc... a bit like A-Frame has the environment add-on. > When you first start a project, there is the option of a "Blank Slate" or "Starter" ... it is the second tab when you first create a project. Maybe easy to miss? > > My daughter created a model in Tinkercad, imported it into Blender and > exported a .dae but it errors saying a texture is missing. I did manage to > get Blender to make a texture ... but Alice doesn't seem to find it (I > added it to the project too). Is there a way for this lack of texture (or > simple models to be imported) to be ignored... > Yes, we would like to be able to ignore or provide a default, fallback texture that students can apply a paint color to in Alice. It may be necessary. We have done quite a bit of trial and error with Blender and we're trying to provide reliable steps to ensure textures are properly associated. If you come up with some, do share here! We have some documentation that is too dense to hand to a student but might help with troubleshooting. https://www.alice.org/resources/how-tos/importing-models-overview/ > > Incidentally I scanned some sculptures in Polycam .gltf -> Blender -> .dae > and they imported beautifully... > Great! Would you share a project showing some of the scanned sculptures? > > Once again, brilliant work... > > Tom > > p.s The Email list site is hopeless.. I can't search it, it's barely > browsable, can't you use almost anything else? It's not 1999 :-) > > We share your frustration. We also have a 2010 forum that may be slightly more searchable: https://www.alice.org/forums/ best, -- *Melanie Lam* | Director | The Alice Project *Entertainment Technology Center | Carnegie Mellon University* | 415 608 4033 | melanielam at cmu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From melanielam at cmu.edu Mon Oct 31 20:27:13 2022 From: melanielam at cmu.edu (Melanie Lam) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 17:27:13 -0700 Subject: alice-teacher Alice and Ventura Mac OS 13.0! Message-ID: Hi teachers, If you and your classes use Alice 2 or 3 on a Mac, please hold off on updating your OS to the latest version Ventura 13.1. It does not appear to play nice with the latest update. 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